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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: JoeW on August 18, 2016, 08:28:22 PM
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Some of you know this but, some don't. I have not been posting much Guzzi related stuff because I've been a little preoccupied with a different brand of bike. Last January, I started preparing a 1913 Indian twin for this year's Motorcycle Cannonball. It's taken much more time than I and the bike's owner and rider ever expected. This bike was purchased by my client's father in the 70s. He had it restored and it spent most of it's "second" life in the family room of whatever home he lived in. The restoration was mostly cosmetic so every time I inspected a part or component, it needed attention.
I've got over 150 hours in the build and we have about 70 hours machining new parts and about the same in engine machine work. Fortunately the bike owner is "in it to win it" and I've had a free hand in doing what needs to be done.
(http://thumb.ibb.co/iUj6Fa/IMG_20160213_102626455.jpg) (http://ibb.co/iUj6Fa)
The engine was sure pretty all nickel plated but, not so inside...
(http://thumb.ibb.co/cwzHMF/IMG_20160706_120659732.jpg) (http://ibb.co/cwzHMF)
The case was cracked right through the timing side main bushing
(http://thumb.ibb.co/fHOcMF/IMG_20160506_161154119.jpg) (http://ibb.co/fHOcMF)
Exhaust valve stems had been brazed and machined
The cylinders were over bored and shot, valve guides had been welded in place. And that was just the motor. Many of the chassis bearings were left loose because the races were so pitted.
After nearly 300 hours, we have a running and riding bike, updated engine internals including, Teflon coated pistons, stainless valves, nickel valve seats and bronze guide liners. Aluminum 21 inch rims with dual sport tires. I've adapted a Honda CL100 front brake and had the center carrier modified to accept seal bearings.
(http://thumb.ibb.co/gh46Fa/IMG_20160802_170524719.jpg) (http://ibb.co/gh46Fa)
Here's a picture from a couple weeks ago, before I added lights and later style seat.
If you're interested, check out http://www.motorcyclecannonball.com/
Our overnight and lunch spots are posted, come out and cheer these 90 riders on.
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Oh MY!!! It takes real dedication to participate in this particular endeavor !! The work getting done on this machine is fantastic, translated to expensive. I was at Barbers Vintage when the group of Cannonballers made a display visit. I have done some fun trips all around the world but it is just beyond me how people made it from coast to coast on these ancient motorcycles in those times. I read a story about a young woman that road from New York to California with her rather large mother in a sidecar to visit the world fair, the year I cant remember. They camped, had to scrounge for gas, some how fix the bike and travel roads that were really just goat trails. AMAZING!!
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Dofin , you bring up an interesting point . The roads in 1916 were awful in comparison to what these bikes negotiate today . Back then there was no chase vehicle carrying spares and tools , kind of changes things .
Dusty
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It is amazing to see how the old stuff did. The group stopped here in Alb a few years ago. Neat stuff.
Father's family moved to Phoenix from Kansas in 1927. Many dirt roads. Old Chevy with 4 kids (one an infant) and everything they owned. Took 8 days. Dad said they went through 10 tires. One picture has grandmother sitting with the kids eating lunch as granddad was fixing a tire.
And remember that Rolls Royce became a key mfg because their car went 1000miles without a breakdown.
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Several friends and I plan to be along the route between York, PA and Cumberland Airport or maybe just wait and watch at the airport.
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They will be passing within three miles of my house----- on my day off. You bet I will be watching
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I'll definitely go and see these guys and machines at York.
I did not see a route, just towns, are they free to take whatever roads or come through certain rods? I would love to see them flying on the road....
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They will be passing within three miles of my house----- on my day off. You bet I will be watching
Are we gonna set up an awning ?
Dusty
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I'll definitely go and these guys and machines at York.
I did not see a route, just towns, are they free to take whatever roads or come through certain rods? I would love to see them flying on the road....
They have a set route, but not even the riders know until the "last minute" what it'll be. I think there's a very good chance it'll be US30 from York to Bedford, then down US220 to Cumberland on Sunday the 11th.
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Look for the Guzzi Doctor trailer...
(http://thumb.ibb.co/h8OrWF/IMGP0739.jpg) (http://ibb.co/h8OrWF)
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We did a photo shoot and interview for Cycle World yesterday, I took this glamor shot
(http://thumb.ibb.co/mMmydv/glam_shot.jpg) (http://ibb.co/mMmydv)
Also, here's the starting procedure...
https://www.facebook.com/joe.walano/videos/10154405616563607/
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Awesome, I'll come and shake hands if I find the #118!!
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They will be passing within three miles of my house----- on my day off. You bet I will be watching
I think they'll be a doing a stop at the museum east of Wichita. You might recall one of the participants was building his bike there. Then it's day off at Dodge City.
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I think they'll be a doing a stop at the museum east of Wichita. You might recall one of the participants was building his bike there. Then it's day off at Dodge City.
Augusta KS .
Dusty
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I think they'll be a doing a stop at the museum east of Wichita. You might recall one of the participants was building his bike there. Then it's day off at Dodge City.
Gerald Timms was telling me they will be there (Augusta) for dinner at about 5:00, Friday the 16th. He is support for the rider that owns the museum.
I was thinking of riding up that afternoon.
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Looks great, Joe!
By buddy Steve and his two sons, Justin and Jared are all riding '16 Power Plus Indians
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Gerald Timms was telling me they will be there (Augusta) for dinner at about 5:00, Friday the 16th. He is support for the rider that owns the museum.
I was thinking of riding up that afternoon.
yeah I got it from Gerald too. He didn't mention dinner or when they'd be there. I think there is going to be ride from OKC up to Dodge City. Some were talking about spending the night in Wichita the night before which leads me to conclude their plans aren't thought through yet.
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I live on Rte. 66 just north of Kingman, Az. where a few years ago the vintage Cannonball run rode by and stopped for lunch at our local Harley Davidson dealership. I was recently informed by a fellow Guzzisti that this 2016 Cannonball Run was again happening on my turf very soon but with a different final destination than last time (Malibu, Ca.). :cool: Last time I strafed some of the contestants with my 250 MP3. :laugh:
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Looks great, Joe!
By buddy Steve and his two sons, Justin and Jared are all riding '16 Power Plus Indians
I've talked with Steve, I bought a manifold from him for the Linkert carb . I'll be seeing a lot of him over the next few weeks.
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This race officially starts on Sept. 10th. and they ride 200-300 miles most days. On 9/23 they have lunch @ my Kingman, Az. Harley Davidson store. That's when I'll see them. They finish the race @ Carlsbad, Calif. on 9/25 Sunday. 3304 miles total.
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This race officially starts on Sept. 10th. and they ride 200-300 miles most days. On 9/23 they have lunch @ my Kingman, Az. Harley Davidson store. That's when I'll see them. They finish the race @ Carlsbad, Calif. on 9/25 Sunday. 3304 miles total.
That's a LOT of hand-pumping oil into a total-loss system. Good luck to them!
Lannis
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More info on Friday in Kansas from the Cannonball website:
Friday, September 16 Stage 7 (235 miles)
6:30 AM CDT Breakfast available, University Plaza Hotel
7:45; 8:30; 9:00 AM CDT Official Start Times for Classes I, II, III; University Plaza Hotel
11:45 AM Hosted Lunch, Commercial Bank parking lot, Parsons, Kansas
4:10; 4:15; 4:15 PM Finish Times for Classes III, II, I; Twisted Oz Motorcycle Museum, Augusta, Kansas
4:30 PM Hosted Dinner, Twisted Oz Motorcycle Museum
5:30 PM Parc Fermé closes, Twisted Oz Motorcycle Museum
6:00 PM Approximate arrival time, Wichita Marriott, Wichita, Kansas
GliderJohn
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If the route across PA is going to be US30 the whole way to Bedford, then things could get "interesting" from Ft. Loudon westward. Some fairly steep grades around McConnellsburg. :bike-037:
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I've talked with Steve, I bought a manifold from him for the Linkert carb . I'll be seeing a lot of him over the next few weeks.
Haha, yeah you will!
Steve's a great guy (but don't tell him I said that) and he rebuilt the engine in my 1940 640 and helped me sort out the rest of the bike. I've learned a lot from him.
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That's a LOT of hand-pumping oil into a total-loss system. Good luck to them!
Lannis
One of the other challenges on these bikes are the wheels and tires. All those bikes up to 1916 (this year's cutoff) used clincher rims and none originally had front brakes.
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One of the other challenges on these bikes are the wheels and tires. All those bikes up to 1916 (this year's cutoff) used clincher rims and none originally had front brakes.
The "no front brake" thing I think I could handle, since I rode quite a few "bobbers" in my youth with spool front hubs and you just took it easy. I think, though, I'd be puckering all the time if I had to ride some of those downhills on US30 in PA worrying about if my clincher tire was going to roll off the rim ... !!
Lannis
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Yeah, "clincher" may actually refer to your butt cheeks while riding one of those!
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One of the other challenges on these bikes are the wheels and tires. All those bikes up to 1916 (this year's cutoff) used clincher rims and none originally had front brakes.
This is the only brake that was on the bike...
(http://thumb.ibb.co/igo5Qa/IMG_20160617_181614929.jpg) (http://ibb.co/igo5Qa)
I managed to fit a Honda CL100 front brake...
(http://thumb.ibb.co/cRzC5a/IMG_20160316_175241520.jpg) (http://ibb.co/cRzC5a)
Then I had Woody's lace 21 inch Excel rims so I can run a modern tire...
(http://thumb.ibb.co/nNREJv/IMG_20160608_135533218.jpg) (http://ibb.co/nNREJv)
The clincher rims and tires are staying home.
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Nice! Anything is better than just the original rear brake!
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What surprised me the last time I saw the early bikes do this Cannonball run on Rte. 66 was the size of the early spark plugs compared to their size today. :shocked: They were huge back then (assuming that's what they looked like then). Coming into Kingman the road is a downward slope and most the old bikes were doing 50 mph, so that stretch was relatively easy for them. Kingman is at about 3,400' in elevation.
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That CL100 front brake is a very small diameter single-leading-shoe brake, so, while quite an improvement is still going to require some advanced planning for stopping.
I can't imagine what a white knuckle experience it would be to ride with only that original back brake.
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What surprised me the last time I saw the early bikes do this Cannonball run on Rte. 66 was the size of the early spark plugs compared to their size today. :shocked: They were huge back then (assuming that's what they looked like then).
Probably 18 mm plugs - same as many old tractors and cars, my '64 Gravely L uses them.
(http://www.jegs.com/images/photos/400/417/417-388.jpg)
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Several of us are planning to meet at the Cumberland Airport tomorrow, check out the bikes as they roll in and are put on display and then go for lunch at a nearby pub. Everyone is welcome to join us. From our "ring leader" Joe:
FYI for anyone interested
Carol and I will be at the Cumberland Airport around 11:30 AM on Sunday. After the Cannonball bikes leave (around 1 or 1:15PM, we'll probably ride over to Patrick's Pub http://www.patspub.net/ for a late lunch. Join us if you want to. (Dutch treat!)
Joe
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Photos from yesterday. Huge turnout of locals and other spectators, so it was tough to get photos of the bikes. Did the best I could. When we left for lunch around 2 pm, only about 25 bikes had shown up. Quite a few never made it - when I went back after lunch, only the chase trucks were there with perhaps 8-10 bikes loaded up. Lucky 13 Racing (the Indian Joe W. rebuilt) seemed to be doing well.
Lots of interesting spectator bikes and cars, there was an autocross going on at the airport as well and some very cool cars were doing that as well.
Last photo is on my ride home the "long way". Taken from a church parking lot at the peak of Coopers Mt. on US50, just west of Capon Bridge, WV.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/98421140@N05/albums/72157670498236094
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See you at university plaza hotel in Springfield, mo where rt 66 was named. I'll be the dude on the CX100.
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Photos from yesterday. Huge turnout of locals and other spectators, so it was tough to get photos of the bikes. Did the best I could. When we left for lunch around 2 pm, only about 25 bikes had shown up. Quite a few never made it - when I went back after lunch, only the chase trucks were there with perhaps 8-10 bikes loaded up. Lucky 13 Racing (the Indian Joe W. rebuilt) seemed to be doing well.
Lots of interesting spectator bikes and cars, there was an autocross going on at the airport as well and some very cool cars were doing that as well.
Last photo is on my ride home the "long way". Taken from a church parking lot at the peak of Coopers Mt. on US50, just west of Capon Bridge, WV.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/98421140@N05/albums/72157670498236094
Thanks for sharing your pics. :bow: Looking forward for when they get here to Kingman, Az. I'll ride my MuZ 660 single to meet them after they go right by our house. :cool:
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Cycle World did an article on Fred and his Indian:
http://www.cycleworld.com/preparing-103-year-old-1913-model-e-indian-motorcycle-for-cannonball-run?cmpid=enews092216&spMailingID=26585992&spUserID=NzM4NjMxMTIzNzUS1&spJobID=883571433&spReportId=ODgzNTcxNDMzS0#page-11 (http://www.cycleworld.com/preparing-103-year-old-1913-model-e-indian-motorcycle-for-cannonball-run?cmpid=enews092216&spMailingID=26585992&spUserID=NzM4NjMxMTIzNzUS1&spJobID=883571433&spReportId=ODgzNTcxNDMzS0#page-11)
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Great article!
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Probably 18 mm plugs - same as many old tractors and cars, my '64 Gravely L uses them.
(http://www.jegs.com/images/photos/400/417/417-388.jpg)
we had huge plugs on hit-and-miss engines and other farm equiment that could be disassembled for service. You set the gap by raising or lowering the center electrode screw-wise.
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We caught the tail end of their lunch @ Kingman Harley dealer today. Saw a woman kick start her bike(#39) :thumb: and leave for the next ride today. Talked to a rider who had a 240cc single bike w/bicycle brake, tires. He said he could go 110 miles on a tank full. But then we saw him put his bike in the back of a PU so don't know if the bike is running or not. Saw 2 other bikes on trailers so apparently they aren't running any more. Weather perfect today. Windy yesterday. Before today we've had rain off & on since Tuesday so wonder what their weather has been like getting here.
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Joe W has been busy lately, essentially totally rebuilding the engine of the Lucky 13 Racing Indian.
Posted on Facebook.
Sept. 20th @ 4:28 pm. Important update. Yesterday's complete run gives us 8 of 9 completed stages and moved us up to 31st. However, the heat and miles have taken its toll. While installing a new clutch in Pueblo, as planned, the oil has bronze partials in it, not large enough to feel but, there none the less. With fresh oil in the case, valve clearances checked, I could not get the bike to fire. With some assistance from some local gear heads, I diagnosed a failed magneto. About 2am I got the bike to start but, there is a new noise, and not a good one coming from the motor
We've elected to scratch for stage 10, drive to Durango and tear the motor down to hopefully, with the help of our fellow gypsies, repair the bike and start tomorrow.
Cracked crankcase:
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Fortunately another team had one:
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Reassembly underway late into the night:
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Starting fresh the next morning:
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Back in the bike at 9:45 am:
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11 am:
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7:45 pm:
https://www.facebook.com/joe.walano/videos/10154506065108607/
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That is great! Thanks for posting!
I know the bikes are simple and all but that is a great feat in any event. And I love the spirit-"Yeah, I got a spare..crankcase".
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I stumbled into something I would have planned my day around, had I been aware of it. The Cannonball finished today in Carlsbad, my home town. For this 100th anniversary run, all the bikes had to be made in 1916 or earlier. They finished their 3,000 mile cross country journey today. Here are pics in a slideshow:
http://s1128.photobucket.com/user/timscudder/slideshow/Cannonball%202016%20Carlsbad
And here's some more info about the event:
http://www.motorcyclecannonball.com/theroute
I saw a bunch of them riding North on Pacific Coast Highway today. It was really cool to seem them on the move, instead of in museums or shows. Realizing that they were on the final leg of a cross-country adventure... even better.
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Scud , we have been discussing this for several weeks , where ya been :laugh:
Dusty
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No way, 100 yrs?
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(I caught them in the middle)
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Scud , we have been discussing this for several weeks , where ya been :laugh:
Dusty
I guess I missed all the discussion about it. Apparently, I was just waiting for it to drop in my lap. Which today, it did.
But now I've "been-there, got the T-shirt." Literally, I bought a T-shirt.
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I guess I missed all the discussion about it. Apparently, I was just waiting for it to drop in my lap. Which today, it did.
But now I've "been-there, got the T-shirt." Literally, I bought a T-shirt.
We really do appreciate the pics , if my stupid search window would reappear I would do a merger :rolleyes:
Dusty
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(I caught them in the middle)
Sadly, that Grey Exelsior in your post was crashed - see photo #5 in my slideshow. I didn't notice the Sears bike in Carlsbad.