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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: John A on September 04, 2016, 01:51:00 AM
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Got a speeding ticket on my sidecar. I deserved it , 79 in a 55. So this is a cautionary note . Usually I'm quicker to shut down when I spot them, this time for some reason I didn't . Young feller, out to write tickets this holiday weekend. Fines come right out of the "fun" budget.
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Got a speeding ticket on my sidecar. I deserved it , 79 in a 55. So this is a cautionary note . Usually I'm quicker to shut down when I spot them, this time for some reason I didn't . Young feller, out to write tickets this holiday weekend. Fines come right out of the "fun" budget.
You have a hack that'll do 79 mph? :shocked: Tell us more about it.
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It'll do a lot more than 79!
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I can testify to doing 75 and John pulling away. I cudda caught him but I got something in my eye. They got chunks in the air back there.
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John,
Request a jury trial with your peers being veterans. You can beat it or have it reduced to no seat belt. Yes, I had a speeding ticket on the Guzzi in weezy anna reduced to "no seat belt" $50 bucks cash.
Tex
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When I asked the cop if he could just give me a warning he said no but that I should plead not guilty. I should also mention that I also got ticketed for passing in a no passing zone. Just nicked the end by about 10 feet. I could see, there was no oncoming traffic and the lead guy in the cluster was (finally) speeding up. Bunch of no driving Minnesota folks got across the state line, funny to see them this far from the borderline . :rolleyes:Not Harley's , cars
Tex from now on I'll be getting my legal advise from you!
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Here's a police side view of your bike John ... with Hager City in the background.
Nice looking rig Mr. A.!
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Of course that motor has not been "stock" since it arrived at John's house. :wink:
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Well it "looks" stock. Motogogo, Welch is a neat little town. Have we met? My brotherinlaw owns the old bus garage at the corner. Thanks for the picture and the compliment!
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writing of speed traps:
I was merging onto the highway last night and a Highway patrol car was parked on the painted area between the entrance ramp and the highway. It was dark and hidden under the crest of the road from oncoming highway traffic and partially hidden from me when I tried to enter the highway.
Talk about dangerous. If you were broken down you'd push your car to the shoulder an turn on the parking lights.
I know they want to be hidden for their speedtraps but c'mon man, get off the damn road.
I wrote them an e-mail about it this morning.
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Very nice rig!
Not quite for sure how far away you are but.
There is a sidecar meet at the Motorcycle Museum in Anamosa Iowa next weekend.
I'd really like to see how you have the sidecar mounted. Looks a lot more sophisticated than the standard Velorex frame and mount.
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You are what the police call "low hanging fruit". The number one method of criminal law enforcement. It is not about the speed, the seatbelt or the burnt out light bulb. It is about probable cause to stop a person and check for outstanding warrants or other illegal activity. The long term affect is the person smoking a joint or having an open container ends up having the rest of their lives ruined. Making them outcast and unemployable because of new Local, State and Federal employment guidelines. Destroying whole communities. Part of the of some weird plan? The $10,000 Safety Grant causes Millions of dollars in economic damage and ruins many peoples lives. The End does not justify the Means. I know this is an odd perspective, but it is the truth. Follow the money, ask your family and friends about their story of a traffic stop ruining their life.
This Woman put it in better words than I did. The NHTSB is destroying our lives and communities.
http://www.law.virginia.edu/html/news/2015_sum/harmon.htm
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Well it "looks" stock. Motogogo, Welch is a neat little town. Have we met? My brotherinlaw owns the old bus garage at the corner. Thanks for the picture and the compliment!
Hi John yeah we've met at Wiederholts, we talked about looking for Morels.
Small world ... that intersection on 61 is where I almost could not get my v700 stopped for a red light ... riding home the day I bought it (1982?) Yeah almost NO BRAKES!
You bought a Rav4 from my friend as well.
PS Hi John, John, and John from John.
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79 in a 55 , hmm , 24 over is gonna get you a ticket , kinda hard to argue 24 over :laugh:
Dusty
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I am glad I didn't come across him at other points in the ride. Probly be typing from a cell. youthful exuberance gets me in trouble sometimes, like Orange Guzzi pointed out. the trooper got close to me, sniffing for something that wasn't there....
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I am glad I didn't come across him at other points in the ride. Probly be typing from a cell. youthful exuberance gets me in trouble sometimes, like Orange Guzzi pointed out
June 2014 , Southwestern AR , a group of us including the boss encountered an AR State Trooper. We passed him once when he had a car pulled over , the lights alerted us so we slowed down , he ignored us . About 45 minutes later , exiting a town , some of us that had been caught at a light were going probably 25 over to catch up . Yep , there was that same trooper coming towards us . 4 of us stopped , he waved 2 of us out of the way , even though we were exceeding the 55 MPH limit by at least 25 MPH . He checked the last 2 riders , and told the tag end rider that he understood he was just trying to catch up . No tickets , just a friendly reminder to slow down . That was a weird day , we must have seen 40 local po po , guess they were worried about all of the "bikers" invading their territory :laugh:
Dusty
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The long term affect is the person smoking a joint or having an open container ends up having the rest of their lives ruined.
What an interesting and lopsided perspective this is...how about the 1000's of folks whose lives have been ruined by the asshole who is drinking and causes an accident, kills whole families and creates mayhem in other people's lives just so he/she can enjoy an open container. Seems that folks who are doing things that cause impairment to their driving skills ought to be prevented from ruining other people's lives, consider yourself lucky if you have not been caught and not yet caused a serious accident while you are "enjoying" your open container.
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Alright fellas , lately every discussion involving alcohol has deteriorated rapidly into a morass of bad feelings . Don't drink , smoke pot , snort coke , take a handful of happy pills , etc , and then operate a motor vehicle . Not smart , will lead to bad things . I seriously doubt anyone here advocates for participating in these activities . Thanks
Dusty
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What an interesting and lopsided perspective this is...how about the 1000's of folks whose lives have been ruined by the asshole who is drinking and causes an accident, kills whole families and creates mayhem in other people's lives just so he/she can enjoy an open container. Seems that folks who are doing things that cause impairment to their driving skills ought to be prevented from ruining other people's lives, consider yourself lucky if you have not been caught and not yet caused a serious accident while you are "enjoying" your open container.
Agreed 100%
"I got a snootful, drove around inebriated, and some cop ruined my life." Or "I was doing 90 in a school zone and some chisckensh*t cop used it as an excuse for 'revenue enhancement'". Generically "It's not my fault for breaking the rules, it's the cop's fault for noticing." That's the anthem of a world-class loser. The cop didn't make you speed/text/drink/drive drunk. The only sympathy you get is from the whining drunk on the barstool next to you. The real world is HAPPY YOUR LIFE IS 'RUINED'!!!! My message to folks that blame it on the cop is to grow up an own it -- it's yours.
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I actually agree and was out in the country when the alleged offense took place. The funny thing is I support stricter traffic enforcement , just not on me. I'll pay the fine and learn from it :grin:
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It looks like you have cut down the windshield height on the sidecar. Did that reduce the air buffeting from that side on the driver? That has been my biggest objection to the Texas Ranger I mounted. Thought about removing the windshield from it completely. Nice looking rig!
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My big objection to John's rig is that when you go for the clutch, if you're not thinking, you'll do a really sharp right turn. :shocked: He's got buttons and levers all over that thing.
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It looks like you have cut down the windshield height on the sidecar. Did that reduce the air buffeting from that side on the driver? That has been my biggest objection to the Texas Ranger I mounted. Thought about removing the windshield from it completely. Nice looking rig!
I made the windshield by cutting it out of I don't remember what kind of plastic, might have been the top part of a broken windshield . I found a barrel with the radius I wanted and put a towel on it. I heated it with an oxy acetylene rosebud to form it. One of the best improvements I have made.
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Agreed 100%
"I got a snootful, drove around inebriated, and some cop ruined my life." Or "I was doing 90 in a school zone and some chisckensh*t cop used it as an excuse for 'revenue enhancement'". Generically "It's not my fault for breaking the rules, it's the cop's fault for noticing." That's the anthem of a world-class loser. The cop didn't make you speed/text/drink/drive drunk. The only sympathy you get is from the whining drunk on the barstool next to you. The real world is HAPPY YOUR LIFE IS 'RUINED'!!!! My message to folks that blame it on the cop is to grow up an own it -- it's yours.
As long as the Federal Government collects in excess of $41 billion in taxes, there will be death and injuries from alcohol.
It is the Scarlet Letter affect that is destroying lives. Being labeled a loser for a lifetime is not good for anyone in the long run. It make the problems in a community worse, never better in the long run. A little innocent grant cost millions to the community. The invisible affect.
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You are what the police call "low hanging fruit". The number one method of criminal law enforcement. It is not about the speed, the seatbelt or the burnt out light bulb. It is about probable cause to stop a person and check for outstanding warrants or other illegal activity. The long term affect is the person smoking a joint or having an open container ends up having the rest of their lives ruined. Making them outcast and unemployable because of new Local, State and Federal employment guidelines. Destroying whole communities. Part of the of some weird plan? The $10,000 Safety Grant causes Millions of dollars in economic damage and ruins many peoples lives. The End does not justify the Means. I know this is an odd perspective, but it is the truth. Follow the money, ask your family and friends about their story of a traffic stop ruining their life.
This Woman put it in better words than I did. The NHTSB is destroying our lives and communities.
http://www.law.virginia.edu/html/news/2015_sum/harmon.htm
Please more info on your conclusion about "new Local, State and Federal employment guidelines." as an effect from a violation of smoking pot or open container laws?
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Hell 79 MPH ain't worth bragging about. When I moved from Ill Noise to Washington, I was on I-90 passing a string of semis. I was well over 100 MPH when I cleared the fourth one.
Then I had an attack of common sense and dropped back to about 80. I was fully loaded with cargo and upon reaching Washington I rolled onto a scale and loaded the rig weighed 1350 pounds with out me on the scale. It was an 1100cc Yamaha and my own design of home made sidecar. Later that day I weighed it empty and it weighed 900 lb. It was stable as a rock at speed on I-90 and going through 2 lane mountain roads. Before I got to Port Townsend I stopped at the Deep Forest campout for the weekend. That would have been in 2005, my first Deep Forest. It became my favorite campout until I got blasted apart by the deer in 2009.
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As long as the Federal Government collects in excess of $41 billion in taxes, As long as people drive under the influence there will be death and injuries from alcohol.
It is the Scarlet Letter affect impaired driver that is destroying lives.
Being labeled a loser for a lifetime is not good for anyone in the long run. It make the problems in a community worse, never better in the long run. This is exactly what the loser needs to come to terms with.
A little innocent grant run down the sidewalk with your chevy cost millions to the community lives. The invisible affect reason we like it when drunks go to jail -- it's better when just the loser loses.
I think your spellchecker wasn't working -- fixed it for you.
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I actually agree and was out in the country when the alleged offense took place. The funny thing is I support stricter traffic enforcement , just not on me. I'll pay the fine and learn from it :grin:
Good try on the warning but you're not going to get away with 79 in a 55 even if you weren't weaving through traffic (and I recognize that you're not trying to). 69 in a 55 solo, MAYBE, but not 79.
Sounds like to me, though, that the cop is giving you a nudge and a wink. "Just a warning", no, can't do that, but if you go to court, respond to the judge in a way that does NOT disagree with the cop's record of events, let the judge see that you have a good record with no recent violations, then chances are even you'll get a "dismissed" with no points on your record.
Worth a try anyway. At the very least, you'll get it reduced to something below Reckless Driving, which is what 20 over normally tags you with ....
Lannis
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That's the way I read it too Lannis. I don't have the style to carry it off like Tex so I'm stuck with the mercy of the court
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I think your spellchecker wasn't working -- fixed it for you.
Yeah, I know, I buried my mother in law after a drunk driver killed her. I have buried friends from drunk drivers. I killed a drunk when he ran out in front of me.
Yet the $41 billion paid in taxes each year keep alcohol legal. Bittersweet laws.
A good lawyer is all that was required to get away with murder.
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Guess it gets boring being a traffic cop...
car
car
truck
car
bike
car
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after a while..
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you get bored
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You'd want to collect the rare ones like you were playing Pokomon Go
write your list. share your list with your work mates put a wager on it $20
Ferarri
Lambo
porsche
Limo
Humvee
18 wheeler
UPS van
side car outfit
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if you do go to court and the charging officer is not there it will be dismissed.(in MN). so you have a chance he's on duty somewhere and can't make the ct date.. happened to me.. I had to wait all afternoon while the other defendants went thru but the cop never showed and at the end of court hours the judge dismissed the speeding ticket..
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if you do go to court and the charging officer is not there it will be dismissed.(in MN). so you have a chance he's on duty somewhere and can't make the ct date.. happened to me.. I had to wait all afternoon while the other defendants went thru but the cop never showed and at the end of court hours the judge dismissed the speeding ticket..
That's true in Kailf. too, maybe other states. If I think a ticket I get is bogus and I can fight it pleading not guilty I do. Gotten out of a lot of tickets that way. But now am a less aggressive rider/driver so less probable I'll get pulled over. :smiley:
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Yeah, I know, I buried my mother in law after a drunk driver killed her. I have buried friends from drunk drivers. I killed a drunk when he ran out in front of me.
Yet the $41 billion paid in taxes each year keep alcohol legal. Bittersweet laws.
A good lawyer is all that was required to get away with murder.
I don't see how the alcohol is the problem, though. The problem is the 0.08% of the people who feel the entitlement, lack the personal responsibility, or lack the judgement that puts them in control of a deadly device while impaired. Removing legal alcohol doesn't affect any of that -- we've tried.
The only ways we as individuals can help fix the problem is to 1) not be part of it, and 2) don't cut the offenders any slack. Don't enable, encourage, condone, or commiserate with them. Don't let them use "it's not my drinking it's the rules about my drinking" or "I have the RIGHT to drink and drive, or "I only drink and drive responsibly", or "It's the cop's fault -- he's just looking for revenue" or [insert lame excuse here]. It's the whiner's fault, 100%, and he deserves it. The sooner society as a whole gets the message that we think they had it coming and we're not going to help them rationalize it, and the sooner the system reflects societal disapproval, the sooner the problem really will get solved.
RANT OFF, $0.02.
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That's the way I read it too Lannis. I don't have the style to carry it off like Tex so I'm stuck with the mercy of the court
If it's allowed, you might be able to defer the ticket. You pay the cost of the fine but you're put on administrative/judicial probation for a period of time. The ticket is tossed if no other moving violations are issued to you. Check the judiciary web page for the state where you got the ticket. You still have to make a court appearance. Some jurisdictions will allow you to do it by phone.
I've done it for a ticket given to me in Grant County, WA. Court appearance by phone from Hawaii. It does take time and persistence. PM me if you're interested.
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Install Waze.
Saved about 4 tickets today...
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I don't see how the alcohol is the problem, though. The problem is the 0.08% of the people who feel the entitlement, lack the personal responsibility, or lack the judgement that puts them in control of a deadly device while impaired. Removing legal alcohol doesn't affect any of that -- we've tried.
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maybe then we can talk about why it is OK to go 79 in a 55 with a wink and a nod from the gang (highly skilled though they are) :police:
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There's no line to be drawn between my 0.08 comment and these two speeding tickets being discussed. No impairment was involved, and the recipients aren't trying to make it anyone's fault but their own. The comment was in response to someone saying that removing the alcohol tax (or reinstitution prohibition -- I'm not real sure which) would solve the problem of impaired driving. I was pointing out that it's not substance problem, it's a people problem.
But to answer why we can haze the OP about the ticket -- it's because he's owning the ticket, that's why. He's not blaming the system/law enforcement/taxes/revenue/corruption for his behavior. The responses show that we prefer someone who accepts the consequences of his actions. Nobody likes a whiner who blames everyone but himself for what he does.
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Sure there is. It is irresponsible behavior in a space that is shared with others. It's dangerous, regardless of skill level. You are right, you didn't draw the line, but I did. And he is doing the right thing by accepting responsibility and saying he learned from the experience.
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I agree that both involve irresponsible behavior, but the context was being busted for impairment and comparing reactions after getting caught, and the thought that removing alcohol from society would somehow raise the bar on common sense. There's just not a straight line between that and these speeding tickets.
I think the topics this weekend were posted as cautionary tales -- "I did some speeding over the second-most heavily enforced driving weekend of the year and got caught -- don't be me." We post the same stories about bonehead moves in other areas -- mechanics, wrong turn, not dressed for the weather, etc., most with the moral of "Don't do that, or suffer the consequences." If we can take that away with us here and note the good grace of the recipients, then we benefit from their experience, and that's a good thing.
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Wait guys, Chuck got a ticket too and his was way worse than mine, they took pictures and everything !
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All I can say is you should be able to plead not guilty and ask to see the assistant DA...Many times they will reduce the charges right there on the spot if you have a clean record ....You have nothing to lose but a little time....
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maybe then we can talk about why it is OK to go 79 in a 55 with a wink and a nod from the gang (highly skilled though they are) :police:
The cop, I suspect, knows as well as we do that speed alone is not a danger. We have to have speed limits or people would be running 130 if their car would do it, but the cop and the judge certainly have discretion (speeding in traffic? Speed differential? Weaving around? etc) to decide if one properly dressed and carefully riding guy was a danger in the specific situation in which he was caught. Different from DUI - only a drunk would say that he's as safe a driver drunk as anybody else is sober .....
Lannis
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Wait guys, Chuck got a ticket too and his was way worse than mine, they took pictures and everything !
Heh heh, that's really what I was referring to. I crossed threads. It is the radon! Or the gin! Or maybe it is Colorado stuff rather than Oregon or Rodekyll Red (which I use only when walking, I swear Mr. D.A.!).
Although Lannis really hits on the difference. That when your tire blows at 80 mph the careful skilled guy is more likely to be able to control it from a really bad result.
Must be some karmic reason these threads started at the sale time. Telling us all to be safe and responsible. We are in control of that. I don't think it is cute to not take advantage of that.
if I was a believer, I would thank god every night for all the times I drove impaired or blotto when I was a kid and 1) made it to this age, and b) never caused vehicular harm. Dumb luck.
I hardly even speed any more. I am just happy to be riding, couldn't afford a big ticket, and even ride a small block. Simpler pleasures.
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John A, PM sent.
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Hell 79 MPH ain't worth bragging about.
I'd be embarrassed about my tuneup! We'll cut John A some slack, once I was following him running 13-1 slugs with avation gas ...... The stuff smells sweet when it burns.
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I just looked at the ticket, it was 84. I'm going to plead not guilty, not because I wasn't guilty, when I was passing the string of cars and saw him , coiled in the underbrush , I decided to abort the pass. The cars were too close together to get back in line and I wasn't going to dynamite the brakes in the middle of the oncoming lane so I fire walled it and the indecision caused me to not complete the pass in the allowed space. There was no oncoming traffic and as soon as I cleared the cars I shut down and pulled over to wait for the trooper.
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That was kind of the scenario with my speeding ticket in Yakima County, WA. A hay truck (losing hay -- ouch!) was playing with me -- doing 25 and 30, drifting over the centerline when I tried to pass or speeding up as I started my passing maneuver, and did it for many miles with the driver and passenger both clearly watching me in their side mirrors. I finally got around him, and he was accelerating to keep me from getting back into the lane. So I goosed it and flew by the waiting sheriff. I could see the sheriff parked up ahead, but I was more interested in completing the maneuver before getting plastered by oncoming traffic. The truck was just as determined to keep me in the oncoming lane. When I explained the situation to the deputy, he said "Yeah, those boys like to have fun", and printed the ticket on the portable inkjet printer in his back seat.
I pled guilty with an explanation and did the deferral option, which was available to me on account of I had nothing at all on my driving record. I wrote a letter (posted it here, iirc), and the judge complimented my writing style, fined me, added an 'administrative fee' for the remote adjudication (I did it from Alaska), and told me that if I could stay out of trouble in the state of Washington for the next year the incident would 'go away'.
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I just looked at the ticket, it was 84. I'm going to plead not guilty, not because I wasn't guilty, when I was passing the string of cars and saw him , coiled in the underbrush , I decided to abort the pass. The cars were too close together to get back in line and I wasn't going to dynamite the brakes in the middle of the oncoming lane so I fire walled it and the indecision caused me to not complete the pass in the allowed space. There was no oncoming traffic and as soon as I cleared the cars I shut down and pulled over to wait for the trooper.
Guilty! you cannot pass unless it's safe to do it...You were speeding to pass a line of cars so it wasn't a safe pass....Make an appointment to see the DA....
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A hay truck (losing hay -- ouch!) was playing with me -- doing 25 and 30, drifting over the centerline when I tried to pass or speeding up as I started my passing maneuver, and did it for many miles with the driver and passenger both clearly watching me in their side mirrors. I finally got around him, and he was accelerating to keep me from getting back into the lane. ........ The truck was just as determined to keep me in the oncoming lane. When I explained the situation to the deputy, he said "Yeah, those boys like to have fun", and printed the ticket on the portable inkjet printer in his back seat......
I hate when that happens, but it does happen. Inbred hillbillies threatening you with their 10,000 pound kinetic energy weapon, and a corrupt cop and judge condoning it, probably laughing about it up their sleeves .... Maybe they'll get a bad batch of oxycodone and all be gone, but that's probably too much to hope for ....
Lannis
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I have so many stories about being stopped.
My oldest brother was a local cop.
I'd get stopped & the LEO would look at my name & say "You got a brother on the force"?
I'd say: "No" & they would write me a ticket.
Then I'd say "Hey do you know XXXX that's my brother say hey to him for me, OK?".
Sometimes they would look at me and ask "Why didn't you say so"?
I'd say "That way I don't owe anybody".
I hear that in Georgia 20 over is considered a super speeder & they can impound the vehicle & arrest the violator.
My last stop in Florida was for 25 over by a city cop but he wrote for me 9 over. Attitude can sometimes help.
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Here in Kansas I have been given great leiency on the bikes by both state troopers and deputies. I have met them numerous times at 10-20 over and have either been ignored or just got the slow down wave or the light blip. But these meetings have almost always occurred in very open, rural areas with generally not another vehicle in sight and in good weather.
GliderJohn
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I hate when that happens, but it does happen. Inbred hillbillies threatening you with their 10,000 pound kinetic energy weapon, and a corrupt cop and judge condoning it, probably laughing about it up their sleeves .... Maybe they'll get a bad batch of oxycodone and all be gone, but that's probably too much to hope for ....
Lannis
Don't go putting THOSE kinds of words in my mouth.
I by NO stretch of imagination implied that the deputy or the judge was corrupt. That's the kind of middle-school-detention quality argument that I'm complaining about -- distract the jury from the fact that I was speeding by blaming it on the corrupt hillbillies running the county I'm riding through. Grow up.
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Don't go putting THOSE kinds of words in my mouth.
I by NO stretch of imagination implied that the deputy or the judge was corrupt. That's the kind of middle-school-detention quality argument that I'm complaining about -- distract the jury from the fact that I was speeding by blaming it on the corrupt hillbillies running the county I'm riding through. Grow up.
No, wasn't trying to put words into your mouth.
The fact was (per your posting) that a couple of guys were trying to use a truck to force you into the oncoming traffic lane, presumably with the intention of killing you if they could; or if not, being so woefully ignorant or impaired that they didn't think about the consequences of their actions.
The cop, when informed, said "Oh, that's just some ol' boys playing around" or something to that effect. And the judge didn't care one way or the other.
That's how a lot of people die. I know that sort; grew up around many of them, this place I've chosen to live isn't perfect .... You don't have to react to them, but that's how I react; I recognize the danger to us, the riders, in their attitudes. Been living with it, yet surviving it, all my riding life.
Lannis
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In Kalif, if you plead 'guilty w/ explanation', no matter what you say then is going to change your guilty charge/cost. You just hung yourself. Only way to get a reduction in fine or off the hook is to plead 'not guilty'.
However, some counties, in Kalif., after you plead 'not guilty' will plea bargain with you on what the $ penalty will be if you change your mind while still in the courtroom.
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No contest out here is the same as guilty. State statutes say to treat as guilty.
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No, wasn't trying to put words into your mouth.
The fact was (per your posting) that a couple of guys were trying to use a truck to force you into the oncoming traffic lane, presumably with the intention of killing you if they could; or if not, being so woefully ignorant or impaired that they didn't think about the consequences of their actions.
The cop, when informed, said "Oh, that's just some ol' boys playing around" or something to that effect. And the judge didn't care one way or the other.
That's how a lot of people die. I know that sort; grew up around many of them, this place I've chosen to live isn't perfect .... You don't have to react to them, but that's how I react; I recognize the danger to us, the riders, in their attitudes. Been living with it, yet surviving it, all my riding life.
Lannis
Nothing I said implied your twisted conclusion. This is pure, classic lannisvision, and it does not spring from my comments.
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Nothing I said implied your twisted conclusion. This is pure, classic lannisvision, and it does not spring from my comments.
All right, all right, you can stop shaking your cane at me ... I'll get out of your yard .....
Lannis
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Never got pulled over while on the Hayabusa, only warning lights as they passed by the other way. :thumb:
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In Kalif, if you plead 'guilty w/ explanation', no matter what you say then is going to change your guilty charge/cost. You just hung yourself. Only way to get a reduction in fine or off the hook is to plead 'not guilty'.
However, some counties, in Kalif., after you plead 'not guilty' will plea bargain with you on what the $ penalty will be if you change your mind while still in the courtroom.
Guilty with an explanation, yep you just tied the judges hands. There isn't a No Contest plea for an infraction.
Believe me, the Judge hearing traffic, doesn't want to be hearing traffic. He wants to be on the O.J. case, or some good criminal or civil case, not traffic.
It is boring for them, most people don't prepare a defense, research the section in relation to the violation or the elements of the violation.
Once in a while someone does, and you can see the Judge actually sit up a little, " Hey now, this person has done some homework..."
You can flame me all you want, but I have had many conversations with various Judges over the years, and Guilty, Guilty, Guilty gets old.
Remember, innocent until proven guilty......it still works, but you gotta do your homework.
....but if you got caught with your hand in the cookie jar, man up and take it....
kjf
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:1: on the judge being bored.