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Title: Uh, vintage flat tracker w/new motors?, CL, new haven
Post by: chuck peterson on October 01, 2016, 06:33:33 AM
https://newhaven.craigslist.org/mcy/5807198640.html

Or those actual flat trackers or fake new ones? I can't see farking a real bike with a new motor so you can ruin the value...got to be new fakes, right?
Title: Re: Uh, vintage flat tracker w/new motors?, CL, new haven
Post by: v65tt on October 01, 2016, 06:52:05 AM
"riden only a few times, brand new, Professionally built selling as replicas"
Title: Re: Uh, vintage flat tracker w/new motors?, CL, new haven
Post by: CalVin2007 on October 01, 2016, 07:15:30 AM
https://newhaven.craigslist.org/mcy/5807198640.html

Or those actual flat trackers or fake new ones? I can't see farking a real bike with a new motor so you can ruin the value...got to be new fakes, right?

   Right.

  Terry
Title: Re: Uh, vintage flat tracker w/new motors?, CL, new haven
Post by: Aaron D. on October 01, 2016, 07:39:24 AM
Motorized bicycles made to look vintage-y. Not Indians or Harleys.
Title: Re: Uh, vintage flat tracker w/new motors?, CL, new haven
Post by: jas67 on October 01, 2016, 09:52:31 AM
The crappy little Chinese engines with the fake long stroke crank case under them look, well, very fake.   If you really wanted a nice replica, make the engine look more real, or better yet, produce a replica of the actual engines used on that era.
Title: Re: Uh, vintage flat tracker w/new motors?, CL, new haven
Post by: Triple Jim on October 01, 2016, 10:01:57 AM
What's that thing hanging down from the top tube, with "Indian" printed on it?
Title: Re: Uh, vintage flat tracker w/new motors?, CL, new haven
Post by: oldbike54 on October 01, 2016, 10:14:58 AM
 What in hell does one do with a fake antique motorbike that can't be made street legal , has a junk motor , and no suspension ? Oh yeah , look at it and think , "Wow , I coulda had a V9"  :laugh:

 Dusty
Title: Re: Uh, vintage flat tracker w/new motors?, CL, new haven
Post by: Rotten Ralph on October 01, 2016, 10:20:28 AM
Exactly my thoughts - can't race it, not street legal, not collectable. What the heck is it good for? :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Uh, vintage flat tracker w/new motors?, CL, new haven
Post by: Triple Jim on October 01, 2016, 10:36:15 AM
It's possible that it could legally be a moped in many (all?) states.
Title: Re: Uh, vintage flat tracker w/new motors?, CL, new haven
Post by: oldbike54 on October 01, 2016, 10:40:58 AM
It's possible that it could legally be a moped in many (all?) states.


 Not in Oklahoma .

 Dusty
Title: Re: Uh, vintage flat tracker w/new motors?, CL, new haven
Post by: Shorty on October 01, 2016, 10:41:04 AM
What in hell does one do with a fake antique motorbike that can't be made street legal , has a junk motor , and no suspension ? Oh yeah , look at it and think , "Wow , I coulda had a V9"  :laugh:

 Dusty

Try to get around after too many DUIs?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Uh, vintage flat tracker w/new motors?, CL, new haven
Post by: oldbike54 on October 01, 2016, 10:44:46 AM
Try to get around after too many DUIs?  :laugh:

 Now there is an image , a drunk Okie riding a fake antique motorbike . Probably more likely pushing either one of these  :laugh:

 Dusty
Title: Re: Uh, vintage flat tracker w/new motors?, CL, new haven
Post by: rocker59 on October 01, 2016, 10:52:07 AM

 Not in Oklahoma .

 Dusty

But all things are possible in The Land of Opportunity...   :bike-037:
Title: Re: Uh, vintage flat tracker w/new motors?, CL, new haven
Post by: rocker59 on October 01, 2016, 10:53:17 AM
What in hell does one do with a fake antique motorbike that can't be made street legal , has a junk motor , and no suspension ? Oh yeah , look at it and think , "Wow , I coulda had a V9"  :laugh:

 Dusty

Get a "home built" title in Arkansas and make it a commuter or bar-hopper.   :bike-037:
Title: Re: Uh, vintage flat tracker w/new motors?, CL, new haven
Post by: Triple Jim on October 01, 2016, 11:18:10 AM

 Not in Oklahoma .

Huh.  Here's the NC definition.  If the engine is 50cc or less, and you make sure it won't go over 30, it would be a moped.

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Moped Defintion

vehicle with two or three wheels with a motor of no more than 50 cubic centimeters of piston displacement and no external shifting device. Legally, a moped's top speed cannot exceed 30 mph on a level surface. Although some mopeds on the market have top speeds higher than the 30 mph limit, they are illegal for use in North Carolina. If a moped does not fit the above requirements, it must be registered as a motorcycle under North Carolina law.
Title: Re: Uh, vintage flat tracker w/new motors?, CL, new haven
Post by: rocker59 on October 01, 2016, 11:53:39 AM
Yeah.  Same here.  If it has a 49cc engine, it's a mo-ped and pretty much nothing is required by the State.  Some cities (college towns) here require them to be insured.
Title: Re: Uh, vintage flat tracker w/new motors?, CL, new haven
Post by: ScepticalScotty on October 01, 2016, 03:55:14 PM
Theres a sucker born every minute!!!
Title: Re: Uh, vintage flat tracker w/new motors?, CL, new haven
Post by: Tom on October 01, 2016, 05:16:21 PM
It's listed as having an automatic transmission?  Trademark infringement?  Would be interesting with what type of paperwork?  If considered moped different set of rules for them.  HI same as other states for size of engine and top speed.  There's also the requirement of being a license driver. 

Many people assume that you can ride a moped with no driver's license.  Not true.  Check your state's laws.  A moped doesn't require a scooter endorsement on your license to operate one but still requires that the operator have a driver's license.  Having a scooter endorsement doesn't mean that you can legally operate a motorcycle. 

Some of the moped regs. have changed here too.  The state saw that a lot of mopeds were being sold and another revenue stream to tap.  They changed it where mopeds need inspections, scooter registration and motorcycle plates.  No insurance requirements but scooter style registrations/titles.  Prior to that mopeds where in the bicycle category.  You had a registration sticker and a moped safety check.  Might be the same in your state. 
Title: Re: Uh, vintage flat tracker w/new motors?, CL, new haven
Post by: Triple Jim on October 01, 2016, 08:09:59 PM
Some of the moped regs. have changed here too.  The state saw that a lot of mopeds were being sold and another revenue stream to tap.  They changed it where mopeds need inspections, scooter registration and motorcycle plates.  No insurance requirements but scooter style registrations/titles.  Prior to that mopeds where in the bicycle category.  You had a registration sticker and a moped safety check.  Might be the same in your state.

I did some more reading after your post.  The moped laws in NC changed a lot this summer.  Now a moped has to be registered, tagged, and insured, and the driver has to be at least 16 and must wear a helmet, but still does not have to have a valid NC driver's license.

They're popular around here among those who have lost their licenses for driving under the influence, so it makes sense to allow those people to drive a moped without a license, so they can get to work.  At least it makes sense from that standpoint.
Title: Re: Uh, vintage flat tracker w/new motors?, CL, new haven
Post by: Tom on October 01, 2016, 09:11:36 PM
Looks like they can't be used in your state as a moped.  Does a moped in your state have a title like a motorcycle?
Title: Re: Uh, vintage flat tracker w/new motors?, CL, new haven
Post by: Triple Jim on October 01, 2016, 09:43:04 PM
No, just a registration.  Things really changed this summer, and no one  notified me.   :laugh:
Title: Re: Uh, vintage flat tracker w/new motors?, CL, new haven
Post by: Tom on October 01, 2016, 09:49:16 PM
Funny thing about laws being changed and enacted.  The public is suppose to obey them even if they don't know it.  :tongue:
Title: Re: Uh, vintage flat tracker w/new motors?, CL, new haven
Post by: Shorty on October 01, 2016, 10:16:29 PM
Now there is an image , a drunk Okie riding a fake antique motorbike . Probably more likely pushing either one of these  :laugh:

 Dusty

Can't remember how many times I kick (and kicked and kicked) started my old Triumphs til I was sober.  Probably saved my life..... :boozing: Imagine the lives these POSs could save.  :wink:
Title: Re: Uh, vintage flat tracker w/new motors?, CL, new haven
Post by: Tom on October 01, 2016, 10:23:08 PM
Same here with my HD Recon.  Kick start, suicide clutch, tank shift. 
Title: Re: Uh, vintage flat tracker w/new motors?, CL, new haven
Post by: Triple Jim on October 01, 2016, 10:45:37 PM
I thought the "suicide" came from the shifter requiring the driver to take his hand off the bar to shift.
Title: Re: Uh, vintage flat tracker w/new motors?, CL, new haven
Post by: rocker59 on October 01, 2016, 10:56:12 PM
I thought the "suicide" came from the shifter requiring the driver to take his hand off the bar to shift.

No, that's simply "hand-shift".

"Suicide" refers to a spring-loaded foot clutch that means you cannot put your left foot down at a stop, with the bike in gear.

Title: Re: Uh, vintage flat tracker w/new motors?, CL, new haven
Post by: Tom on October 01, 2016, 11:11:11 PM
Y'ep.  Real fun in rush hour traffic.  Gotta have a hand brake or you'll have fun on hills. :grin:
Title: Re: Uh, vintage flat tracker w/new motors?, CL, new haven
Post by: rocker59 on October 01, 2016, 11:20:53 PM
Yeah.  The real badass chopper d00ds, back in the day, had both a suicide clutch and no front brake.

Quite a dance to stop and start on a hill with that setup!
Title: Re: Uh, vintage flat tracker w/new motors?, CL, new haven
Post by: Ncdan on October 02, 2016, 09:38:33 PM
 Sorry, but looks like just more Chinese junk to me:(
Title: Re: Uh, vintage flat tracker w/new motors?, CL, new haven
Post by: Triple Jim on October 02, 2016, 09:52:49 PM
Huh, after you posted that, Mike, I read a little about it.  It seems that long ago, I fell for the misnomer usage of the term.  Thanks to you and Tom for the education.  :)

Now if we can get folks to stop using "fitment" to mean "fit".    :laugh:
Title: Re: Uh, vintage flat tracker w/new motors?, CL, new haven
Post by: Tom on October 03, 2016, 05:09:54 PM
Sorry, but looks like just more Chinese junk to me:(

Okayyyy......going racial and I don't mean it in a nice way.
Title: Re: Uh, vintage flat tracker w/new motors?, CL, new haven
Post by: oldbike54 on October 03, 2016, 05:19:04 PM
Okayyyy......going racial and I don't mean it in a nice way.

 As opposed to cheap American junk . Tom old man , I agree , although in this instance it seems maybe it wasn't meant as a racial slur , or let's at least hope not .

 Dusty
Title: Re: Uh, vintage flat tracker w/new motors?, CL, new haven
Post by: Tom on October 03, 2016, 06:31:30 PM
That is unless he meant the South China seas one.  :grin:  Which isn't what he meant.   :tongue:  Using race as an adjective is racial especially if it has a negative tone.  Is there any hint of where the parts are from? frame?  Unfortunately, a big assumption is that everyone that post on this forum is white.  Which is not the case. 
Title: Re: Uh, vintage flat tracker w/new motors?, CL, new haven
Post by: oldbike54 on October 03, 2016, 06:46:25 PM
That is unless he meant the South China seas one.  :grin:  Which isn't what he meant.   :tongue:  Using race as an adjective is racial especially if it has a negative tone.  Is there any hint of where the parts are from? frame?  Unfortunately, a big assumption is that everyone that post on this forum is white.  Which is not the case.

 Well maybe , although I am REALLY glad that the new Indians seem to a quality product  :laugh: 

 Seriously , if we parse this out , there is some cheap Chinese made stuff , not because of a lack of capability , but because of demand for , well , cheap crap .

 AND , no , we aren't all Caucasian , or men , or any other particular type or group . What we are is a tribe of motorbike nut jobs  :shocked: :laugh:

 Dusty
Title: Re: Uh, vintage flat tracker w/new motors?, CL, new haven
Post by: Tom on October 03, 2016, 07:26:35 PM
It is a discussion forum and without someone saying something then folks wouldn't know.  Soooooo.....without clarification from Ncdan, we have to go on content alone.   
Title: Re: Uh, vintage flat tracker w/new motors?, CL, new haven
Post by: oldbike54 on October 03, 2016, 07:30:06 PM
It is a discussion forum and without someone saying something then folks wouldn't know.  Soooooo.....without clarification from Ncdan, we have to go on content alone.

 Seems maybe both of us made that clear .

 Dusty
Title: Re: Uh, vintage flat tracker w/new motors?, CL, new haven
Post by: Tom on October 03, 2016, 08:12:36 PM
Ohhhhkay......
Title: Re: Uh, vintage flat tracker w/new motors?, CL, new haven
Post by: OlDogface on October 03, 2016, 08:56:26 PM
Wait, wait, wait. Was that actually a (cue angels and dramatic music) a real, live, vintage, replica, Hardey Davidson?

OMG! I might pee myself!

Oh, wait...  :boozing:
Title: Re: Uh, vintage flat tracker w/new motors?, CL, new haven
Post by: Lannis on October 03, 2016, 09:33:32 PM

They're popular around here among those who have lost their licenses for driving under the influence, so it makes sense to allow those people to drive a moped without a license, so they can get to work.  At least it makes sense from that standpoint.

Better plan on using the bus, a taxi, or a bicycle in Virginia - There's no more legal "Dewies" here.   If you're suspended for DUI you can't operate ANY motor vehicle on the roads including a sub-50cc moped ....

Not sure even the Dewies have all gotten the message yet though ...

Lannis
Title: Re: Uh, vintage flat tracker w/new motors?, CL, new haven
Post by: Triple Jim on October 03, 2016, 11:25:35 PM
Yeah, Heaven forbid you'd have to power the vehicle with leg muscles.
Title: Re: Uh, vintage flat tracker w/new motors?, CL, new haven
Post by: rodekyll on October 04, 2016, 03:29:13 AM
I wonder what the titles say they are?

Title: Re: Uh, vintage flat tracker w/new motors?, CL, new haven
Post by: rocker59 on October 04, 2016, 07:37:11 AM
Better plan on using the bus, a taxi, or a bicycle in Virginia - There's no more legal "Dewies" here.   If you're suspended for DUI you can't operate ANY motor vehicle on the roads including a sub-50cc moped ....

Not sure even the Dewies have all gotten the message yet though ...

Lannis

Same in Arkansas.  A couple years ago, they updated the laws.  DWI convicts who have suspended or revoked licenses cannot operate any motorized vehicle on public roads, even 49cc scooters.  So, the "Liquor Cycle" loophole is gone.