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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: waxi on October 05, 2016, 01:47:17 PM
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I don't have switch on V7... on Nevada there is...
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Never heard of hazard lights being mandatory. After 1973 head lights and turn signals are. I have had to rewire several of my bikes to add a flasher and switch for hazard lights, never seen one that came with them from the factory.
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on the 50+ bikes I have owned, not one has had flashing hazard lights.
I have seen them on friends Kawasaki's.
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The last I heard (Donna, the license lady), hazards were not mandatory on a bike. My Convert and my old police ambo had them, but I don't think any others. Donna said I didn't need them to pass an inspection on my reconstructed vehicle, and that I wanted to think before installing any. She said that although they are not mandatory, if I install them, it is mandatory that they function. I thought that was a lot of plumbing just to add a detail for someone to scrutinize for proper function, so I opted not.
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2008 Norge has hazard flashers...
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Hazards are not mandatory on motorcycles in The USA.
Some bikes have them. Some don't.
Harleys have had them since about 1994. Push both turn signal buttons at the same time to turn them on. Repeat to turn them off.
My 1998 Triumph Sprint had them. My 1991 LeMans 1000 had them.
Neither of my two current Guzzis has them. Sport 1100 and V7 Special.
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For the record, my '89 Mille GT has them.
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I have never known a case of a LEO doing a roadside check .
Dusty
Unless there's a 'dido patch on your back...
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My 1992 BMW K75s has hazards.
FWIW: These early K-bikes were also the first to have ABS.
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Does turning on the right blinker and waving one's left arm count?
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Harleys have had them since about 1994. Push both turn signal buttons at the same time to turn them on. Repeat to turn them off./Except the newer H-D's. I recently took a demo ride on a 2017 Roadglide, I was curious about the new Milwaukee 8 engine and suspension upgrades. Somehow on the ride I got the flashers going, so I pushed both signal buttons simultaneously, but the flashers remained on. Seems they've added a button on the right switch housing to control the flashers. The button is red has a white triangle within a triangle, like you see on newer cars. Progress?
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My 1992 BMW K75s has hazards.
FWIW: These early K-bikes were also the first to have ABS.
If I recall correctly, my K1100LT also had flashers...I think...it's been a few years since I had it...can't be 100% certain.
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Never heard of hazard lights being mandatory. After 1973 head lights and turn signals are.
Turn signals I believe have to work if you have them but are not required. In Iowa if you build a bike from scratch you have to include them but can take them off after registration. I don't run turn signals on my V65C.
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I just find them useful. There were a few bicycle competitions and It's just weird escorting them with only left or right turn signal :grin:
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I THOUGHT my 93 Harley had them too, but that could be fading memory.
I will say that I've had them on most (if not all of my Harleys), my oilhead, my CARC, etc. so I was genuinely pissed to find both the M696 and the V7 didn't have them.
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My 78 Suzuki GS1000 had great working outmatch turn single cancelers and I think flashers!
My 84sp does not have either
My 07 Breva 11000 does have hazard flashers!
I would guess its just what kind of price Guzzi can get for various switch gear, based on their spec request.
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MY Lemans lll had them, K75, I think my SP did. I don't understand why they don't come on new bikes along with self canceling turn signals, my 77 Yamaha 650 had those!
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MY Lemans lll had them, K75, I think my SP did. I don't understand why they don't come on new bikes along with self canceling turn signals, my 77 Yamaha 650 had those!
My '76 Yamaha RD400C had the best self-cancelling turn signals I've ever seen on a bike, don't know why everyone didn't use them.
My two modern bikes have Hazard flashers, and I've used them once or twice. They seem useful when you're stopped behind a buddy that's just barely off the road for some reason. Don't think anyone has ever checked them during a state inspection, I don't think they're on the list.
Lannis
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my suzuki has a parking light
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When I had them I used them in heavy rain, parked on the side of the road, slow traffic.
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I THOUGHT my 93 Harley had them too, but that could be fading memory.
I will say that I've had them on most (if not all of my Harleys), my oilhead, my CARC, etc. so I was genuinely pissed to find both the M696 and the V7 didn't have them.
Well... they should be mandatory on Harleys, because they are so often stranded on the side of the road.
(just a little good-natured harley-bashing... don't get mad. It was too easy of a target. :evil:)
As for self-cancelling signals. Yeah, I love those on my K75s too. They go off after traveling a certain distance, but they stay on indefinitely when stopped. Mostly that's good, but they go off before I'm done changing multiple lanes on SoCal freeways - so I have to activate them twice to finish my changes.
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'93 Calli 3 has hazards.
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Love the hazard lights for conspicuity when necessary. Had occasion to use them the other day slowing to a foggy stop in traffic. Hit the starter button instead (located right below the hazard switch and which looks like a directional switch rather than an on-off push button which I associate with hazard lights). The motorcycle gods forgave me that error - starter switch is deactivated after starting as an idiot-proofing measure.
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Well... they should be mandatory on Harleys, because they are so often stranded on the side of the road.
(just a little good-natured harley-bashing... don't get mad. It was too easy of a target. :evil:)
As for self-cancelling signals. Yeah, I love those on my K75s too. They go off after traveling a certain distance, but they stay on indefinitely when stopped. Mostly that's good, but they go off before I'm done changing multiple lanes on SoCal freeways - so I have to activate them twice to finish my changes.
Yeah yeah :violent1:
As for self-cancelling signals Harley has had a few variations over the decades, first time/distance, then for over a decade it's been a combination of time/distance or lean angle. So if you haven't met the time/distance requirement but the bike has pitched over and come back upright it shuts off. Sometimes if the lean wasn't enough you give a little wiggle and it will turn them off.
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Love the hazard lights for conspicuity when necessary. Had occasion to use them the other day slowing to a foggy stop in traffic.
One of the things I always liked about the Harley hazards (and I guess that's changed now since the CANbus models and new wiring) is you used to activate them with BOTH turn signals (there's one large signal button on each bar). It meant that under heavy braking it was very easy to use your thumbs to turn the hazards on immediately while still clutching/braking, thereby sending a signal to any riders or drivers behind you that there was a hazard ahead.
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I'm not sure how hazard lights work actually. Is there seperate relay for left and right side? If that's the case, another switch can be added to turn both of them on.
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I'm not sure how hazard lights work actually. Is there seperate relay for left and right side? If that's the case, another switch can be added to turn both of them on.
I don't think turn signals on most bikes (including all modern Guzzis after maybe the Tonti California models, so the Cal-Vin and the Rootbeer Float model) have used a turn signal flasher. I THINK it's all solid state, usually controlled by the dash or a separate flasher module depending on the brand.
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My 2004 V11 Nero Corsa had a flasher module. I know, because I had to get a heavy duty flasher, when I added the trailer.
I haven't looked very deep into the V7 Special, so don't know on it.
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My 2004 V11 Nero Corsa had a flasher module. I know, because I had to get a heavy duty flasher, when I added the trailer.
Yeah, well that pre-dates the Cal-Vin and Rootbeer float right?
I haven't looked very deep into the V7 Special, so don't know on it.
A quick look at the wiring diagram this morning didn't show one.
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The only bike I've ever owned with hazard lights is the LM2. Most of the other bikes I've owned have been newer but don't have them.
I've never used or felt the need to use them anyway...
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The only times I have used mine were when approaching an accident or after having been pulled over by HiPo.. other than that I prefer ninja invisibility..
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One of the things I always liked about the Harley hazards (and I guess that's changed now since the CANbus models and new wiring) is you used to activate them with BOTH turn signals (there's on large signal button on each bar). It meant that under heavy braking it was very easy to use your thumbs to turn the hazards on immediately while still clutching/braking, thereby sending a signal to any riders or drivers behind you that there was a hazard ahead.
Much more useful setup than what I've got, especially when full attention needs to stay on the road situation.
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They are not mandatory, my brand new Royal Enfield did not have them and it's in the EU (often much much more anal regulations and rules than in the US). If you think about it, on a motorcycle, the signal bulbs are what, one foot apart? So if you have a roadside situation and you want to be seen, you just switch on a blinker, doesn't make difference if one side is blinking or both.
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2008 Norge has hazard flashers...
2008 1200Sport has them too. . . careful though - it hasn't been proven that the hazard button ISN'T also the self destruct switch for the dash. :grin:
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If you think about it, on a motorcycle, the signal bulbs are what, one foot apart? So if you have a roadside situation and you want to be seen, you just switch on a blinker, doesn't make difference if one side is blinking or both.
But... hazard lights usually work without the key turned to the on position. So you can be seen without running your battery down (headlight, etc.). Or you can leave them blinking and walk away with the key in your pocket.
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But... hazard lights usually work without the key turned to the on position. So you can be seen without running your battery down (headlight, etc.). Or you can leave them blinking and walk away with the key in your pocket.
Yes that is true, but again, with a motorcycle it's very improbable to be really needed in practice. You can walk the bike away from the road, it takes so little room on roadside and so on. After all, bicycles, wheelchairs and large pull behind suitcases also don't have hazard lights...
It's like parking a motorcycle on the sidewalk. Yea it's a motor vehicle and formally everything that applies to a car applies to it, but in practice it's more like a piece of equipment, a device. It's hard to reason in practice why one would be allowed to rest their oversized luggage on the sidewalk or their tricycle but not their motorcycle or that if it's a motorcycle it has to blink but if it's a ski box it doesn't.
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Yes that is true, but again, with a motorcycle it's very improbable to be really needed in practice. You can walk the bike away from the road, it takes so little room on roadside and so on. After all, bicycles, wheelchairs and large pull behind suitcases also don't have hazard lights...
It's like parking a motorcycle on the sidewalk. Yea it's a motor vehicle and formally everything that applies to a car applies to it, but in practice it's more like a piece of equipment, a device. It's hard to reason in practice why one would be allowed to rest their oversized luggage on the sidewalk or their tricycle but not their motorcycle or that if it's a motorcycle it has to blink but if it's a ski box it doesn't.
Somehow true. But you can't take it that way. If only one side is blinking you can make more confusion that good. Vehicle behind you can wrongly interpret your intention. Also, hazard lights are generally used in hazard situations, so two blinking bulbs are much more than one. Take fog for example...
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Well... they should be mandatory on Harleys, because they are so often stranded on the side of the road.
(just a little good-natured harley-bashing... don't get mad. It was too easy of a target. :evil:)
Well, that used to be true but is about 20 years out of date now. I see more bikes from the Land Of The Rising Sun and from the land of Octoberfest on the side of the road these days than I do Harleys.... Old legends/prejudices die hard, I guess. :Beating_A_Dead_Hors e_by_liviu
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Well, that used to be true but is about 20 years out of date now. I see more bikes from the Land Of The Rising Sun and from the land of Octoberfest on the side of the road these days than I do Harleys.... Old legends/prejudices die hard, I guess. :Beating_A_Dead_Hors e_by_liviu
Absolutely agree - I was just playing. But if there were more Harleys on the side of the road it could simply be because they sell more bikes than anybody else.
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Absolutely agree - I was just playing. But if there were more Harleys on the side of the road it could simply be because they sell more bikes than anybody else.
:1: Nobody who's sane can question that Harleys before the Evolution Engine (1984) were regular guests of the shoulders of many a road and usually spent more time being repaired than they should have, but even the 1970s & early 80s Harleys I owned were at least marginally more reliable than Brit bikes of the same vintage - not as much fun to ride, but more reliable. Of course, that wasn't saying much because Brit bikes of that vintage usually required a LOT of attention to keep out of the local shop even when relatively new. Can't comment on any comparisons with similar vintage MGs, but I do know that I've never seen one on the side of the road or in a parking lot with parts spread out on the ground - of course, your comment about comparative numbers sold in the US might have something to do with that.
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... But if there were more Harleys on the side of the road it could simply be because they sell more bikes than anybody else.
Or because people ride more 20 to 30 or more years old harleys that they would ride the same age plastic sport bikes. Or, okay, people also ride old royal enfields and triumpsh and whatnot, but those are usually not taken to long highway tours, whereas I can see the same thing being done regularly with old roadkings and fatbobs.
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I got a 40 year old Whatnot Special I ride on long trips regularly.
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Yes that is true, but again, with a motorcycle it's very improbable to be really needed in practice. You can walk the bike away from the road, it takes so little room on roadside and so on. After all, bicycles, wheelchairs and large pull behind suitcases also don't have hazard lights...
It's like parking a motorcycle on the sidewalk. Yea it's a motor vehicle and formally everything that applies to a car applies to it, but in practice it's more like a piece of equipment, a device. It's hard to reason in practice why one would be allowed to rest their oversized luggage on the sidewalk or their tricycle but not their motorcycle or that if it's a motorcycle it has to blink but if it's a ski box it doesn't.
I think there are many potential instances when hazard lights are more useful than just a turn signal:
1. Riding in extreme weather - fog or very heavy rain, hazards can be used for greater visibility.
2. Approaching a situation on the road where traffic suddenly slows because of construction, congestion, an accident etc.
3. Pulling to the side of the road for any reason - mechanical, personal, to put a rainsuit on. Even if YOU can physically walk away from the bike, the bike itself sitting on the shoulder is a hazard and better seen with more light than less.
I don't know where you're located, but generally speaking parking on curbs is frowned upon (at best) or illegal and ticketed/towed (at worst) in much of the US. I have never made a practice of it and would be reluctant to do so unless confirmed it was specifically allowed for some reason. Generally speaking I think it is rude and when I do see it around here I usually take it as another case of some snowflake thinking they are special when they're not.
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I don't know where you're located, but generally speaking parking on curbs is frowned upon (at best) or illegal and ticketed/towed (at worst) in much of the US.
Yes exactly, it depends on the local tradition. I'm in the USSR and it's my first riding season, I was surprised myself to discover that everyone is parking on the sidewalk (didn't even notice or think about it before I took up riding myself). First I tried to question various parties, riders and cops, hoping to get some explanation, but I soon discovered it's a don't ask don't tell situation. No one wants to state it's okay and you will not be fined, but at the same time no one has ever been towed or fined.
I think there are practical reasons though. The riding season is only about 3 months and for the past 20 years, there were virtually zero bikes due to the bad economy. Now bikes are starting to appear, but they are still like an alien race. Cops don't know how to stop or tow them or where to attach the ticket. Even speed cameras don't apply to motorcycles because there is no licence plate in the front but hey it's fair deal because the traffic lights don't react to motorcycles either. And again, no one has ever been fined for passing a red light that does not react to a motorcycle. Anyway, that's steering off the topic, but perhaps someone will find it as interesting to read as I found it interesting to type :)
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Yes exactly, it depends on the local tradition. I'm in the USSR and it's my first riding season, I was surprised myself to discover that everyone is parking on the sidewalk (didn't even notice or think about it before I took up riding myself). First I tried to question various parties, riders and cops, hoping to get some explanation, but I soon discovered it's a don't ask don't tell situation. No one wants to state it's okay and you will not be fined, but at the same time no one has ever been towed or fined.
I think there are practical reasons though. The riding season is only about 3 months and for the past 20 years, there were virtually zero bikes due to the bad economy. Now bikes are starting to appear, but they are still like an alien race. Cops don't know how to stop or tow them or where to attach the ticket. Even speed cameras don't apply to motorcycles because there is no licence plate in the front but hey it's fair deal because the traffic lights don't react to motorcycles either. And again, no one has ever been fined for passing a red light that does not react to a motorcycle. Anyway, that's steering off the topic, but perhaps someone will find it as interesting to read as I found it interesting to type :)
When I lived in Denver and was riding a bicycle, I made sure to stop by the local police station and find out the "local customs" on bicycle riding rules. They're pretty simple:
1) If you ride on the sidewalk you have to obey pedestrian rules, "Walk/Don't Walk" lights, crosswalks, and yield to pedestrians.
2) If you ride on the road you have to obey all the car rules.
A lot of places aren't like that, but Denver is pretty bicycle friendly.
In Russia, sounds like it's every man for himself and don't cause trouble, otherwise go for it!
Lannis
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Well by "bike" I still meant a motorbike, so on riding on sidewalk but just parking. It's not just about parking a few feet here or there, the main point is that due to this parking a motorcycle is free and you can access anything in the very heart of the towns and cities. I mean, you can go to the very middle of this
(http://s.kodusoov.ee/images/listings/2016-08/db6aa0ca014b59fcaa7eb7d188ee97d1-1471380143-783.jpg)
where there is no place to park a car or if there is, it's like $20 an hour or so. You just throw your bike on the curb next to the coffee table, do your business and ride on.
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Yes; sorry for the confusion. I did understand that you meant "motorbike" and were talking about just parking ... I just used the bicycle example to confirm that checking with the local riders and police is a good idea, and that different places have different ways of doing things.
I DID think that, formerly, there were lots of motorcycles in the old Soviet Union, all Russian-made, agricultural but useful. I don't know where I had that impression, but it sounds like that wasn't right.
Lannis
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Well by "bike" I still meant a motorbike, so on riding on sidewalk but just parking. It's not just about parking a few feet here or there, the main point is that due to this parking a motorcycle is free and you can access anything in the very heart of the towns and cities. I mean, you can go to the very middle of this
(http://s.kodusoov.ee/images/listings/2016-08/db6aa0ca014b59fcaa7eb7d188ee97d1-1471380143-783.jpg)
where there is no place to park a car or if there is, it's like $20 an hour or so. You just throw your bike on the curb next to the coffee table, do your business and ride on.
I get, and maybe even envy, the practicality of it if it is expected/tolerated.
BTW, looks like a beautiful city!
RIDE SAFE
Kev
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I DID think that, formerly, there were lots of motorcycles in the old Soviet Union, all Russian-made, agricultural but useful. I don't know where I had that impression, but it sounds like that wasn't right.
That is true, motorcycles were perhaps even more important up until the 60s and 70s because less people could afford a car than in the western world. But what I meant was the post-USSR era, especially the 1990s and early 2000s. By that time motorcycling had become an expensive hobby and as you can imagine, there was no place for expensive hobbies in the 1990s post-USSR economy. A whole generation was raised without knowing much about motorcycles and it's only now starting to pick up. Actually it is picking up rapidly now, it started to pick up about 10 years ago.