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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Gliderjohn on October 10, 2016, 08:09:53 PM
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Comes twice through Kansas. Have to try and see this thing live.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eaM5pAf1ao
Here is the schedule: http://www.up.com/aboutup/special_trains/steam/details.shtml
GliderJohn
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Just too, too cool.
I can't imagine what it would be like to be able to be in the cab, see what it takes to operate the engine.
I have always wondered, what is the purpose for the "fairings" along the front side of the engine? I see them on European engines also.
Thanks, that was cool.
kjf
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Cool
In the early 2000's I was able to ride behind 4449 from Sacramento to Oakland and back.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=sp+daylight&&view=detail&mid=2099AFD0501DF7EBF4512099AFD0501DF7EBF451&FORM=VRDGAR
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Those fairings direct air upwards to route smoke up and away from the cab.
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That thing pulls like a Moto Guzzi.
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That thing pulls like a Moto Guzzi.
:smiley: :thumb:
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Gotta love steam power! Thanks for sharing that! Here's the Heisler gear driven steam locomotive with a Guzzi style Vee cylinder configuration:
http://www.sierrascalemodels.com/Gallery/Rainier/Heisler.htm (http://www.sierrascalemodels.com/Gallery/Rainier/Heisler.htm)
Action video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snCnlZm178o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snCnlZm178o)
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Hot dogs! It will be in my area the 18th and I will be off work that day!
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I was curious about the speed of the train in the video, so... 80" driver wheels, running about 5 turns/second = 71 mph.
https://www.up.com/aboutup/special_trains/steam/locomotives/844.shtml
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Those fairings direct air upwards to route smoke up and away from the cab.
Thats what I thought also but recently learned they were there to reduce turbulence around the cab. Most folks I know refer to them as smoke deflectors.
Pete
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Gotta love steam power! Thanks for sharing that! Here's the Heisler gear driven steam locomotive with a Guzzi style Vee cylinder configuration:
http://www.sierrascalemodels.com/Gallery/Rainier/Heisler.htm (http://www.sierrascalemodels.com/Gallery/Rainier/Heisler.htm)
Action video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snCnlZm178o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snCnlZm178o)
Cass Scenic RR in WV has a Heisler, currently on loan to the D&GV RR and used on the "Durbin Rocket". I have one too... in HO gauge, made in Italy by Rivarossi. :azn:
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Thats what I thought also but recently learned they were there to reduce turbulence around the cab. Most folks I know refer to them as smoke deflectors.
Pete
I have also heard them called "elephant ears".
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I was curious about the speed of the train in the video, so... 80" driver wheels, running about 5 turns/second = 71 mph.
https://www.up.com/aboutup/special_trains/steam/locomotives/844.shtml
Here is a great video of Southern Pacific 4449, another 4-8-4. In it the engineer talks about the reciprocating mass being about 4,000lbs moving at this 5 rps. Consider also both these engines could exceed 100 MPH pulling a dozen or more passenger cars and did so many times while trying to maintain a schedule.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmF-GTpTzZY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmF-GTpTzZY)
Pete
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Cass Scenic RR in WV has a Heisler, currently on loan to the D&GV RR and used on the "Durbin Rocket". I have one too... in HO gauge, made in Italy by Rivarossi. :azn:
Charlie, I thought that the Cass RR used a Shay locomotive? Unless you mean they have a Heisler as well? I've been meaning to go over there again and do some "leaf peeping"!
--Mark
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Cass has multiple Shays and at least one Heisler. Just up the road in Durbin they run a Climax.
(http://thumb.ibb.co/dWkQRF/Cass_4b.jpg) (http://ibb.co/dWkQRF)
(http://thumb.ibb.co/m7mX6F/Cass_6.jpg) (http://ibb.co/m7mX6F)
(http://thumb.ibb.co/fUpkRF/Cass_Heisler2.jpg) (http://ibb.co/fUpkRF)
(http://thumb.ibb.co/kOsGYv/Durbin_Climax.jpg) (http://ibb.co/kOsGYv)
Pete
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Yep, taking my dad on a road trip to KC while it is on display this sunday. UP is also restoring a Big Boy. Now that one will be a sight.
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Cass has multiple Shays and at least one Heisler. Just up the road in Durbin they run a Climax.
The Climax from Durbin has been moved to the Cass shops and is being repaired alongside Cass's own Climax that is being restored. The Heisler from Cass is filling in for the Climax at Durbin.
From Facebook:
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14457514_1080691772051593_8129584340847655663_n.jpg?oh=3e8a8584cbb60c3bad976b605e4fde79&oe=587078CE)
Casshews Andrew Kennedy and David White look over Climax Nos. 3 and 6 as the two locomotives occupy the same space for the first time in decades...if such a moment ever happened during their careers for Moore-Keppel & Co. at all. Both locomotives had significantly different dispositions after their respective careers at Ellamore, making it all the more incredible that this scene could happen in the 21st Century.
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Charlie, I thought that the Cass RR used a Shay locomotive? Unless you mean they have a Heisler as well? I've been meaning to go over there again and do some "leaf peeping"!
--Mark
Yes, Cass is predominantly Shay, but has a Heisler (now at Durbin) and a Climax under restoration. The Climax from Durbin is also now at Cass Shops for repair.
The Heisler going for a little ride:
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/12961509_10156760686935621_3848019896711181171_n.jpg?oh=f2d787219ba7a1c85dce13a86f54ef38&oe=589D97C4)
Chase Gunnoe
April 13 ยท
Greetings from Cass! Today, the Durbin & Greenbrier Valley Railroad is moving Heisler No. 6 from Cass to Durbin where it will operate on the railroad's Durbin Rocket for the 2016 operating season. While the Heisler powers the Rocket, Moore & Keppel Climax No. 3 will undergo restoration at the Cass Shops.
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About 30 years ago I became very interested in Live Steam. I've collected a number of casting sets to fab 1-1/2" scale locomotives and two casting sets for a marine compound engine to power a 25' steam launch..... retirement projects. I've completed a few parts over the years. I belong to the Golden Gate Live Steamers http://goldengatels.org/
There are clubs across the US and worldwide.
Marine engine..... AVL steam engine https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=avl+steam+engine&&view=detail&mid=DCAD15EA5CE69D98BFBEDCAD15EA5CE69D98BFBE&FORM=VRDGAR
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Yep, taking my dad on a road trip to KC while it is on display this sunday. UP is also restoring a Big Boy. Now that one will be a sight.
Is that the Big Boy from St Louis? The transporation museum there was restoring a Challenger and then a Big Boy, or so he told me. The Challenger was being worked on and near completion then. Do not remember how long ago that was.
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The Big Boy is the one that was on display at the Pomona Fairgrounds for many years.
844 came through town a few years ago, best whistle ever. And it was *moving*!
cr
(http://thumb.ibb.co/bXwJDv/Splitting_Signals.jpg) (http://ibb.co/bXwJDv)
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It's on the UP website. Converting to oil. Reading the specs on these on UP and wiki is some fun reading.
http://www.up.com/aboutup/special_trains/steam/locomotives/4014/about_4014.shtml
Would love to catch the 844 running, but can't take time off during week. Looks like the 844 will be at the Union Staition in KC all day sunday. Wonder how close we will be able to get.
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The National Transportation Museum. In STL only has a Challenger. No Big Boy. They do have another operational steam loco that used to do excursions but govt regulations changed and the money isnt available to upgrade it.
844 will be going right past the museum.
CORRECTION
They have a Big Boy, but no Challenger. Last I was there it was outside and in poor condition.
They also own a N&W 4-8-8-2 that is on loan to the VA museum until 2020.
The museum has much of its stuff outside. It is owned by the St. Louis County Parks dept so there isnt a lot of $ available.
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Not quite as huge, but still plenty big, C&O 1309 will soon be back running again, hauling tourists in western MD.
(http://www.movingfullsteamahead.com/files/uploads/photos/55416482-6144-439a-a0a7-74660a6d9fbd.png)
WMSR 734 was mighty impressive, 1309 will be even more so. Can't wait! :popcorn:
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/rrpa_photos/53651/WMSR%20734%20(1).jpg)
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I love this sh!t.. :smiley:
:popcorn:
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I served my apprenticeship on New Zealand Railways just at the end of the steam era
They were still using Ks and KAs made in the railway shops, my older brother was a fireman.
The engines were quite a bit smaller than those in Nth America and the gauge was only 3ft 6 but to see a KA going past at about 60 was an awesome sight.
http://www.trainweb.org/nzsteam/
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When I mentioned above that I rode behind SP4449 it was a double header with SP2472 from Sacramento to Oakland. They rushed 2472 thru restoration to make the opening of the Sacramento Railroad Museum and it had trouble on the way up to Sacramento from San Francisco. They weren't sure it would make it home after the event so they doubled up with 4449. That was a cool day.
The museum in Sacramento has a cab forward on display. They were used on the SP line over the Sierras due to the numerous long snow sheds on the line.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Pacific_2472
http://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=668
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Not quite as huge, but still plenty big, C&O 1309 will soon be back running again, hauling tourists in western MD.
According to the specs, this one will pull half again more "tractive effort" than 844, at 99,000 lb, compared to 844's 64,000 lb.
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http://www.vmt.org/collections/rail.html
Dean
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According to the specs, this one will pull half again more "tractive effort" than 844, at 99,000 lb, compared to 844's 64,000 lb.
Power vs. speed. :thumb:
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Nickel Plate Berkshire 765 does many fan trips. Last summer is did a couple in Western New York. The trestle in the pic below was built in 1875 and was on its route. Scheduled for replacement in two years.
(http://thumb.ibb.co/dg1ktv/image.jpg) (http://ibb.co/dg1ktv)
(http://thumb.ibb.co/mRTWYv/image.jpg) (http://ibb.co/mRTWYv)
Pete
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765 came to my town in 2012. Stopped and then was pulled back the other way by a Diesel.
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765 came to my town in 2012. Stopped and then was pulled back the other way by a Diesel.
That's strange. I wonder if it had a malfunction. I rode a steam train once, and it took us to a old station in the middle of nowhere, took a siding to the other end of the cars, hitched back up with the headlight aiming in the now-front car, and pulled us back to the starting point.
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That's strange. I wonder if it had a malfunction. I rode a steam train once, and it took us to a old station in the middle of nowhere, took a siding to the other end of the cars, hitched back up with the headlight aiming in the now-front car, and pulled us back to the starting point.
Two possible reasons for this. No way to turn it around or the railroad it was on required an engine on the front. When it was in upstate NY last year it ran from Buffalo to Corning. In Corning there is a wye long enough to allow the whole train be turned. The run was on CSX tracks which limited its speed to 40 MPH, basically idling. Much of the route parallels close to roads. Many some of my favorite MC rides.
Pete
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Could have had something wrong with the reverse mechanism.
Years ago I was on a ride at Roaring Camp in the Santa Cruz mountains. We were being pulled by their Heisler and the route up the hill required the loco to bury it's nose into a dead end. Then they thru the track switch and the Heisler would back up a steep grade switch to get up the hill then they thru the track switch back to the main line and the loco would pull forward. The Heisler tried five times but could not back all the way up the hill. We had to walk back downhill to the station. Turns out the timing of the cylinders was off. It was about a 3 hour job to get the timing repaired.
They have to back up the hill because years ago some a$$hole set fire to the wooden trestle and it is too costly to rebuild it.
http://www.roaringcamp.com/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roaring_Camp_and_Big_Trees_Narrow_Gauge_Railroad
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No way to turn it around.
Once back to Berkeley from St. Peter's (yes it has an apostrophe) it was ferried back to Ft. Wayne.