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Title: GDR MuZ V twin
Post by: pikipiki on October 26, 2016, 03:16:37 PM
Found this yesterday, there's a little museam Berlin Alexanderplatz, wasn't looking for it just stumbeled into it.

interesting V twin, whether this was a prototype, factory job or something an enthusiast built I cant say? Seems a flat twin and V twin were built along similar lines (looks a bit like 2 x ETZ250 block/heads?) but only the flat was exibitted in a motorcycle.

(http://i68.tinypic.com/ogmis2.jpg)(http://i66.tinypic.com/2hn3tye.jpg)



http://www.erstesberliner-ddr-motorradmuseum.de (http://www.erstesberliner-ddr-motorradmuseum.de)
Title: Re: GDR MuZ V twin
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on October 26, 2016, 03:46:35 PM
That's oddly cool.  :thumb:
Title: Re: GDR MuZ V twin
Post by: LowRyter on October 26, 2016, 05:05:38 PM
it looks like a twin crank
Title: Re: GDR MuZ V twin
Post by: sign216 on October 26, 2016, 05:28:27 PM
it looks like a twin crank

Yes, it does look like that, but why would a maker go that route?
Title: Re: GDR MuZ V twin
Post by: jas67 on October 26, 2016, 05:31:23 PM
Yes, it does look like that, but why would a maker go that route?

Vibration cancelling.

That's why the Suzuki "Gamma" and Yamaha RZ500 V4's (among other 2T race bikes of the day) did it.

Those "V4" engines were actually more of a square 4 (remember the Ariel Square Four), with two counter-rotating crankshafts.

Title: Re: GDR MuZ V twin
Post by: Aaron D. on October 26, 2016, 06:07:01 PM
Well, the 2 stroke Vs had separate cranks because they needed separate crankcases. I think this thing would be harder to balance for a street bike, though the crankshafts would be easier to make.
Title: Re: GDR MuZ V twin
Post by: Rick4003 on October 26, 2016, 09:11:11 PM
Very need little engine, the two cranks are properly as mentioned earlier because a two stroke needs separate crankcases. If you would make it with one crankshaft the engine would be a lot longer as the cylinders had to be out of line just like a guzzi, but just a lot more. Also you could cancel out the centrifugal forces caused by the cranks by making them counter rotating.

-Ulrik
Title: Re: GDR MuZ V twin
Post by: pikipiki on October 27, 2016, 04:37:23 PM
(http://i65.tinypic.com/a5b391.jpg)
except the flat twin seems to only have one crank?
Title: Re: GDR MuZ V twin
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on October 27, 2016, 06:58:09 PM
(http://i65.tinypic.com/a5b391.jpg)
except the flat twin seems to only have one crank?

Cylinders seem to be offset quite a bit.
Title: Re: GDR MuZ V twin
Post by: Triple Jim on October 27, 2016, 07:06:08 PM
If the pistons are going in and out like a boxer, and I assume they are, the crankshaft has two throws, and the crankcase will pressurize fine for both cylinders at the same time.  They'd also fire at the same time, once per engine revolution.