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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: JJ on October 26, 2016, 04:02:18 PM
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http://www.cartoq.com/mahindras-future-bikes-to-look-like-this-we-like/
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Aside from the fact that the writer needs a history lesson ... What I really wish is that all of those venerable old brands would be left in the past , Lotus , Brough , Ariel , Vincent , Norton , Oldsmobile, (OK Oldsmobile isn't venerable :laugh:)
The all new for 2017 Hupmobile :rolleyes:
Dusty
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Olds
fastest thing around
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A "Mahindra" motorcycle will have as much to do with a BSA or Norton as a new "Excelsior" motorcycle had to do with "Excelsior" - that is, nothing.
Let 'em name it what they want. Heckfire, when BSA named the 1971 500cc unit single a "Gold Star", they hurt themselves more than they helped. NOBODY believed it.
Lannis
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I don't think it would be a bad thing, Mahindra has been winning races in Moto3, makes the Peugeot Moto3 bike-and sells a lot of bikes in India. Norton and BSA are cool names, not nothing more now, so they'd make a good decoration on the side of a tank.
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Royal Enfield needs a good competitor, and a refined Gold Star would be the ticket.
But they need a good mid-sized twin to round out the offerings.
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Aside from the fact that the writer needs a history lesson ... What I really wish is that all of those venerable old brands would be left in the past , Lotus , Brough , Ariel , Vincent , Norton , Oldsmobile, (OK Oldsmobile isn't venerable :laugh:)
The all new for 2017 Hupmobile :rolleyes:
Dusty
You forgot Indian :wink:
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Funny. Indian proves what a good brand can do, because the originals were pretty badly made.
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You forgot Indian :wink:
Yeah , the Polarindian , or as someone said a couple of years back , "wouldn't that be an Eskimo?" :laugh:
Funny. Indian proves what a good brand can do, because the originals were pretty badly made.
Actually the prewar Indian Motocycle products were considered a high quality machine.
Dusty
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If one digs a little deeper it seems to be that Classic Legends, a newly-acquired subsidiary of Mahindra & Mahindra, has itself acquired the rights and assets associated with BSA. Separately, they also acquired certain licensing rights to the Jawa brand, apparently for marketing in India. And Mahindra & Mahindra had previously acquired a majority stake in Peugeot's motorcycle business. However, nothing else I found indicated that any of these acquisition also included the Norton brand, licensing rights or the current Norton motorcycle business.
My takeaway from this is that Mahindra & Mahindra, through its Classic Legends subsidiary and its Peugeot holdings, seems intent on using existing and established brands to enter new motorcycle segments and markets as well as to shore up its moribund existing motorcycle efforts in India and elsewhere.
But I don't see Norton involved in this at all.
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Yeah , the Polarindian , or as someone said a couple of years back , "wouldn't that be an Eskim?" :laugh:
Actually the prewar Indian Motocycle products were considered a high quality machine.
Dusty
Well, yes, back a bit before the war. During the war, well, no. Either way, I have no real problem with most of the revival brands.
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A "Mahindra" motorcycle will have as much to do with a BSA or Norton as a new "Excelsior" motorcycle had to do with "Excelsior" - that is, nothing.
Let 'em name it what they want. Heckfire, when BSA named the 1971 500cc unit single a "Gold Star", they hurt themselves more than they helped. NOBODY believed it.
Lannis
Yup.
Kinda like that Eldorado.
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What I think is funny is when people think that Lightning Will Certainly Strike Twice ....
Like old Fords and MoPars. In the 60's, Ford made the common-or-garden Mustang, and ALSO made some "GT"-badged versions and Shelby-inspired versions of the same cars, with a lot of performance and styling cues on them ... and their cousins-by-marriage, the Shelby Cobras, were made out of AC Aces.
People have noticed that if a plain original Mustang sells for X, a GT version will sell for 5X, a Shelby version for 20X, and an original 289 or 427 Cobra will sell for 100X.
So now Ford is selling Mustangs again, and they've had the idea "Let's try THIS out on them!" ... so they make "GT" versions and "Shelby" versions and "Cobra" versions of the basic car, and people are buying them up and covering them up inside their shops, just WAITING for that 20X or 100X "investment" boost to show up ... and they'll go the same way as the Royal Wedding and Silver Jubilee Triumphs did in the late 70s - worth no more, really, than the base car.
Just like the "Hemi"s, it only happens once. Whatever it is that's going to be the big collector car of today in 2050, nobody, by definition, knows what it is yet .... !
Lannis
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Just like the "Hemi"s, it only happens once. Whatever it is that's going to be the big collector car of today in 2050, nobody, by definition, knows what it is yet .... !
There's where you're wrong. It's going to be my '84 Dodge B150 van.
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So does this mean Rush Limbaugh will be doing BSA commercials instead of Mahindra commercials? HMMM?
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QUOTE: Yup. Kinda like that Eldorado.
My late father always liked big V8's, Cadillac's, Oldsmobile's, and Buick's. :thumb: :cool:
One HUGE whale comes to mind, his 1975 Eldorado...(just like this one!) :rolleyes: :shocked: - 425 cubic inches of front-wheel drive! :rolleyes: :shocked:
It was so long, it would not fit in our garage!! :wink: :embarrassed: It rode well, but it was a BEAST! :rolleyes: :shocked:
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Actually the prewar Indian Motocycle products were considered a high quality machine.
Dusty
My Granddad had one that he put into a barb wire fence back in the 30's. He sold it because the parts were to expensive and he had to leave the State. The "Revenuers" were after him for not paying taxes on his jugs "home brew". :laugh:
Oldsmobile, (OK Oldsmobile isn't venerable :laugh:)
And don't be badmouthing Olds, Granddad used to buy one every few years, put over 150,000 miles on it and trade it in on a new one. He did that from the 50's through 70's. Try that with a 1950 Toyota.
(http://www.toyota-global.com/pages/contents/company/history_of_toyota/images/50_p1_L_1_.jpg)
Mark my Fiat and Alfa were more reliable than my 1980's Toyota Supra with "chocolate cams"
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Olds
fastest thing around
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Rocket 88! Your pic brings back memories. My older brother was in high school (1948 - 49) and was certain he'd convinced my dad to replace his 1946 Ford with a new Olds 88 with Hydromatic. To his surprise and dismay, he arrived home to see not a Rocket 88 but a pea soup green Chrysler Windsor sedan with an in-line 6 and Fluid Drive. I was only 7 years old, but can still remember my brother's disappointment over the Chrysler.
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QUOTE: Yup. Kinda like that Eldorado.
My late father always liked big V8's, Cadillac's, Oldsmobile's, and Buick's. :thumb: :cool:
One HUGE whale comes to mind, his 1975 Eldorado...(just like this one!) :rolleyes: :shocked: - 425 cubic inches of front-wheel drive! :rolleyes: :shocked:
It was so long, it would not fit in our garage!! :wink: :embarrassed: It rode well, but it was a BEAST! :rolleyes: :shocked:
(http://thumb.ibb.co/ej9GGF/405016_4.jpg) (http://ibb.co/ej9GGF)
A beast. Sort of...
ENGINE DETAILS
Displacement: 8.2 Litres, V-8 (500 CID)
Bore and Stroke: 4.30 x 4.304
Compression Ratio: 8.50 to 1
SAE Net Horsepower: 190 @ 4000 rpm
http://automotivemileposts.com/eldorado/prod1975eldo.html
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Another "whale" my Dad owned was a 1969 Oldsmobile 98 4-door (see photos) :cool: :thumb: It had a 455 cubic inch, 4-barrel, 390 HP Rocket V8 motor. :shocked: :rolleyes: The original Low Rider!
At age 18, a friend and I drove this monster from upstate NY to Vail / Aspen CO and back to go skiing. With almost 150,000 miles on the odometer, it barely used a quart of oil the entire trip! :rolleyes: :shocked: It also had a factory 8-track player, so we rocked the whole way out and back!! Good times!
(http://thumb.ibb.co/hQJFAa/oldsmobile_98_luxury_4_door_hardtop.jpg) (http://ibb.co/hQJFAa)
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A beast. Sort of...
ENGINE DETAILS
Displacement: 8.2 Litres, V-8 (500 CID)
Bore and Stroke: 4.30 x 4.304
Compression Ratio: 8.50 to 1
SAE Net Horsepower: 190 @ 4000 rpm
http://automotivemileposts.com/eldorado/prod1975eldo.html
Thanks for the correction - - - 500 CID!! :rolleyes: :shocked: - :shocked: - Even LARGER than I remembered!!
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Who brought up Oldsmobile ? That guy should ... oh wait , never mind :rolleyes:
Dusty
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QUOTE: Aside from the fact that the writer needs a history lesson ... What I really wish is that all of those venerable old brands would be left in the past , Lotus , Brough , Ariel , Vincent , Norton , Oldsmobile, (OK Oldsmobile isn't venerable :laugh:) The all new for 2017 Hupmobile :rolleyes: - - Dusty
The same guy who brought up..."The Hupmobile!" (LOL) :rolleyes: :shocked: Here is a 1925 example! :cool:
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QUOTE: Aside from the fact that the writer needs a history lesson ... What I really wish is that all of those venerable old brands would be left in the past , Lotus , Brough , Ariel , Vincent , Norton , Oldsmobile, (OK Oldsmobile isn't venerable :laugh:) The all new for 2017 Hupmobile :rolleyes: - - Dusty
The same guy who brought up..."The Hupmobile!" (LOL) :rolleyes: :shocked: Here is a 1925 example! :cool:
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I've tried reporting that guy , but for some reason the complaints keep coming back to me :rolleyes:
Seriously , nothing wrong with Oldsmobile , or Hupmobile , although if we are gonna resurrect marques from the past , someone should really use Genial-Lucifer , or New Motorcycle , both short lived French brands :laugh:
Dusty
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When I lived / worked in Aachen, Germany 2004-2005, I came very close to buying one of these cool, now extinct French brands....The VOXAN!! :thumb: :cool: :1:
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QUOTE:....someone should really use Genial-Lucifer , or New Motorcycle , both short lived French brands :laugh:
C'mon now...how cool would it be to show up at Bike Night on a running example of one of these iconic classics!! :cool: :1: :thumb: :rolleyes: :shocked:
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My grandfather was a Hupmobile dealer way back when in Kansas.
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A "Mahindra" motorcycle will have as much to do with a BSA or Norton as a new "Excelsior" motorcycle had to do with "Excelsior" - that is, nothing.
Let 'em name it what they want. Heckfire, when BSA named the 1971 500cc unit single a "Gold Star", they hurt themselves more than they helped. NOBODY believed it.
Lannis
Couldn't agree more. :thumb:
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Them Mahindra boys think they so smart, let's see 'em make and sell some of THESE ....
(https://photos.smugmug.com/General/i-4qbhB9T/0/O/bsa-motorcycles_827x510_41477391860.jpg) (https://lannisselz.smugmug.com/General/i-4qbhB9T/A)
I wouldn't be able to afford it, but I'd shut up about it ....
Lannis
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:grin: :grin: :grin:
I see the ads for the smaller Mahindra tractor/loader. How are they quality wise? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahindra_Tractors
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Them Mahindra boys think they so smart, let's see 'em make and sell some of THESE ....
(https://photos.smugmug.com/General/i-4qbhB9T/0/O/bsa-motorcycles_827x510_41477391860.jpg) (https://lannisselz.smugmug.com/General/i-4qbhB9T/A)
I wouldn't be able to afford it, but I'd shut up about it ....
Lannis
Looks like a nicely modified Hornet. :drool:
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I see the ads for the smaller Mahindra tractor/loader. How are they quality wise? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahindra_Tractors
In this heavily agricultural county, I've never seen one in a production situation.
"Weekend squires" use them for mowing and dragging their driveways, but a man who has to depend on the tractor to make a living can't take a risk on a different view of "quality" than Deere or MF or IH ....
Lannis
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Them Mahindra boys think they so smart, let's see 'em make and sell some of THESE ....
(https://photos.smugmug.com/General/i-4qbhB9T/0/O/bsa-motorcycles_827x510_41477391860.jpg) (https://lannisselz.smugmug.com/General/i-4qbhB9T/A)
I wouldn't be able to afford it, but I'd shut up about it ....
Lannis
That's fabulous!!! Restored examples now go for $10K and up...would love to have one here in Red Rock country!! :cool: :1: :thumb:
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I also always lusted after one of these - the legendary 441 Victor Special. This example coming up for auction at MECUM's in Las Vegas in January... :cool: :1: :thumb:
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In this heavily agricultural county, I've never seen one in a production situation.
"Weekend squires" use them for mowing and dragging their driveways, but a man who has to depend on the tractor to make a living can't take a risk on a different view of "quality" than Deere or MF or IH ....
Lannis
Totally agree. Was just wondering how their build quality is. Consumer use is where they seem to be trying to compete. Commercially maybe not yet.
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Yep. :cool:
http://www.foxnews.com/auto/2016/10/27/bsa-motorcycles-back-in-business.html
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I also always lusted after one of these - the legendary 441 Victor Special. This example coming up for auction at MECUM's in Las Vegas in January... :cool: :1: :thumb:
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Throwing this, out just because. The Manager for one of the FBO's (Fuel Base Operator) at the Kona International Airport had one restored because he had one when he was a young man. He found one, spent the money on it to restore to like new oem condition. The magic wasn't there. The bike looked nice and he had it up for sale. "When did you have before?" His reply "When I was 19/20." Tim is a full blown adult in his early 50's 200lbs+ on his 19/20 frame. It didn't recapture his youth. I did lend him my Jackal. He did enjoy that but I think he got soured by the Victor restoration. :tongue:
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Throwing this, out just because. The Manager for one of the FBO's (Fuel Base Operator) at the Kona International Airport had one restored because he had one when he was a young man. He found one, spent the money on it to restore to like new oem condition. The magic wasn't there. The bike looked nice and he had it up for sale. "When did you have before?" His reply "When I was 19/20." Tim is a full blown adult in his early 50's + on his 19/20 frame. It didn't recapture his youth. I did lend him my Jackal. He did enjoy that but I think he got soured by the Victor restoration. :tongue:
Understand that rationale completely....Howev er, a few years ago, I bought a restored 1970 Triumph T100C Trophy 500. Great little bike, but could not do more than 50-55 mph, so secondary roads only.
That being said, it was fun to tickle the carbs and kick over and ride. It felt like a mini-bike and the sound was awesome! :rolleyes: :shocked: Still, ridden within reason, it was a blast. I sold it only because I needed the money in between jobs.
I have a 2014 Victory Vision and a 1998 Centauro GT - - so thinking about something small and fun...maybe vintage again...maybe not.
My "GO FAST" days are long over...so I am happy just to putt around... :thumb: :cool: :1:
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Mahindra is the company that did not pay Eric Buhl Racing (EBR) for a massive amount of developmental work his company did for them. Nonpayment of that money caused EBR to go bankrupt. I have heard that Eric is trying to make another come back, the local dealer actually has one of his bikes still for sell, Half price, and said that he was contacted by Eric's company but wont be their dealer again.
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Mahindra is the company that did not pay Eric Buhl Racing (EBR) for a massive amount of developmental work his company did for them. Nonpayment of that money caused EBR to go bankrupt. I have heard that Eric is trying to make another come back, the local dealer actually has one of his bikes still for sell, Half price, and said that he was contacted by Eric's company but wont be their dealer again.
I think that was Hero and not Mahindra .
Dusty
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In this heavily agricultural county, I've never seen one in a production situation.
"Weekend squires" use them for mowing and dragging their driveways, but a man who has to depend on the tractor to make a living can't take a risk on a different view of "quality" than Deere or MF or IH ....
Lannis
They are popular here with farmers, the squires tend to Kubota, But very few places here like the Midwest where the big agricultural stuff is king. We do have some big operations, and they use Deere.
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They are popular here with farmers, the squires tend to Kubota, But very few places here like the Midwest where the big agricultural stuff is king. We do have some big operations, and they use Deere.
It may be that Mahindra's product line doesn't run to huge ag operations, I haven't looked into it. I do know that the smaller farms (<1000 acres) that are typical here can't afford experimentation with the low-priced Indian or Russian equipment that's out there.
They may be OK for all I know, but no one's putting enough hours on them for anyone to tell .... And you're right, for hobby farmers and 5 acre estate owners with money, it's Kubota every time. Two 1950's Fergusons and a 40's Farmall do everything I need here.
Lannis
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They have 4 assembly plants in the U.S.. They must be busy for the hobby farmer.
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http://mahindrausa.com/Tractors/series
22 - 105 hp. $12k - $65k.
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http://mahindrausa.com/Tractors/series
22 - 105 hp. $12k - $65k.
If they can convince their target market that their big tractor will out-last and out-pull the John Deere 4020 that Mr. MacDonald bought in 1972, and do it for less money, I suspect we'll see a lot more of them. May take a while, though.
Lannis
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Back in 2007/8 timeframe I was looking for a cheap, diesel, smallish pickup truck for use on a hobby farm. I don't recall where, but saw that Mahindra was "soon" to deploy a small diesel pickup for under $10k new here in the US of A. I signed up for their early release notices, etc..
I think I got two emails. They flopped and never sold a single truck here.
I've since sold the farm and pressed my old Civic into hauling my needed bag or two of potting soil per year.
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Expect Extra Delivery Charges ......
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My favorite!
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The "Bond" Bike! (in color!)
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Never saw one of these before .....
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That's what I'm talking about!! Timeless and beautiful vintage motorcycle!! :thumb: :cool: :1:
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My favorite model year was the 1967 A65 Lightning... :cool:
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1969 Thunderbolt with dealer kit - tachometer and something else I forgot .... shook like a banshee and made wonderful sounds. One side of the bike, the nuts would tighten and on the other side, the nuts would loosen, all by themselves! First encounter with LEFT HAND threads! Where'd my left footrest go? Damn.
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1969 Thunderbolt with dealer kit - tachometer and something else I forgot .... shook like a banshee and made wonderful sounds. One side of the bike, the nuts would tighten and on the other side, the nuts would loosen, all by themselves! First encounter with LEFT HAND threads! Where'd my left footrest go? Damn.
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Penderic003/Gold%20Star%20BSA_zpscjbkmoet.jpg)
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If I am not mistaken...
1st photo - Thunderbolt was a single carb, Lightning had twin carbs.
Photo 2: That is a Goldstar single.
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I have a cousin that owns a Mahindra tractor. It does everything he needs it to do and he was able to afford a bigger machine than if he had chosen JD or Kubota. Indian machinery has been getting better for years (India has claimed a big chunk of international scooter sales and even has a HD assembly plant) and I believe they are at or near a tipping point that may allow them to claim significant market share worldwide. It sorta reminds me of Japan in the early to mid-sixties...
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Let's all just have a MAHINDRA TRACTOR festival, shall we?!?
:rolleyes: :shocked: :thumb: :cool: :1:
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I sort of wonder about the offshoots. I believe for example that it is possible to buy a Gold Star brand new under a build-to-order only scheme. Engine Built in NZ, bike assembled and built on OZ. Don't know if they are still available.
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I sort of wonder about the offshoots. I believe for example that it is possible to buy a Gold Star brand new under a build-to-order only scheme. Engine Built in NZ, bike assembled and built on OZ. Don't know if they are still available.
A friend built a "BSA" Gold Star from parts, most of it new, about the only original part used was the frame. The engine he used was from this company: http://www.absaf.nl/index.php?page=1
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Seems almost any classic British racing single can be built from new components , vintage racing grids are full of G50's , 7R's , Manx Nortons , and the occasional Rudge , that were built in the recent past . Heck , at one time a new 68-70 Bonneville could be put together using new parts , might still be possible .
Dusty