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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: scura283 on November 08, 2016, 11:16:57 AM
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http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/moto-guzzi/moto-guzzi-v7.html
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Wow, the v7III special looks fantastic!
http://eicma.piaggiogroup.com/en/moto-guzzi.html
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So then the V7II was a one year model in the USA?
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50th Anniversary V7:
(http://motorcycle.com.vsassets.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/anniversario.jpg)
Racer with Ohlins shocks!
(http://motorcycle.com.vsassets.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/cafe.jpg)
Special :drool::
(http://motorcycle.com.vsassets.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/special.jpg)
(http://eicma.piaggiogroup.com/img/guzzi/v7-5.png)(http://eicma.piaggiogroup.com/img/guzzi/v7-6.png)
Stone:
(http://motorcycle.com.vsassets.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/stone.jpg)
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So then the V7II was a one year model in the USA?
Two. 2015/2016
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http://ridermagazine.com/2016/11/08/2017-moto-guzzi-v7-iii-lineup-first-look-review/
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The Stone comes in yellow too:
(https://s22.postimg.org/f8rpk9rpt/Moto_Guzzi_V7_III_2017_16.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/9xcszk5n1/)photoupload (https://postimage.org/)
with the brown seat, that would look pretty good, though red would be even better.
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Nice!!!
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Anyone buys my V7 II Special ?? :grin:
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Guzzi joy, pure and simple.
Racer probably $11.5K? Stone probably $10K like the V9.
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Wow -- Fify! Just right for the Distinguished Gentleman's Ride.
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRxTvbsF-TUnDufvMjw-2zmdOnFb6iaWlgBI39cd-pAvYid6syToQ)
All I'd need is a monocle for my bad eye, pipe, stick on mustache and loose 50 lbs.
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Some different pics here
http://www.motorradonline.de/motorraeder/moto-guzzi-v7-iii-auf-der-eicma-2016/796222#1-796330
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Curious that the stone has a single instrument cluster, a la the V9. To make it the cost-leader in the group, I suppose.
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Curious that the stone has a single instrument cluster, a la the V9. To make it the cost-leader in the group, I suppose.
Looks like all-new gauges, from pictures I've seen.
I like the V7-III Special in the blue scheme, but trying to figure out why they painted the front fender blue and left the rear fender black.
Strange.
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Are there any specs on this, or did I miss them?
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There are some details here, but nothing super specific.
http://www.cyclenews.com/2016/11/article/2017-moto-guzzi-v7-iii-range-first-look/
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(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Penderic003/drool_zpsfzpexnzl.gif)
Wow!
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Penderic003/awesome_zps2inv4mbp.jpeg)
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I agree. Front fender should be black. Also, black rims were nicer to me.
Everywhere I read they state that engine is still 750 ccm? Also starter seems to be bigger... Anyone familiar with these new rear shocks?
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4.2" lower seat height? That has to be a misprint?
(The V7 II had a 57-inch wheelbase, 27-degree rake and 4.6 inches of trail.) The dual preload-adjustable Kayaba shocks are new, seat height has been reduced to 27.2 inches (down from 31.4 inches) and new aluminum footpegs are lower and farther forward. The V7 III line also features a new locking, screw-on gas cap, new injector covers, sleeker side panels, a new saddle and updated instrumentation.
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After looking at the photos of the 2017 V7 III, I agree that it a fine looking retro machine ... but I was hoping for at least one updated CARC sport model from the engineering designers at Moto Guzzi.
On the V7III the new 'side covers' etc are certainly fine, but what about manufacturing a V7 with a mono shock swingarm, or a deep sump spin on oil filter?
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Stone looks very nice to me. Maybe...
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I was hoping for at least one updated CARC sport model from the engineering designers at Moto Guzzi.
The V7-III info is early release info. EICMA doesn't open for a couple days, and there is plenty of time for more announcements.
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Sold my Le Mans III a long time ago...but I do still have a V50 III. Maybe it's time for a V7 III?
Steven Rossi
East Haddam, CT
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4.2" lower seat height? That has to be a misprint?
(The V7 II had a 57-inch wheelbase, 27-degree rake and 4.6 inches of trail.) The dual preload-adjustable Kayaba shocks are new, seat height has been reduced to 27.2 inches (down from 31.4 inches) and new aluminum footpegs are lower and farther forward. The V7 III line also features a new locking, screw-on gas cap, new injector covers, sleeker side panels, a new saddle and updated instrumentation.
The seat height certainly doesn't appear substantially different from the II, and the seat on the Special looks thicker. I cant imagine there is much difference in the height? Special does look nice
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Thanks forgiving me hope something else may come out. These bikes would be a fine replacement for my Breva, should that day ever come. :grin:
But....they really need to have something more......not necessarily for me....but as a sporting (not sports!) halo model. A Le Mans 850 as it were.
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I agree. Front fender should be black.
Or rear should be blue!
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Unfortunately, none of these bikes look right to me visually nor as pretty as the current V7 lineup. Maybe the Stone a little but even then the total blacked out exhaust just looks wrong for my tastes. Thankfully, you guys all seem to be excited about them so that's good.
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Sidecovers look a little strange.
Rich A
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Sidecovers look a little strange.
Rich A
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I like the current ones better.
Thanks forgiving me hope something else may come out. These bikes would be a fine replacement for my Breva, should that day ever come. :grin:
But....they really need to have something more......not necessarily for me....but as a sporting (not sports!) halo model. A Le Mans 850 as it were.
Maybe they're saving Nuevo Le Mans 850 for next year.
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BUT, if they're like the V9 the parts will be all metal.
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Unfortunately, none of these bikes look right to me visually nor as pretty as the current V7 lineup.
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and I agree with Rich that the side cover don't look as good to me as the current V7II
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I have a '16 Stornello. Thanks, Moto Guzzi, for creating another level of unnecessary want/lust for that 50th Anniversary chrome-and-leather beauty. Too much candy for the children.
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I really like all the work that went into this new V7. The engine block, with a redesigned sump and improved oil management, is sturdier, the top-end is more modern and efficient, and the clutch and gearbox have been revised. Add to this the changes to the steering geometry and the new, re-angled rear shocks and the V7 III seems to be nicely updated without having lost its unique nature. The styling is subjective.
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Looking at the pictures does it appear, (I have to admit I haven't paid close attention.) that the new V7III seems to use the 'Old' style swingers and presumably shaft and bevel box of the earlier, Pre V9, bikes? If so why in the name of all that's holy would they invest in a complete new final drive for just those two abominations?
Pete
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^ I'm guessing Moto Guzzi have other V9 variants waiting in the wings...
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No Scrambler? This can't be
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No Scrambler? This can't be
That's cause it's a V9 and this thread is about the V7 III
Check out the EICMA thread:
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DogW
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I really like all the work that went into this new V7. The engine block, with a redesigned sump and improved oil management, is sturdier, the top-end is more modern and efficient, and the clutch and gearbox have been revised. Add to this the changes to the steering geometry and the new, re-angled rear shocks and the V7 III seems to be nicely updated without having lost its unique nature. The styling is subjective.
Do you know if MG used the new 2 universal drive shaft and improved final drive unit from the V9 on the V7 III?
Bob
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Do you know if MG used the new 2 universal drive shaft and improved final drive unit from the V9 on the V7 III?
I haven't come across any mention of a revised final drive, and I have limited knowledge of this bike, so I wouldn't know just from looking at the pictures.
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Do you know if MG used the new 2 universal drive shaft and improved final drive unit from the V9 on the V7 III?
Bob
I believe Pete mentioned they did not in a post (maybe in a different thread).
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The top shock mounts are slightly farther aft on the V7III, which may account for the elongated redesign of the side covers, and the reservoir for the rear brake is now integrated with the foot controls. I still prefer the look of the older side covers, but newer designs tend to grow on me to the point where the older styles begin to have a dated look. I also find that the cylinders and the exhaust headers now appear oversized, but one moto-journo mentioned how it gave the impression of an overall sturdier package from the cockpit.
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After looking at the photos of the 2017 V7 III, I agree that it a fine looking retro machine ... but I was hoping for at least one updated CARC sport model from the engineering designers at Moto Guzzi.
As already anticipated, the only uncertainty at this EICMA was if they would have shown the new Stelvio, but only to start to sell it much later in 2017, or brought only the V7III and the upgrades of the V9, and show the new Stelvio directly at EICMA 2017.
Moto Guzzi's policy in the last years had been that of not showing something that was not ready to be put in production. The reneval of their best selling model was something important, and they didn't want something, that would not have been by the dealers in spring 2017 anyway, to overshadow it.
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Can someone id the third bike in - in the third photo. TIA
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Can someone id the third bike in - in the third photo. TIA
V7 Special with Moto Guzzi Garage accessories.
(https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14993373_1805242426417092_2012872395353681015_n.jpg?oh=f7dd64c135822c9d5af1e0efba7bf756&oe=5896BE7D)
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The V9 scrambler is a better fit for the funky shaped tank. I like it better than the scramblerized V7.
Headers look beefier on the III because they're dual walled.
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Definitely a bolder Scrambler design, although those of us like myself who own a V7II Scrambler will still love our bikes that can accommodate a passenger and use the classic tank style. ha!
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Of course, thank you Michael. Now if I can manage to save up some $ for a down payment. :laugh:
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That V9 Scrambler custom would be cool with a 21-inch front wheel...
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fresh from Eimca, not my vid so sorry about the music but otherwise enjoy....
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cPNZdvDSbts (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cPNZdvDSbts)
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That V9 Scrambler custom would be cool with a 21-inch front wheel...
So the v9 Scrambler is "show" special, and not a production bike? I agree, its looks way cool, and I think it would sell based on how bad ass it looks alone!
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I still like the original better. Fully functional front fender. The red/chrome tank is just beautiful. :drool: Maybe that is why I like the red Eldorado 1400......
(http://www.motorradonline.de/sixcms/media.php/11/thumbnails/345_Moto-Guzzi-V7-III-Anniversario_Modelljahr-2017_578.jpg.5465548.jpg)
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I still like the original better. Fully functional front fender. The red/chrome tank is just beautiful. :drool: Maybe that is why I like the red Eldorado 1400......
(http://www.motorradonline.de/sixcms/media.php/11/thumbnails/345_Moto-Guzzi-V7-III-Anniversario_Modelljahr-2017_578.jpg.5465548.jpg)
strangely if you look at the new v7 iii the special has a fully functioning front fender but no fork gators. the stone and racer have short fender but have gators?
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I want that seat off of a chrome bike!
Wonder if they'll be available to order and fi older models...
Otherwise, the blue is screaming my name. Black Stone is too much IMO.
I have a black '14 Stone and thought about powder coating headers and mufflers, but ruled against it... Gotta have some type of color balance.
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I want that seat off of a chrome bike!
Wonder if they'll be available to order and fit older models...
We may have to wait and see. If the seat height specs are true, then they've altered the top rails of the frame to lower the seat. The new V7 seats may not fit the older V7s.
Yeah. That blue V7 Special looks great!
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V9 Scrambler......"What'da you mean I can't do a wheelie???" Order up some u-joints.
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I want that chrome-tanked, leather-saddled anniversary edition. Dang it! Too many toys already. Must resist...
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strangely if you look at the new v7 iii the special has a fully functioning front fender but no fork gators. the stone and racer have short fender but have gators?
I don't get the FULLY FUNCTIONING comment.
What do you think the current smallblock front fenders aren't going to do?
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Fenders that come down further on the front wheel leave the motor cleaner and rider drier in the rain. I think that's what is being hinted at. I myself like fuller front fenders.
A good example is the Low Rider and Sportster front fenders. The older large front fenders with the chrome braces did a lot more in the way of keeping mud and water from the motor and rider. The newer style "short" fenders leave much to be desired in that regard. Hence the fully functioning comment.
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Fenders that come down further on the front wheel leave the motor cleaner and rider drier in the rain. I think that's what is being hinted at. I myself like fuller front fenders.
A good example is the Low Rider and Sportster front fenders. The older large front fenders with the chrome braces did a lot more in the way of keeping mud and water from the motor and rider. The newer style "short" fenders leave much to be desired in that regard. Hence the fully functioning comment.
I figured that is what is being put forth, and I accept that maybe the front of the motor remains marginally cleaner (even if I'm skeptical how significant that is), but the rider?
I can't say I ever really perceived a difference between my say RK or stock Jackal and my V7 or customized Jackal with short front fender.
I could obviously be wrong as I never particularly looked to see if there was a difference, but I seem to remember my legs getting a little wet and a little road grime on them from the full fender bikes as well.
I guess I just don't see that as significant.
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I think full fenders do make a difference in wet locations. I put them on my bicycles for that reason.
Before my Norge, I had a Triumph Thruxton. It had a small front fender, and I installed a FEK (fender elimination kit) at the rear. Man, it looked good! But riding it in the rain was a very messy business, because it is not just rain that hits you and your bike, it is all the crap (sometimes literally, as in horse or cow manure) that people dump or lose on the road as they tow their trailers...
I am about to install mud flaps on my luxo-barge sled for the same reason, even though they may look rather out of place.
I prefer the clean look of small fenders (or no fenders), but the functionality of full fenders is nice in the sloppy conditions we often have in the Pacific Northwest, especially outside the cities and in farm country.
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If they offered this as a whole package, I'd bite and trade in my current Racer.
(http://thumb.ibb.co/kujrYv/V7_IIIRacer.jpg) (http://ibb.co/kujrYv)
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That's some set of pipes you got there, Mr.
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I don't get the FULLY FUNCTIONING comment.
What do you think the current smallblock front fenders aren't going to do?
There is also the theory of the front tire kicking up nails/screws that then find their way into the rear tire. I have read that some people also put some type of mud flap in front of the rear tire to offer a bit more protection.
I just prefer the look of the full fenders and think they keep the engine a bit cleaner.
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Have one on the front fender of my Strada.
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Full fenders are not good, sometimes. :coffee:
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Penderic004/dirty%20guzzi_zpsfmksi7z5.jpg)
I had a front wheel jam up solid with packed mud (gumbo), on a Goldwing, in the middle of South Dakota!
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I dunno guys. You could be right, but I'm thinking it's mostly a small difference.
I mean a bicycle vs a Norge with a fairing, pretty big difference.
Debris for rear flats? I've only had two in something over 300k miles, and one was on a Jackal with a full front fender.
I mean I can see where no fender would be a mess, but full vs partial, I dunno. I'll keep my eyes on the different bikes we and our friends have and see what else I can observe.
That said I can see the argument for looks, though ironically I kinda like a slightly more abridged look too.
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It seems a few still wet behind the ears journos write about the direct lineage from the original V7 to the V7III. I do not concur. The original was a big block design with hemi heads. The current V7 evolved from the V35/V50 small block line with Heron heads. If I am wrong, please correct me.
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It seems a few still wet behind the ears journos write about the direct lineage from the original V7 to the V7III. I do not concur. The original was a big block design with hemi heads. The current V7 evolved from the V35/V50 small block line with Heron heads. If I am wrong, please correct me.
I think they're just referring to their first V Twin - the V700.
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I think they're just referring to their first V Twin - the V700.
yes, 50 years of v-twins.
Must say, I don't think we can complain, better than last years offerings, I like all the new v7iii except for the all matt black paint job on the stone but even stone has other colours the green looks best.
l would have expected the racer to be 850. imagine that might happen next year along with a real v9 scrambler/ some sensible v9 revisions?
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It seems a few still wet behind the ears journos write about the direct lineage from the original V7 to the V7III. I do not concur. The original was a big block design with hemi heads. The current V7 evolved from the V35/V50 small block line with Heron heads. If I am wrong, please correct me.
You're 100% correct, the lineage is to the original V50 not the big block V700.
I'm disappointed in Guzzi at EICMA - not interested in small blocks (I've had 3) and not interested in the 1400's. And can't imagine a Guzzexist.
(http://classic-motorbikes.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/13346.jpg)
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I dunno guys. You could be right, but I'm thinking it's mostly a small difference.
I mean a bicycle vs a Norge with a fairing, pretty big difference.
Debris for rear flats? I've only had two in something over 300k miles, and one was on a Jackal with a full front fender.
I mean I can see where no fender would be a mess, but full vs partial, I dunno. I'll keep my eyes on the different bikes we and our friends have and see what else I can observe.
That said I can see the argument for looks, though ironically I kinda like a slightly more abridged look too.
Fenders on bicycles make a huge difference-obviously nothing to do with active rain, but that isn't the issue. Most junk that gets on a bike of either sort is kicked up by the wheels.
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Fenders on bicycles make a huge difference-obviously nothing to do with active rain, but that isn't the issue. Most junk that gets on a bike of either sort is kicked up by the wheels.
Right, well, I was saying there is a huge difference between a naked bicycle and a sport touring motorcycle with full fairing. So much so there's little reason for them to be in the same conversation.
But even a pretty naked motorcycle still has a lot of surface area between the tire and rider regardless of the fender.
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Quote from: Yeahoo Whoyah on November 08, 2016, 11:32:18 AM
So then the V7II was a one year model in the USA?
Two. 2015/2016
In Europe, yes, but in the USA, the 2015 models were V7 and the 2016 were V7II, so "one and done" on the V7II.....which can be a good thing or a bad thing...
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I'm all for a factory mash-up. It's mostly cosmetics. Go to a dealer (if convenient whatever that is), or a factory website for those past where the buses run. Fill out a build sheet choosing what you like from each of the available V7 III models. What could be the big deal? You get very close to your dream? There could be happiness, uniqueness, jealousy and hate, but many more satisfied customers. MG would be 1st of any current manufacturer selling that kind of custom option mc for less than 50K. No?
BTW: Can we have a better front suspension. Fancy triple clamps do not improve handling. Good fortune, R3~
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I hope these sound good:
https://www.agostinimandello.com/single-post/2017/03/02/Silenziatori-V7III
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Has anyone tried the GT MOTOCYCLES V7 III 2-1 FULL SS EXHAUST SYSTEM?
It looks nice and I like the idea of a 2 into 1 that's not a scrambler evhaust
https://gtmotocycles.com/products/gt-motocycles-v7-iii-2-1-full-ss-exhaust-system (https://gtmotocycles.com/products/gt-motocycles-v7-iii-2-1-full-ss-exhaust-system)
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2548/2928/products/GTM-V7III-2-1-Brshd1_2000x.PNG?v=1552782569)