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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: atavar on November 15, 2016, 09:53:38 PM
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Well, in my quest to get away from cigarettes and on the advice of my doctor I have started vaping instead of smoking. In defense of my doctor he only suggested that after I admitted the only way I could quit smoking was if he put me in a coma for a month.
So far it is going great. Ten days now without owning any tobacco for the first time in a decade. Even with patches or gum or Chantex I always felt the need to keep a couple of emergency cigarettes but I don't feel that need with vaping.
For motorcycle content I can now get a nicotine fix at 80mph with gloves on. ;)
Yes, I know I am still addicted, but I am missing out on the worst of the pollutants, I don't cough while laying in bed any more and I am starting to get my wind back. Plus it is another tech toy to keep the geek in me happy. (http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm265/Atavar4/02CA44AC-D1E1-45B8-B8A9-7C5D11C74EBD_zps0cffimn4.jpg) (http://s298.photobucket.com/user/Atavar4/media/02CA44AC-D1E1-45B8-B8A9-7C5D11C74EBD_zps0cffimn4.jpg.html)
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I've been using one for a year now to offset my quitting cigars. Have gotten down to really low nicotine level.
The nice thing is that now when I "light up" in the car my wife doesn't choke on the fumes :)
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I smoked for over 40 years. ( gave up countless times ) I've now been vaping for two years, I think it has saved my life.... The thing that surprised me is that now I can regulate the nicotine I have discovered that I don't need the nicotine, in fact I don't even like it !............. I just like sucking vanilla custard flavour steam with my vapor, it's my nipple substitute :grin:
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I've been on it for a little more than 2 month's, so far so good, this is the last resort to quitting, nothing else I tried ever made me think I could quit. I'm on the right path finally :bike-037:
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Three years for me.
Not sure I'd like to vape whilst riding - I'd be scared of dropping my (very expensive) kit.
Good on you all who have found the light!
Cheers
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I have a friend who has been vaping for a couple of years. He told me that vaping has serious risks not the least of which is something called "popcorn lung" . He is trying to quit vaping and finding it very hard. I quit smoking about ten years ago, cold turkey, glad that vaping wasn't an option for me then. I have a very addictive personality, I'm sure I would have been hooked. Good luck to all you quitters how ever you are trying.
Brian
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According to British studies vaping is 95% less harmful than smoking and I can well believe that.
I feel 100% better because of it. The car don't stink the house don't stink, I don't get out of breath, the old woman is happy, and it saves me a fortune.
The tobacco companies hate it :)
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/28/health/e-cigarettes-vaping-quitting-smoking-royal-college-of-physicians.html?_r=0
Taking a stance sharply at odds with most American public health officials, a major British medical organization urged smokers to switch to electronic cigarettes....
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Good on you. I quit smoking march of 2014 when I broke my back. Started Vaping and tapered down 1mg every refill. Voila, since may 2015, no vape. Over 1.5 years since nicotine and I love it. You'll get there.
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What is point of giving up vaping ? I love it, I don't want to give it up !
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What is point of giving up vaping ? I love it, I don't want to give it up !
All the fun drug addictions are like that - as long as your body and mind tolerate it, and it's worth the price to you, carry on.
I miss nicotine, used to smoke a pipe. I can't inhale, body won't put up with it, and I'm so sensitive that a couple of puffs and I'm buzzed on what soaks in through my mouth.
Nicotine is a good drug for focus and writing, but bad for my blood pressure, so there goes another fun one. But vaping can't be good for your lungs, even if it's better than smoking. We'll see, the long term study data should become available soon.
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All the fun drug addictions are like that - as long as your body and mind tolerate it, and it's worth the price to you, carry on.
I miss nicotine, used to smoke a pipe. I can't inhale, body won't put up with it, and I'm so sensitive that a couple of puffs and I'm buzzed on what soaks in through my mouth.
Nicotine is a good drug for focus and writing, but bad for my blood pressure, so there goes another fun one. But vaping can't be good for your lungs, even if it's better than smoking. We'll see, the long term study data should become available soon.
I don't vape drugs, I vape vanilla custard, it's a flavor not a drug.
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He told me that vaping has serious risks not the least of which is something called "popcorn lung".
I hadn't heard that term, but I did some reading and remembered hearing about the toxic effect from breathing the fumes from microwave popcorn. Now apparently it happens from flavored nicotine blends intended for vaping. I guess I'll stick to putting air in my lungs, even though that's not always entirely safe.
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I hadn't heard that term, but I did some reading and remembered hearing about the toxic effect from breathing the fumes from microwave popcorn. Now apparently it happens from flavored nicotine blends intended for vaping. I guess I'll stick to putting air in my lungs, even though that's not always entirely safe.
Why does EVERYONE suggest vaping consists of inhaling nicotine ?
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Vaping does not require nicotine, but *can* involve nicotine. The juice I am using contains 12ml of nicotine (1.2%).
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I don't vape drugs, I vape vanilla custard, it's a flavor not a drug.
I was not aware that people would vape for other reasons than drug delivery. I know there's both nicotine and cannabis vaporizing substances available - you mean ALL you are getting from this is a flavor and some glycerine carrier ?
Pardon me for being skeptical, but does the process make you happier, or feel better? Do you desire it if you have not done it for a while?
UPDATE: I reviewed your posts above, it sounds as though you went past the nicotine issues and are now just enjoying the vape itself? Well that's a good thing, and if you're getting the satisfaction of the smoking habit without the nicotine then your body is probably happier. I still miss a pipe now and again though...
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The thread title is Bike vapor. Are you vaporizing your bike and sucking it into your lungs?
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Why does EVERYONE suggest vaping consists of inhaling nicotine ?
I never said it always does. On the other hand, most people I know who do it are doing it to get doses of nicotine.
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I was not aware that people would vape for other reasons than drug delivery. I know there's both nicotine and cannabis vaporizing substances available - you mean ALL you are getting from this is a flavor and some glycerine carrier ?
Pardon me for being skeptical, but does the process make you happier, or feel better? Do you desire it if you have not done it for a while?
UPDATE: I reviewed your posts above, it sounds as though you went past the nicotine issues and are now just enjoying the vape itself? Well that's a good thing, and if you're getting the satisfaction of the smoking habit without the nicotine then your body is probably happier. I still miss a pipe now and again though...
Yes I enjoy the vape, now that I have discovered the flavor I like. I have not had to give up anything really. I stopped coughing a long time ago. I recently took a stress test and passed with flying colors. The doctor could hardly believe I smoked for 40+ years.
Not all vaping is the same, when atavar puffs on his vaping mod it must be like a bomb going off due to the size of his mouth piece. Mine gives me a concentrated jet of vapor with very little " smoke ".
See the difference... (https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15085512_1711071592543571_7147530528071269843_n.jpg?oh=28c57c530406b017b43ea87c8180d2dc&oe=58870E2C)
I don't think I was ever really addicted to nicotine , I just thought I was.
You might like this....
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTkjV19_BM7VgcVb0xTj85yvgwQDjJZPjBYJoapTF8thZNFwfA8ng)
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"The tobacco companies hate it".
As I understamd Reynolds tobacco was or is in on the bapor products development and manufacture.
"Popcorn lung" ...I have heard emphysema descibed as such.
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"The tobacco companies hate it".
As I understamd Reynolds tobacco was or is in on the bapor products development and manufacture.
"Popcorn lung" ...I have heard emphysema descibed as such.
The Chinese have the market more or less covered. I believe the Chinese pioneered it.
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I have different tips, but I find I like the big chuffing tip. I have to suck too hard on the skinny ones.. lol
Not all vaping is the same, when atavar puffs on his vaping mod it must be like a bomb going off due to the size of his mouth piece. Mine gives me a concentrated jet of vapor with very little " smoke ".
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I have different tips, but I find I like the big chuffing tip. I have to suck too hard on the skinny ones.. lol
That's the nice thing about vaping, you can make it how it exactly how it suits you, beats cigs any day.
PS, I like sucking hard, it's my nipple substitute. I like nipples a lot, especially safe cracking.
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Yes, there can be harmful side effects, especially from some of the 'flavors'. Most are "approved" to be eaten, not sucked into the lungs. Cinnamon was one that had some nasty effects. Yes, breathing the 'smoked' vegetable oil may have some long term effects, but, from what I have seen is no where near as harmful as the tar in cig smoke.
Me? I always smoked cigars and pipes, never sucked the stuff into my lungs.
If you haven't been addicted to anything it won't make sense to you.
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The Chinese have the market more or less covered. I believe the Chinese pioneered it.
"Smoking of opium came on the heels of tobacco smoking and may have been encouraged by a brief ban on the smoking of tobacco by the Ming emperor. The prohibition ended in 1644 with the coming of the Qing dynasty, which encouraged smokers to mix in increasing amounts of opium" Opium - Wikipedia.
Consider it, the return of a favor. Opium use was maintained enforced on the Chinese people via the Opium War 1 & 2. The revenue that the British Empire made was too much for them to give up.
So they're making money off tobacco/smoking products. Kind of ironic.
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The thread title is Bike vapor. Are you vaporizing your bike and sucking it into your lungs?
No. He's sucking off the mufflers. :grin: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
If it helps you guys to get off tobacco smoking. :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
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Why do I have a mental image of John Cleese sticking one end of a straw in his nose , and the other end in a custard ? :shocked: :rolleyes: :laugh:
Dusty
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Based on the distance I'll ride to find a good portugeuse custard tart, flan, or plain old vanilla custard tart, custard surely is a drug to me! :grin:
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Part of the addiction is the habit of doing something that's familiar. That's why there's bubble gum in a tobacco pouch shredded or this stuff. http://smokeymountainsnuff.com/ (disclaimer SPAM alert) I have no connection with them just putting this up as an alternative to smoking and chew. There are non tobacco snuff too.
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To be fair the bad effects of smoking were noted hundreds of years ago....but ignored. Then in WW2 some doctors did a study of U-boat men and noted the lung cancer link...but obviously they were ignored. It to Dr Doll's study, painstakingly manually analysis and publishing I'm the BMJ before people really got a clue.
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Might be worth me thinking about to help get over that edge.
How much does one of reasonable quality cost? And just what
Do you use with it?
Enquiring minds and all that ..........
Maurie.
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Try taking two of these. Might help some of ya!
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Penderic004/bike%20pills_zpsawypmgcz.jpg)
:grin:
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I wish anyone the best when trying to quit. So good luck! Your friends and family will be better off for it. Speaking from experience.
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Might be worth me thinking about to help get over that edge.
How much does one of reasonable quality cost? And just what
Do you use with it?
Enquiring minds and all that ..........
Maurie.
$100 should get you a decent vaping mod. I like Vapers Choice vanilla custard. You will not need a lot of nicotine to replicate a normal cigarette.. 09 or 06 will be about the same. Starting out is the hardest part, get different flavours and strengths to try.
Vaping is like giving up smoking without giving up anything. :)
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Its exactly like smoking where you are routinely administering a foreign substance to your body to form or continue a habit and/or addictive behavior.
Vaping is asinine at best.
Another expert who obviously never tried it :rolleyes: And you even post on a motorcycle forum !
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It's called "harm reduction". Is it harmless? No Way. Is it less harmful than tobacco smoke? Yes, absolutely. I use the juice (flavorless) and have no real strong desire to go back to cigs. Yes it is substance addiction, which is an EASY trap to fall into and people have very differing abilities to kick it. Cigarettes are well documented as the hardest thing for some people (some of us) to quit. One of the most wrenching things I read was a US POW in a Japanese WWII camp who watched more than a few comrades die because they traded their skimpy rations and other things for the slightest hint of tobacco to smoke. It's at best, HARD to quit those devil sticks, and some people have a MUCH harder (or impossible) time than others. It's not moral failure, it's an all too human physical propensity to addiction. I was on painkillers for a few months (some twenty years back) but two weeks into them, was waking up in the middle of the night from withdrawel, not pain. It's that easy. I'm all for the vapes for cig smokers, but have solid ideas on how they should be sold, which is another topic.
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It's called "harm reduction". Is it harmless? No Way. Is it less harmful than tobacco smoke? Yes, absolutely. I use the juice (flavorless) and have no real strong desire to go back to cigs. Yes it is substance addiction, which is an EASY trap to fall into and people have very differing abilities to kick it. Cigarettes are well documented as the hardest thing for some people (some of us) to quit. One of the most wrenching things I read was a US POW in a Japanese WWII camp who watched more than a few comrades die because they traded their skimpy rations and other things for the slightest hint of tobacco to smoke. It's at best, HARD to quit those devil sticks, and some people have a MUCH harder (or impossible) time than others. It's not moral failure, it's an all too human physical propensity to addiction. I was on painkillers for a few months (some twenty years back) but two weeks into them, was waking up in the middle of the night from withdrawel, not pain. It's that easy. I'm all for the vapes for cig smokers, but have solid ideas on how they should be sold, which is another topic.
Do you have nicotine in you juice ?
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For motorcycle content I can now get a nicotine fix at 80mph with gloves on. ;)
That reminds me of a device called a "No-smoke Toker" which made it possible to smoke (or toke) while riding a motorcycle. Me and some fellow motorcycle buddies from high-school once tried one during a ride to a free outdoor concert in the Gatineau Hills. We even passed it from bike to bike. What a hoot! Those were carefree days.
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Had my last cig July 2013 and have been vaping since. I use a v-pen and buy velvet cloud juice. It's 100% organic vegetable glycerin.
I'm a bit wary about most of the juice that has propylene glycol.
After 2 years I was down to 0.0% nicotine, and now I don't vape all that much either.
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I've been smoking a pack a day for almost 40 years. It is NASTY, EXPENSIVE and STUPID. I do not hack or cough. I have quit cold-turkey for over a year and I have also tried to vape. After a couple of months of vaping, I started to hack and have lung issues, so I went back to smoking, just don't trust the stuff and not enough info out there to say it is safe.
I am psyching myself up to quit cold turkey before I turn 50. I am starting to get winded easily and I have always known how stupid it is, maybe it's time that I grow up!!
Regards,
Jeff
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What people ingest is their own business. What concerns me more is 2nd hand smoke contamination. There are varying levels of harmful components released upon en exhale, but way fewer than cigarettes, cigars, or pipes. Also, when the vape is dangling from your hand, it isn't smoking. So there are certain positives. I'll enjoy a cigar or pipe occasionally, but, as least as far as tobacco, I can quit anytime and do so often, even though I have had my addicted periods in the past to other substances (which shall remain nameless).
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just don't trust the stuff and not enough info out there to say it is safe.
What info do you have that says riding motorcycles is safe ?.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/28/health/e-cigarettes-vaping-quitting-smoking-royal-college-of-physicians.html?_r=0
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Fact is, putting anything in your lungs other than air will not be good, long term.
Tobacco smoke
Coal dust
Regular old dirty dust
Campfire smoke
And yes, vapors from e-cigs.
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What info do you have that says riding motorcycles is safe?
I don't remember saying motorcycles were safe.
Regards,
Jeff
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Just curious , anyone here familiar with the term reformed whore ?
Dusty
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I remember an ad that said something like " 8 out of 10 doctors who smoke , smoke ........ brand of cigarettes " . We knew it wasn't good for us , but didn't know how bad .
My friend Paul didn't quit til they opened him up for heart surgery . He can't walk to the bathroom without running out of breath .
He says that smoking killed him , he's just not dead yet . Didn't give it much thought when we were young .
After smoking for 25 years it took me about 12 years to quit for good . What finally did it for me was that it was revealed that a tobacco company had been adding nicotine to the tobacco in their cigarettes ; to keep smokers addicted . That made it easier for me .
Whatever works , more power to you . Seems we're forced to breathe plenty of stuff floating around in the air .
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When I gave up tobacco I used a gift that each of us have but few choose to use...Will Power! No need to for anything else and no need to start another stupid habit like vaping that mimics smoking so you never truly break the habit. You keep letting that crutch prop your up and suck on that electric dick as much as you like but please don't make it out to be a magical experience or that anything positive can come from it.
Mind power is something I am well familiar with, it is my speciality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gluykZOYboo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gluykZOYboo)
I gave up nicotine long ago , but I like vaping and intend to continue despite objections from the nanny brigade :)
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I don't remember saying motorcycles were safe.
Regards,
Jeff
If they are not safe then why do you ride ?
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Just curious , anyone here familiar with the term reformed whore ?
Dusty
Yeah. But, I didn't believe her...
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I've been smoking a pack a day for almost 40 years. It is NASTY, EXPENSIVE and STUPID. I do not hack or cough. I have quit cold-turkey for over a year and I have also tried to vape. After a couple of months of vaping, I started to hack and have lung issues, so I went back to smoking, just don't trust the stuff and not enough info out there to say it is safe.
I am psyching myself up to quit cold turkey before I turn 50. I am starting to get winded easily and I have always known how stupid it is, maybe it's time that I grow up!!
Regards,
Jeff
Keep up trying Jeff, it can be done and you will feel much better once it gets out of your system .
My wife used to nag me to stop which helped me kick the habit.
I spent a year in the Antarctic and the NZ government gave us free cigarettes and cheap booze down there. That was back In the seventies & Times have changed ..hardly anyone smokes here now.
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Might be worth me thinking about to help get over that edge.
How much does one of reasonable quality cost? And just what
Do you use with it?
Enquiring minds and all that ..........
Maurie.
I use a 'Joy Etech io' and the pen costs under $40 bucks (amazon)... Like sunglasses or lighters, I don't believe in getting an expensive one because it's probably going to get dropped/broken/lost. My GF got me into it and she has had some spendy 'mods' and vape setups.... she likes mine so much better she occasionally puts hers down and asks to vape mine.
At my local vape shop a USA made 30ml bottle of 12mg nicotine strength costs about $22 and lasts me a week... Once I settled on my preferred flavor, I order 120ml direct from the company for $50 w/free shipping.
Only other expense are coils, and I buy 5 for about $25 which last me 1.5-2mos (tho others with the same vape have reported using the same coild for months<albiet with poor result>)
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Okay,
Thanks for that, More thinking needed.
May patch it again and use this as a extra if I start slipping.
Maurie.
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I chewed a pack+ per day of Redman Golden Blend for the last 20 years... quit several times for periods of 3 days to up to 11mos but never full kicked it; and even when I quit for almost a year~ I craved it every day.
I tried the gum, cold turkey, and neither worked for me.
My girlfriend is only 25 but she smoked from age 14 til she was 23 when she switched to vaping.
Sure it's not as safe as *not vaping* but I grew up and lived my while life with smokers and now 2+ years with a vaper... I've seen the two side by side. There is no coughing, hacking, morning phlegm, lingering stank, shortness of breath, wheezing, yellow fingers, overflowing ashtrays, etc..
I like my ex-smoker GF vaping instead because she can choose one puff or 20, no committing to a whole or half cigarette. It's a lot cheaper, u can sneak a smoke inside at work or in the bathroom and it doesn't stink.
Also I have great teeth from natural genetics and vaping isn't yellowing my teeth or making my gums recede the way chaw was.
I still smoke my ganga almost daily but I feel better vaping than I did chewing tobacco.
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Keep up trying Jeff, it can be done and you will feel much better once it gets out of your system .
My wife used to nag me to stop which helped me kick the habit.
I spent a year in the Antarctic and the NZ government gave us free cigarettes and cheap booze down there. That was back In the seventies & Times have changed ..hardly anyone smokes here now.
Please don't tell anyone committed to giving up smoking to keep up trying. Try is a negative word that implies failure.
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Please don't tell anyone committed to giving up smoking to keep up trying. Try is a negative word that implies failure.
It is that.
Aside from Yoda's "DO! or do not. There is no try!"
I like the football coach's response when his offensive center was getting run over on every play. "Jones! Go in there and sub for Smith; he's getting killed out there!" Jones jumps up and says "I'll try, coach!". Coach says "Sit back down, son; I've already got someone trying ...."
Lannis
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It is that.
Aside from Yoda's "DO! or do not. There is no try!"
I like the football coach's response when his offensive center was getting run over on every play. "Jones! Go in there and sub for Smith; he's getting killed out there!" Jones jumps up and says "I'll try, coach!". Coach says "Sit back down, son; I've already got someone trying ...."
Lannis
It's known as Neuro Linguistic Programming, or NLP, it's used a lot in hypnosis.
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Please don't tell anyone committed to giving up smoking to keep up trying. Try is a negative word that implies failure.
Sigh
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Buncha contrarian old assholes in here lol I love it
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If they are not safe then why do you ride ?
Because I like it.
I'm not sure what your beef is. I related my experiences and opinions about vaping and smoking and all of a sudden you are portraying me as a safety Nazi. Hope your day/life brightens up a bit!!
Regards,
Jeff
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Because I like it.
I'm not sure what your beef is. I related my experiences and opinions about vaping and smoking and all of a sudden you are portraying me as a safety Nazi. Hope your day/life brightens up a bit!!
Regards,
Jeff
I don't know what you are moaning about Jeff, I only asked why you ride motorcycles FFS !
As it happens you are very much like me, you ride bikes because you like it, and I vape because I like it, neither are 100% safe. ..... I am not suggesting that you are a safety Nazi, just a hypocrite :smiley:
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How in hell did a thread about vaping turn contentious :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked
Ease up fellas , thanks .
Dusty
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I recently starting vaping in order to quit smoking, and so far, so good. I finally found the perfect combination of the "mod box" and tank that work for me. I did find it quite annoying at the vape shops, as they just want to sell you the components that make the largest vape clouds. I just wanted something small and simple because I made a bad life decision as a teen. Since I started vaping, 3 of my friends also started, which made quitting smoking that much easier.
It's also nice this time of year that I now don't have to step outside in freezing weather for 5 minutes to inhale some burning leaves.
Ken
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Saw the weather news. My condolences to those in the north getting the cold weather. :tongue:
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How in hell did a thread about vaping turn contentious :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked
Ease up fellas , thanks .
Dusty
He says just don't trust the stuff and not enough info out there to say it is safe. yet he rides motorcycles knowing they are not safe and cause far more deaths than vaping ever could. I do not think he liked me pointing that out.
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I recently starting vaping in order to quit smoking, and so far, so good. I finally found the perfect combination of the "mod box" and tank that work for me. I did find it quite annoying at the vape shops, as they just want to sell you the components that make the largest vape clouds. I just wanted something small and simple because I made a bad life decision as a teen. Since I started vaping, 3 of my friends also started, which made quitting smoking that much easier.
It's also nice this time of year that I now don't have to step outside in freezing weather for 5 minutes to inhale some burning leaves.
Ken
I predict you will never smoke again :thumb:
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A little NLP there :grin:
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Way too early this Winter season to start calling each other out , I suggest you guys save some of this vitriol for the really cold weather . Otherwise , what the hell are ya gonna have to keep you warm when it gets REALLY cold . Get it ?
Dusty
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Is this scientific fact or conjecture?
I would suggest that it is factual.
Make up your own mind.........
....Motorcycle death statistics
Death statistics[edit]
Between 1966 and 2008, the NHTSA estimated 148 thousand people died in motorcycle accidents.[35]
In 2013, 6% percent of the fatalities were passengers (non-operator) of the total deaths that year for motorcycles 4,688.[36]
In 2010 motorcycle accident fatalities accounted for 14% of all accident fatalities.[37] It was also 14% in 2008.[35] In 2008, 47% of fatal accidents were with another vehicle, and of those 77% involved a head-on collision with a motorcycle and in 7% the motorcycle was struck from behind.[35] 59% of those killed were wearing a helmet, which were estimated to give a 37% increased chance of overall survival and reduction in the chance of a head injury;helmet use has been the subject of various studies and laws
Statistics 1994 to 2014[edit]
Annual U.S. motorcycle deaths since 1994[12]
Year
Deaths
Injuries
1994
2,320
1995
2,227
1996
2,161
1997
2,116
1998
2,294 49,000[35]
1999
2,483 50,000[35]
2000
2,897 58,000[35]
2001
3,197† 60,000[35]
2002
3,244 65,000[35]
2003
3,661‡ 76,000[35]
2004
4,028 76,000[35]
2005
4,576 87,000[35]
2006
4,837 88,000[35]
2007
5,174 103,000[35]
2008
5,312 (5,290) 96,000[35]
2009
4,462 (4,469)[37] 90,000[37]
2010
4,502 82,000[37]
2011
4,612 (4,403)[2] 81,000[38]
2012
4,695 [2] 93,000[36]
2013
4,402[2] 4,688[36] 88,000[36]
2014
4,295[2] 92,000[36]
† some NHTSA lists show 3,181
‡ some NHTSA lists show 3,714
20th century statistics[edit]
Annual U.S. motorcycle deaths 1975-2001[2][12]
Year
Deaths
1975
3,106
1976
3,232
1977
4,004
1978
4,448
1979
4,712
1980
4,955
1981
4,737
1982
4,267
1983
4,099
1984
4,425
1985
4,415
1986
4,309
1987
3,832
1988
3,491
1989
3,030
1990
3,128
1991
2,702
1992
2,291
1993
2,346
1994
2,320 (IIHS 2,215)
1995
2,227
1996
2,161
1997
2,116
1998
2,294
1999
2,483
2000
2,897
2001
3,197
Vaping death statistics
0 :grin:
Why no deaths thus far, some may muse skeptically? Simple. Vaping does not produce any of that lung-clogging tar, nor the suffocating carbon monoxide that is a by-product of tobacco smoking. And when it comes to toxins – carcinogens included – the trace amounts produced by e-cigarettes are the same ones as those present in medicinally-licensed patches and nicotine gum.
We back this through credible evidence you can take a few minutes to skim through:
•Should e-cigarettes be regulated as a medicinal device?
•Electronic cigarettes – miracle or menace?
•E-cigarettes and the rise of the vapers: Can there really be smoke without fire?
How Safe is Nicotine?
When quizzed by the BBC on the health effects of nicotine, Professor Peter Hayek answered quite plainly:
[it is] very similar to drinking coffee.
The thing with e-cigarettes is that it can be very difficult to inhale amounts that can be considered dangerous. This is because it would give the user – vaper or smoker – a nauseating feeling long before it reaches a point of harming them.
The amount of nicotine one inhales is dictated by the depth of each breath. There are few logical ways you can get nicotine into your system as fast as through breathing it in. It’s one reason many smokers struggle with ‘medicinal’ sources of nicotine (patches, gum et al). Anyone who has used gum will admit the length of time it takes to peak in the system. What they’ll also tell you is that the delayed gratification aside, it can give you nausea when too much of it has been absorbed.
So, are Vapor Cigs Safe?
There are several reasons people worry about nicotine being a drug. Ignorance is one, bad science is another.
By the latter we mean a discredited research project that was published as far back as 1858 that bodies like the European Union still go by to date. The EU wants to ban e-cigs with more than 20mg of nicotine in them, despite the fact that scientists have demonstrated time and again that the said nic content produces just a third of the nicotine a regular cigarette does.
And of course, there is always the addiction element – another reason people worry about nicotine.
is vaping safe
What about Passive Vaping?
Is vaping safer than smoking in terms of second-hand vapor/smoke?
There are no vapers who have died from vaping since it came about, neither has there been any reported incidence of death caused by passive vaping.
http://vapersoul.com/more-about-vaping/is-vaping-safe/?v=f24485ae434a
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How many Moto Guzzi riders drink coffee ?
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How many Moto Guzzi riders drink coffee ?
Yes, you can get a nasty lap burn from that if you're not careful.
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Is the thread title a play on words ? What does substance addiction have to do with bikes, should there not have been a NGC warning attached ?
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The title refers to being able to vape while riding without fear of burning embers getting in your eyes :)
I do love reformed people, no matter what it is they used to do. Cigs, alcohol, riding motorcycles, driving fast, skydiving, etc, etc, etc.
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Is the thread title a play on words ? What does substance addiction have to do with bikes, should there not have been a NGC warning attached ?
Vaping does not indicate substance addiction. It is however a very good way of curing nicotine addiction.
Many vapors including myself do not vape any addictive substances.
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First time I've heard anyone self-define as a "vapor" :shocked: :laugh:
Dusty
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First time I've heard anyone self-define as a "vapor" :shocked: :laugh:
Dusty
Is it grammatically incorrect ?
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Is it grammatically incorrect ?
No idea , we keep adding terms to the English language , vapeing isn't even a word .
Dusty
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Yes, you can get a nasty lap burn from that if you're not careful.
I got a lap burn but that was from the wife when we were dating and........uh....ne ver mind....... :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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There are no vapers who have died from vaping since it came about, neither has there been any reported incidence of death caused by passive vaping.
First, Let me suggest that you are trying way too hard. I simply stated my experience with vaping. Are you a little thin-skinned?
Second, your stats are absolutely meaningless. How many deaths were attributed to smoking in the many decades before the data/knowledge was available that would link the two?
Third, the choice to smoke/vape and to ride motorcycles are absolutely not related in any way, shape or form. You should take a look at this website https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ before you strut around here like you have proven some kind of point.
anybody ever tried playing chess with a pigeon? http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Pigeon_chess
Regards,
Jeff
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First, Let me suggest that you are trying way too hard. I simply stated my experience with vaping. Are you a little thin-skinned?
Second, your stats are absolutely meaningless. How many deaths were attributed to smoking in the many decades before the data/knowledge was available that would link the two?
Third, the choice to smoke/vape and to ride motorcycles are absolutely not related in any way, shape or form. You should take a look at this website https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ before you strut around here like you have proven some kind of point.
anybody ever tried playing chess with a pigeon? http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Pigeon_chess
Regards,
Jeff
I'm simply discussing my experiences with vaping while answering your questions.
Sorry you got butt hurt, but I don't believe even a delicate snow flake can't see that different forms of enjoyment are related.
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Putting this to bed guys , nothing more to be gained from what has become a whoo haw waving contest .
Dusty