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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Gliderjohn on November 17, 2016, 07:34:46 PM
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I have yet to find a road in Oklahoma that i would want to go 208mph on in anything.
http://www.newson6.com/story/33725172/chase-suspect-arrested-for-driving-208-mph-on-kilpatrick-turnpike
GliderJohn
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My money says the speed estimate is off.
Sort of like the 205 mph sport bike in Wisconsin a decade ago.
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My money says the speed estimate is off.
Sort of like the 205 mph sport bike in Wisconsin a decade ago.
I think that was in my State, Minnesota.. along the Mississippi MN side..
"One possibility is that the pilot got it all horribly wrong and pressed the stopwatch at the wrong time. Apparently the pilot managed to clock both Tilley and his accompanying friend (booked for 111mph on an MV Agusta F4i) at the same time, using two stopwatches - while flying a plane. This suggests that error is one distinct possibility."
http://newatlas.com/go/3314/
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I doubt there are many 208 mph 2011 Mustangs. I think radar might be calibrated up to 100 mph but I have big doubts if that brick would go more than 155 mph. With $10k in mods maybe 175.
200+? really? hardly.
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Geez , I am not a car guy but am aware that a 2011 and later Mustang 500 GT with the blower will run like 190 from the factory . In these days of 800 HP street engines over 200 on fairly tall gearing would be fairly normal .
Dusty
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Yep. Power isn't really the problem. The aftermarket is full of hop-up stuff for them.
It's the gearing. The gearing required to top 200 mph would not be fun in normal driving on the streeet. Way too tall...
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I don't believe those cars can make the power to run 200 mph, not 180 IMO.
But Rock, remember, 6 speed manuals do have double overdrive trannies (50% ratio), so gearing might not be a problem.
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Yeah. Power and gearing. Lots of both.
I still think it's a bad reading.
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You guys need to catch up .
Dusty
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The car was highly modified.
Read.
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I don't buy it.
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I know the FL Straight Pooper that nabbed me on 60 (Gulf to Bay) on the Pinellas side of the bridge was hauling ass when he reeled in my modded '74 Z1 after changing directions from the other lane...
That was an '86 Mustang running a dual 4 barrel 351 and he stated he hit 170 catching up to me.
I believe him.
That was '86. I can see a modded '11 hitting 200+.
After some moto conversation and a look under his hood he wrote me up for 70 in a 55. Just a normal ticket.
He was a bit more than feisty tho from the get go. Said he clocked me at 138. My buddy on an '83 GS1100E saw him before I did, backed it down, and walked away $100 richer... :sad:
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A Quality Tech that works for me has a 2010 Mustang GT. He is currently building it for the strip and has told me you can buy off the shelf kits to pump it up to over 800 HP, just on the engine. If the kid was a serious clubber, I am included to believe it's possible to get 200+ out of it.
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I know the FL Straight Pooper that nabbed me on 60 (Gulf to Bay) on the Pinellas side of the bridge was hauling ass when he reeled in my modded '74 Z1 after changing directions from the other lane...
That was an '86 Mustang running a dual 4 barrel 351 and he stated he hit 170 catching up to me.
I believe him.
That was '86. I can see a modded '11 hitting 200+.
After some moto conversation and a look under his hood he wrote me up for 70 in a 55. Just a normal ticket.
He was a bit more than feisty tho from the get go. Said he clocked me at 138. My buddy on an '83 GS1100E saw him before I did, backed it down, and walked away $100 richer... :sad:
FL Straight Pooper ? You mean State Police? Stock 86 Mustang's largest engine was a 302 rated at about 225 HP and reamined that engine into the 90's, maybe 140 MPH If you mean State Police, then they were hot rodding their pursuit cars with engine swaps?
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Quote from fotoguzzi:
"One possibility is that the pilot got it all horribly wrong and pressed the stopwatch at the wrong time. Apparently the pilot managed to clock both Tilley and his accompanying friend (booked for 111mph on an MV Agusta F4i) at the same time, using two stopwatches - while flying a plane. This suggests that error is one distinct possibility."
Years back a KS HP plane landed at our glider port to pick up a VIP which never showed. While the trooper was waiting he showed and demonstrated the clocking equipment. He said he could routinely clock six cars and fly the plane. It was not simply holding a stopwatch by any means.
GliderJohn
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I have a hard time believing he ran 200 mph. Even harder to believe that he accelerated from 170 to 200 in relatively short distance. That is a city turnpike and not that long.
200 is a huge number and the aero on a mustang is a brick.
regardless whether 170 or 200 I wouldn't go very far that speed..... BLOW OUT
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2012 mustang drag coefficent .35 .2012 corvette .34 . Brick ?
Dusty
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I have a hard time believing he ran 200 mph. Even harder to believe that he accelerated from 170 to 200 in relatively short distance. That is a city turnpike and not that long.
200 is a huge number and the aero on a mustang is a brick.
regardless whether 170 or 200 I wouldn't go very far that speed..... BLOW OUT
You have to remember the man-rules.
How fast my car is.
How many women I've had.
How big was the fish I caught.
A man will lie about these things when the truth would be more useful.
Aerodynamics would make this one invalid.
TIMING SLIPS OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN!
Lannis
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You have to remember the man-rules.
How fast my car is.
How many women I've had.
How big was the fish I caught.
A man will lie about these things when the truth would be more useful.
Aerodynamics would make this one invalid.
TIMING SLIPS OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN!
Add in motorcycle speedometers that indicate about 10% high, just to help fuel the 'facts'.....
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So the Okie Trooper is lieing as is his Lidar ?
Dusty
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State Police, hot rodding their pursuit cars with engine swaps?
I guess some departments did that in the 1980s when the cars were such dogs.
Some Arkansas State Troopers were running 454s in thier Caprice patrol cars. They were pretty fast, for the time...
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I guess some departments did that in the 1980s when the cars were such dogs.
Some Arkansas State Troopers were running 454s in their Caprice patrol cars. They were pretty fast, for the time...
I would need to see proof of that, got any ? :wink:. I can believe a local sheriff having a hot rod .. The 86 Mustang Police Package featured the first fuel injected 302...As fast as most cars back then...
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During part of the mid to late 70s many Kansas Trooper cars were the Caprice with the 454. Remember that was the era of about the lowest output motors in modern times and the cars were huge. I visited with a trooper at the time and he said his Caprice loaded with the usual equipment would top out in the mid 90s.
GliderJohn
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The big block engine was discontinued when the Impala was down sized in 1977...... While police cars are being discussed, the this info may be of interest. The Michigan state police have been track testing patrol cars for many years...some of the cars are surprisingly fast for what they are.. The NY State police seem to use a lot of Chevy Tahoe's.........
http://www.michigan.gov/msp/0,4643,7-123--16274--,00.html (http://www.michigan.gov/msp/0,4643,7-123--16274--,00.html)
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I believe a car can do that speed, but I wouldn't expect to be able to keep it on the road for any period of time.
Around 1980 when I was turbocharging motorhomes and pickups with off the shelf kits (prior to such being factory) I spoke with a CHP officer who said they'd tried that with their cruisers but kept blowing them up.
Disclaimer: Randy Walls was the brains of the operation, I was just another set of hands.
http://www.dragracingonline.com/agent1320/2009/1320-xi_4-44.html
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Don't know if they still have them but maybe 10-12 yrs ago I had the pleasure of spotting one of KHP's camaros. Rolling east on us54 west of Kingman. Spotted a sports car in my mirrors and noticed it was too plain and seemed unusual. The car passed me at a passing lane and that's when I saw it was a KHP. No external lights, just a few antenna on rear and simple paint and decal. I stopped in Goddard and he just happened to be there. Asked how fast will it go? He replied, No comment.
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2012 mustang drag coefficent .35 .2012 corvette .34 . Brick ?
Dusty
Downforce causes drag. So Cd isn't the only factor. You could have a low Cd and the damn car take off like a 777 because you have too much lift.
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2012 mustang drag coefficent .35 .2012 corvette .34 . Brick ?
Dusty
I doubt the Coex numbers.
But then the Mustang is still a good 1/4 to 1/3 more frontal area.
But I know the '12 ZR-1 won't run 208 mph and it's factory engineered with 650 hp.
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The big block engine was discontinued when the Impala was down sized in 1977......
That's not exactly true. The engine continued in trucks on as the 7.4, then 8.1 GM V8 through 2009.
I had a 1977 Silverado C10 with 454 when I was in high school. My dad bought it new.
Lots of 8.1 L 2500 Suburbans and Yukons out there, built for the RV crowd. I was looking at a 2008 the other day, for use pulling my horse trailer.
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I would need to see proof of that, got any ? :wink:.
You know, if I'd had a smart phone in 1983/1984, I'd have sure taken a picture. The super trooper that lived in my neighborhood in Little Rock sure was proud of his, and didn't mind showing it off to everyone.
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Back to Rocker's original point about gearing.
Yes, stock gearing could theoretically run to a high top speed but no way could it handle the torque loads of a 6, 7, 800 HP engine. Since 99% of these guys build their cars for drag racing, I think even less likely that car went 200.
We've seen the video of the infamous red '68 Camaro, lots of money and R&D went into that car just to run 200 mph.
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Yeah but , that's an old Chevy :evil:
Dusty
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FL Straight Pooper ? You mean State Police? Stock 86 Mustang's largest engine was a 302 rated at about 225 HP and reamined that engine into the 90's, maybe 140 MPH If you mean State Police, then they were hot rodding their pursuit cars with engine swaps?
Definitely a hot rodded "pursuit" vehicle. I was told that day I wouldn't be buying a "pursuit" Mustang at auction. They pulled the motors before selling these. :copcar:
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Definitely a hot rodded "pursuit" vehicle. I was told that day I wouldn't be buying a "pursuit" Mustang at auction. They pulled the motors before selling these. :copcar:
I can't really dispute your story any more that you can prove it. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and that's what the cop said to you.... Stories like this have been told by car guys for 60 years...It usually goes like this " My uncle bought a new car with a special high performance engine...There was one condition ,he couldn't sell it and the factory would buy it back...." Back in the days before cars had to meet emission standards ..If you showed a new car dealer enough money you could buy a 66 Chevy PU truck with a Corvette engine..But never from the factory other than a one off vehicle put together by engineers in a back room skunk works..
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I'm in LowRyters camp on this, I don't buy. Many super cars can't do 208mph. Those that can have bookoo engineering and super advanced design to do so.
2011 mustangs do not have anything like state of the art suspension, even super hopped up ones, running 208 in a straight line on a public road might be possible for a very short time, but I see it as highly unlikely.
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2011 mustangs do not have anything like state of the art suspension, even super hopped up ones, running 208 in a straight line on a public road might be possible for a very short time, but I see it as highly unlikely.
Thanks, that was what I was trying to say ( and failed, I think )
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2015-2016 Dodge Charger Hellcat: 204 mph, 707 hp (with video) :popcorn:
http://www.allpar.com/cars/dodge/charger/2015-hellcat.html
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210 mph in a ZR1 Vette....and a few other cars...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW_aqzAESbk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW_aqzAESbk)
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Jeez - my personal speed records (indicated & interpolated) consist of:
135 on an old Goldwing (indicated)
125 in an old Buick station wagon (indicator pegged and a little extra downhill)
110 on my Eldorado (indicated)
65 on an old ten-speed bicycle (shouted at me by the guy in the Ford Pinto)
50 on a road luge (indicated by the escort vehicle)
:evil:
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I have yet to find a road in Oklahoma that i would want to go 208mph on in anything.
http://www.newson6.com/story/33725172/chase-suspect-arrested-for-driving-208-mph-on-kilpatrick-turnpike
GliderJohn
'Says in the write up that he "turned off the brake lights", can you guys over there do that ? In Oz you can't "turn off " brake lights and doesn't sound like get was using a lot of brake anyway.
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'Says in the write up that he "turned off the brake lights", can you guys over there do that ? In Oz you can't "turn off " brake lights and doesn't sound like get was using a lot of brake anyway.
Not legally , don't think the law matters much to this kidiot .
Dusty
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'Says in the write up that he "turned off the brake lights", can you guys over there do that ? In Oz you can't "turn off " brake lights and doesn't sound like get was using a lot of brake anyway.
It's illegal here. People do it so cops won't see you braking from high speeds.
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Article said he was a club member. Those guys build some pretty impressive cars and don't exactly follow all the rules. They usually do their stuff in the wee hours of the morning when very little traffic is out and about, and they have spotters watching long stretches of roads for LEOs. Sort of like the 1/8 mile drag racing clubs, without the hokey Discovery Channel TV show. :laugh:
I've seen a couple of their cars and I believe they are capable of those speeds.
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In WA and AK the state cops run confiscated hot-rodded cars -- some of them exotics. Some they plaster with big signs announcing they are confiscated vehicles, and some they don't mark at all.
As to the OP -- top gear is still top gear. Unless there are ratio mods, redline still beats HP for top end.
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I've seen a couple of their cars and I believe they are capable of those speeds.
So difficult for me to tell the speed of a car by looking at it ....
Lannis
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Article said he was a club member. Those guys build some pretty impressive cars and don't exactly follow all the rules. They usually do their stuff in the wee hours of the morning when very little traffic is out and about, and they have spotters watching long stretches of roads for LEOs. Sort of like the 1/8 mile drag racing clubs, without the hokey Discovery Channel TV show. :laugh:
I've seen a couple of their cars and I believe they are capable of those speeds.
I haven't watched it in a while but it seems to me the boys in "Street Outlaws" had some machines that would easily top 200 mph. Some were actually daily drivers, not just trailered around. Some of those cars were Pro Stock machines slightly detuned for the street. Way more than 800 HP.
Pete
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It's illegal here. People do it so cops won't see you braking from high speeds.
Oh, ok.
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I here thought I was doing pretty good when I got arrested for going 118 MPH on my 21st birthday. 'Course, that ain't bad on a mule.... :grin:
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Viewing enjoyment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVxV3J_sQ1I&feature=youtu.be
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As for the 200+ MPH being impossible , given enough HP , a fairly tall final drive , and enough courage... In these days of 800+ HP from streetable engines it is possible . As for the suspension not being up to the job , dunno , modern Mustangs have IRS , and with some mods who knows . Deal is , I wasn't there . The first time someone said to me that their liter bike would go 70 MPH in first gear I was doubtful . Damned if the owner didn't prove it .
Dusty
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not "impossible" but really?
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I haven't watched it in a while but it seems to me the boys in "Street Outlaws" had some machines that would easily top 200 mph. Some were actually daily drivers, not just trailered around. Some of those cars were Pro Stock machines slightly detuned for the street. Way more than 800 HP.
Pete
That's nothing, I saw a show where Rebel Alliance fighters were going 2000 MPH against the Empire ....
Lannis
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Viewing enjoyment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVxV3J_sQ1I&feature=youtu.be
What is he claiming that he's doing ? Are we to assume he hasn't got the rear wheels off the ground on blocks? I'm not sure where the enjoyment bit is. What have I missed ?
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Here in middle America, there are a bunch of car enthusiast who mod their cars out for specific feats. Some are chasing the 10 second quarter mile and others are going after the 200 MPH mark. The video was about a guy that ran his car up to 201 MPH (per his phone GPS App) and recorded it. I guess he could have faked it all, the lights in the windshield and the sound of the motor and the tach needle and the phone app display. Or he could have spent the time and money to achieve the speed he was going after.
I posted the video to show that there are some people out there that do this sort of stuff and the 200 MPH mark is not really unfathomable. Granted we don't see it everyday posted on the news, but that's the ticket. Not easy. but doable.
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The 208mph may have just been hit for a few seconds. Interesting that the article says "Clocked at 176mph" then later the officer says the car "hit 208mph", didn't say clocked. Still 176mph is impressive and a bit fast for the street.
GliderJohn
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176 is a huuuuuuuge number.
208 is a light year more.
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Like what Leno say's, nowadays 400hp just get's you into the game.
A new GTI is quicker than a old school Challenger 426 Hemi.
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so far as "quick" as in accccceeeelllllllll llleration.
The GTI ain't on the same planet as a Hemi. New one or old.
Believe me, if I wanted to drive one every day, I'd pick the GTI. They just drive and handle great. But the Elephant is a legend for a reason.
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so far as "quick" as in accccceeeelllllllll llleration.
The GTI ain't on the same planet as a Hemi. New one or old.
Believe me, if I wanted to drive one every day, I'd pick the GTI. They just drive and handle great. But the Elephant is a legend for a reason.
Leno say's a GTI is quicker than the old 426 Hemi. :popcorn:
The 1970 Challenger 426 Hemi that would do 0-60 in 6.3 seconds -> http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1048883_new-versus-old-dodge-challenger-comparison
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yeah ... with 1970 polyglass tires..... but put some new tires on it (you can't even find those vintage tires), tune it and look out.