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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Bill Owens on November 17, 2016, 09:35:52 PM
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For those interested in the Triking cycle car. I am a big fan. For one thing I have been an owner and enthusiast of Moto Guzzi since 1978. Had a T3, SP,CX 100, now a Triking cycle.
I must confess of being more of a lurker than contributor, however I have found that the fun and the utility that you can achieve with the Triking experience can be so worth it , that I must speak up. O.K. If you are interested in a Triking check out their website http://trikingsportscars.co.uk/ Allen, the proprietor Is very personable and accommodating. I did not build my TK, however I have put more than 30,000 miles in 2.5 years, I have replaced single plate clutch after about 10,000 miles.Knew it was coming and worked out great. My machine had been built with a new old stock 2004 Stone with hydro motor that I know received update early if not at factory.
Anyway, one of the biggest attractions to Moto Guzzi is the motor. This car uses the MG motor, transmission, swing arm , bevel drive , rear wheel, which if you are interested in this kind of vehicle you more than likely know about this stuff. If not you can ask right here.
My wife and I have gone coast to coast and all over the place in this gem. My love of MG is rooted in simplicity, aesthetics and I can seem to afford them because they are simple, like me. I could go on and on about my experience. If you have questions speak up.I will respond.
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I've been thinking about building one myself, probably beginning late 2017. Plan to use a Le Mans 1000 as the donor. Post some photos of yours please.
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I'm interested, VERY interested. But the Triking is not the only three wheeler kit car to consider. There are others that often use components from Moto Guzzis.
Having done some research I think the Pembleton and Lomax Citroen based cars are probably the best, they both have two wheel drive, reverse gear box, good inboard disk brakes, and great suspension, but they are all nice.
I bought a 2003 Guzzi donor but I can't bring myself to take it apart, it's too good. I will look for another
Pembleton...(http://img.webme.com/pic/p/pembleton-archives/m3-3.jpg)
Lomax... (https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14947481_1707096866274377_3632431139280491844_n.jpg?oh=82c59a86219ecf6b1463d443721674ea&oe=58D3F12C)
JZR... (https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14695493_1700581350259262_1830358762461310410_n.jpg?oh=7b920be6e5521a54d35a7569eb22e7a9&oe=58D1F02A)
Triking... (http://trikingsportscars.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Foto.jpg)
Aero car... (http://www.spitfireart.com/demo3.jpg)
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The thing that they all have in common is that they all come from England.
There are also 4 wheeled versions of the Lomax and Pembleton
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Wow,,, I've been reading Saskmick's posts about these trike things,,, I was imagining something ugly like a Spyder or Slingshot,
Some of these rigs in the pictures are pretty sweet and classy looking.
The guzzi engine is a beautiful thing to look at,,, simple form and function,,,,
tks for sharing those pics
Kelly
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Here's a very nice Pembleton Brooklands with a Citroen engine. They have also been built with Moto Guzzi and BMW engines.
(http://www.thepembleton.org.uk/OwnersCar/pb/pb02.JPG)
This one is a Lomax 224 ( 223 is the three wheeler ) I prefer them with skinny wheels.
(https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15027838_1707106916273372_457631694999407749_n.jpg?oh=dea5c03b28fda86a1584d49b7b316e40&oe=58BF830B)
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Trouble with the three wheelers is that it can be difficult to avoid pot holes, where I live it would be almost impossible,they are everywhere.
Everything is a compromise, I think the most practical thing for me is to import a Lomax 224 with a Citroen 2 CV engine and install a Guzzi engine when I get it home.
There are several left hand drive versions for sale in Europe right now.
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(http://img.webme.com/pic/p/pembleton-archives/bk03.jpg)
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Sorry to hijack your thread Bill :embarrassed:
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Well this gives me 2 itches to scratch :wink:
I've had a desire for a motorbike & side car for a long while now but the Morgan 3 wheeler style perks me up every time I see one
Decisions decisions
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In my old age, I will likely transition into a European style sidecar or a TriKing.
Here are some cool photos for inspiration. :thumb: :cool: :1:
(http://thumb.ibb.co/ny06Yv/1010_Moto_Guzzi_Daytona_RS_beautifull_Diablos_sidecar_1.jpg) (http://ibb.co/ny06Yv)
(http://thumb.ibb.co/h5ZpmF/guzzi_lemans5_sidecar_1.jpg) (http://ibb.co/h5ZpmF)
(http://thumb.ibb.co/nFzdfa/JZR.jpg) (http://ibb.co/nFzdfa)
(http://thumb.ibb.co/itPB0a/Morgan_3_wheel.jpg) (http://ibb.co/itPB0a)
(http://thumb.ibb.co/d9gr0a/SPDouble_Headlight_1.jpg) (http://ibb.co/d9gr0a)
(http://thumb.ibb.co/cjZYDv/watsqireclassic_1.jpg) (http://ibb.co/cjZYDv)
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Those 3 wheelers sure are cool but almost less practical that a motorcycle. You sit so low it must be hard to see around / over traffic. Like a Sunday driver on less traveled back roads. I'd rather have a Miata with abs, heater, top, wipers and a trunk.
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I've been over to Norfolk to visit Alan at Triking on a number of occasions and bought the remains of the Guzzis he has disassembled to build his wonderful Trikings.
It really is a well engineered and thought out product. I'm personally strictly two wheels but I can highly recommend Alans work. They really are a things of beauty.
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Those 3 wheelers sure are cool but almost less practical that a motorcycle. You sit so low it must be hard to see around / over traffic. Like a Sunday driver on less traveled back roads. I'd rather have a Miata with abs, heater, top, wipers and a trunk.
2017 Mazda Miata MX-5 RF - - I guess that would work just fine as well...Not the same as a TriKing or sidecar, but anything to keep off the couch and "IN THE WIND!" :thumb: :cool: :grin: :wink:
(http://thumb.ibb.co/mQkC6F/01_2017_mazda_mx_5_rf_ny_1.jpg) (http://ibb.co/mQkC6F)
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Those 3 wheelers sure are cool but almost less practical that a motorcycle. You sit so low it must be hard to see around / over traffic. Like a Sunday driver on less traveled back roads. I'd rather have a Miata with abs, heater, top, wipers and a trunk.
Practical and fun are different things entirely :smiley:
PS, When your arse is only 4" off the road 50 MPH feels like 100.
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In my old age, I will likely transition into a European style sidecar or a TriKing.
Here are some cool photos for inspiration. :thumb: :cool: :1:
Here's my sidecar rig !
(https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1665563243761073&set=pb.100009222397885.-2207520000.1479488132.&type=3&theater)
(https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14212120_1669164386734292_739221868116934137_n.jpg?oh=46d8237fd8a57df14f4bee15e0e29aa3&oe=58D21C74)
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(https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14183936_1665563243761073_6879692811633313692_n.jpg?oh=1514b27356f096374339c4fc617789da&oe=58B8D219)
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Here's my sidecar rig !
(https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1665563243761073&set=pb.100009222397885.-2207520000.1479488132.&type=3&theater)
(https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14212120_1669164386734292_739221868116934137_n.jpg?oh=46d8237fd8a57df14f4bee15e0e29aa3&oe=58D21C74)
"Flying The Chair!! :thumb: :1: :cool: - - I learned to do this when I took the weekend sidecar training class in Seattle a few years back!! :thumb:
...and a nice rig, by the way!! :cool: :grin: :1: :thumb:
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When I lived in Aachen, Germany, 2004-2005, I saw a lot of sidecar rigs like this. Set up properly, (NOTE the front-end on that Kawasaki, third photo). This is extremely important for obvious reasons, especially at high speeds on the Autobahn, and as a result they handle like slot cars!! :cool: :thumb: :1:
(http://thumb.ibb.co/ngBKmF/BMW_1150_blue_sidecar.jpg) (http://ibb.co/ngBKmF)
(http://thumb.ibb.co/iEdbYv/BMW_High_performance_sidecar_profile1.jpg) (http://ibb.co/iEdbYv)
(http://thumb.ibb.co/kJrKmF/HPSC_Concours_copy1.png) (http://ibb.co/kJrKmF)
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When I lived in Aachen, Germany, 2004-2005, I saw a lot of sidecar rigs like this. Set up properly, (NOTE the front-end on that Kawasaki, third photo). This is extremely important for obvious reasons, especially at high speeds on the Autobahn, and as a result they handle like slot cars!! :cool: :thumb: :1:
(http://thumb.ibb.co/ngBKmF/BMW_1150_blue_sidecar.jpg) (http://ibb.co/ngBKmF)
(http://thumb.ibb.co/iEdbYv/BMW_High_performance_sidecar_profile1.jpg) (http://ibb.co/iEdbYv)
(http://thumb.ibb.co/kJrKmF/HPSC_Concours_copy1.png) (http://ibb.co/kJrKmF)
Have you ever driven a sidecar rig at speed ?
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QUOTE: Have you ever driven a sidecar rig at speed ?
No more than 55-60 mph, when I took that class...
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Those 3 wheelers sure are cool but almost less practical that a motorcycle. You sit so low it must be hard to see around / over traffic. Like a Sunday driver on less traveled back roads. I'd rather have a Miata with abs, heater, top, wipers and a trunk.
Yeah but I can't see showing up to a Guzzi rally in a Miata.
Dean
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QUOTE: Have you ever driven a sidecar rig at speed ?
No more than 55-60 mph, when I took that class...
I drove mine at 85 mph once just to see what it was like, never again.
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QUOTE: Yeah but I can't see showing up to a Guzzi rally in a Miata.
Agreed...would have to join the Miata Club or something... :rolleyes: :shocked: :wink: :grin: :laugh:
However, definitely on a Guzzi-Hack and/or TriKing!! :thumb: :cool: :1: :wink:
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QUOTE: Have you ever driven a sidecar rig at speed ?
No more than 55-60 mph, when I took that class...
Oh, hell yes. <shrug>
(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/elwood59/IMG_3061_1_1.jpg) (http://s29.photobucket.com/user/elwood59/media/IMG_3061_1_1.jpg.html)
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QUOTE: Yeah but I can't see showing up to a Guzzi rally in a Miata.
Agreed...would have to join the Miata Club or something... :rolleyes: :shocked: :wink: :grin: :laugh:
nah, the Miata club is nothing like a Guzzi club, I looked into it when I had mine..
and then my dog could come to the Guzzi rallys.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/All/i-33GDBDF/0/S/IMG_0513_zps360597d2-S.jpg) (https://fotoguzzi.smugmug.com/All/i-33GDBDF/A)
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(https://photos.smugmug.com/All/i-fDGHvV2/0/M/P9140448-M.jpg) (https://fotoguzzi.smugmug.com/All/i-fDGHvV2/A)
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(https://photos.smugmug.com/All/i-fDGHvV2/0/M/P9140448-M.jpg) (https://fotoguzzi.smugmug.com/All/i-fDGHvV2/A)
Could you post a photo of that entire rig? Looks cool! :thumb:
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(http://i1303.photobucket.com/albums/ag152/jdalthaus/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-04/2016-08/2ADB1C75-56E8-492F-B746-6D83ABFDD04E_zpsep4vpluf.jpg) (http://s1303.photobucket.com/user/jdalthaus/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-04/2016-08/2ADB1C75-56E8-492F-B746-6D83ABFDD04E_zpsep4vpluf.jpg.html)
Mine easily runs at an indicated 110, which is probly 90 in reality. Stable and corners fairly well but if I got out of shape on a decreasing radius curve it could be unfortunate . It is fun but eats rear tires. Mike Rich cylinder heads and all that stuff. I would like to build a Triking but the visability as Brad pointed out is limited not only in the ability to see but being seen in traffic is also troublesome .
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Could you post a photo of that entire rig? Looks cool! :thumb:
can't find them, lost in photobucket swamp.. I think pic was at the Skunk rally in Wi..
I did find these, from the Wi Guzzi rally in 2009.. you might like.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Foto/i-NJ975Vz/0/M/IMG_2503-M.jpg) (https://fotoguzzi.smugmug.com/Foto/i-NJ975Vz/A)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Foto/i-TqH44Wf/0/M/IMG_2500-M.jpg) (https://fotoguzzi.smugmug.com/Foto/i-TqH44Wf/A)
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can't find them, lost in photobucket swamp.. I think pic was at the Skunk rally in Wi..
I did find these, from the Wi Guzzi rally in 2009.. you might like.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Foto/i-NJ975Vz/0/M/IMG_2503-M.jpg) (https://fotoguzzi.smugmug.com/Foto/i-NJ975Vz/A)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Foto/i-TqH44Wf/0/M/IMG_2500-M.jpg) (https://fotoguzzi.smugmug.com/Foto/i-TqH44Wf/A)
THANKS! That is a lovely vintage rig...but might be a bit delicate to FLOG cross country! (LOL) :shocked: :shocked: :rolleyes: :wink: Here are a few nice three wheelers from the annual Brighton Motorsports Annual Car Rally in Scottsdale, AZ
(http://thumb.ibb.co/fF8VbF/IMG_6977.jpg) (http://ibb.co/fF8VbF)
(http://thumb.ibb.co/mZ0yVa/IMG_6985.jpg) (http://ibb.co/mZ0yVa)
(http://thumb.ibb.co/ir0Miv/IMG_6986.jpg) (http://ibb.co/ir0Miv)
(http://thumb.ibb.co/jPNCqa/IMG_6991.jpg) (http://ibb.co/jPNCqa)
(http://thumb.ibb.co/cD2Z3v/IMG_6993.jpg) (http://ibb.co/cD2Z3v)
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Those 3 wheelers sure are cool but almost less practical that a motorcycle. You sit so low it must be hard to see around / over traffic. Like a Sunday driver on less traveled back roads. I'd rather have a Miata with abs, heater, top, wipers and a trunk.
Yes, in traffic a Triking car is so low not only can the driver not see anything but the big car in front of him, other drivers can't see him either. It's like driving a go kart on public roads. Now if you had a whip antenna like some quads have........ On a country 2 lane road with little traffic they are OK. I have ridden in 1.
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For those interested in the Triking cycle car. I am a big fan. For one thing I have been an owner and enthusiast of Moto Guzzi since 1978. Had a T3, SP,CX 100, now a Triking cycle.
I must confess of being more of a lurker than contributor, however I have found that the fun and the utility that you can achieve with the Triking experience can be so worth it , that I must speak up. O.K. If you are interested in a Triking check out their website http://trikingsportscars.co.uk/ Allen, the proprietor Is very personable and accommodating. I did not build my TK, however I have put more than 30,000 miles in 2.5 years, I have replaced single plate clutch after about 10,000 miles.Knew it was coming and worked out great. My machine had been built with a new old stock 2004 Stone with hydro motor that I know received update early if not at factory.
Anyway, one of the biggest attractions to Moto Guzzi is the motor. This car uses the MG motor, transmission, swing arm , bevel drive , rear wheel, which if you are interested in this kind of vehicle you more than likely know about this stuff. If not you can ask right here.
My wife and I have gone coast to coast and all over the place in this gem. My love of MG is rooted in simplicity, aesthetics and I can seem to afford them because they are simple, like me. I could go on and on about my experience. If you have questions speak up.I will respond.
Hi Bill - Good post! :cool: I just sent you a PM. My friend Andy B in Tempe, AZ is building one now. He is not on this forum, but wants to contact you. I gave you his email address - - FYI - JJ Cerilli
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JJ,
Will check in with him. I have a few images I'll post here after I find them. Photo bucket really does kind of suck.
Bill
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JJ,
Just checked my PM. Nothing. My e mail is posted with my profile
Bill
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(http://thumb.ibb.co/cD2Z3v/IMG_6993.jpg) (http://ibb.co/cD2Z3v)
That aluminium job is a Pembleton, it is superior to the Triking .
It 's based on a Citroen 2 CV
(https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15136007_1714064865577577_3527220026485429029_n.jpg?oh=2941c8c8d0f5e2d4671ef4d839fa4dc2&oe=58C46551)
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I think the Triking is an inferior machine. It has rear wheel drive, which means the propshaft goes through the cockpit on the passenger side. It's a squeeze to say the least.
The Pembleton has many advantages, it is front wheel drive, with a non sequential gearbox with reverse, and inboard disk brakes. The suspension is Fantastic. There is lot's of seating room for both driver and passenger, same with the Lomax which is also based on a 2 CV.
Both the Lomax and Pemleton come in 3 wheel and 4 wheel versions and can be fitted with BMW and Guzzi engines using the Citroen gear box. The can of course use the original Citroen engine if speed is not a concern
Here's a Pembleton with a Guzzi engine.. (https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15181547_1714080922242638_7819672939029579216_n.jpg?oh=017e0f2a7f03762c9ca555f1e87e8b7b&oe=58C0F95A)
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"Inferior/superior" is personal preference thing. I prefer rear-wheel-drive handling characteristics over front-wheel-drive. Two half-shafts with CV joints and rubber boots to service has never been my idea of fun. I don't see inboard disc brakes as an advantage, especially from a serviceability standpoint. The Citroen transaxle must weigh quite a bit more than a Guzzi unit.
I like that the Triking uses more Guzzi components - including the (sequential) gearbox, swingarm, rear drive and even the rear wheel unless the builder chooses otherwise. I'm betting one could even use Guzzi Tonti-frame spoke wheels on the front with custom-made bearing/disc carriers.
It would be nice if the Triking used alloy body panels instead of GRP.
I'm a rather small guy (5'6", 150 lbs.) so room for me won't be an issue. Any passenger too large to fit will just have to walk. :wink: Anyway, the propshaft is inside the central tunnel, so driver and passenger seat width is nearly identical.
http://trikingsportscars.co.uk/
http://www.triking.co.uk/gallery.php
(http://www.triking.co.uk/pictures/front-10-08.jpg)
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"Inferior/superior" is personal preference thing.
That's precisely why I started by saying " I think" :grin:
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Some of the points I wanted to bring up about these three wheelers are.
They are a total blast.
I am of course biased toward the Triking because it is the only one I have experienced, but the Guzzi aspect of these machines add a lot.
They are not cheep, but if one has the time and space to assemble a kit, not rocket science .
For those considering retiring from motorcycling but love the guzzi motor, this can still be a very exciting way to get around.
They are not luxury rides but fully capable of touring coast to coast.
In regard to points brought up earlier in this thread, visability is something to be aware of, staying focused is key and not hard to do when you are this close to the ground. Parking lots are the worst.
One aspect of your visibility to other motorists on the road is that you are so different that you are seen.
Practical,really ??? Well I guess so. When I have to go to the grocery store, Triking, hardware store Triking, weddings,TK,post office,TK, Guzzi rally TK, vacation, oh ah TK!
Hopefully I will get some images up on this post that will show the Brookland style windscreens that came installed. They are really good looking but offer minimal protection. In preparation for longer trips we changed over to a touring type windscreen that offer much more protection and will accommodate a ragtop that Triking will provide.
For those that might consider a Triking kit I will share some of my thoughts.
First check their web site http://trikingsportscars.co.uk/current-prices
They offer a rear 15 inch rear wheel that takes automotive rear tire. I was burning through a rear tire in 2000 miles with the motorcycle rear wheel, now I get 10,000. There least expensive option (Guzzi content) is a guzzi cast wheel with modified rim. Works great. Also this reduces gear ratio a bit , helps with take of from dead stop.
I highly recommend the reverse gearbox, probably a little more driveline noise, but really who wants to get out and push.
Also available are windshield wipers for touring windscreen.
I would guess you can add any shocks that you want providing they are suitable length.
TK menu lets you see the total cost as you add the things you want
Anyone passing through Vermont is welcome to stop and check mine out.
Bill
http://s991.photobucket.com/user/guzzibill/library/
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Here's a link to the Pembleton forum site....
http://www.thepembleton.org.uk/OwnersCar/album2.shtml#dp
I think the Pembletons are the nicest with their all alloy body work, but they are a lot of work compared to a Triking or a Lomax.
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Actually the passenger side is a bit narrower as the shaft has a bit of an angle. I think Triking offers a slightly wider body.
Bill
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Actually the passenger side is a bit narrower as the shaft has a bit of an angle. I think Triking offers a slightly wider body.
Bill
Lomax's have plenty of room. It's because they use the Citroen frame and don't use a prop shaft.
(https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15181709_1714102245573839_77099044527764271_n.jpg?oh=df95ef73670ed96fb94449ed9b345d23&oe=58B3985D)
That's mine BTW, all I need to do is get it home.
Everything is a compromise and especially so if you are watching the pennies. My Lomax set me back 7500 USD before the expense of bring it to Canada and I still need to find a good Guzzi engine. I think it's probably quite a bit cheaper than building anything similar.
Bill, What did your machine set you back at the end of the day ?
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My Triking was commissioned by a doctor who had a personal tragedy just before completion of assembly so he abandoned the project. I paid $22,500. I think the body work and paint ate about $ 3,000 of that. I also got what was left of a new old stock Stone that was purchased for the project.
Bill
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I think roll bars are well worth considering especially if you use seat belts. I can't think of anything worse than rolling and being held captive to be pastried. The ones they fit to the Morgans look ok.
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My Triking was commissioned by a doctor who had a personal tragedy just before completion of assembly so he abandoned the project. I paid $22,500. I think the body work and paint ate about $ 3,000 of that. I also got what was left of a new old stock Stone that was purchased for the project.
Bill
I think you did ok Bill, especially as you did not have the hassle of importing anything.
Is your reverse driven by a starter motor ?
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This http://novaracing.co.uk/ReverseGearbox.html
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I bet that was expensive.
PS just noticed the price, about $1500, not bad considering. Had I built a three wheeler as I intended I would have used a starter motor for reverse.
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Not sure I could live with those tall rocker box covers but I like the skinny wheels.
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I think you like using it for pulling the women :wink:
(http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af40/guzzibill/10385412_668979586515888_4552603283650638653_n_zps4sl8oove.jpg)
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JZR also makes Morgan type car kits if they're still in business.
The Citroen 2CV motors have far less hp than a Guzzi big block motor.
The Triking? Morgan seat I sat in wasn't too narrow on the passenger side for me and I weigh 200#.
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JZR also makes Morgan type car kits if they're still in business.
The Citroen 2CV motors have far less hp than a Guzzi big block motor.
The Triking? Morgan seat I sat in wasn't too narrow on the passenger side for me and I weigh 200#.
John Ziemba ( JZR ) is still in business selling kits.
The Citroen 2CV motors have twice the power of a Guzzi big block motor. That's the reason many Pembleton and Lomax owners remove the Guzzi engines and install a 2CV upgrade.
The Morgan is a bigger and heavier car than the Triking.
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Trouble with the three wheelers is that it can be difficult to avoid pot holes, where I live it would be almost impossible,they are everywhere.
Everything is a compromise, I think the most practical thing for me is to import a Lomax 224 with a Citroen 2 CV engine and install a Guzzi engine when I get it home.
:1:, my bro has a lomax (2CV engine) in Kent UK, really hard to get your head around 3 tracks to avoid the potholes, usually is middle one that gets me, you see front wheels.
The Citroen 2CV motors have twice the power of a Guzzi big block motor. That's the reason many Pembleton and Lomax owners remove the Guzzi engines and install a 2CV upgrade.
Not sure I agree with that but if anyone in Uk with Guzzi engine (& adaptors) and wants to swap for 2CV, reckon the deal is done. Actually this year I was going to do it anyway to take to Mandello in Sept but no-one was game to drive it there (I took a bike)
Pembleton 4 wheeler with Guzzi engine is nicest IMHO if I ever get too old to ride a bike I might buy/ build one
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:1:, my bro has a lomax (2CV engine) in Kent UK, really hard to get your head around 3 tracks to avoid the potholes, usually is middle one that gets me, you see front wheels.
That's one of the reasons I bought one with 4 wheels
Not sure I agree with that but if anyone in Uk with Guzzi engine (& adaptors) and wants to swap for 2CV, reckon the deal is done. Actually this year I was going to do it anyway to take to Mandello in Sept but no-one was game to drive it there (I took a bike)
It was a joke.
Pembleton 4 wheeler with Guzzi engine is nicest IMHO if I ever get too old to ride a bike I might buy/ build one
I agree. I think it's known as the Brooklands.
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I think the strongest engine that Citroen had for the 2CV was about 30HP at around 600cc.
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602 CC, 33 HP
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I think you like using it for pulling the women :wink:
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One thing about 3-wheelers, of any variety, they seem to put smiles on everyone's face, which in today's insane world, is not a bad thing! :thumb: :cool: :1:
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My wife has named our Triking ( The Happy Car)
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My wife has named our Triking ( The Happy Car)
Is that your wife beside you in that pic ?
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Nope :wink:
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This is my wife...
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i must confess i own a lomax too, mine still has the 2cv engine.
the thing used to be our daily transport at one stage.
we now run a 2cv as a daily transport.
i have a 850T engine waiting for the lomax , but honestly it doesn't really need the extra power.
anything over 70 mph is extremely uncomfortable if you are sitting unprotected.
try sticking your head out of a car window at 70 mph :grin:
the biggest plus of the lomax is its handling ,
you can throw it around as hard as you want , if you overdo it it will do a very controllable front wheel slide , and loose speed in the process.
so roundabouts can be taken flat out, controlling the speed by sliding the front end.
it is pretty impossible to roll a lomax , as soon as you lift a front wheel you loose traction due to the front diff.
imagine riding a 33 HP go kart on the road , that will slide before it spins or rolls.
quite a lot of fun on back roads.
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http://www.3wheelers.com/enter.html
This has a good data base of all three wheelers but might have some screwy stuff that I didn't see on a apple. If Rodekyll is hooked up maybe he will check it out and let us know if it should be deleted, otherwise be warned
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i must confess i own a lomax too, mine still has the 2cv engine.
the thing used to be our daily transport at one stage.
we now run a 2cv as a daily transport.
i have a 850T engine waiting for the lomax , but honestly it doesn't really need the extra power.
anything over 70 mph is extremely uncomfortable if you are sitting unprotected.
try sticking your head out of a car window at 70 mph :grin:
Have you been for a drive in Lomax with a Guzzi engine ? To me it's not so much about speed, it's about how quickly it gets there more than anything. Couple that with the looks and the sound + the good handling and you have a real sports car............ The 70mph example applies to motorcycles too.
the biggest plus of the lomax is its handling ,
you can throw it around as hard as you want , if you overdo it it will do a very controllable front wheel slide , and loose speed in the process.
so roundabouts can be taken flat out, controlling the speed by sliding the front end.
it is pretty impossible to roll a lomax , as soon as you lift a front wheel you loose traction due to the front diff.
imagine riding a 33 HP go kart on the road , that will slide before it spins or rolls.
quite a lot of fun on back roads.
Mine is coming with the 2 CV engine so I will soon find out what it's like. The Mrs ( picture above ) is keen for it to arrive.
Please post a pic of yours.
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I have heard from other owners that they are good fun as is.
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http://www.3wheelers.com/enter.html
Watch opening the "A-Z Tour" on that page - it tried to start downloading a suspicious file when I did.
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Watch opening the "A-Z Tour" on that page - it tried to start downloading a suspicious file when I did.
I ended up with a survey to complete, I had a job to leave the website.
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Sidecar rigs put a smile on everyones face too and also pull the women in. :wink:
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"going into a corner you lose speed in the process.
so roundabouts can be taken flat out"
My long time friend Jim's `52 MGTD is like that with 50 hp. :cheesy:
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Sidecar rigs put a smile on everyones face too and also pull the women in. :wink:
This is true.
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I ended up with a survey to complete, I had a job to leave the website.
I see what you mean, I had gotten there sideways on a apple and started in the middle of the alphabetical listing of 3 wheelers so didn't see anything peculiar. when I start it wants me to download a new flash player an is hard to get out of. too bad ,it looked like a bunch of info.
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Have you been for a drive in Lomax with a Guzzi engine ? To me it's not so much about speed, it's about how quickly it gets there more than anything. Couple that with the looks and the sound + the good handling and you have a real sports car............ The 70mph example applies to motorcycles too.
I have heard from other owners that they are good fun as is.
of course the same on a motorcycle , i wouldnt ride a motorcycle at those speeds without my full face helmet,
but what is the point of owning a open sports car if you wear a helmet?
nice lomax, mine is the virtually the same , even the same color
only difference ,mine has three wheels.
i did drive one with a guzzi engine for a very short ride, it is a lot easier to drive, with the original engine you need to be flat out all the time to get anywhere.
i would be worried about the life expectancy of the 2cv gearbox with a healthy guzzi bigblock ....
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of course the same on a motorcycle , i wouldnt ride a motorcycle at those speeds without my full face helmet,
but what is the point of owning a open sports car if you wear a helmet?
nice lomax, mine is the virtually the same , even the same color
only difference ,mine has three wheels.
i did drive one with a guzzi engine for a very short ride, it is a lot easier to drive, with the original engine you need to be flat out all the time to get anywhere.
i would be worried about the life expectancy of the 2cv gearbox with a healthy guzzi bigblock ....
Where I live I have to wear a helmet when driving a 3 wheeler, but not with a 4 wheeler. I will wear a flying hat and goggles which is a lot better than a helmet.
I too was worried about the strength of the 2 CV gearbox, but have been told by long time Pembleton / Lomax owners with Guzzi engines that the gearbox is very strong .
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Don't think you'd ever break a 2CV gearbox, maybe kill synchros if the umbrella stick not mastered.
I like it, use 3-4 only on the run, nice quick change. 2-3 takes some nutting out but once sussed is good too.
4 speed and gearing determine where you take it but I never got to 70mph in bros, actually above 40 impossible to talk/hear. For long trips I'd wear a helmet, and still never go on motorways. Smooth bitumen, tight & twisty is seriously good fun, potholes not so much, back is only half a 2cv suspension on his one (leaf spring turned inwards)
Not like a bike to me, wind noise is incredible. Little screen does SFA to quieten it, Bill's windsreen / rag top might do trick.
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Don't think you'd ever break a 2CV gearbox, maybe kill synchros if the umbrella stick not mastered.
I like it, use 3-4 only on the run, nice quick change. 2-3 takes some nutting out but once sussed is good too.
4 speed and gearing determine where you take it but I never got to 70mph in bros, actually above 40 impossible to talk/hear. For long trips I'd wear a helmet, and still never go on motorways. Smooth bitumen, tight & twisty is seriously good fun, potholes not so much, back is only half a 2cv suspension on his one (leaf spring turned inwards)
Not like a bike to me, wind noise is incredible. Little screen does SFA to quieten it, Bill's windsreen / rag top might do trick.
i have been running 2cv's for 30 years, i've got at least half a dozen broken gearboxes to prove they are not that indestructible.
most broke using visa (650cc) engines.
the gearbox doesnt like high torque ,so dumping the clutch with a guzzi engine is probably going to kill it.
not a problem probably ,if you are in a hurry you shouldnt be driving the lomax.
if you find the rear suspension too soft you can connect the two swingarms, so you can use both spring canisters
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i have been running 2cv's for 30 years, i've got at least half a dozen broken gearboxes to prove they are not that indestructible.
most broke using visa (650cc) engines.
the gearbox doesnt like high torque ,so dumping the clutch with a guzzi engine is probably going to kill it.
Interesting. Turnkey Pembletons are available but they all seem to have small block 750 cc engines, I wonder if that is the reason why.. Is that the reason you have not installed your 850 cc engine yet ?
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Interesting. Turnkey Pembletons are available but they all seem to have small block 750 cc engines, I wonder if that is the reason why.. Is that the reason you have not installed your 850 cc engine yet ?
the small block is probably because of the cost.
they should be potent enough to destroy a gearbox.
i have way too many car and bike projects, my household is running 30-40 year old vehicles as daily transport
just keeping those on the road is a challenge.
and i am rebuilding a house, so other projects tend to take decades....
fitting the guzzi engines to the lomax is one of those projects,
the guzzi engine was bought at the end of the last century :embarrassed:
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I have 2- 3 wheeler roadsters that lean in corners..........Pi aggio MP3s. 1 will do 77 mph(250cc), the other 90 mph(400cc). I call them poor man trikes. :grin:
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Do you find them more stable than a 2-wheeled motorcycle when road surfaces are less than perfect?
By far since the front wheels are independently sprung. 1 front wheel can go over an object and you hardly feel it. Also in rainy conditions it's like driving a car.......you don't worry about the front end possibly washing out. The only thing is on loose gravel since all 3 wheels are independent if the rocks are small the whole rig feels squirrely. On pavement or solid surfaces things feel fine. In soft dirt the front end feels harder to turn than on a MC, so this setup is best on firm surfaces.
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i have been running 2cv's for 30 years, i've got at least half a dozen broken gearboxes to prove they are not that indestructible.
most broke using visa (650cc) engines.
the gearbox doesnt like high torque ,so dumping the clutch with a guzzi engine is probably going to kill it.
not a problem probably ,if you are in a hurry you shouldnt be driving the lomax.
if you find the rear suspension too soft you can connect the two swingarms, so you can use both spring canisters
Bow down to your exp, makes idea of putting big block in his less likely but there are loads in UK with them, usually seen in shows, all sparkly, no idea if anyone uses them in anger.
Yep, he and I both drive his one gently on clutch/ box etc, 2CV driving is an art form, reading traffic lights etc, never slow down, takes too long to get back there
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So, how do these various clones stack up against an actual Morgan?
I seem to remember a clip of the Top Gear team thrashing the hell out of a Morgan 3 wheeler on a race track without breaking anything.
Found a clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8-4IKUntko
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So, how do these various clones stack up against an actual Morgan?
I seem to remember a clip of the Top Gear team thrashing the hell out of a Morgan 3 wheeler on a race track without breaking anything.
Found a clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8-4IKUntko
The price of a Morgan makes them unobtainable for all but the well heeled.
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For those interested in the Triking cycle car. I am a big fan. For one thing I have been an owner and enthusiast of Moto Guzzi since 1978. Had a T3, SP,CX 100, now a Triking cycle.
I just found this thread and have to put in my 2 cents. I built a JZR 2 years ago and it is the most fun car I've ever owned. I've had it up to 85 on he interstate and thrown it into curves and done high speed drifts on curvy roads and it takes them all. I did a blog as I built mine and have had over 42,000 hits. Have a look, lots of pix and info if you are interested in building one of these. I think the Triking has a better fit and finish but a much higher price too.
Fred V
www.jzrusa2.blogspo t.com
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JZR is looking great Fred ! Where did you source those mirrors ? Looking for something similar for my JZR.
Bill
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Recently I watched a video of a 3 car comparison on a race track with 1 of the vehicles being an actual Morgan trike w/S&S motor. The other 2 vehicles(forget what) were 4 wheelers that were much faster in acceleration than the trike. In the track speed comparison the Morgan was fastest. :shocked: Like you say, it went thru corners no problem with it's narrow tires, sliding the rear wheel in some of the corners. :cool:
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JZR is looking great Fred ! Where did you source those mirrors ? Looking for something similar for my JZR.
Bill
Bill, someone else imported the chassis and gathered a truckload of parts including the '85 Cal2 donor bike. The mirrors were part of the load. He was in a wreck and couldn't work on it anymore so he sold it.
Fred V