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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: cee2cee on December 09, 2016, 03:36:22 PM
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I am looking for some opinions based on either your own experience owning the bikes or just your obsession with knowing all there is about the new lineup of MG. I am considering buying a new Guzzi for some multi-state touring BUT I am not interested in the 600lb+ beasts in the lineup, like the Norge or Stelvio and I definitely am not a 'bagger' kind of rider. So, is there any one of the V7 or V9 lineup that stands out as the one that would come closest to being a good all around tourer, with the proper equipment? Or are they all about the same...I just don't know all the differences and nuances that may be offered by Guzzi.
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Why would someone want a touring bike without saddle bags?
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Has to be a Guzzi given what you are asking
you should buy a KLR
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By touring I'm going to assume that you are looking to put 250 plus miles on a day for 2 nights or more at a time. You need: 1. Bags for this 2. Good weather protection. 3. A bike that won't burn your butt after 3 hours. I don't think you can do that on the lighter bikes. If you want to tour, a touring bike would be my recommendation. It is difficult to beat a Harley full dresser, and it is definitely over 600 pounds. A multi-day long-distance trip on a V7 would not be comfortable. I have a V7 and love it, but a touring bike it will never be.
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Hey didn't say he didn't want to use bags, he said he is not interested in a large bagger, like a Cal model or even Norge.
To give you a general answer, the v7 line from Stone to Specials can make great tours. You can add as much or as little touring equipment to fit your needs, and for that matter so to of the v9 line. Guzzi offers lots of accessory touring gear for each model. People tour on all kinds of bikes and sizes, and the Guzzi small blocks are a great choice for lots of folks. Many people here have sweet set ups, I'm sure they pop up with some. Or just do a "small block touring" search and you should come up with lots of threads on the subject. Then you need to get to a dealer and take a look in the flesh, and better yet ride them, they are great bikes.
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Quite few people now tourer on various V-7s so if that is what you want size wise, go for it and check them out. For not much more money you can buy a new Norge although it is a 600# bike but you only know it in parking lots and in garages. Don't sell a Norge short either on burning twisties. The Norge is also just a nicely comfortable ride with a great fairing setup. Any particular reason for not considering the larger bikes?
GliderJohn
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Has to be a Guzzi given what you are asking
you should buy a KLR
or loose another 60# get a DR 650
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You guys ... can't tour on a V7, gotta buy a big ol' Harley , or some single cylinder dual sport . why can't you tour on a V7 or a newer V9 ? Sheesh :rolleyes:
Dusty
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I did a lot of distance stuff on an 850T5 (400-500mi was a good day for me with some longer thrown in for fun). I would think the V9 platform would be a decent touring bike. The only real issue I can see is with the 'tiny' gas tank.
BUT...in order to live with the T5 I had to add a largish fairing and a custom seat. I think you'd have to do something about the seat first. Add a good windscreen, if not a fairing of some sort. Wind protection is a personal thing so do what you like. Bags could be anything you like. Mine were ammo cans :)
Have you considered a Beemer? F800GT?
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A tour is just a series of day rides back to back. Until it's a constant 40 degrees or so it's not unreasonable to ride a V7 type bike for days on end. Even at those low temps plenty ride small(ish) naked bikes all over.
Heck, my friend and her husband ride a Bonnie and Scrambler (Triumph) form Alabama to VT every year to join us for a weekend.
My V7 has a Ventura rack system, a rear seat bag (not too big) and a tank bag. I can fit all I need. Granted, it's not a lot but it's plenty for the task if you pack sensible.
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You guys ... can't tour on a V7, gotta buy a big ol' Harley , or some single cylinder dual sport . why can't you tour on a V7 or a newer V9 ? Sheesh :rolleyes:
Dusty
you can, I just don't want to.. the v7 variants don't push any right buttons for me..
I saw a brand new 2017 SV 650 at Leo's today for $6,999..it almost pushed my button.. that is a lot of bike for the money.. course it doesn't have saddle bags..
the new DR was $6500. can't figure that, for 500 more you can get the SV. add $500for ABS (but wtf, can only get abs on red bike not the white one).
434# WET!
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they call this one a Scrambler..
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:popcorn:
more please
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or loose another 60# get a DR 650
Yeah no argument form me both are highly capable bike to cross country on
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The V7 / V9 are not touring bikes...(IHMO). You don't want a Bagger, so if it is a modern Guzzi you want, my vote is a Stelvio or maybe a Norge.
Otherwise, there are countless other bikes that would bit the bill.... :thumb: :cool: Example: My old 2011 Triumph Sprint GT
Light / Fast / Superb Handling / Brakes and RELIABLE! :thumb: :cool:
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Here is another great touring bike I have owned....the BMW R1150RT.
Lots of Guzzi riders "Poo-Poo" Beemers, but they are excellent touring bikes, period, (IMHO). :cool:
I have owned and two airheads and two oil-head Beemers and have logged >100,000 on these twins. I would not hesitate to own another...
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Foto - don't know about the SV 650, but I can attest to the long legs of that engine in a VStrom chassis. Talk about a bike that punched above its weight ... my riding buddy's 650 VStrom bagged, and with tank bag and rear rack made for a really good cross country machine.
Of course, so did my 2008 1200 Sport, but that's heavier than the OP asked about.
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I bought my first dedicated tourer in 1990, a Kawasaki Concours. After five riding seasons, I traded for a K1100LT. After seven seasons I bought a Cal EV set up with three hard bags and Rifle windshield. I found myself riding the KLT less and less so sold it and kept the EV.
In 2012, I realized that although I truly enjoyed touring on the EV it was getting to be a bit of a handful around town and in the garage. I wanted to trade down in size and keep the touring capability.
My solution was an R1200R with side bags and a medium-sized windshield. It weighs much less than any of the tourers I'd owned, but still packs a lot of power and touring capability. With the bags and windshield, I'm guessing it weighs about 530 pounds wet.
For now, it's the perfect tourer for me -- with the bonus of being easy to ride around town and shuffle in the garage.
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In 40 years of ridding distance touring rides I can tell you from experience, weight is your friend, luggage is your Pal and wind protection is your Best Gal! That being said the Calvin is a good bar hopper as well as long distance ride. 3-400 mile days can be ridden comfortably if you have average stamina and the weight is heavy enough to ride smooth but not to heavy to pick up by yourself if you drop her. Your money though, good luck with your choice.
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Never had one but I can see the WeeStrom doing the job if you fit on it. So many folks I know have one. You might think of a similar design but with a shaft drive? The Yamaha Super Tenere comes to mind (I know bigger engine?). I've put 100s of thousands of cross country miles on bikes with 500cc and less. my V7 is the first 750cc I've owned. PC800 biggest biggest bike I've owned. Been very satisfied.
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People used to put intergalactic mileage touring on Windjammer, Bates, or Krauser equipped:
1) CB-500s
2) Suzuki Titans
3) BMW R50s
and similar bikes. Of course, to some folks, this would be just as impossible as leaving the yard without a telephone and a GPS, so maybe that was all just urban legend, looking back from the lofty heights of the 21st Century ...
Lannis
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I was one who had a CB500 with a windjammer. Good little bike. During the windy seasons (40-50mph winds) it was a handful.
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C2C, if we knew what you have ridden prior and your size, then we could recommend bikes that might fit your requirements. As far as "touring", in the 60's my 1st bike was a 250 Yamaha twin; then a RD350 Yamaha twin; then a 650 Yamaha twin; then a `81 CX100 950 Guzzi twin; then a VX800 Suzuki twin; then a Piaggio 400 MP3 maxi-scooter; then a MuZ 660 single; then a`77 Guzzi 1000 Convert. semi-automatic that now is too heavy(600#) for me. I put in 400-500miles days and have toured all across the USA. Right now my best tourer is the MP3 or Guzzi `04 750 Breva twin which we have ridden 2up on long trips comfortably with it's original seat. Any Guzzi made can carry Hepco-Becker saddlebags & top case or the factory setup if it's made. I've also used Give bags/top case. So anyone who says you need a 600# bike to tour is either a lot bigger than me or they don't know what they're talkin' about. Heck I know a small biker who rides from Oregon to Baja on his 200 single! Whatever you get make sure it has a centerstand. :azn: Many new bikes don't nowadays. My 750 Breva didn't but they were available from the factory.
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Hmmmm.............. . What you plan on needing to cover daily and what kind of pilot you are will dictate on this one.
In the Guzzi line up right now.
I have owned and put on around 20,000 K on a 2014 Cali with bags and full shield..... spectacular heavy weight ( 500 a day machine no issues )definitely does not show its weight compared to others out there that are lighter on the scale.... only down sides are fuel range and not a Sport Tour package if that's what your after in the end.
Own and presently showing 18,000 K on the 2014 Norge......... pretty much all you need to tour comfortably in my opinion... It is light on its feet/ goes like H--l and has tremendous fuel range...... an absolute beauty to ride fast or at a leisurely pace for 500 a day ...on and on.
PS. any of those lighter creatures.......... .... your going to be using up your carrying capacity on pain killers and ointment after any of the miles per day the above can knock off.
Just my experiences is all. Unless of course your in your twenties :laugh:
Ciao
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cee2cee, I have a Stelvio and a V7. The Stelvio is a Big Girl (but she can dance!) and the V7 is a delightful bike for shorter to medium rides. What do I mean? Well, the Stelvio was just about perfect for a trip from coast to coast last July. That was 3 weeks and 7500 miles. Hauling ass or just doing the speed limit, no problem. Mountains...who cares. Carrying a bunch of camping junk...not an issue. I was riding in style. A year ago I went to the Ohio rally on the V7. That was 700 miles each way. The V7 took it in stride. I could not carry as much junk or pass with impunity but never thought that the bike was severely under powered. The V7 was not as comfortable as the Stelvio for 7-8 hours at a time. Now, what did I do to make the bikes fit? The Stelvio has a RDL seat. On the V7 I had to upgrade the suspension plus get a custom seat...and hard bags. I guess what I am saying is that either is a great option depending on how you are going to tour. If you are talking about 300 mile days staying in motels...V7 is a good way to go. If you want to go longer miles and carry more stuff I'd recommend a larger bike. You can tour on anything. Guys have gone around the world on 125cc bikes, I do not want to try that. On the other hand, I really like an upright riding position so that would be a big deal were I looking today. Brand is less important than how the bike fits you.
Peter Y.
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Oh brother, here we go again.
I think a big part of the problem here is that people define "touring" so differently.
Is it traveling long distance on highways or shorter distance on backroads and seeing the sights?
Is it ultra long days riding non-stop or shorter days with lots of stops?
Is it minimalist or do you take the kitchen sink?
Is it solo or 2-up?
Are you (and your passenger if you have one) 100#'s each or 200's each?
Just think of that last one, two people that are 100# each weigh HALF of a V7, but two people who weigh 200# each weigh nearly as much as a V7!
Both couples wouldn't be equally comfortable.
I am looking for some opinions based on either your own experience owning the bikes or just your obsession with knowing all there is about the new lineup of MG. I am considering buying a new Guzzi for some multi-state touring BUT I am not interested in the 600lb+ beasts in the lineup, like the Norge or Stelvio and I definitely am not a 'bagger' kind of rider. So, is there any one of the V7 or V9 lineup that stands out as the one that would come closest to being a good all around tourer, with the proper equipment? Or are they all about the same...I just don't know all the differences and nuances that may be offered by Guzzi.
Of bikes that were touring oriented I've owned:
HD RK (crossed the country with it both 2-up and solo)
BMW R1100RS
Guzzi Breva 1100
Guzzi California Jackal 1100
But my current fleet includes 2 bikes that I "tour" on:
HD Sportster 1200
Guzzi V7 Stone
I don't even bother trying to ride the V7 2-up, at about 225# I'm more than enough load for it and there's not enough room for my comfort if there's a passenger.
I also don't particularly like the V7 on the highway, though it doesn't have any problems with it.
For me the nearly 600# Harley Sportster is a much better highway bike (and 2-up bike), and in that sense reminds me of the similar size/weight R1100, Breva 1100, Jackal 1100, and hell, to some extent the Harley RK.
People aren't lying when they say that weight, cubic inches, and size are your friends ON THE HIGHWAY.
If I'm rolling highway for hours on end there's no comparison, I'm taking the Sporty.
If I'm rolling backroads for hours on end the V7 is just as good and sometimes better.
Now with regards to the V7/V9 line, if you're still thinking they fit YOUR intended definition of touring then my advice is:
1. Pick the one with the riding position you prefer:
V7 Racer - rear sets
V7 Special/Stone - controls just about under you.
V9 Bobber/Roamer - controls just in front of you
2. If range is a priority the V7 has an edge, but the tank from the V7 could be placed on the V9.
3. If a little more power is a priority the V9 has the edge.
I completely get "touring" on any of them, at least solo, or maybe 2-up if you're a fraction of my size, or just nuts.
That said, bikes like my Breva 1100 would just EAT miles on the highway effortlessly.
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I have 2 sport-touring bikes: a Norge and a BMW F800GT. Both are very capable tourers; I have taken each on trips exceeding 7,000 miles. I bought the F bike more recently in deference to my age; its getting harder for me to handle a heavy bike, and the F bike is about 100 pounds lighter than the Norge. However, when I take the F bike on a long trip, I often wish I had ridden the Norge instead, as it is more comfortable and more stable. True, it is easier for me to manage the BMW at parking lot speeds, to get it on the center stand, and to push around in the garage, etc, but for 95% of the time, the extra pounds of the Norge are not a problem.
Jon
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Is it solo or 2-up?
Are you (and your passenger if you have one) 100#'s each or 200's each?
Just think of that last one, two people that are 100# each weigh HALF of a V7, but two people who weigh 200# each weigh nearly as much as a V7!
Those factors right there are the determinant for me. Our touring is ALL two-up, so a bike that can carry a 475 pound payload, and let us stretch our legs, is what we like. If it were just me, the range of acceptable transcontinental touring bikes would be all the way down to a nice 500 ....
Lannis
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Yeah, the DL650 wee strom is close to a perfect little motorcycle.
I can't really call a motorcycle smaller than a 1100 California, a touring bike. But if you want a small bike that is comfortable, has good power and economy, and will run forever, even if it's a little boring, I'd go with the DL 650 or similar bike.
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I think Kev's point is well taken- decide where you will be in terms of roads as well as how much time you plan to be in the saddle. I was on a trip last year in the mountains of New Mexico. Lots of up and down- twisty roads, some endless vistas on open highway. Did it on rental Triumph Bonnies- fabulous time. I would've preferred a sixth/taller gear- but otherwise the handy size was a joy.
I was in Montana last June and rented a HD Road King. Absolute pig. Hated it. It really was more than the embarassing image. That machine seemed to be weight just for the sake of it. Having said that- the extra pounds of my 1200S are helpful on the slab. That thing is just planted and perfectly stable at speed. Much less perceivable bulk than it's Norge sister. I guess my point is- don't lock yourself into the small blocks. Some of the big block bikes are not a great burden and really do reap rewards.
I'd also mention that the Cali 1400 handles surprisingly well for its size. Not my riding position- but still an impressive machine.
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Why would someone want a touring bike without saddle bags?
I didn't say I did not want a bike without bags, whether they be panniers or saddlebags. What I meant was a California or Audace or the other line up in that class are way too big and not my taste..I have just referred to them as 'bagger's and have heard others use that term as well.
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Quite few people now tourer on various V-7s so if that is what you want size wise, go for it and check them out. For not much more money you can buy a new Norge although it is a 600# bike but you only know it in parking lots and in garages. Don't sell a Norge short either on burning twisties. The Norge is also just a nicely comfortable ride with a great fairing setup. Any particular reason for not considering the larger bikes?
GliderJohn
I have no doubt that on long trips they are great but around town, stop and go traffic, I just don't think they are as maneuverable plus and this is a big plus I am not getting younger.
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It would help if you would define yourself and needs a bit better. Your last post hinted to probably being north of 50 if not well north. What kind of touring do you do? How much urban time? Etc.
GliderJohn
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I am looking for some opinions based on either your own experience owning the bikes or just your obsession with knowing all there is about the new lineup of MG. I am considering buying a new Guzzi for some multi-state touring BUT I am not interested in the 600lb+ beasts in the lineup, like the Norge or Stelvio and I definitely am not a 'bagger' kind of rider. So, is there any one of the V7 or V9 lineup that stands out as the one that would come closest to being a good all around tourer, with the proper equipment? Or are they all about the same...I just don't know all the differences and nuances that may be offered by Guzzi.
I have put over 40,000 long distance touring miles - only since March 2013 - on my 2004 Moto Guzzi Breva 750 (predecessor to the M-G V7 line). I am 76 and find its 400 lb weight to be a perfect match for my 5' 7" 170 lb frame. Performance of the little Breva has always been more (way more) than merely adequate. The ride has always been happy and trouble free. Always get 55 mpg and better. Cheep Thrills for sure.
I have a pair of Hepco&Becker soft side bags and a H&B tank bag. Throwing a large duffel bag across the seat and the two H&B saddle bags is all I've ever wanted or needed for up to two week trips.
'Geezer
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'Geezer
MOTOGeezer, you have the best name on this forum!
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MOTOGeezer, you have the best name on this forum!
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Kinda looks like a hipster to me , not that there's anything wrong with that :evil:
Dusty
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Some of my favorite motorcycle touring memories were on my V7 Classic. Fun in a way that would not have been experienced on a bigger bike. And there were some 500 mile days that did not leave me fresh as a daisy, but I would not have traded them for anything.
But that was fair-weather touring. If I wanted to be able to blast out serious miles come hell or high water, I would want more weight and protection. Norge.
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Some of my favorite motorcycle touring memories were on my V7 Classic. Fun in a way that would not have been experienced on a bigger bike. And there were some 500 mile days that did not leave me fresh as a daisy, but I would not have traded them for anything.
But that was fair-weather touring. If I wanted to be able to blast out serious miles come hell or high water, I would want more weight and protection. Norge.
For nasty weather when touring I prefer 1 of my maxi-scooters as they give better weather protection, can carry more stuff, and get higher mpg. :smiley:
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....... or a 2001-2015 Bonneville. These two were the earlier 790cc models, and made mince meat of a multi day ride from Cleveland OH to Wyoming and back in 2006. We're in our late 50s and early 60s when this pix was taken west of Cody, Wy.
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Heading back East Both these bikes ran flawlessly the entire trip.
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Some of my favorite motorcycle touring memories were on my V7 Classic. Fun in a way that would not have been experienced on a bigger bike. And there were some 500 mile days that did not leave me fresh as a daisy, but I would not have traded them for anything.
But that was fair-weather touring. If I wanted to be able to blast out serious miles come hell or high water, I would want more weight and protection. Norge.
See that's the point that I think the "big" bike guys are trying to make.
I remember riding coast-to-coast on my RK, zig zagging back across the country from LA in 5-6 500 mile days, fresh a daisy and eager to get on the bike each morning.
I definitely would not feel that way on my BELOVED V7.
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....... or a 2001-2015 Bonneville. These two were the earlier 790cc models, and made mince meat of a multi day ride from Cleveland OH to Wyoming and back in 2006. We're in our late 50s and early 60s when this pix was taken west of Cody, Wy.
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Heading back East Both these bikes ran flawlessly the entire trip.
Come to think of it, aren't those Bonnie's sorta a middle weight between the Guzzi smallblocks and CARCS?
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I am looking for some opinions based on either your own experience owning the bikes or just your obsession with knowing all there is about the new lineup of MG. I am considering buying a new Guzzi for some multi-state touring BUT I am not interested in the 600lb+ beasts in the lineup, like the Norge or Stelvio and I definitely am not a 'bagger' kind of rider. So, is there any one of the V7 or V9 lineup that stands out as the one that would come closest to being a good all around tourer, with the proper equipment? Or are they all about the same...I just don't know all the differences and nuances that may be offered by Guzzi.
Firstly mate , how big are you because that will come into play WHEN you drop it in the grass 'cos the side stand sunk in the soft ground while you hurried into the bushes for a toilet break. Don't buy something that's at the limit of your physical capabilities strength wise, or It'll give you the shits when you're tired and want to stop and remember that if you tour on it properly as you intend, the the conditions in camping parks will very often be less than ideal. If you're a reasonably big guy and rate yourself as fairly skilled, a Triumph Sprint GT or older ST is a good solid choice if you don't HAVE to have a Guzzi. But helping you choose a touring bike is like helping you choose a girlfriend, one thing though, if you "test ride" a tourer, put a shit load of luggage on it and ride the bugger a LONG way, 'cos you won't start to see any drawbacks under 5 hours in the seat, even if the bike is a dog's breakfast. Anyone you ask will probably tell you their bike is good simply because they've done a zillion miles on it and become "bike fit". I'd suggest hanging around or joining a touring club that rides affordable mid size bikes, that way if you mess up and buy a piece of junk, you haven't spent a fortune, but after a while you'll see what the popular choices are. Honda's VFR's are fabulous bikes if you don't mind the personality of a plastic bucket but utter reliability. Just ride as many as you can but as I said, ride each one until you get sore and that'll tell you where it sits in the pecking order. Finally, like most of the guys here I've had a heap of road bikes (40+) and most were Jap sports tourers, but I personally have never had a better mile eater than the Norge. Anyway, that's it for starters from me.
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Here is another great touring bike I have owned....the BMW R1150RT.
Lots of Guzzi riders "Poo-Poo" Beemers, but they are excellent touring bikes, period, (IMHO). :cool:
I have owned and two airheads and two oil-head Beemers and have logged >100,000 on these twins. I would not hesitate to own another...
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And that's a particularly nice choice .
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KevM, the 2001-era Bonnies were heavier bikes than the V7s, and 'may' have been slightly larger. Like some of the V7 models, the suspension was budget bin stuff, and for a 160 pound rider, transmitted a lot of kickback from bumps. I changed to Progressive 440 shocks with correct springing, and played with fork oil wt and level, plus different springs and had a pretty nice ride for day trips and didn't hesitate to set out on a much longer ride periodically.
Bob
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Touring bike.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9aisWhUaUg
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Virtually any bike can be a good touring machine, if it fits the rider. These days we seem to succumb to the bigger is better philosophy. In my opinion ergonomics is the most important area to consider when touring. If the bike is big enough to carry the gear you need, then I would focus my attention on how comfortable the bike is and how it "fits" the rider. Things like bar and footpegs relationship and most importantly, the saddle and wind protection/quiet. When I have toured over the years, the limiting factors were things like seat comfort, wind noise and cold, it was never the size of the bike. Buy the best gear you can, my uncle always said to me, "Poor people can't afford to buy cheap stuff". He was right. My .02
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In 40 years of ridding distance touring rides I can tell you from experience, weight is your friend, luggage is your Pal and wind protection is your Best Gal! That being said the Calvin is a good bar hopper as well as long distance ride. 3-400 mile days can be ridden comfortably if you have average stamina and the weight is heavy enough to ride smooth but not to heavy to pick up by yourself if you drop her. Your money though, good luck with your choice.
I like your quote!! :thumb: :cool: :1: When it comes to REALLY long trips...and riding two-up...this is what I take!! :shocked:
Moby Dick - aka "The Great White Whale!!" At 871 pounds, it is a cruise-machine on the open highway!!
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To me, "Touring" is NOT droning on endlessly on the highway (that's what a car is for).
It's more about the ride, not the destination. So the V7 is very adequate for that.
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The first longish trip I took was on my 1974 Yamaha RD-200 Electric. It was a weekend trip...252 miles each way. I wasn't able to pack much and I limited my speed to 55-60, but that bike did great. It initiated a love of touring that I enjoy still.
Imagine my incredulity when a fellow asked me the following question when I was 2500 miles away from home on my California Vintage: "Is an 1100 big enough for travel?"
The only limit you have on what sort of bike you wish to travel on is the weight of you and your luggage. There are many examples of enthusiasts riding incredible distances on Honda Trail 90s! Be smart with your planning and your V7 will make a dandy tourer.
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As a matter of fact, I have more respect for those that travel far on a smaller displacement bike than a larger 2-wheeled convertible "car" - anyone can do that.
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I've "toured", or more appropriately "traveled" on motorcycles since the early 1980's. Always a slant towards the sport touring end of the scale. Started out on a KZ550, then a V45, which set my tone as what I considered best. Ben through many trips and bikes over the years, and can honestly say on every trip there was a time I wished I was on a different type of bike. Times on twisties where a lighter bike was wished for and times on a windy cold highway I was wishing for a Wing.
I think Kevm is right in his list of variables that you need to consider (your size, how much luggage, weather, anticipated mileage, type of roads and speeds, how often you like to stop, and your mechanical skills, to name a few). There is a big difference riding in the Eastern U.S. than the West or crossing the Plain states.
The last half dozen years the wife and I have made a couple multiple thousand mile trips each year with her on a Breva 750 and Honda CB500X and me on a 1200 Sport, Stelvio, R100GS, and FJR. I also did a 500 mile trip 5 years ago on a 2001 SV 650, kitted out with a F15 Sport windshield, throttle lock, magnetic tank bag, Air Hawk, and a large dry back strapped to the back seat. Today if I'm traveling, I usually opt for the FJR, as it seems to be the best compromise, with the GS right behind as a second choice. That said, living in the middle of Oklahoma usually means hours of high speed interstates to get to where back road touring takes over. My Wife's preferred ride is the little CB500X, but she wishes it had more power for passing sometimes. She has been looking at FJ09's, and wishing the FJ07 would come to the states!
Lots of options out there to pick from, realizing any bike will be a compromise at any given time. Good luck.
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I've done long multi-day road trips on my V7. But those kinds of trips are a hell of lot more enjoyable on my R1200R. It's maybe 50 kgs heavier but doesn't feel like it, has more than twice the power, and is a lot smoother, especially at higher speeds. And for the thrifty, gas mileage is near enough to the same between the two as to not make a difference. I'm done with the behemoth land-yachts; I don't need the 'protection from the elements'. And for two-up, it's no contest, the BMW wins hands-down.
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As others have said, you can tour on any bike. It's HOW you want to tour that you have to consider.
500 mile days are practical, even on this (I've done many of them), but it's not for the super-slab.
Nick
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Yup, you can tour on any bike. I know a guy that tours regularly on a V7 or Griso (he seems to swap out between the two - same trips using either one). All he carries for luggage is a medium dry bag, lightly filled. I have no idea how he does it and he was 83 this summer.
Stock seats, no windscreen. Amazing.
I've "toured" on my Griso, CB1100 and the Quota. For long rides I'm starting to prefer the pickup. :evil: Long boring stretches and crazy drivers are pushing me there.
But as stated very well else where, get a bike that fits you, something that is easy to live with for the rides you intend to do (my CB is much better in the twisty bits and in town but the Griso motor is much easier to live with on the open road - that said I keep thinking about a very long ride on my 650L). Considering what I used to tour on back in the day, there are a bunch of very capable machines to choose from. I see the attraction of the big cruisers and I'm seduced by them to a certain degree but oh man, the weight. If you need the weight, take the truck and haul a nice little tourist bike in back for using once you get to where you want to go. :rolleyes:
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Buy a Norge 1200. You can't beat it for the price. You can find a new 14 or 15 leftover for 13k or so. Ive been riding Guzzi's for 41 years and wouldn't have anything else. Jim
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I can only ride about 22k a year now with the health and finances issue. On trips I stop every 600 to 700 mile average unless visiting a site of interest so no iron butt by a long shot.
The most important factor is your day in day out no matter what the weather or road conditions COMFORT. If you can get there [wherever that is] still able to keep going then you'll have more fun.
Short trips or two up its my 2004 ev cal which is right at the weight I can handle. Long trips solo, KLR. I have to get to an event able to compete with younger, faster, & less crippled opponents in the shooting matches as it's very satisfying to beat them on the occasions I still can.
Firing ranges are usually on unpaved rough roads. Gas stations out west are farther than expected sometimes and your mileage varies a lot in constant 30 mph cross winds. Have a big enough tank or carry extra fuel. But.. Extra fuel, extra anything adds weight you'll have to deal with.
Touring on a motorcycle is it's own reward. You work it out in stages to suit yourself.
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I've hauled sport bikes to the twisties many times and still do occasionally, but I really like to tour on a motorcycle. Touring defined as doing a big loop somewhere for a week or so, riding around 400 miles a day on back highways, stopping at cool destinations to explore each night. Usually we take short breaks every 75 to 100 miles. See Daniel K's trip reports, kinda like that without his photography skills and geography knowledge part.
It can be done on almost any kind of bike, it's just what you expect from your bike and what compromises you want to make. I think the Wee-Strom is a great all around tourer, if a (heavy) full size adventure tourer is too much. The CB500x is really good also but down on power and payload a bit (the Little CB burns regular gas and has good range, which has been important for us).
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That little CB500X has me looking hard at her. Several folks have bought them and have nothing but good to say. Rather cheap too. :laugh: And gets very good gas mileage (if mileage is not that good I may as well drive) and there are kits to buy to make it a passable rough/off roader.
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The first longish trip I took was on my 1974 Yamaha RD-200 Electric. It was a weekend trip...252 miles each way. I wasn't able to pack much and I limited my speed to 55-60, but that bike did great. It initiated a love of touring that I enjoy still.
Imagine my incredulity when a fellow asked me the following question when I was 2500 miles away from home on my California Vintage: "Is an 1100 big enough for travel?"
The only limit you have on what sort of bike you wish to travel on is the weight of you and your luggage. There are many examples of enthusiasts riding incredible distances on Honda Trail 90s! Be smart with your planning and your V7 will make a dandy tourer.
A V7 is bigger than the `70's 650 Triumphs which back then used to be considered big bikes. I know this by comparing my 750 Breva to a late `70s 650 Bonny at a breakfast some years ago a fellow Guzzisti rode. I was curious to compare them size wise and shocked my Breva was actually a little bigger. So size is relative. Both bikes had about the same 48 hp & weight too. Both the Bonny & my Breva will do the Ton. :smiley:
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I travel one-up and don't do camping.
I pack everything I need for a long multi-day trip in a duffel bag and strap that on the small luggage rack (Hepco & Becker) on the Griso.
With other requirements, it would have to be a different set-up.
Find a bike that's comfortable for you and has adequate power. It can be equipped for touring!
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I travel one-up and don't do camping.
I pack everything I need for a long multi-day trip in a duffel bag and strap that on the small luggage rack (Hepco & Becker) on the Griso.
With other requirements, it would have to be a different set-up.
Find a bike that's comfortable for you and has adequate power. It can be equipped for touring!
The wife and I have toured on our 750 Breva 2up with 40L HB bags and a top case while moteling all the way. We weighed 340# together. It was a bit tight but we still put in 500 mile days. The stock Breva seat is very comfortable, unlike the newer V7 seats.
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NT 700 Honda. A very capable 670 cc touring bike...works a treat.
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Get a good 'ol tonti frame bike a build your own. My 850 LeMans gets me around just fine
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I had a BMW R1100RT for quite a while - super competent and comfortable tourer. I have a 1992 K75s now that has hard luggage and is also a good tourer. Both of those old BMWs can be had very inexpensively - and pristine, low-mileage versions can be found if you are patient. Both are fairly heavy - but that translates into stability, which is nice when touring.
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I had a BMW R1100RT for quite a while - super competent and comfortable tourer. I have a 1992 K75s now that has hard luggage and is also a good tourer. Both of those old BMWs can be had very inexpensively - and pristine, low-mileage versions can be found if you are patient. Both are fairly heavy - but that translates into stability, which is nice when touring.
So many great options, really depends on your needs and wants. Also, consider winds - my RT didn't do too great in crosswinds with its big fairing - Duc ST and the Bandit cut through much better. That being said, the RT was a very nimble handling bike and a real mile-eater. Enjoy the search!
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The thing I've found over the years like all the old timers here, is that you don't find out how good your tourer is until a few factors occur at the same time, day after day after day etc... by that I mean, you can accept mediocre power on a good day, one up, no real hills etc. but, picture this. You're carrying a passenger, and it's getting darker sooner than you thought, the wind is now on your nose and you're about to pull out and pass a truck belching black smoke and making your headache worse. So you pull out to pass and because you're tired, you failed to notice that there's 4 cars in front of the truck and you're committed to the pass, so you open the throttle and 65 hp begins to gently accelerate you past the cars toward the dip in the road ahead now bathed in darkness and a set of pathetic headlights pop up out of the dip coming towards you ! The point behind this piece of gratuitous drama is that, anyone can tell you how their 850 Mk 2 Le Mans always looked after them ok but when 2 or 3 things conspire at the SAME TIME to make things difficult it can take all the fun away and sometimes worse. Test ride your bike with luggage on board and a passenger if one's available. You need the best lights you can, best brakes you can, best wind protection (variable on a Norge), best mid range pull 3,500 - 7,000 rpm, and 400 km range, because if you're worried about running out of fuel, you'll probably have to slow down to get to the gas station and at night that's miserable, because if it's raining that cars coming behind you at 30 kph faster, won't see your pathetic taillight that's obscured by your luggage that's covering it since you have insufficient room to fit it all on 'cos you're carrying a passenger. Get the best one you can. (Norges' are beaut)...
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To me, "Touring" is NOT droning on endlessly on the highway (that's what a car is for).
It's more about the ride, not the destination. So the V7 is very adequate for that.
With due respect I get your point, but he's not buying a bike for me, you or anyone else. I know that sounds narky but it's not meant that way at all Cam. As it happens your point is very true IMO, but we don't really know what his expectations are.
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NT 700 Honda. A very capable 670 cc touring bike...works a treat.
Highly underrated !!!
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I can second the idea of a Deauville (Honda NT700). I only put 30k on mine before I sold it. It was not super light at just over 500lb but it wasn't that heavy either. Some owners thought they were a bit top heavy. Fully loaded for camping it was a chore to pick it up after a drop (yes, I did that with mine).
Interesting that Huzo kinda likes it after the treatise on lack of power, cause the NT is definitely lower on power. The T5 with the SPIII fairing felt faster and it was not that great.
But, it goes back to how you want to travel and what style bike you want. Naked and light. More power. Windshield and bags. Forward lean. Lounge chair. Floorboards or pegs. Forward or rearset.
You can tour on a 250cc Ninja or even a scooter. I would not even dream of it, but, there are always a couple 250cc bikes in the Iron Butt rally.
Oh, and I for one was happy to drone along on the interstate or long straight roads, especially when I wanted to eat up miles.
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I am looking for some opinions based on either your own experience owning the bikes or just your obsession with knowing all there is about the new lineup of MG. I am considering buying a new Guzzi for some multi-state touring BUT I am not interested in the 600lb+ beasts in the lineup, like the Norge or Stelvio and I definitely am not a 'bagger' kind of rider. So, is there any one of the V7 or V9 lineup that stands out as the one that would come closest to being a good all around tourer, with the proper equipment? Or are they all about the same...I just don't know all the differences and nuances that may be offered by Guzzi.
Let's see , he isn't interested in 600 LB motorbikes , or baggers , he is curious about the small block. NO NO NO , you want a Norge , or a Honda , or a Harley , or a home built special , or a ... has anyone mentioned a Ducati ST ?? :shocked: :evil: Some of you guys remind me of the salesman my mom and I encountered years ago . We were looking for a nice basic car for her , only needed to haul her and a very occasional passenger the few miles from her place to town, and be capable of dealing with some bad roads . The salesman kept steering us towards something that resembled the car from National Lampoon's Vacation . The salesman kept saying things like " You'll appreciate all this extra room when the kids come to visit" , and " The road hugging weight on this car is great" . We went somewhere else :rolleyes:
Dusty
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The thing I've found over the years like all the old timers here, is that you don't find out how good your tourer is until a few factors occur at the same time, day after day after day etc... by that I mean, you can accept mediocre power on a good day, one up, no real hills etc. but, picture this. You're carrying a passenger, and it's getting darker sooner than you thought, the wind is now on your nose and you're about to pull out and pass a truck belching black smoke and making your headache worse. So you pull out to pass and because you're tired, you failed to notice that there's 4 cars in front of the truck and you're committed to the pass, so you open the throttle and 65 hp begins to gently accelerate you past the cars toward the dip in the road ahead now bathed in darkness and a set of pathetic headlights pop up out of the dip coming towards you ! The point behind this piece of gratuitous drama is that, anyone can tell you how their 850 Mk 2 Le Mans always looked after them ok but when 2 or 3 things conspire at the SAME TIME to make things difficult it can take all the fun away and sometimes worse. Test ride your bike with luggage on board and a passenger if one's available. You need the best lights you can, best brakes you can, best wind protection (variable on a Norge), best mid range pull 3,500 - 7,000 rpm, and 400 km range, because if you're worried about running out of fuel, you'll probably have to slow down to get to the gas station and at night that's miserable, because if it's raining that cars coming behind you at 30 kph faster, won't see your pathetic taillight that's obscured by your luggage that's covering it since you have insufficient room to fit it all on 'cos you're carrying a passenger. Get the best one you can. (Norges' are beaut)...
Respectfully, this is nonsense meant to sell/justify something the OP said he didn't want in the first place.
Your scenario is easily remedied:
1. Don't pass a truck blind.
2. Don't pass a truck with a dip in the road ahead.
3. Don't pass too close to dusk.
4. Don't ride too fast near dusk (forest rats be it marsupials mammals or plain old mammals tend to do stupid things at that time of day).
5. If a truck is belching black smoke and it's giving you a headache you can also drop back, take 5 minutes, and stop pacing him.
Or stated another way:
You need the best lights you can, best brakes you can, best wind protection (variable on a Norge), best mid range pull 3,500 - 7,000 rpm
Cause let's face it - no GUZZI is going to win all of those categories (if any).
And that last one is humorous, it's like Kramer being dojo champion.
"Best mid range pull, downhill, on a low humidity night, between 3995 rpm and 4225 rpm, on a Tuesday, with a full-super-moon"
:kiss: :boozing: :evil:
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NT 700 Honda. A very capable 670 cc touring bike...works a treat.
Highly underrated !!!
And then after all that BS about best head lights, brakes, and power you make that statement about this bastion of mediocrity?
Oy Gevalt!
I can second the idea of a Deauville (Honda NT700). <snip>
Interesting that Huzo kinda likes it after the treatise on lack of power, cause the NT is definitely lower on power. The T5 with the SPIII fairing felt faster and it was not that great.
And I'm not the only one to notice! :copcar: :afro:
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I can second the idea of a Deauville (Honda NT700).
Interesting that Huzo kinda likes it after the treatise on lack of power, cause the NT is definitely lower on power. The T5 with the SPIII fairing felt faster and it was not that great.
Yeah Charlie that does seem contradictory and to a large degree probably is, but what I meant was that given the absolutely vile criticism they got here for no good reason, they seem to do a damn good job of what they were designed for, although I've never owned or ridden one but owners seem to like them, the poor old CX 500 Honda got the label "plastic maggot" and I don't know what they did to deserve that, in that way they were underrated also by the fact that too many people thought they were shite. Back to the power thing, I'd still maintain that the Doughville (sic) would hit a bit of a wall if you took it past it's design brief, but I guess in fairness that goes for anything. I just don't know why you'd buy one when you could get a VTR 1000 for similar money. As for lack of power, everything's gutless compared to a Hyabusa, GTR 1400 or similar but if you're about to write a cheque for a tourer, what's the point in coming home with something that's "pretty good". I just reckon carrying the extra capability that a suitably large bike has, is worth it even if you never extract that chunk of performance.
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Let's see , he isn't interested in 600 LB motorbikes , or baggers , he is curious about the small block. NO NO NO , you want a Norge , or a Honda , or a Harley , or a home built special , or a ... has anyone mentioned a Ducati ST ?? :shocked: :evil: Some of you guys remind me of the salesman my mom and I encountered years ago . We were looking for a nice basic car for her , only needed to haul her and a very occasional passenger the few miles from her place to town, and be capable of dealing with some bad roads . The salesman kept steering us towards something that resembled the car from National Lampoon's Vacation . The salesman kept saying things like " You'll appreciate all this extra room when the kids come to visit" , and " The road hugging weight on this car is great" . We went somewhere else :rolleyes:
Dusty
Yeah look Dusty You're right, just buy something that looks like it'll work and ride the bastard 'till it wears out. It's probably possible to over think this stuff, bugger it, on a good day there's no such thing as a "bad" bike if you're having fun.
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Highly underrated !!!
And then after all that BS about best head lights, brakes, and power you make that statement about this bastion of mediocrity?
Oy Gevalt!
And I'm not the only one to notice! :copcar: :afro:
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Kev, I said that I thought it was underrated because of the stinking reputation that they have, not because I or you would want one. I think you'd argue about two flies walking up the wall but you're not doing any harm I guess. Now as for your solution about how not to get in trouble in the ways that I described, you are absolutely correct but you know it can and sometimes does happen. If you think my scenario is BS then I have to admit that most of the time it is, but I was only trying to point out that the better capability you have, the more chance you have of enjoying yourself and staying alive. I did try to understand what your response meant but it's a bit over my head. I'd value your opinion if you'd, care to re present it in English though. Oh and Kev, I'm not trying to justify or sell the idea of a Norge to anyone, I couldn't give a rats ass if no one else on earth owned one, I just happen to be happy with the fact that it's the best bike I've ever owned and while there's Harley Fergusons out there, I'll know it's not the ugliest bike on the road.
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Let's see ... you want a Norge , or a Honda , or a Harley , or a home built special , or a ... has anyone mentioned a Ducati ST ?? :shocked: :evil:
Dusty
Not me, nope. I didn't mention the Ducati ST.
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Admittedly, my longest day with the Lario has been 400 and change miles..but it's completely capable of "touring."
So's a V7/V9. Same basic platform forever.
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Of course, when I get old :evil: I may have to drop down to the Monza.. :smiley:
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I think a V9 would be a good light tourer if it fits you ergonomically. It has decent power and it's physically a bit bigger than a V7. Throw on a windscreen and some soft luggage and you're good to go.
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I think a V9 would be a good light tourer if it fits you ergonomically. It has decent power and it's physically a bit bigger than a V7. Throw on a windscreen and some soft luggage and you're good to go.
Yes mate, fundamentally anything that starts and stops will tour. You will eventually have to live some shortcomings no matter what you're on. Some aspects are more important to get right than others. What capacity is the fuel tank in litres and what does that translate to in effective range ?
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Not me, nope. I didn't mention the Ducati ST.
I almost bought an ST - but at the time I ended up with my BMW RT instead. I regret that - and still look longingly at the ST2, 3, and 4 when I stumble upon them on Craigslist.
Adventure bikes make great tourers too. My KTM 950 Adventure would go anywhere with lots of gear and three hard cases. While heavy by dirt-bike standards, it's a featherweight by tourer standards.
You know what else makes me get all stoopid? The Cagiva Gran Canyon. It's a 900cc Ducati motor in an adventure bike with hard bags. Very reasonably priced, not too many out there, but would probably make a great sporty, lightweight touring mount that is more than capable of touring some dirt roads. And if that interests you, you should probably also be looking at the Moto Guzzi Quota...
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Go to the ADVRider website...people have toured (around the world in some cases) on every motorized two- and three-wheeled conveyance known to the civilized world and it appears that 99% of them had the time of their lives regardless of the size or intial suitability for traveling...
Pick something, load it up, and go...if it doesn't work out, get something else. Ride.
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Kev, I said that I thought it was underrated because of the stinking reputation that they have, not because I or you would want one. I think you'd argue about two flies walking up the wall but you're not doing any harm I guess. Now as for your solution about how not to get in trouble in the ways that I described, you are absolutely correct but you know it can and sometimes does happen. If you think my scenario is BS then I have to admit that most of the time it is, but I was only trying to point out that the better capability you have, the more chance you have of enjoying yourself and staying alive. I did try to understand what your response meant but it's a bit over my head. I'd value your opinion if you'd, care to re present it in English though. Oh and Kev, I'm not trying to justify or sell the idea of a Norge to anyone, I couldn't give a rats ass if no one else on earth owned one, I just happen to be happy with the fact that it's the best bike I've ever owned and while there's Harley Fergusons out there, I'll know it's not the ugliest bike on the road.
Well are the flies actually walking up the wall or climbing???
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Kev, I said that I thought it was underrated because of the stinking reputation that they have, not because I or you would want one. I think you'd argue about two flies walking up the wall but you're not doing any harm I guess. Now as for your solution about how not to get in trouble in the ways that I described, you are absolutely correct but you know it can and sometimes does happen. If you think my scenario is BS then I have to admit that most of the time it is, but I was only trying to point out that the better capability you have, the more chance you have of enjoying yourself and staying alive. I did try to understand what your response meant but it's a bit over my head. I'd value your opinion if you'd, care to re present it in English though. Oh and Kev, I'm not trying to justify or sell the idea of a Norge to anyone, I couldn't give a rats ass if no one else on earth owned one, I just happen to be happy with the fact that it's the best bike I've ever owned and while there's Harley Fergusons out there, I'll know it's not the ugliest bike on the road.
Serious answer.
I enjoy the friendly banter my friend.
If you ever make it to NJ please let me host you and buy a couple (dozen?) rounds.
My premise is born of long choosing the underdog of performance.
I've ridden Harleys and Guzzis through the rush hour traffic or high speed mid-day bustle of major highways in NYC, Philly, DC, Baltimore, Atlanta, Los Angeles, and a number of other metropolises. And I've ridden many, many more miles on the various suburban expanses between them.
I've never, not once in my life thought "shit just a few more HP would save my life.'
But I've many, many times noticed how slowing can help slow everything else around me.
So yes, is just my opinion based on my limited experience, but slowing is WAY WAY more effective to me then going with regards to safety.
I enjoyed my B11 (half-naked Norge) and can appreciate what a fine machine it was. I've also had the privilege of riding press bike after press bike and deciding NOT to buy them afterwards.
The OP seems to have an understanding of what he wants. He wasn't asking for us to redefine it, just to explain if there was a Guzzi that meets his basic requirements. He already dismissed the CARCS as NOT meeting them. Why the hell are some of us still trying to change his mind?
I'm not trying to convince anyone what they need, never mind what they want, but I do know from experience what they CAN do with a smallblock IF IT MEETS THEIR DESIRES.
I guess that's all I'm debating.
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Awww screw it! Go get a Toyota!
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i think it does not matter what you ride to tour on , over the years I have come across riders on all kinds of bikes some by choice and some by necessity met a young fellow that rode a CT90 from Seattle to Prince Edward Island Canada and back, a long ways on any motorcycle , he putters along at 40 mph and loved his trip for the most part, had her packed up with all the gear he needed , camping all the way there and back. At the time it was all he had and the bike didnt skip a beat. good way to really see the country nice and easy.
Talked with a rider that rode a Vincent about the same distance only through the southern USA an back via Canada to Vancouver , total commitment to his bike and the adventure of his ride., he was loving every minute of it.On the large scale met a couple from Calgary on a Wing , tent trailer the whole works they travel all year.. winter in Florida , many stories of their travels all over Canada and the USA including Alaska, i met them when i was on a 4500 mile trip on my Suzuki GSXR 1100 and had nothing but a tail pack and tank bag.
Any motorcycle can tour and its the rider that makes the adventure happen you adapt and ride.
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Excuse me, could someone please help me find the Moto Guzzi forum? :violent1:
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Excuse me, could someone please help me find the Moto Guzzi forum? :violent1:
Loved touring on my Breva 1100 with hard panniers and top case. Had for a song these days.
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Serious answer.
I enjoy the friendly banter my friend.
If you ever make it to NJ please let me host you and buy a couple (dozen?) rounds.
My premise is born of long choosing the underdog of performance.
I've ridden Harleys and Guzzis through the rush hour traffic or high speed mid-day bustle of major highways in NYC, Philly, DC, Baltimore, Atlanta, Los Angeles, and a number of other metropolises. And I've ridden many, many more miles on the various suburban expanses between them.
I've never, not once in my life thought "shit just a few more HP would save my life.'
But I've many, many times noticed how slowing can help slow everything else around me.
So yes, is just my opinion based on my limited experience, but slowing is WAY WAY more effective to me then going with regards to safety.
I enjoyed my B11 (half-naked Norge) and can appreciate what a fine machine it was. I've also had the privilege of riding press bike after press bike and deciding NOT to buy them afterwards.
The OP seems to have an understanding of what he wants. He wasn't asking for us to redefine it, just to explain if there was a Guzzi that meets his basic requirements. He already dismissed the CARCS as NOT meeting them. Why the hell are some of us still trying to change his mind?
I'm not trying to convince anyone what they need, never mind what they want, but I do know from experience what they CAN do with a smallblock IF IT MEETS THEIR DESIRES.
I guess that's all I'm debating.
Oh ok Kev, that's shifted things completely and I also enjoy it too. Look Kev, I didn't want to even try to swing the guy towards what I have, I only said that I reckon they're beaut as a bit of a light hearted quip. But honestly Kev, you've been around a long time and done heaps, do you think what I said really was BS ? I'd admit it if it was but we know that sort of stuff happens, but anyway, thanks for the post and I enjoy the banter when I know that's what it is.
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Excuse me, could someone please help me find the Moto Guzzi forum? :violent1:
Yeah, good point...
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I know this is a Guzzi forum but the ST1100 is the best touring bike I have ever owned and this one happens to be for sale.
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I know this is a Guzzi forum but the ST1100 is the best touring bike I have ever owned and this one happens to be for sale.
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They must be absolutely bulletproof, but he doesn't want anything too heavy
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So I re-read the original post, and the ONLY family of bikes that fills the bill is the current small block Guzzis.
Bobber, Roamer.
Or any of the V7 series.
So I say get a Stornello. Awesome looking thing. Tie on some laundry, keep the credit card charged up and have at it.
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I am looking for some opinions based on either your own experience owning the bikes or just your obsession with knowing all there is about the new lineup of MG. I am considering buying a new Guzzi for some multi-state touring BUT I am not interested in the 600lb+ beasts in the lineup, like the Norge or Stelvio and I definitely am not a 'bagger' kind of rider. So, is there any one of the V7 or V9 lineup that stands out as the one that would come closest to being a good all around tourer, with the proper equipment? Or are they all about the same...I just don't know all the differences and nuances that may be offered by Guzzi.
For touring you will want a few things, if you're like me. Low pipes so saddle bags fit easier and have available racks, large tank for range, tubeless tires (my preference for flat fixing), ability for wind protection and seat options (all bums are different so one size doesn't fit all).
Based on the above I would go with a simple V7 Stone and start kitting it out to your taste. Bike had adequate power and standard ergos so a nice blank canvas. Good luck.
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Lots of options, not sure about a Guzzi though.... Depends what you want for Weather protection and seat options. The V7 may have more options than the V9. I dont think EITHER are good for touring, but I know a guy who 'tours; on a vespa so........ You just need to find what fits and speaks to you.
I like the MV Agusta, Yamaha FJ09, or Aprilia Mana/Shiver, but there is also the BMW F800, Honda VFR 800, or NC700, for the dual sport/tour approach the Triumph Tiger, Kawa Versys, Suzuki VStrom 650's, Then there is also DUC Hypermotard/Strada, A bunch of Yamahas (FZ, FJ), and a growing list of 'sporting -touring Cruiser style bikes.
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The MV Turismo Veloce is a world-beater. All day comfortable, but doesn't give up anything when you reach the twisties. MSRP is about twice the V7. But by the time you've put money into hard luggage, windshield, and better suspension for the V7, the difference is not so shocking. It also helps if you buy the MV at bankruptcy sale prices.
I'm still going to put a V7 or V9 in my garage, but I expect the MV will get the nod for touring.
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I love my V7 and I am sure it could fill your needs here (because I have done several long overnight journeys with it), but my GF just got a Kawasaki Vulcan S and threw some saddle bags and a windshield on there for under $300 total and that bike is low, light and has a nice highway cruising feel.
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I been following this thread with interest but haven't commented so far as touring conditions here are their own thing. (No superslab for a start)
I do wonder though if cee2cee is still bothering to follow the thread. In his OP the choice was limited to a V7 or a V9 and asked for reasons for choosing one over the other.
Well, a touring bike has to be reasonably comfortable, have a good range, be able to cruise at the speed you want to cruise at carrying the load you want to carry, and have ways of attaching such a load. Beyond that it needs to be versatile enough to cope easily with the places you are likely to want to take it.
Size and weight seem to me to be inversely proportional to versatility.
For that reason and especially it's lack of range the V9 would, I think, discount itself. (and that's not taking into account the crap styling and the silly fat front wheel on one of them)
That leaves the V7.
I own a bike for touring and were I in the market for a bike right now that would also be my choice also.
This is especially so since I had my first ride on a small block (Muzz's 750 Breva)
With Muzz on the back the beastie was as happy as a pig in a poke at 80 mph and I sure as hell wouldn't be touring at more than that, so it has all the power it needs for the job.
One should not forget that not at all that long ago a 750 was considered a mighty big bike. They haven't shrunk.
Outfit the V7 with bags and you're good to go.
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OK OP, its time to weigh in here. You have got enough opinions to gag a maggot, what have you concluded, other than half the posters on this board don't know how to read?
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The OP hasn't been active for almost 8 days , somethings tells me he or she went into information overload :shocked: :rolleyes:
Dusty
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The OP hasn't been active for almost 8 days , somethings tells me he or she went into information overload :shocked: :rolleyes:
Dusty
Could be we kilt him/her with kindness ;)
Best,
Carlo
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The OP hasn't been active for almost 8 days , somethings tells me he or she went into information overload :shocked: :rolleyes:
Dusty
Or out touring the world on a Wee-Strom!
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Could be we kilt him/her with kindness ;)
Best,
Carlo
Well, you know, one of the good things about reading WG posts is that you don't HAVE to read the stuff that isn't applicable to you at that moment.
I've got no problem at all, if I were to say "I don't want saddle bags, but I want to tour. Which V7 model, or V9, would be good for this?", to see whatever people might say about that.
If we're going to stay with the "Thread Purity" philosophy, then the answer is simple. Any V7 or V9, and mount a top box to the back, and go. Two or three posts and done. Under "strict rules of golf", nothing else is allowed to be mentioned.
But that's never the way we roll here, and with the exception of a few control freaks, no one wants to. We figure it MIGHT be helpful if we talk about throw-over panniers, or KLRs, or our experience with touring on a 500, or something that's marginally off-topic. Then that might morph a bit into "Is Too, Is Not, Is Too" among some of the more opinionated, but that's easily skimmed or skipped with no harm to the thread content/theme.
Just because a big buffet is laid out, you don't need to run away just because you can't eat all of it in one sitting ....
Lannis
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Indeed Lannis, without your sage wisdom we would all be lost.
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Indeed Lannis, without your sage wisdom we would all be lost.
A few of you would, anyway.
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I have toured (more than two day trips) on a KLR, KTM 950 Adventure, Honda Valkyrie, BMW F800GS, CSC RX3 and Moto Guzzi Stelvio.
They were all good trips, and some bikes were more comfortable and capable than others. My overall favorite is the Stelvio. But, I'm not getting any younger, and the Stelvio is tall and heavy, so I traded it in on a 2016 V7II Stone. I'm still in the process of kitting it out with bags, windscreen and more, and haven't done any multiday trips yet, but, if the first 1100 miles are any indication, it is going to be an excellent touring machine.
Some of the reasons I chose it: easy servicing, shaft drive and tubeless tires. I fell in love with the Moto Guzzi mystique riding the Stelvio. And I think the exhaust sound is wonderful (OEM mufflers).
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I have toured (more than two day trips) on a KLR, KTM 950 Adventure, Honda Valkyrie, BMW F800GS, CSC RX3 and Moto Guzzi Stelvio.
They were all good trips, and some bikes were more comfortable and capable than others. My overall favorite is the Stelvio. But, I'm not getting any younger, and the Stelvio is tall and heavy, so I traded it in on a 2016 V7II Stone. I'm still in the process of kitting it out with bags, windscreen and more, and haven't done any multiday trips yet, but, if the first 1100 miles are any indication, it is going to be an excellent touring machine.
Some of the reasons I chose it: easy servicing, shaft drive and tubeless tires. I fell in love with the Moto Guzzi mystique riding the Stelvio. And I think the exhaust sound is wonderful (OEM mufflers).
I've been doing a great deal of reading about the V7II, also (and for the same reason). I sometimes ride the wife's BV500 around town, instead of my Vintage. That water-cooled scooter is the answer in traffic...mostly due to it's light weight. Well, it turns out the wet weight of the V7II is even less than the Beverly! I will jump on a Stone if the planets align...probably the coolest total package for a motorcycle that is available.
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I believe the person who said: "The bike that best fits you would be the one to go with..." Very true...! :thumb: :cool:
In 2004-2005, I toured all around Germany, Belgium, and the Netherlands on this classic '93 Triumph Trident 900 and it was just fine! Good bike, light, smooth, fast and reliable...and it fit me perfectly! :thumb: :cool:
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My purchase of the NC700X proved how much fun and versatile a tourer smaller, lighter and "ahem,ahem" underpowered bikes can be.
My longest trip on it has only been a 1400 mile weekend jaunt but I did not feel I needed much more than what I was on.
Of course, it helps that I'm sort of a minimalist by nature.
Yesterday I received Ratguzzi's Breva 750 and I can't wait to get that little "underpowered" bike on a road trip.