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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: frogeye100 on December 30, 2016, 10:37:51 AM
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Hi there,
New here and considering the purchase of a 07' Breva 1100. 12k miles, looks perfect and runs very nice but see some evidence of oil on the rear wheel (CARC). Price is $3700 firm, no maintenace records. My question: is there a reliable reasonable vendor source to send the CARC for bearing, seal upgrade? Would like to be prepared and factor the possible cost in my decision. Your thoughts are greatly appreciated.
Dean
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The price is right for sure, I would buy it no question.
Just hold on expert advice will be along shortly.
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Well you might start with telling us where you are located. Then we might be able to tell you the nearest GOOD dealer or repair shop.
Dean
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While I also like the bike, if the carc is jacked up the cost of repair might suck the joy out of it. I dont have a issue removing it and shipping it to the absolute best reasonably priced resource in the US.
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I think what Dean meant when he asked for a location is to give you options for a pre-sale evaluation of the bike. Then you'd know if what you see is anything to worry about, and if so, how much to fix. I don't think he meant that you should buy it with a trashed carc.
$0.02
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IMHO way too much for a bike that is brutally hot in the summer. Expect the dash to do all kinds of weird things. Sure it is fun to ride as I have over 50K on mine, but I have friends to give me a ride home.
Tex
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IMHO way too much for a bike that is brutally hot in the summer. Expect the dash to do all kinds of weird things. Sure it is fun to ride as I have over 50K on mine, but I have friends to give me a ride home.
Tex
Tex, I've been riding a 2008 1200 Sport since March 2009, and one thing I haven't noticed is excessive heat. I wonder if the heat is caused on the B11 because the cat converter is located under the engine? I think the 1200 Sport converter is located in the slip-on can (muffler.) I know for fact it isn't located under the engine, where heat from the cat could certainly make things uncomfortable.
What I have noticed is dashboard failure. Lost the LCD at about 60,000 miles, and was fortunate to find a dash from a WG member which works ok.
Bob
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Great bike, make sure it's running right when you get it. A well sorted Breva 1100 should become available at around the dollars you're looking at. Don't take on a project unless you have a good handle on the expected repair cost and it's factored into the purchase price. My 2c. Again, great bike.
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Tex, I've been riding a 2008 1200 Sport since March 2009, and one thing I haven't noticed is excessive heat. I wonder if the heat is caused on the B11 because the cat converter is located under the engine? I think the 1200 Sport converter is located in the slip-on can (muffler.) I know for fact it isn't located under the engine, where heat from the cat could certainly make things uncomfortable.
What I have noticed is dashboard failure. Lost the LCD at about 60,000 miles, and was fortunate to find a dash from a WG member which works ok.
Bob
Nope, not just the cat.
I replaced the crossover (with the cat on the B11) with a Guzzitech crossover and though the heat improved it was still too hot on days over 80°F.
I also used a Guzzitech reflash fwiw. But I ran it with and without the reflash after the crossover was installed and can't say it really made a difference in temps.
I always felt like the problem was the tank shape and trim (sponsoons), and maybe the oil cooler location too. But I expect those are pretty similar on the B12.
Maybe there are some tuning differences or maybe something else we're not thinking of at this point?
Surely it can't be all handlebar related?
As for the dash it got wonky by something like 15-17k miles and then failed multiple times.
Great bike in some ways though...
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I'd like to unload my POS Breva but I'm to ugly to hide and too fat to run so I can't dump the thing on a fellow Guzzist.
Tex
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Some of the early B11's had a duff bearing in the CARC but by 2007 that shouldn't of been an issue.
If it's leaking though chances are the large support bearing is cactus and the seal is leaking. Not a huge job to fix. Bearing and seal and a couple of hours labour.
Pete
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I guess that answers my question????
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I guess that answers my question????
3 lines of text and that's all you need to know... And on my '07 Norge, (faired Breva) if it's "brutally hot", I just ride to somewhere cooler. Arctic circle works well.
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I really like mine. It does run hotter than the older Cal bikes, mostly I think its due to state of tune. I pulled my crossover/cat off and put a clear flow pipe in its place, mainly to reduce weight, and I didn't notice that it really ran any cooler. I don't feel that it puts out a whole lot more heat, it will warm my shins and thigh on really hot days, but not so much that I'm bothered by it. I agree with Kev, I think it has to due with the routing of air, and the fact that the motor is tuned for more HP than the Cals, and more power creates more heat.
It's a great handling bike, and is a total multi purpose fighter! Some folks have had their dash's go bad, and that can get pretty expensive! I, so far have had no problems with my bike at all. Proper set up is super important, in my opinion. The bike, like many modern Guzzi will run and seem pretty good, that is until you have it "tuned up" by a real Guzzi Tech specialist. There are a handful that I know of, surly I don't know them all. I base this on experience. I had a 1100 Bassa Cal, that I thought ran pretty good. After several years of ownership I took it to RoseFarm Classics, a well respected Guzzi dealer her in IL, when Jim B got done with it, it ran and handled far better than I realized it could.
I'm not trying to scare you off, too the contrary. Its a wonderful ride when its adjusted the way it should be. Perhaps just an ok ride, if someone fooled around with it that didn't know better.
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Oh, mine did start a mild rear end leak at the Carc shortly after I bought it. It was spurting drips of oil on the rear wheel, looked like black rain. It wasn't real bad, but it was certainly not right. Took it back and the seal, that I suspect Pete is referring to, was replaced under warranty, and has been right ever since.
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Is it possible that someone left the washer off when re-installing the CARC fill plug or left the plug a little loose?
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I really like mine. It does run hotter than the older Cal bikes, mostly I think its due to state of tune. I pulled my crossover/cat off and put a clear flow pipe in its place, mainly to reduce weight, and I didn't notice that it really ran any cooler. I don't feel that it puts out a whole lot more heat, it will warm my shins and thigh on really hot days, but not so much that I'm bothered by it. I agree with Kev, I think it has to due with the routing of air, and the fact that the motor is tuned for more HP than the Cals, and more power creates more heat.
It's a great handling bike, and is a total multi purpose fighter! Some folks have had their dash's go bad, and that can get pretty expensive! I, so far have had no problems with my bike at all. Proper set up is super important, in my opinion. The bike, like many modern Guzzi will run and seem pretty good, that is until you have it "tuned up" by a real Guzzi Tech specialist. There are a handful that I know of, surly I don't know them all. I base this on experience. I had a 1100 Bassa Cal, that I thought ran pretty good. After several years of ownership I took it to RoseFarm Classics, a well respected Guzzi dealer her in IL, when Jim B got done with it, it ran and handled far better than I realized it could.
I'm not trying to scare you off, too the contrary. Its a wonderful ride when its adjusted the way it should be. Perhaps just an ok ride, if someone fooled around with it that didn't know better.
I'm really torn because I have some great memories of mine.
Thing is if you can live with some dash uncertainty the heat was a killer for me.
I'm warm blooded and prone to sweating as it is, so the constant state of swampy crotch sweat the occurred when temps were 80°F or more meant our stayed in the garage.
The said it was brilliant 79°F and down.
As for state of tune the cylinder heads on it actually tested 100°F cooler or so than the heads on the Harley I STILL HAVE and don't hesitate to ride in those temps.
And my V7 isn't remotely uncomfortable with regards to heat in the dead of summer.
B11 a brilliant bike in many ways... But not in some about which I care.
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So tempted, owned by a friend that might trade for my 2001 kawasaki ZRX1200R plus cash. The ZRX is perfect and has its own unique vintage superbike character.
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I still like my B1100. Purchased it in the beginning of summer for my first bike. Lurked on this forum for a couple of years before becoming an owner. The information I found put my mind at ease. Knowing I have at my fingertips a huge base of firsthand knowledge gave me the confidence to purchase and maintain the bike myself. The Guzziology book is useful as well.
Thus far, I have dealt with many of the common ailments. i.e. Leaky oil pressure, Phase sensor gaskets, timing cover oil seal and plastic fuel filter. The previous owner took care of Startus Interuptus. For me, this is just normal upkeep and part of the enjoyable experience.
I learned a lot being a first time Guzzi owner. i.e. Fluid changes, valve lash adjustments, ECU maps and throttle body synchronization.
If I saw the Breva 1100 you were interested in, I would be on the fence too. However, my heart would win over my brain and I would buy it. Repairing bikes brings me joy even though I am by no means a professional mechanic.
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I have a 06 Berva 1100 and have no issues and is one of the best bikes I have ever owned. Completely different from your ZXR so you need to ride the Breva. Compared to the ZXR you will run out of Guzzi, just does not have the same amount of power.
Heat: Could not ride the bike in the summer for the first 7K. Have no idea what changed but by 8K bike was fine. Rode it through the great basin in July to the cost from Utah no problem, ok we were lucky temps stayed in the low to mid 90s.
CARC: Ask your friend why it's Leaking, did he refill or change the oil recently?
Overall I can’t recommend this bike highly enough but as with anything there can be issues. I have about 12K on mine now and I am completely happy! Good luck
Bob
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So tempted, owned by a friend that might trade for my 2001 kawasaki ZRX1200R plus cash. The ZRX is perfect and has its own unique vintage superbike character.
I get it. There's A LOT to like about it:
1. Balance - of handling and power, feel and comfort, capability and visceralness.
2. Ease of maintenance. From valve adjustments to tire changes.
3. Excellent components from lightweight Marchesini wheels and Brembo brakes to decent enough suspensions and fuel capacity.
4. Built like a freakin tank from frame to motor. You're not going to break it easily.
There are a lot of reasons I remember it fondly, but I just wouldn't want someone to go into it blind. Then again there are no (few?) perfect bikes?
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161231/2e0a2628699c650bc8763d8645af9ee2.jpg)
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So tempted, owned by a friend that might trade for my 2001 kawasaki ZRX1200R plus cash. The ZRX is perfect and has its own unique vintage superbike character.
Apples and oranges with the Kawi. Make sure you ride it, and take some time on the highway with 3rd and 4th gear roll ons. The B11 does not have 120hp like your Kawi. It's got plenty of go, but you need to know what you're getting.
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He did just change the final drive lube. He hasnt owned it long. He trades bikes more than anybody I know. I am not a speed freak, my other bike is a 97' R1100R and like big twin torque.
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He did just change the final drive lube. He hasnt owned it long. He trades bikes more than anybody I know. I am not a speed freak, my other bike is a 97' R1100R and like big twin torque.
Fwiw, I liked my B11 more than I liked my R1100RS.
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The b11 is a really great traveling bike with great balance but ! , there's always a but , in the guzzi tradition it's a machine designed to test you with its full collection of annoying problems, i still have mine so the pleasure must still be in front of the problems.
John
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A great bike.
Dean
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I'd like to unload my POS Breva but I'm to ugly to hide and too fat to run so I can't dump the thing on a fellow Guzzist.
Tex
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Eat those words. POS is maybe the operator, sorry if I may offend but I say it like it is. The Breva is a great bike. I would never sell mine. On the leak issue it could be the oil sensor or valve cover gasket leaks. Buy the bike and don't look back.
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I have a 2006 breva 1100 that I bought new.
Have had a lot of issies , all under warranty and fixed by MPH. I only took it to MPH twice for warranty issues, the last one was around 7k miles when the dash failed, the starter failed, the throttle bodies where weaping fuel, and unknown to me at the time, a bearing in the transmission had been eating itself.
Luckily for me, Mike at MPH caught the bearing, and was able to fix all the issues in one trip. Houston is about a 5 hour drive each way for me.
since that time, the bike sits with about 50k miles. Aside from brakes, tires, oil and filter changes, spark plugs, it has been bullet proof. Aside from a leaking oil sender, that I finally replaced with an AutoZone sensor, and has been fine.
I did reach out for a new map for the Breva, Beetle didn't have one, but another member did. I downloaded the Guzzidag software, ordered the wires, and did the swap. The map cured the pinging, seems to start easier and idle better and no pinging!!! there may be a slight decrease in fuel mileage, but if it is less it isn't much.
the engine heat is hot in the summer time, but it is nice in the winter time. I can tell you I have kept this bike longer and with miles than any of the other bikes I have ever owned, except maybe my ft500 in the eighties. Great ride, has all the power I need even with the wife and luggage.
For me, best bike I have ever owned, does it all. Its great to have all the knowledge that this forum dispenses, I am here several times a week. I am not enamored with the dash, the sensor keys, and other electronic doo-dads, but it hasn't been an issue yet. The dash is the biggest concern, but the new one has been fine so far.
I would do the MPH startus interruptis fix, never buy a lithium battery, and get the throttle bodies balanced.
Old Head
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He did just change the final drive lube. He hasnt owned it long. He trades bikes more than anybody I know. I am not a speed freak, my other bike is a 97' R1100R and like big twin torque.
Sounds like a GO unless you get upset by the prospect of niggling problems that are solvable by accessing Guzzi wise heads.
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Fwiw, I liked my B11 more than I liked my R1100RS.
Yeah Kev, I agree (for once). I only tour with one bloke and he owns a BMW R1100S and I'm on an '07 Norge. Much like your comparison, I know on most KPI's the BMW is "better" but it's still not as "good". What's the reality behind that ?
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Yeah Kev, I agree (for once). I only tour with one bloke and he owns a BMW R1100S and I'm on an '07 Norge. Much like your comparison, I know on most KPI's the BMW is "better" but it's still not as "good". What's the reality behind that ?
I think it comes down to the experience being more than the sum... It's feel vs. spec sheet.
In 1996 I test rode a Harley Road King and a new BMW R1100R. The "R" was a "better" performing bike in all metrics. It stopped better, turned better, went better...
...I bought the RK and NEVER regretted it.
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As for the dash it got wonky by something like 15-17k miles and then failed multiple times.
Great bike in some ways though...
It failed at 17k. I replaced it with a new, zero mile one, that one failed at 7k miles. I replaced that one with a used one from ebay, and sold the bike after putting an additional 5k miles on it. I didn't want to still own it when the dash failed again.
The clutch failed at around 24k miles. $1,800 later, it was back on the road (didn't have time to do it myself). Within a month of getting it back on the road, was when the second dash failed. Needless to say, I was pissed. If that had happened before the clutch failed, I would've likely parted out the bike. In the three years I owned it, I only put 14k miles on it in the three years I had it (sat for 10 months until I decided that I'd never have the time to do the clutch). During that time, I put $3k into repairs (clutch + two dashes). Aside from the heat issues (which made it a great cold-weather bike), I loved the bike, but, if it was my first Guzzi, it would've been my last.
That said, not everyone has had this bad an experience, and I fully believe it is likely reliable now that I paid dearly to sort it out. The clutch was replaced with an improved design clutch purchased from Moto International.
Here is a 2007 with only 5K miles on it for sale in NJ:
http://newjersey.craigslist.org/mcy/5932377176.html (http://newjersey.craigslist.org/mcy/5932377176.html)
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Fwiw, I liked my B11 more than I liked my R1100RS.
I liked the B11 better than the R1150R that I considered replacing it with.
In the end, I bought a F800GT, which is lighter than both, and while I'm not crazy about it's looks, it has great wind protection, is a good bit lighter than both the B11 and the oil-head BMW's. I've put just shy of 10k trouble free miles on it in the 16 months that I've had it.
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Why did the clutch fail? That's an exepensive repair for such low mileage. I would have been pissed too.
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I think it comes down to the experience being more than the sum... It's feel vs. spec sheet.
In 1996 I test rode a Harley Road King and a new BMW R1100R. The "R" was a "better" performing bike in all metrics. It stopped better, turned better, went better...
...I bought the RK and NEVER regretted it.
Yeah, strange but true.
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Why did the clutch fail? That's an exepensive repair for such low mileage. I would have been pissed too.
No idea.
I mean it really wasn't abused (anymore or less than any other bike I've owned and the only clutch I've ever had to replace on my own bike was a 90k+ airhead with a leaky rear main seal).
<shrugs>
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IMHO way too much for a bike that is brutally hot in the summer. Expect the dash to do all kinds of weird things. Sure it is fun to ride as I have over 50K on mine, but I have friends to give me a ride home.
Tex
Seems like an odd comment... I know it's hot in texas with all that sun and miles of straight roads... but I ride my Breva in southern summers with temps in the 90's+ and very high hummidity.. Never felt the heat was much of an issue
As for the dash, I think there are roughly 20x more issues with the Sport 1200 (white face) dash than the Brevas or Norge have reported.. and the sport dash issue seems to be pretty rare (tho a major PITA if it goes out)
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I'm curious if all you guys complaining about the heat are running your chin fairing?
I took mine off early (didn't like the look, wanted to see the engine), haven't run it since, and I cant remember ever finding it oppressively hot in the last 12k miles
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I'm curious if all you guys complaining about the heat are running your chin fairing?
I took mine off early (didn't like the look, wanted to see the engine), haven't run it since, and I cant remember ever finding it oppressively hot in the last 12k miles
Chin fairing?
You mean the sponsoons on either side of the tank or?
By hot I mean my whole lower torso and crotch got no airflow and some additional heat which equaled bathing in my own crotch sweat at temps of 80°F or more.
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We loved our 06 Breva 1100.... We put 53,000 2up miles on ours. Aside from a preventative "startus interuptus" mod, we also had to replace the carc seal after we finished our first trip. The B had been sitting a while before we purchased it, so I'm incline to thing that had something to do with the oil drip. Speaker's Cycle installed a new seal (very inexpensive) and we never had another issue.
Dash issues?? I wonder if my putting a good coat of wax around the dash face and case helped stave off that problem?
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Chin fairing?
You mean the sponsoons on either side of the tank or?
By hot I mean my whole lower torso and crotch got no airflow and some additional heat which equaled bathing in my own crotch sweat at temps of 80�F or more.
No I'm talking about the hunk of grey plastic under the sump
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No I'm talking about the hunk of grey plastic under the sump
Ohh, hmm never thought of that. I wonder if that would have helped.
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When I got my used Norge, it had a small leak from the CARC seal. I removed the breather and blew it out with an air nozzle. I guess the breather was plugged up. It never leaked again.
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Breva Alternative.
http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=86105.0
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Love my 06 Breva 1100. It's my fourth bike I've owned and my very favorite of all of them. There's just some character there that you don't get on other bikes. The Guzzi shake (side to side oscillation at idle), big ole V-twin with ease of access to the valves for your own adjustments, extremely comfortable riding position that is darn near perfect for me (I'm 6'0, about a 32-33" inseam just like you), and the attention it gets when parked in the sea of Harleys around here. There's just nothing like it. Seems to me like the bike is over engineered as well.
My bike has just over 9K on the odo and I too don't have a heat issue and we have 100 degree days here in OK?
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Forgot to mention:
We absolutely loved the sound of that engine. *We missed the clutch rattle when we went to the Stelvio single plate (boooooo!).
The Breva had the perfect symphony of mechanical sounds in my opinion.
Getting another 4v is always in the back of my mind....
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Forgot to mention:
We absolutely loved the sound of that engine. *We missed the clutch rattle when we went to the Stelvio single plate (boooooo!).
The Breva had the perfect symphony of mechanical sounds in my opinion.
Mine with stock pipes sounded perfect. Nice understated growl at wot and good decel tones too.
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Mine with stock pipes sounded perfect. Nice understated growl at wot and good decel tones too.
I can't argue with that. I loved the sound and feel of my B11.
And when I replaced the OEM crossover with the Guzzitech crossover (sans cat-con) it sounded just a hair louder and more visceral.
One weird side effect was that even though it was still pretty darn quiet it was just loud enough to hear some popping on decel and to scare deer or horses, so I had to be extra careful when I came across riders (which happened pretty frequently in the horse country I was living in when I had it).
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...we went with a cross over and Mistral Carbon Oval minus the db killer.. Sounded awesome!
I think this is the link to my sound clip....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5qwWZpMVOA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5qwWZpMVOA)
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My Breva 1100 has a Guzzitech crossover in place of the cat and a Staintune slip-on. I have tried it with and without the db killer. The sound is much better without it but it is a bit louder than I prefer.
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I'd like to unload my POS Breva but I'm to ugly to hide and too fat to run so I can't dump the thing on a fellow Guzzist.
Tex
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Eat those words. POS is maybe the operator, sorry if I may offend but I say it like it is. The Breva is a great bike. I would never sell mine. On the leak issue it could be the oil sensor or valve cover gasket leaks. Buy the bike and don't look back.
Let me tell you how it is, Rizzi, so you can say it like it is: Tex is one of the Old Guard. He has about a million miles on Guzzis since 1971, and has at least two dozen guzzis at his place as I speak. He's owned about every Big Block made, including the Breva, and has attended all but the second MGNOC National Rally -- a record that will never be touched. He's quite well qualified to have an opinion. It might be a different opinion than yours, but you don't have the chops to call him a POS for saying what he thinks. Not sorry if that offends, on account of that's the way it is.
As far as your qualifications to comment -- How does a CARC leak from an oil sensor or valve cover gasket? Have you seen a CARC or even know what one is? Not sorry about that, either.
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Let me tell you how it is, Rizzi, so you can say it like it is: Tex is one of the Old Guard. He has about a million miles on Guzzis since 1971, and has at least two dozen guzzis at his place as I speak. He's owned about every Big Block made, including the Breva, and has attended all but the second MGNOC National Rally -- a record that will never be touched. He's quite well qualified to have an opinion. It might be a different opinion than yours, but you don't have the chops to call him a POS for saying what he thinks. Not sorry if that offends, on account of that's the way it is.
As far as your qualifications to comment -- How does a CARC leak from an oil sensor or valve cover gasket? Have you seen a CARC or even know what one is? Not sorry about that, either.
Hey I was defending the Breva. I understand what you said but do know what the CARC is. That was one of the reasons I bought the bike. By the way I've been on my share of bikes but first Guzzi so I'm not some new punk on his first bike. The leak issue if not mistaken i read was in multiple places and I was referring to mine. By the way its not a POS, that's the way it is.
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Yeah Kev, I agree (for once). I only tour with one bloke and he owns a BMW R1100S and I'm on an '07 Norge. Much like your comparison, I know on most KPI's the BMW is "better" but it's still not as "good". What's the reality behind that ?
Perception is reality...there are specs and there is feel...as you well know. There are lots of great looking bikes, but they don't all feel right when ridden...
I want to see the dash on yours when you turn 200K miles Huzo...and as for the Arctic circle ride, I think some good training for that would be a summer ride in Texas...100F and 99% humidity!
As far as heat goes...I wonder if the Breva (great looking and riding bike) does run hotter than the Norge...even on the hottest of summer days, my 2V Norge has never felt uncomfortable...unl ess in stop and go traffic in which cases, you can feel the heat coming off the bike...but once moving, never an issue.
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Perception is reality...there are specs and there is feel...as you well know. There are lots of great looking bikes, but they don't all feel right when ridden...
I want to see the dash on yours when you turn 200K miles Huzo...and as for the Arctic circle ride, I think some good training for that would be a summer ride in Texas...100F and 99% humidity!
As far as heat goes...I wonder if the Breva (great looking and riding bike) does run hotter than the Norge...even on the hottest of summer days, my 2V Norge has never felt uncomfortable...unl ess in stop and go traffic in which cases, you can feel the heat coming off the bike...but once moving, never an issue.
Did the Arctic circle one in 2015 and no dramas. Will be there again in August this year.