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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: mjptexas on January 11, 2017, 09:55:20 PM
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I took a V9 Roamer for a 30 minute ride today. I have to say I was impressed with the bike. The extra oomph vs. the V7 is very noticeable. Fit & finish is terrific. Hardly any plastic on the bike - even the side panels are metal.
The ergonomics worked for me. Not a lot different than my Cali Custom. Foot peg placement is very similar to the mid control placement on a Harley Sportster.
The Roamer seemed to be very similar to the 2011 Triumph Bonneville I used to own, and it seems to address the shortcomings I've found in my V7. Don't know if there is one in my future or not....
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Thanks Mike .
Dusty
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I don't know much about other Guzzis but is it possible that the V9 power/drive train could go into an enlarged V7 ? Just the whole "cruiser" thing looks a bit lame to me.
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I don't know much about other Guzzis but is it possible that the V9 power/drive train could go into an enlarged V7 ? Just the whole "cruiser" thing looks a bit lame to me.
V7III?
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Thanks, Mike. I haven't ridden one, but the Roamer sure did sit just about perfect, in my opinion. Roomier than our Sportster, to me, and weighs well over a 100lbs less.
Sarah
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Yes. I took one for a while last summer, and posted about it. I have to completely agree with your assessment. Plenty of power to merge onto a highway and some left over to speed up from there. I was very impressed with the bike.
John Henry
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I took a V9 Roamer for a 30 minute ride today. I have to say I was impressed with the bike. The extra oomph vs. the V7 is very noticeable. Fit & finish is terrific. Hardly any plastic on the bike - even the side panels are metal.
The ergonomics worked for me. Not a lot different than my Cali Custom. Foot peg placement is very similar to the mid control placement on a Harley Sportster.
The Roamer seemed to be very similar to the 2011 Triumph Bonneville I used to own, and it seems to address the shortcomings I've found in my V7. Don't know if there is one in my future or not....
Encouraging report - thanks.
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Let's all go get one!
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I'll take a red one if they come to the U. S.
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I don't know much about other Guzzis but is it possible that the V9 power/drive train could go into an enlarged V7 ? Just the whole "cruiser" thing looks a bit lame to me.
Huzo, the Bobber certainly falls in the cruiser group. It seems to be a Harley wannabe. I wouldn't call the Roamer a cruiser. I suspect if you park one right next to the older generation Triumph T100 Bonneville you'll see more similarities than differences.
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Nice write up. Simple, touched on some key issues, and as a Cali owner, nice frame of reference.
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I'll take a red one if they come to the U. S.
yummmmm :drool:
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V9 is rated at 55 hp, weighs 460ish or more curb. V7 III 51 hp, probably 440ish or less curb. Just looking at power-to-weight, it will be interesting to see if the V7 III remains all that much slower than a V9. Torque curve of course will distinguish them regardless.
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... or you could convert your V7 into 4 valve heads and get about 55-60hp and keep the design and weight. This is what I would do. :thumb:
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... or you could convert your V7 into 4 valve heads and get about 55-60hp and keep the design and weight. This is what I would do. :thumb:
:evil: :smiley:
(http://blog.timesunion.com/opinion/files/2012/02/0214_WVgrenade.jpg)
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:evil: :smiley:
(http://blog.timesunion.com/opinion/files/2012/02/0214_WVgrenade.jpg)
CHuck has the memory of an elephant. Don't let the mouse scare you again Chuckie; the factory screwed the pooch. :tongue:
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I want one, especially the red one. I've sat on them several times and for my body they are a perfect fit. I usually modify my bikes, move the pegs or make a new seat, whatever to get the seating position the way I want it. But the Roamer is perfect the way it is. Unfortunately I am getting old and a lighter bike is what I need.
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V9 is rated at 55 hp, weighs 460ish or more curb. V7 III 51 hp, probably 440ish or less curb. Just looking at power-to-weight, it will be interesting to see if the V7 III remains all that much slower than a V9. Torque curve of course will distinguish them regardless.
I'd be careful comparing supposed OEM ratings.
Here's what we think we know from dynos.
Most V7's the last few years have be showing about 40 RWHP.
The V9 supposedly showed Motorcycle.com about 51 RWHP.
I'm not sure I expect the V7III to jump that gap.
If I had to take a guess I'd say I think MG might actually be UNDER-rating the V9.
Either that or there's a problem with that Dyno report.... or it's some miracle of minimal frictional losses between the crank and rear wheel.
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Why would they NOT offer the red one here? Gorgeous. Not keen on the yellow or white. Neverquit is right, tweak it if necessary.
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I'd be careful comparing supposed OEM ratings.
Here's what we think we know from dynos.
Most V7's the last few years have be showing about 40 RWHP.
The V9 supposedly showed Motorcycle.com about 51 RWHP.
I'm not sure I expect the V7III to jump that gap.
If I had to take a guess I'd say I think MG might actually be UNDER-rating the V9.
Either that or there's a problem with that Dyno report.... or it's some miracle of minimal frictional losses between the crank and rear wheel.
V7III to jump a power gap? Are there rumors of engine tweaks to the V7? Since they've gained a net 2hp in 13 or so years, I'm betting the farm you're not going to see a difference. I'm waiting for the day they dump the 7 mill. Once they pump the well dry with this styling exercise that's done them well, I think it's over for this lump.
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Kev may be on to something. I rode the v9, its noticeably stronger than the current v7 to be sure. Like he said its rated at 55 crank hp. But at least two published dynos I have seen have put the rear wheel hp at 51hp! A loss of only 4hp from crank to pavement on a Guzzi???
The v7III might with its very similar heads might be similar, we shall see.
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Kev may be on to something. I rode the v9, its noticeably stronger than the current v7 to be sure. Like he said its rated at 55 crank hp. But at least two published dynos I have seen have put the rear wheel hp at 51hp! A loss of only 4hp from crank to pavement on a Guzzi???
The v7III might with its very similar heads might be similar, we shall see.
Do tell what's going on with the V7III? New heads?? 51 RW usually converts to 61 at the crank with simple Guzzi math.
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Kev may be on to something. I rode the v9, its noticeably stronger than the current v7 to be sure. Like he said its rated at 55 crank hp. But at least two published dynos I have seen have put the rear wheel hp at 51hp! A loss of only 4hp from crank to pavement on a Guzzi???
The v7III might with its very similar heads might be similar, we shall see.
Different dyno readings doesn't mean they are both calibrated the same. :wink: If 2 different bikes are tested on the same dyno, then you can honestly compare their hp ratings.
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Dyno's are like shrinks; they tell you what you want to hear.
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For sure, all dynos are not created equal. :smiley:
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V7III to jump a power gap? Are there rumors of engine tweaks to the V7? Since they've gained a net 2hp in 13 or so years, I'm betting the farm you're not going to see a difference. I'm waiting for the day they dump the 7 mill. Once they pump the well dry with this styling exercise that's done them well, I think it's over for this lump.
Well the V7III dumps the heron head for the V9 hemi head so yes there are tweaks. What that means remains to be seen, but as mentioned the V9 seems to be more than the sum of the parts so far.
As for dynos when you have multiple dynos on different bikes give similar numbers you have some reason to believe. When that's coupled with multiple long time posters here saying they feel the difference then you have even more. That's where we stand with the V9, and we'll have to see about the V7III.
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For sure, all dynos are not created equal. :smiley:
You said a mouthful - for example, compare a velociraptor to a hadrosaur!
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appreciate the review - I really should take one out..
Well the V7III dumps the heron head for the V9 hemi head so yes there are tweaks. What that means remains to be seen, but as mentioned the V9 seems to be more than the sum of the parts so far.
.. and we'll have to see about the V7III.
what have I missed about the V7 III ??? i.e. is this official stuff? linky?
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How does the V9 feel cruising on U.S. highways, esp. compared to the older bikes of similar displacement? I've always been impressed at how well my T3 feels on the highway, even up into the 70 or even (indicated) 80s mphs, in terms of stability and smoothness and, with a windshield, reasonable comfort. I you start from the notion that a T3 is a more-than-adequate US-highway cruiser, how does the V9 compare? Slightly more adequate, slightly less?
Jason
Madison, WI (but currently Bangkok)
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appreciate the review - I really should take one out..
what have I missed about the V7 III ??? i.e. is this official stuff? linky?
V7 III gets the new heads:
http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/moto-guzzi/moto-guzzi-v7.html (http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/moto-guzzi/moto-guzzi-v7.html)
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How about two guys that live close enough to each other, get together and do a one week ride somewhere, one on a V9 and one on a V7 111, that'll give you a better real world comparison than a hundred Dyno comparisons digested on a sofa. From loading the bikes, 500 or so miles a day "side by side," and finish the comparison when you've washed the bikes and put them away. What really matters is how you and the bike "find" each other and blend after a long time. The books and the dyno can not tell you that and if the try they sometimes lie.
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How does the V9 feel cruising on U.S. highways, esp. compared to the older bikes of similar displacement? I've always been impressed at how well my T3 feels on the highway, even up into the 70 or even (indicated) 80s mphs, in terms of stability and smoothness and, with a windshield, reasonable comfort. I you start from the notion that a T3 is a more-than-adequate US-highway cruiser, how does the V9 compare? Slightly more adequate, slightly less?
Jason
Madison, WI (but currently Bangkok)
When I spent some time with a Roamer last Summer, I did a little highway with it (Rt 2 to Rt 44 near Mentor, Ohio, 4 lane). Speed limit on that is 60. When I hit the merge ramp, I easily merged onto the highway and was doing 70 when I looked down. I backed off and moved into traffic. No problem at 60/65 wicking it up just to see what it still had. The engine and transmission work well together. Through all of that, it felt stable. No drama. Now, I wish I had done a brief stint on I-90 just to see. There was no windshield on the one I rode if that is something to take into account. All in all, I really liked the bike. Even though the seat appears thin, I felt more comfortable that I ever expected. I would like to see a tach on them, but otherwise I really could find anything to nit pick.
John Henry
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When I spent some time with a Roamer last Summer, I did a little highway with it (Rt 2 to Rt 44 near Mentor, Ohio, 4 lane). Speed limit on that is 60. When I hit the merge ramp, I easily merged onto the highway and was doing 70 when I looked down. I backed off and moved into traffic. No problem at 60/65 wicking it up just to see what it still had. The engine and transmission work well together. Through all of that, it felt stable. No drama. Now, I wish I had done a brief stint on I-90 just to see. There was no windshield on the one I rode if that is something to take into account. All in all, I really liked the bike. Even though the seat appears thin, I felt more comfortable that I ever expected. I would like to see a tach on them, but otherwise I really could find anything to nit pick.
John Henry
Not to be disparaging or sound like I am, but different parts of the world/country has different speed limits and road conditions such that 70 to us fly over states dwellers is secondary roads and just getting started. Out interstate highways have 75 mph posted and most are running 10 over, and then to visit Texas regularly with its 85 mph limits where folks are running 10 to 15 over. I can't go anywhere around where I live that 80 mph won't get you tailgated by cars and blocked in by trucks. And if a road bike doesn't have "brisk" acceleration up to at least 90, it's not a contender for garage space. Yes, I have heard and understand the arguments that I don't "need" that kind of performance, but life's too short to settle for a slow bike. I'm too old to go slow!
That said, the little 750 Breva I have pulls well at 80 and above when asked to get around a couple cars and trucks and you keep it in the happy zone. I would expect the V9 to be even better.
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I rode the V9 soon after its introduction and liked it.
For a cruiser-type bike I would opt for an American Big Twin but I liked the V9 motor.
I really expected Guzzi would transfer the V9 engine into the current V7 platform but they have not. A V9 Stornello would be very attractive for me.
I just do not understand the V7III. What is the reason for two bikes with similar but different engines?
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Not to be disparaging or sound like I am, but different parts of the world/country has different speed limits and road conditions such that 70 to us fly over states dwellers is secondary roads and just getting started. Out interstate highways have 75 mph posted and most are running 10 over, and then to visit Texas regularly with its 85 mph limits where folks are running 10 to 15 over. I can't go anywhere around where I live that 80 mph won't get you tailgated by cars and blocked in by trucks. And if a road bike doesn't have "brisk" acceleration up to at least 90, it's not a contender for garage space. Yes, I have heard and understand the arguments that I don't "need" that kind of performance, but life's too short to settle for a slow bike. I'm too old to go slow!
That said, the little 750 Breva I have pulls well at 80 and above when asked to get around a couple cars and trucks and you keep it in the happy zone. I would expect the V9 to be even better.
Well, not for nothing, but if your B7 is fine, then the V7 would be too and the V9 even better. Nuff said.
I rode the V9 soon after its introduction and liked it.
For a cruiser-type bike I would opt for an American Big Twin but I liked the V9 motor.
I really expected Guzzi would transfer the V9 engine into the current V7 platform but they have not. A V9 Stornello would be very attractive for me.
I just do not understand the V7III. What is the reason for two bikes with similar but different engines?
* Tiered licensing
* Price point
* Size
* Styling
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Darren , say what now ? I need a translator :laugh:
Dusty
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Darren , say what now ? I need a translator :laugh:
Dusty
Early and on cold meds! What I meant was response to highway speeds of 60 to 70 doesn't cut it out here where flow is 80 to 90. And My B750 does OK at those 80 to 90 speeds, so the V9 should be even better.
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Early and on cold meds! What I meant was response to highway speeds of 60 to 70 doesn't cut it out here where flow is 80 to 90. And My B750 does OK at those 80 to 90 speeds, so the V9 should be even better.
It's OK Brother , we understand :laugh: Actually , the part of Ohio Zoom Zoom lives in has some damn fast traffic also .
Dusty
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I have to say I'm a little surprised Guzzi is modifying the 750 mill when they have the new V9 in the same niche. They are both sb and not far in hp. A little baffling to say the least unless the Euro-friendly 750 meets requirements an 850 (or whatever the V9 is?) doesn't. Other than a number I don't see how it fits in any longer. If it was a cakewalk for Guzzi to modify, then I go back to my original statement of continuance to sell a bike that hits the numbers while saying they made some significant changes (V7III "Oh my!!"). When that dries up and they continue to sell 750 mills I will beat my head with a rolling pin. :thewife:
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I rode the V9 soon after its introduction and liked it.
For a cruiser-type bike I would opt for an American Big Twin but I liked the V9 motor.
I really expected Guzzi would transfer the V9 engine into the current V7 platform but they have not. A V9 Stornello would be very attractive for me.
I just do not understand the V7III. What is the reason for two bikes with similar but different engines?
My guess it's some sort of weird Piaggio lurch at tapping into Guzzi 'History'. Remember that their 'Cooking' bikes in the seventies and early eighties were 948cc, ('Vert, SP1000 etc.) while their 'Sportier' models were 850cc, (LeMans.).
That may sound odd and implausible but remember we are looking at a company that when the V9 series was first launched filled it's blurb with references to the 'Iconic' Nevada. When I read they I nearly shat myself! No offence to Nevada owners but they are a popular as herpes and about as 'Iconic' as a three week old mouldy cheese sandwich! Piaggio suits just don't 'Get it' and it may yet kill the marque.
Pete
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The Nevada was never a popular seller here in the US, not even by Guzzi standards. But somewhere I read that world wide, it was the Nevada and similar small block derivatives, that kept the company going when times were really thin?
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Piaggio suits just don't 'Get it' and it may yet kill the marque.
The V7 is usually credited with saving the marque.
The V9 has been out long enough, shouldn't there be some sales figures by now? My impression is that it hasn't taken off.
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A guy from Colorado had a nice looking V9 Roamer last year at Datil. He said he liked it. :thumb: :cool:
The Stornello is starting to grow on me also... :cool: :thumb: :1:
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The V7 is usually credited with saving the marque.
The V9 has been out long enough, shouldn't there be some sales figures by now? My impression is that it hasn't taken off.
Word from my local dealer is that they have indeed no taken off, for the, or any other dealer.
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I rode one, it was pretty darn good. Pegs were to far forward, but they fixed that for this year.
A friend here in IL bought one, loves it.
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Mike, since you started this conversation, you might finish it:
You own a Sportster, how does it compare to it?
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Mike, since you started this conversation, you might finish it:
You own a Sportster, how does it compare to it?
My Sporty is the Roadster which has a great suspension, where as the V9 suspension is bargain basement. First impression is that's the only area where the Sporty beats the V9.
Performance wise it's a draw. V9 is 10 hp down but a 100 lbs. lighter than a Sporty. V9 feels a little roomier. Both are very stable on the freeway. Can't comment on performance in the twisties as I didn't get a chance to ride the V9 on any of my favorite roads.
Actually the V9 is more like the last generation Triumph Bonneville T100, but with Italian panache.
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I really like the V9 but 'not enough'. I love the style/all metal panels, back to basics with modern upgrades approach, but I'd like a bigger tank, better suspension, better seat and fairing/bag options. Hopefully they will develop these. In other words, I'd like to see the V9 line rounded out in similar fashion as the 1400 series. The V7 just feels so insubstantial to me. VERY happy with my CARC bikes, want to add a V11 sport. Unfortunately, will likely not be riding much in the next few years, considering a side car to my Griso or Norge. But back to the V9, I REALLY like the V9 in Red..... Would love to see that or a pearle white in the USA
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The V7 is usually credited with saving the marque.
The V9 has been out long enough, shouldn't there be some sales figures by now? My impression is that it hasn't taken off.
Jay mentioned to me lately that the local dealer had not sold one, and they hadn't even heard of a dealer who had!
Edit- I should read the rest of the thread before replying lol...
... As for the poster who used the term substantial...I get that... But it could go either way. I mean I DO enjoy that feel sometimes (on the highway), but I also enjoy the light feel of my V7.
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Has anyone seen sales results for the V9 Roamer and Bobber in worldwide sales? Perhaps it does better in Europe than here. The Fiat 500 Series hasn't knocked it out of the park in the USA, but is apparently selling fairly well in Europe (only mention this since it may parallel the V9 in the USA vs in the rest of the world.)
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Has anyone seen sales results for the V9 Roamer and Bobber in worldwide sales? Perhaps it does better in Europe than here. The Fiat 500 Series hasn't knocked it out of the park in the USA, but is apparently selling fairly well in Europe (only mention this since it may parallel the V9 in the USA vs in the rest of the world.)
I'd be shocked if Piaggio made that public.
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I'd be shocked if Piaggio made that public.
Do you think it's that bad? May be .... I don't know.
It seems to me that if this forum provides any useful info that Piaggio marketing should consider, their answer in the form of the V9 was not the answer we wanted. I realize "we're" not the do all end all, but I think we do offer some insight into what many forum member would buy. And I don't remember any of us saying 'please, punch out the V7 engine to something a bit larger, give us a bike with cruiser ergos, a hemi head, and make sure it has a fuel tank reminiscent of the older T series bikes. However, I do think many of us asked for a big block standard .... a bike with V7 styling powered by a big block engine. Those Mandello bikerz just don't listen, apparently.
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That may sound odd and implausible but remember we are looking at a company that when the V9 series was first launched filled it's blurb with references to the 'Iconic' Nevada. When I read they I nearly shat myself! No offence to Nevada owners but they are a popular as herpes and about as 'Iconic' as a three week old mouldy cheese sandwich! Piaggio suits just don't 'Get it' and it may yet kill the marque.
Pete
I've said this before, I really do like the V9.
But that just made my coffee come out my nose! :-).
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I think this whole cruiser excercise is a joke Guzzi's putting on. They are catering to Mr. Nevada. They missed the boat with the V9. Now they're re-tooling for the V7 so it can come within a few hp of the V9. What the hell?? When they made the LM 1000, did they still make the 850? To me they are denigrating the V9. It probably should have never happened.
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Do you think it's that bad? May be .... I don't know.
Yeah, like Jay was saying about what a local dealer said (I.e. that not only they'd not sold a single one but they hadn't heard of another dealer who had). So yeah, I think it's that bad.
That said, a lot of motorcycle manufacturers seem to keep sales figures (especially on individual models) close to the chest.
For the record I kinda like the V9, but even I prefer the looks and probably even ethos of the V7.
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OK, so I just looked at the Guzzi website where they have a picture with a slider bar. The pegs for the bobber and roamer are in the same place. The bars and seat are slightly different.
So, why is the impression that the bobber has a cruiser foot forward position and the roamer does not? Or am I reading people's impressions wrong?
Just seems like the V9 would be comparable to my old T5 (but with smaller gas tanks).
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I think this whole "V9 is a cruiser" thing is completely over exaggerated. I've not ridden one, but I have sat on one. To me it looks and feels like a "standard" motorcycle.
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I think this whole "V9 is a cruiser" thing is completely over exaggerated. I've not ridden one, but I have sat on one. To me it looks and feels like a "standard" motorcycle.
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Agreed.
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They need to ditch that tank on the V9, put a V7 tank on it.
Dean
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Looks like Eurosports in Coopersburg has one sold .....
Ah do tell, to anyone we know?
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ok, I haven't ridden one, but I don't think I'll like the pegs being forward, and I don't like the look off the long forks - I like the V7.
Had they brought over the 850 version of the Griso, I'd be an owner.
Patiently waiting for the V7III.
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They have moved the pegs back several inches for this years v9s. If you want to know how I know, try Google.
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They have moved the pegs back several inches for this years v9s. If you want to know how I know, try Google.
SEVERAL?
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Ok, perhaps several is a bit much. As I recall from memory I think it was 2.9 inches.
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They have moved the pegs back several inches for this years v9s. If you want to know how I know, try Google.
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/2016/november/moto-guzzi-v9-revamp-2017-eicma-milan/
The Roamer now has a slightly different riding position, with the footpegs mounted 100mm farther back, and 35mm higher, changing the rider positioning for better control, and creating a little more room for taller riders.
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You said a mouthful - for example, compare a velociraptor to a hadrosaur!
IT getting all Cretaceous on the group. No synthetic oil for him.
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Had they brought over the 850 version of the Griso, I'd be an owner.
Yeah they look very nice with that gargantuan cancerous looking radiator gone off the side. Shit surely it could have gone up under the steering head, and with Norge style headers I reckon would be beautiful if coupled to higher mufflers like the style of a VFR Honda 800 (dare I say)!
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How about a V9 SP?
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That ridge along the side of the tank, does it become uncomfortable against the legs after a while?
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That ridge along the side of the tank, does it become uncomfortable against the legs after a while?
Do you actually grip the tank with your knees the WHOLE TIME you ride?
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Well,
I went back to AF1 and actually bought one:
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Initially didn't like the yellow, but it looks a lot better in person than it does in pictures.
I'd hoped to put some serious miles on it today, but of all things it was too foggy to really ride in the country, so I only have about 150 miles on it. I was going to wait until I had several hundred miles on it before admitting to buying one, but what the hell...
The V7 Special is gone. I put a little over 3,000 miles on it during the year I owned it, with about 600 coming in December. There were a whole lot of things I liked about the V7, but in the end there was something about the handling that I just didn't like. The best way to describe my concern is that the V7 just didn't feel planted. I've owned enough bikes over the years and have made enough suspension tweaks that I've learned when it's unlikely that I'll be able to fix a handling issue I don't like. I decided that I didn't care to spend money to try and fix a problem that I may not be able to fix. So moving on...
Styling aside, my initial reaction is that the V9 Roamer is better in every way than the V7. Most notable are the power, the roominess and the handling. I'll post more observations after I've had a chance to do a serious ride. I'm hoping that will happen next Saturday, assuming the weatherman isn't lying.
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Congrats! Look forward to hearing more about it. I havent ridden a V9 yet, but have a V7 and it just felt insubstantial to me.
Well,
I went back to AF1 and actually bought one:
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Initially didn't like the yellow, but it looks a lot better in person than it does in pictures.
I'd hoped to put some serious miles on it today, but of all things it was too foggy to really ride in the country, so I only have about 150 miles on it. I was going to wait until I had several hundred miles on it before admitting to buying one, but what the hell...
The V7 Special is gone. I put a little over 3,000 miles on it during the year I owned it, with about 600 coming in December. There were a whole lot of things I liked about the V7, but in the end there was something about the handling that I just didn't like. The best way to describe my concern is that the V7 just didn't feel planted. I've owned enough bikes over the years and have made enough suspension tweaks that I've learned when it's unlikely that I'll be able to fix a handling issue I don't like. I decided that I didn't care to spend money to try and fix a problem that I may not be able to fix. So moving on...
Styling aside, my initial reaction is that the V9 Roamer is better in every way than the V7. Most notable are the power, the roominess and the handling. I'll post more observations after I've had a chance to do a serious ride. I'm hoping that will happen next Saturday, assuming the weatherman isn't lying.
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http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/2016/november/moto-guzzi-v9-revamp-2017-eicma-milan/
The Roamer now has a slightly different riding position, with the footpegs mounted 100mm farther back, and 35mm higher, changing the rider positioning for better control, and creating a little more room for taller riders.
That IS good news, now I have to go check them out again...
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Very nice! What kind of farkles are you planning?
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Very nice! What kind of farkles are you planning?
Waiting for the factory windscreen & luggage rack to come in - part of the deal. I'll defer decisions on other changes until I get a couple of thousand miles on it.
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Very nice -- and I've liked the yellow/gold color from the start. Will be interested in your further impressions as available.
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Well,
I went back to AF1 and actually bought one:
(http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y518/mjptexas/V9/2EDA712D-2901-49A8-BCAD-85C9E522BFBE_zps9rscxq8o.jpg) (http://s1278.photobucket.com/user/mjptexas/media/V9/2EDA712D-2901-49A8-BCAD-85C9E522BFBE_zps9rscxq8o.jpg.html)
Initially didn't like the yellow, but it looks a lot better in person than it does in pictures.
I'd hoped to put some serious miles on it today, but of all things it was too foggy to really ride in the country, so I only have about 150 miles on it. I was going to wait until I had several hundred miles on it before admitting to buying one, but what the hell...
The V7 Special is gone. I put a little over 3,000 miles on it during the year I owned it, with about 600 coming in December. There were a whole lot of things I liked about the V7, but in the end there was something about the handling that I just didn't like. The best way to describe my concern is that the V7 just didn't feel planted. I've owned enough bikes over the years and have made enough suspension tweaks that I've learned when it's unlikely that I'll be able to fix a handling issue I don't like. I decided that I didn't care to spend money to try and fix a problem that I may not be able to fix. So moving on...
Styling aside, my initial reaction is that the V9 Roamer is better in every way than the V7. Most notable are the power, the roominess and the handling. I'll post more observations after I've had a chance to do a serious ride. I'm hoping that will happen next Saturday, assuming the weatherman isn't lying.
Ha ha, awesome. Love that you chase your bliss.
It's really funny but the handling reminds me of one of the differences between the V7 and Sportster, and why I like each for their own characteristics.
I'm guessing from that description that you find the V9 feels (in that way) more like the Sporty than the V7?
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If I may request a comparison of the V9 and your Roadster please. Curious as to what I may have missed. Thanks
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I'm guessing from that description that you find the V9 feels (in that way) more like the Sporty than the V7?
Good question. I haven't been on the Sporty for a couple weeks so I'll need to take a quick ride to compare. The Sporty is very planted. The Roadster's suspension, especially the USD forks makes it feel unlike any stock Sportster you've probably ridden.
Hard to articulate the issue I had with the V7, but I can say that it felt the least planted of all the bikes I ride.
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I think this whole "V9 is a cruiser" thing is completely over exaggerated. I've not ridden one, but I have sat on one. To me it looks and feels like a "standard" motorcycle.
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Yep. Foot peg placement is similar to Harley's 'mid-control' placement, and very close to the last generation Triumph Bonneville.
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That ridge along the side of the tank, does it become uncomfortable against the legs after a while?
Unless your inseam is more than 34 inches I doubt if your legs will hit the ridge. In the short time I've been riding the Roamer I've not even noticed my knees touching the tank.
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...I want to inquire as to the expected availability of the V7III - was told by my 'other local' dealer that the V7III probably won't show up til late this year and that it will be a 2018 model...
The guys at AF1 say the V7 IIIs are supposed to show up in April or May.
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If I may request a comparison of the V9 and your Roadster please. Curious as to what I may have missed. Thanks
Salient points:
Roadster suspension is much better than the V9. I suspect it would take $1,000, or more, to get the V9 to the same level.
V9 is a hundred pounds lighter. You feel the difference.
I believe the performance will be similar (still breaking the V9 in). The weight difference offsets the horsepower difference. Both will run down the highway at 80 mph for as long as you want.
Riding position is completely different. V9 is more relaxed, with more room for your legs. The Roadster's riding position is more aggressive.
I think the V9 will have more corning clearance. I've been down my local twisty road on the V9 & didn't drag anything. I regularly touch the foot peg feelers down on the Roadster. I have yet to do that with the V9.
Fit & finish on both is top shelf. In my opinion, Moto Guzzi has really up their game. Attention to deal is very good.
Guess it comes down to what kind of ride you want. I really like both bikes.
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The Roadster's suspension, especially the USD forks makes it feel unlike any stock Sportster you've probably ridden.
Ha ha, don't assume too much, as I rode XR1200 as soon as it was released. [emoji6]
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Ha ha, don't assume too much, as I rode XR1200 as soon as it was released. [emoji6]
Forgot about the XR1200. Probably comparable.
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congrats on the new bike Mike. :thumb:
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Good for you. I think the naysayers regarding the V9 . . . 95% of them haven't ridden one. I've only done a half-assed test ride, not enough to really know the bike, but liked it quite a bit. Its performance is middlin', which makes it easy to criticize, but character distinguishes it from so much else on the market today.
Like the V7, but moreso.
I imagine $400 replacement shocks would make a critical difference, but I'd probably end up spending $1,200 or so for good shocks and fork internals.
Did you debate Bobber v. Roamer?
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I think this whole "V9 is a cruiser" thing is completely over exaggerated. I've not ridden one, but I have sat on one. To me it looks and feels like a "standard" motorcycle.
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I agree.
A standard with a nod to the cruiser guys.
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Good for you. I think the naysayers regarding the V9 . . . 95% of them haven't ridden one. I've only done a half-assed test ride, not enough to really know the bike, but liked it quite a bit. Its performance is middlin', which makes it easy to criticize, but character distinguishes it from so much else on the market today.
Like the V7, but more so.
Certainly middle of the road performance, but appreciably better than the V7.
Like I commented earlier: the Roamer is a Triumph Bonneville with an Italian attitude.
I imagine $400 replacement shocks would make a critical difference, but I'd probably end up spending $1,200 or so for good shocks and fork internals.
Not sure you can get there for $1,200 by the time you do decent shocks (Ohlins or equivalent) and a fork cartridge conversion. I'll defer that decision until I get some miles on the bike.
Did you debate Bobber v. Roamer?
Didn't give much consideration to the Bobber. My initial reaction to the Bobber was that it's a Sportster 48 wannabe, and I didn't need another 'Sportster'. But having thought about it, I believe the Bobber is really a two wheel equivalent of an old school American hot rod.
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http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/2016/november/moto-guzzi-v9-revamp-2017-eicma-milan/
The Roamer now has a slightly different riding position, with the footpegs mounted 100mm farther back, and 35mm higher, changing the rider positioning for better control, and creating a little more room for taller riders.
So how would moving the pegs back and up create MORE room for taller riders? Makes zero sense.
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Well,
I went back to AF1 and actually bought one:
Congratulations! I'm a V9 fan and I'm pleased there's somebody here that has one. That's a nice looking motorbike.
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Congrats, Mike! Looking forward to the next report.
Sarah
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So a V9 has about the same power as my Mille? It is a sharp looking ride and congrats on the purchase. I have noticed over the last several years the reviews fail to note that the original V7 was not a small block and has no DNA in the new V7 or V9 range unless you count the V twin and Guzzi name as qualifiers. Even with the adoption of hemi heads, these bikes are more akin to the V35/50 bloodline. No Tonti/loop frame is also a clue. I understand the factory glossing over the details, but this is how lies and urban legends are born.
Back on the good coffee here too. Can you tell?
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So a V9 has about the same power as my Mille? It is a sharp looking ride and congrats on the purchase. I have noticed over the last several years the reviews fail to note that the original V7 was not a small block and has no DNA in the new V7 or V9 range unless you count the V twin and Guzzi name as qualifiers. Even with the adoption of hemi heads, these bikes are more akin to the V35/50 bloodline. No Tonti/loop frame is also a clue. I understand the factory glossing over the details, but this is how lies and urban legends are born.
Back on the good coffee here too. Can you tell?
But I thought the smallblock frame was also designed by Lino Tonti and bears some design similarities. Maybe that's loose, but suggests DNA.
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I rode the Roamer and liked it very much. But I also like my V11 and I only have room for one bike. (Unless I come across a Nuevo Falcone)
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So a V9 has about the same power as my Mille? It is a sharp looking ride and congrats on the purchase. I have noticed over the last several years the reviews fail to note that the original V7 was not a small block and has no DNA in the new V7 or V9 range unless you count the V twin and Guzzi name as qualifiers. Even with the adoption of hemi heads, these bikes are more akin to the V35/50 bloodline. No Tonti/loop frame is also a clue. I understand the factory glossing over the details, but this is how lies and urban legends are born.
Back on the good coffee here too. Can you tell?
You are correct; nothing is the same except for the size of some bolts perhaps. It's a SMALL Tonti frame but with changes to that of the bb. It's a stretch to compare them in the least.
My FJ truck is nothing like the original Toyota FJ except for some styling cues and off-road abilities. It really has no DNA.
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I think you guys might need to brush up on the concept of DNA.
Parts interchangeability is different than basic design/architecture.
One can (and I think should argue) that every Guzzi built since the first twin shares some DNA, more or less depending on the details of the platform.
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Yes, I am being a Picker of Nits. In the grand scheme, the bikes are made by Guzzi. In my mind, the V7/9 family is not a direct evolution of the original V7. Based loosely on some design elements but not a big block descendant. Therein lies the rub with me when I read reviews and such. No offense intended toward others with differing views. If the badge is Guzzi, all is well.
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So how would moving the pegs back and up create MORE room for taller riders? Makes zero sense.
I think the issue is shins banging against the head, especially when shifting. With a 30" inseam, I didn't find it to be a significant issue. Might be more so for the long-legged.
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So the pegs on the newest v9 are indeed several inches farther back, I thought it was 2.9", but turns out they a hairs with short of 4". And raised 1.3"
Some guys will really like the more forward mid mount pegs of the first year v9, but when I road a Romer, they felt to far forward, and my knees tended to want to splay. I suspect for a guy like me the more rear placed pegs will work better.
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I think you guys might need to brush up on the concept of DNA.
Parts interchangeability is different than basic design/architecture.
One can (and I think should argue) that every Guzzi built since the first twin shares some DNA, more or less depending on the details of the platform.
Well then, just call me Jesus. :wink:
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Hey Zeus!
:boozing:
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Certainly middle of the road performance, but appreciably better than the V7.
Like I commented earlier: the Roamer is a Triumph Bonneville with an Italian attitude.Not sure you can get there for $1,200 by the time you do decent shocks (Ohlins or equivalent) and a fork cartridge conversion. I'll defer that decision until I get some miles on the bike.Didn't give much consideration to the Bobber. My initial reaction to the Bobber was that it's a Sportster 48 wannabe, and I didn't need another 'Sportster'. But having thought about it, I believe the Bobber is really a two wheel equivalent of an old school American hot rod.
So what would you think about a "scaled up" V7 racer with the V9 mill ? Triple discs and a tasteful fairing SS 900/750 Ducati style ? Could it get to a 1,000 or not ?
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So what would you think about a "scaled up" V7 racer with the V9 mill ? Triple discs and a tasteful fairing SS 900/750 Ducati style ? Could it get to a 1,000 or not ?
I'd like to see Guzzi do something similar with the V9 platform that BMW did with the R nine T. I think there are now 5 variants of the R nine T.
The foot pegs could easily be moved back another 3-4 inches: maybe not as far as typical rear sets, but definitely to a more sporting position so a sporty version would be possible. It would be a bit of a poser just like the V7 Racer is because of the power.
I think they could do a sport touring variant similar to the BMW r1200 RS - some plastic, but not too much, and a little bigger tank, although the current tank is jus 1/3 of a pint short of 4 gallons. Based on the initial mileage I'm seeing that will safely get me 150-180 miles/tank.
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So a V9 has about the same power as my Mille? It is a sharp looking ride and congrats on the purchase. I have noticed over the last several years the reviews fail to note that the original V7 was not a small block and has no DNA in the new V7 or V9 range unless you count the V twin and Guzzi name as qualifiers. Even with the adoption of hemi heads, these bikes are more akin to the V35/50 bloodline. No Tonti/loop frame is also a clue. I understand the factory glossing over the details, but this is how lies and urban legends are born.
700ish cc Longitudinal (crank shaft orientation) V-twin, shaft drive. Aside from the WWII Indian 841, and a few other obscure bikes from the 50's, and early 60's (Marusho Lilac , Victoria Bergmeister), the drivetrain layout is unique to Moto Guzzi.
So, yes, the DNA is certainly there.
The current V7 has just as much in common with the original as a current Corvette or Mustang does with the originals of those models.
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Yes, I am being a Picker of Nits. In the grand scheme, the bikes are made by Guzzi. In my mind, the V7/9 family is not a direct evolution of the original V7. Based loosely on some design elements but not a big block descendant. Therein lies the rub with me when I read reviews and such. No offense intended toward others with differing views. If the badge is Guzzi, all is well.
Red rider...when the v9 came out, guzzi themselves in their press release called it a descendant of the v35/50/65/75...but more like a Nevada...basically the arse end doesn't have the huge subframe, losing 150 lbs in the process
I wonder what the power to weight ratio is between a 550 lb t3/G5/sp and a new on a diet fuel injected v9
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Some would say Moto Guzzi is an obscure marque......
Well good on the OP for buying a V9. I'm very keen on a ride report once they get some seat time. I've only talked to one owner (he was happy, especially when I talked to him it seemed to be well into the break in phase and was starting to come alive - this was at the Very Large Array outside Datil New Mexico).
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The rear reflector looks like a dinglegerry I felt once.
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One of those would do me. Just a bit more snot than the Breva. Would I spend the extra dosh? Nope, not at this stage.
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700ish cc Longitudinal (crank shaft orientation) V-twin, shaft drive. Aside from the WWII Indian 841, and a few other obscure bikes from the 50's, and early 60's (Marusho Lilac , Victoria Bergmeister), the drivetrain layout is unique to Moto Guzzi.
So, yes, the DNA is certainly there.
The current V7 has just as much in common with the original as a current Corvette or Mustang does with the originals of those models.
I don't get that personally.
Confusing historical lineage of the motor by journos & now DNA.
Under that logic, yes, the V9 has DNA and so does the Honda CX500 that came out at the same time as the small block V50 in the 1970s!
The Calvin is barely out of production and that was straight lineage to the early V7. Let's not change history.
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I don't get that personally.
Confusing historical lineage of the motor by journos & now DNA.
Under that logic, yes, the V9 has DNA and so those the Honda CX500 that came out at the same time as the small block V50 in the 1970s!
The Calvin is barely out of production and that was straight lineage to the early V7. Let's not change history.
Maybe I'm just being a stickler for biology, but the presence of DNA has absolutely nothing to do with a straight line. It's a jagged ever changing line that often results in just a trace of ancestry.
Some of you seem to be prioritizing the sharing of actual parts as the only way to mean lineage, while others are saying that sharing of the fundamental key design elements, along with things like designers, factory, brand, all add up to lineage.
Let's be clear the current V7 line is an homage to the original V7 and I believe Piaggio has said as much. As such they've SAID it's NOT the same platform/chassis as the original but inspired by the original. That said it sharing so much in form and design it's very much like a descendant whose DNA has intermingled with (incestuously if we insist on the analogy) of the Guzzi line and resulted in a new off-spring that looks very much like the great great grandfather.
The fact that there was a relic bike called the California with arguably a more direct lineage doesn't preclude the lineage of the V7.
Not that any of this matters in the slightest to pretty much anyone, even those debating it, but especially to the Moto Journalists who would not give a crap about Guzzi if it weren't for the fact that someone told them to write about one. So one can forgive them not spending an inordinate amount of time researching the connection.
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Maybe I'm just being a stickler for biology, but the presence of DNA has absolutely nothing to do with a straight line. It's a jagged ever changing line that often results in just a trace of ancestry.
Some of you seem to be prioritizing the sharing of actual parts as the only way to mean lineage, while others are saying that sharing of the fundamental key design elements, along with things like designers, factory, brand, all add up to lineage.
Let's be clear the current V7 line is an homage to the original V7 and I believe Piaggio has said as much. As such they've SAID it's NOT the same platform/chassis as the original but inspired by the original. That said it sharing so much in form and design it's very much like a descendant whose DNA has intermingled with (incestuously if we insist on the analogy) of the Guzzi line and resulted in a new off-spring that looks very much like the great great grandfather.
The fact that there was a relic bike called the California with arguably a more direct lineage doesn't preclude the lineage of the V7.
Not that any of this matters in the slightest to pretty much anyone, even those debating it, but especially to the Moto Journalists who would not give a crap about Guzzi if it weren't for the fact that someone told them to write about one. So one can forgive them not spending an inordinate amount of time researching the connection.
The way I look at it, IMHO:
The Ford Capri or Probe may have Mustang DNA.
The new Mustang has lineage with the old Mustang.
If the Ford Probe had been called 'the New Mustang' it would have had DNA but not lineage.
In your lingo :wink: how would you feel if the latest Sportster 883 was rebadged Road King?
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The way I look at it, IMHO:
The Ford Capri or Probe may have Mustang DNA.
The new Mustang has lineage with the old Mustang.
If the Ford Probe had been called 'the New Mustang' it would have had DNA but not lineage.
In your lingo :wink: how would you feel if the latest Sportster 883 was rebadged Road King?
Your mustang analogy largely misses because the mustang was a V6/V8 RWD car while the Capri and Probe were L4/V6 fwd cars. So much arguably a trace of DNA but not much, certainly too different to be rebadged Mustang without significant changes or at least performance enhancements.
The RK/883 analogy also misses the mark because the RK is currently in production. But, at least they share much more commonality in terms of overall engine design (if we ignore the separate transmission and primary of the BT vs. the unitized engine of the Sportster).
Now following that logic, for your analogy to be accurate you'd have to at least come up with a scenario where after the RK name has been out of production and around the time the FLH chassis is permanently retired for some other replacement IF Harley was to release a 1340cc Sportster that abandoned the unitized engine, put Far Bob tanks on it with a quick detach windshield and saddlebags and then advertised it as Road King which pays homage to the original (1994 Evo RK) O WOULD MOST CERTAINLY AGREE IT HAS THE DNA and continues something of the tradition.
Hell, if things keep going the way they are the Sportster might even weigh as much as the original RK by then. [emoji28]
In the meantime the V7 shares much more commonality in terms of basic engine and drive layout, displacement, similar output, similar tank design, with modern EFI and brakes all in a slightly smaller lighter package... Not bad DNA.
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Ford Probes were Mazda MX6 chassis and a Mazda engine. I owned one of the 24 valve V6 GT's. Fun car. It was a Ford badged Mazda. This is why I purchased it because it was essentially a Mazda. No lineage or DNA to a Mustang.
The small blocks and big blocks are such different creatures that I can't think along the lines of DNA or lineage. You could put almost any motor in a Guzzi and say there's DNA since they've had so many at one time or another; someone could argue it. Some will argue we are all brothers and sisters so the argument here is a mute point. Guzzi is the mother of both engines regardless.
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Your mustang analogy largely misses because the mustang was a V6/V8 RWD car while the Capri and Probe were L4/V6 fwd cars. So much arguably a trace of DNA but not much, certainly too different to be rebadged Mustang without significant changes or at least performance enhancements.
The RK/883 analogy also misses the mark because the RK is currently in production. But, at least they share much more commonality in terms of overall engine design (if we ignore the separate transmission and primary of the BT vs. the unitized engine of the Sportster).
Now following that logic, for your analogy to be accurate you'd have to at least come up with a scenario where after the RK name has been out of production and around the time the FLH chassis is permanently retired for some other replacement IF Harley was to release a 1340cc Sportster that abandoned the unitized engine, put Far Bob tanks on it with a quick detach windshield and saddlebags and then advertised it as Road King which pays homage to the original (1994 Evo RK) O WOULD MOST CERTAINLY AGREE IT HAS THE DNA and continues something of the tradition.
Hell, if things keep going the way they are the Sportster might even weigh as much as the original RK by then. [emoji28]
In the meantime the V7 shares much more commonality in terms of basic engine and drive layout, displacement, similar output, similar tank design, with modern EFI and brakes all in a slightly smaller lighter package... Not bad DNA.
The Ford/Mercury Capri was a rear wheel drive -not front wheel drive, a 'Baby' Mustang with 4 and 6 cylinders.
Mustangs did come in, amongst other things, 4 cylinders forms in the 70s / 80s -at least in Canada.
There's no DNA here except on the marketing brochures. That's my point.
The original small block V50 was an economically built motorcycle.
Different animals to the big blocks. I owned a V50II and it was nasty...
Those who have owned early small block would get it.
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Ford Probes were Mazda MX6 chassis and a Mazda engine. I owned one of the 24 valve V6 GT's. Fun car. It was a Ford badged Mazda. This is why I purchased it because it was essentially a Mazda. No lineage or DNA to a Mustang.
The small blocks and big blocks are such different creatures that I can't think along the lines of DNA or lineage. You could put almost any motor in a Guzzi and say there's DNA since they've had so many at one time or another; someone could argue it. Some will argue we are all brothers and sisters so the argument here is a mute point. Guzzi is the mother of both engines regardless.
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The small blocks and big blocks are such different creatures that I can't think along the lines of DNA or lineage. You could put almost any motor in a Guzzi and say there's DNA since they've had so many at one time or another; someone could argue it.
I would say my Jackal and V7 are certainly more alike than dislike. Certainly they are more similar to each other than to most any other bikes I've ever owned or ridden.
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If we are using DNA as an analogy for relationship between models of motorcycle, then every motorcycle shares DNA as they evolved from a common ancestor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hildebrand_%26_Wolfm%C3%BCller).
Without the big block V7 there would have been no small block V5 to begat the current V7/V9, they are like species of Dragonflies related and share DNA but still different in colour and size etc.
That's my tuppence/2 cents worth.
Test rode a roamer a few month's ago nice bike and one I could live with quite easily, unfortunately for Guzzi money and the fact I am happy with my V11 means at the moment I am not in the market, congrats to the OP on his new bike though, I hope to hear more on the new bike.
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The Ford/Mercury Capri was a rear wheel drive -not front wheel drive, a 'Baby' Mustang with 4 and 6 cylinders.
There's no DNA here except on the marketing brochures. That's my point.
The original small block V50 was an economically built motorcycle.
Different animals to the big blocks. I owned a V50II and it was nasty...
Those who have owned early small block would get it.
Oops, was looking at the late export Capri. Your analogy still doesn't hold.
Yes the smallblock has humble origins, but it has certainly developed well.
One might look at the original V7 and say it was much more basic than what it became in the Cal-Vin but no one argues against the DNA because of a note obvious/direct lineage.
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If we are using DNA as an analogy for relationship between models of motorcycle, then every motorcycle shares DNA as they evolved from a common ancestor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hildebrand_%26_Wolfm%C3%BCller).
Without the big block V7 there would have been no small block V5 to begat the current V7/V9, they are like species of Dragonflies related and share DNA but still different in colour and size etc.
That's my tuppence/2 cents worth.
Egg-xactly!
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Oops, was looking at the late export Capri. Your analogy still doesn't hold.
Yes the smallblock has humble origins, but it has certainly developed well.
One might look at the original V7 and say it was much more basic than what it became in the Cal-Vin but no one argues against the DNA because of a note obvious/direct lineage.
Hey, you'll find that the original V7 was a pretty expensive high quality motorcycle in the late 60s competing against BMW best. Some would say on par with the Calvin status.
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Hey, you'll find that the original V7 was a pretty expensive high quality motorcycle in the late 60s competing against BMW best. Some would say on par with the Calvin status.
And I would argue even today's budget machines are better then the premium machines of so many decades ago.
[emoji56]
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youse guyz....got the cabin fever.
look back at this again, and "really ? ??? ?"
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youse guyz....got the cabin fever.
look back at this again, and "really ? ??? ?"
AND IN OTHER BREAKING NEWS THE POPE... [emoji13] [emoji12] [emoji13] [emoji56]
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Can someone give us a comparison of riding characteristics, a '70's V7 and a modern V7? My son has a '12 V7 Classic, when he rides my V65 he says they are not similar in any way, his bike feeling modern, comfortable and confidence inspiring.
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Can someone give us a comparison of riding characteristics, a '70's V7 and a modern V7? My son has a '12 V7 Classic, when he rides my V65 he says they are not similar in any way, his bike feeling modern, comfortable and confidence inspiring.
Night and day I guarantee you! The name is the only similarity. Forget the DNA hogwash... that's Kool-Aide inspired speak.
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Can someone give us a comparison of riding characteristics, a '70's V7 and a modern V7? My son has a '12 V7 Classic, when he rides my V65 he says they are not similar in any way, his bike feeling modern, comfortable and confidence inspiring.
I've only spent a little bit of time on Cam's gorgeous 74 V7 Sport and it was a number of years back.
IIRC it felt heavier (which probably translates to more firmly planted and slower feeling in steering), and the brakes felt more like mere suggestions.
Those two differences alone would feel significant to someone used to a modern V7C or my V7 Stone. In contrast my V7 felt lighter, more flickable, and the brakes feel substantially stronger.
The reversed shift pattern kept me on my toes as well.
A nice bike, especially to look at. And I wouldn't actually mind something the felt a little bigger like that but not as big as a Cali 1400.
But that's probably why I have my Sportster too.
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Night and day I guarantee you! The name is the only similarity. Forget the DNA hogwash... that's Kool-Aide talking.
OK, then tell us what you felt...
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Truth be told, the DNA of the current V7 comes from the first 750 FI 2004 Breva and Nevada. It has been a wolf in sheeps clothing ever since for the past 13 years. THIS is where the engine, frame, brakes, et al were born from. Yes, they tilted the engine, added a new 6-speed gearbox, and a single throttle body, but comparing it to a 70's big block is laughable, not to mention there's NOTHING comparable to the rest of the original except a tank shape.
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Truth be told, the DNA of the current V7 comes from the first 750 FI 2004 Breva and Nevada. It has been a wolf in sheeps clothing ever since for the past 13 years. THIS is where the engine, frame, brakes, et al were born from. Yes, they tilted the engine, added a new 6-speed gearbox, and a single throttle body, but comparing it to a 70's big block is laughable, not to mention there's NOTHING comparable to the rest of the original except a tank shape.
That's not answering the question...[emoji11]
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Not sure "Wolf" is an accurate description , more like a cuddly Golden Retriever :laugh:
Dusty
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Not sure "Wolf" is an accurate description , more like a cuddly Golden Retriever [emoji23]
Dusty
Hey that beats a labradoodle! [emoji23]
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Hey that beats a labradoodle! [emoji23]
I've started calling the terrier we took in a Dorkskire terrier , or Dorkie for short . Of course at times he is more like the Tri-Terrier of Doom , or Tri-Terrierist .
Dusty
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Truth be told, the DNA of the current V7 comes from the first 750 FI 2004 Breva and Nevada. It has been a wolf in sheeps clothing ever since for the past 13 years. THIS is where the engine, frame, brakes, et al were born from. Yes, they tilted the engine, added a new 6-speed gearbox, and a single throttle body, but comparing it to a 70's big block is laughable, not to mention there's NOTHING comparable to the rest of the original except a tank shape.
You mean 'sheep in wolf's clothing', I guess :grin: :grin:
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You mean 'sheep in wolf's clothing', I guess :grin: :grin:
I think you guys are a little too obsessed with sheep. :shocked: :huh: :shocked:
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You mean 'sheep in wolf's clothing', I guess :grin: :grin:
Yes.... I got it backwards, thanks. Especially the "Racer". :shocked:
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Nah, mine's definitely a Golden Retriever.... warm and fuzzy, friendly, loyal.... :bike-037:
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Any throwback vehicle from 20 or more years back is an excercise in design. It's not a replica. Cars are no different. I own a Tacoma pickup (or might I say FJ Cruiser), not an "FJ Cruiser replica". There is ONLY a design feature that might make one say "hey... that's cool how they have a grill and headlights like the original." Beyond that look to the Tacoma for reliability, etc.
the Honda CB is a cool retro, but I won't compare it to the original. I simply like the look. So... asking how a current V7 compares to the original is only worth looking at design elements. I owned 2 Breva 750 '04's and that is worth comparing to the V7 for handling, braking, engine dynamics, and general reliability. To even think along the lines of original...
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youse guyz need to go outside and play now.
The sun is shining.
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Any throwback vehicle from 20 or more years back is an excercise in design. It's not a replica.
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the Honda CB is a cool retro, but I won't compare it to the original. I simply like the look. So... asking how a current V7 compares to the original is only worth looking at design elements. I owned 2 Breva 750 '04's and that is worth comparing to the V7 for handling, braking, engine dynamics, and general reliability. To even think along the lines of original...
I think the first half has crossed over into straw man territory. Seriously, I don't think anyone on this discussion has suggested anything is a REPLICA.
As I've referenced even Guzzi considers it an homage.
As for the second part - that just opinion. YOU won't compare, but plenty will. And why not. You can compare anything you want. Why not compare/contrast a V7 and Breva 1100, or a Griso and a Cali 1400. Just because they are different chassis/motors in each case doesn't mean you can't compare them.
This whole discussion from DNA to sheep is just silly. Fun at times, but silly nonetheless.
You're taking it WAY too seriously.
That said, I'm still waiting to hear your thoughts on a 70's era V7 you've ridden?
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Someone wanted a compare between an original and a modern (seriously I might add). I don't think it's silly to give conjecture to someone who may think they are similar, hence the dialogue. You summed it up pretty good Kev as to the difference. I've ridden big blocks from the 70's yes, and apples/oranges to a SB of today. I wanted him to know this is essentially a SB bike from '04 with little changes and nothing that harks back to the 70's. I will leave it at that as I've made my point 10 times now. Horse to water.
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It would be an interesting test of the two bikes, does anyone want to loan me a V7 Sport for a few days?
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It would be an interesting test of the two bikes, does anyone want to loan me a V7 Sport for a few days?
If you want to hear about a back-to-back ride PM Cam since he owns both the 74 V7 Sport and a 14 V7 Special (and a couple of more).
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In an effort to consolidate V9 threads, I'll use this one to report that I bought a Bobber today. Been thinking about it for quite awhile. Today I sold my MV Agusta Turismo Veloce and went straight to the dealer and got a black Bobber. 100 miles on it today, and so far I'm really jazzed about it.
First of all, it's just great to be back on a Guzzi. It's been about 3 years without one.
The Turismo Veloce is an incredible bike, but wasn't working out for me. Got small children so can't do much touring, and taking it out for a short spin was just an exercise in futility. I want to ride 500 miles every time I get on it, but if I can only go 50, there's not much satisfaction in that. Ergo Guzzi! I was fortunate in my buying and selling of the MV, so not much loss in turning it over.
Early impressions of the Bobber are very good. The engine is of course the highlight, and it's a peach. So amiable and torquey. The V9 feels quite a bit faster than the V7. It's still not a fast bike by today's standards, but if you're coming off a V7 the difference is quite noticeable. Like the V7, the V9 feels chassis-limited more so than HP-limited, so it's a comparison between two retro bikes that just aren't designed to go fast.
The real surprise to me is the handling. For a cruiser-ish bike, it's very nimble. it loves to lean and turn, while the fat front wheel keeps it planted. I think most people see the front wheel and think it's all a styling exercise, but I'd submit there's a good chemistry between the chassis and the oversized front wheel. It works much better than one would expect.
Ground clearance is limited, but not as much as I was led to believe in some of the reviews I read. It's not like you're scraping everywhere you go. I was on some tight twisties today and no scraping even at a moderately fast pace. If your goal is to tear up twisty roads, you probably should be on a different bike in the first place.
I test rode a Roamer several months ago. Given the time separation and the fact that the test didn't include curvy roads, I can't really make a comparison.
I very much like the ergonomics, even the peg position. I would not move them back. It's relaxed and comfortable, which is what I was looking for.
The brakes on the Bobber work quite well, both front and rear. Not a huge amount of bite, but effective with good feel. The rear suspension is rather "dry," you definitely feel the road and sharp bumps will get you. But with the Bobber at least, you can think of it as part of the macho image, along with the hard seat. I think the suspension is quite tolerable, and I'd rate it better than the V7, but I'm going to upgrade for sure.
I was either going to get a V9 or wait for the V7III. Of course we don't have reports on the V7III yet, but comparing the V9 to the V7, is it better? I'm not sure that it is. I prefer the V9 engine, but it's not revvy. A revvier engine and more ground clearance is what lots of folks will want, and they should be on the V7, not the V9. Even though the V9 is not quite a full blown cruiser, I think it makes sense to approach it as one.
First up on mods is the OEM flyscreen, which is all that should be needed to comfortable at 70 mph. Then a rear rack and new shocks. Mistrals or Agostini maybe, but truly the stock exhaust sounds wonderful.
(http://thumb.ibb.co/b6A5dv/V9.jpg) (http://ibb.co/b6A5dv)
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Congrats on the new bike Adan. Agostini actually makes a set of pipes for your bike. Black and all. They do sound very nice, I have heard them. It's good to see some of the newer offerings from Guzzi are finally starting to move, or at least we're hearing of them on the board.
John Henry
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Great report Adan.
Congrats!
One thought on the front tire, seems to me that Jenn has a fatter front tire on her Duc then I do on my V7. I'd say the Duc handles better then the V7, but also feels more planted. I'm guessing that the tire size, profile, compound contribute to that but there is more to the story.
Sounds like I'd like a V9 also.
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Congrats, Adan! Another picture or two as you are out and about, please.
Sarah
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One thing I forgot to mention is that it's an excellent city bike. The light clutch lever, the low end torque, the low speed maneuverability, wide steering lock, and a tall first gear that much of the time gets you from stoplight to stoplight without shifting. All these things make for a great urban cruiser.
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Why not consider them DISTANT relatives~~and let it go at that!!!!
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Why not consider them DISTANT relatives~~and let it go at that!!!!
:>)
The V7 and V9 are more similar than they are different. There are differences that would steer a buyer one way or another, but it's not a fundamentally different riding experience. Unlike, say, the Griso.
So I think people looking for a new Guzzi to buy will naturally be comparing the two in their minds, as they should. I could make good arguments either way and I think it comes just comes down to where and how you'll be riding.
They are close relatives. The V9 is the younger but heftier sibling with a stronger right hook. Both are quite amiable, but the Bobber looks a little more like the guy you'd want by your side in a bar fight.
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You can update your signature now. :grin:
Congratulations!
Cheers,
Shaun
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I assume JCC (good to see you btw) was talking about the silly pedantic discussion of family, DNA, lineage, bla bla BS.
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The real surprise to me is the handling. For a cruiser-ish bike, it's very nimble. it loves to lean and turn, while the fat front wheel keeps it planted. I think most people see the front wheel and think it's all a styling exercise, but I'd submit there's a good chemistry between the chassis and the oversized front wheel. It works much better than one would expect.
Ground clearance is limited, but not as much as I was led to believe in some of the reviews I read. It's not like you're scraping everywhere you go. I was on some tight twisties today and no scraping even at a moderately fast pace. If your goal is to tear up twisty roads, you probably should be on a different bike in the first place.
I had a Sportster Custom with fat 16 inches front and back. Handling was quite good albeit limited by cornering clearance.
WRT ground clearance: won't be an issue for anyone but knee draggers.
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First of all, it's just great to be back on a Guzzi. It's been about 3 years without one.
I'm still enjoying your former V7R :grin:
Congrats on the new Bobber, and thanks for the ride report.
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I'll take a red one if they come to the U. S.
Me too! Although I think both the pearl white and yellow look good, I think the red is just fantastic. Not sure what the chances are of the US getting red.... I think the bike just looks super unique, I've never seen anything with quite that styling.
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I agree with Adan's assessment of the bike exactly. The peg placement might look cruiser-ish with the slightly forward controls, but when riding, it just feels right. Unlike my previous Bonneville, the controls are out of the way when putting feet down. Makes everything so much smoother. The Bonneville also required a shift to 2nd right about mid-intersection after every light. Not so on the V9....first has some legs. Initially, I intended to put some lower, narrower bars on the bike as I've just never cared for drag-style broomstick bars, but Guzzi got these spot-on. The brakes are vastly better than the Bonneville in bite, power, and feel. My neighbor has a new Thruxton R, which is a great bike, but he prefers the brakes on the V9. It just seems that Piaggio paid attention to some details here and there and got them right. I also imagine they learned a few lessons from the V9 which will make for a better V7III.
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(http://thumb.ibb.co/kmaK1Q/v9.jpg) (http://ibb.co/kmaK1Q)
(http://thumb.ibb.co/gj0xo5/v92.jpg) (http://ibb.co/gj0xo5)
Couple updates to report.
I have Matris cartridges on the front and Matris standard shocks on the rear. Vastly better than stock. I felt that stock was tolerable, but the bike felt toy-like. Now it feels roadworthy. Still a very firm ride, but the Matris shocks, unlike the stock ones, will not transmit big jolts to your spine. Overall the bike feels much more planted and confidence-inspiring.
I wouldn't fault anyone for keeping the stock suspension and moderating their riding. That's sort of what this goofy bike was intended for. But there's a lot to be gained here by upgrading.
I've been getting 48-50 mpg on the open road measured as mileage divided by refill volume. That's about 8% less than claimed by the onboard computer. Cruising on the freeway at a constant 55 mph in 6th gear, the dash tells me I'm getting around 72 mpg. Assuming an 8% optimism, that's still 66 mpg.
The Bobber flyscreen is reasonably effective and a must for highway travel.
The solo "comfort" seat is slightly better than the stock, but not much. It gets you from maybe 40 minutes up to an hour before you're aching. I feel like the problem is not the amount of padding but the lack of contour. Even the comfort seat never lets you forget that you're on a minimalist bobber. By contrast, I sat on the Triumph Bobber and didn't want to get up, it's so well-contoured.
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Picture reminds of a place I sometimes passed by in Monterey, CA
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Picture reminds of a place I sometimes passed by in Monterey, CA
It's the town of Mendocino, which as you may already know played the role of Monterey in the film East of Eden.
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Thanks for the report and the pictures Adan, beautiful bike! Is there a good bit of foam in that seat? A belt sander will remove that uncomfortable crown in no time flat.
Sarah
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I'll take a red one if they come to the U. S.
I bought one down in Sydney Australia. (Yes its RED)
My first real bike after riding a 200cc Aprilia Sport city for 8 years
A big step up and its taking some getting used to - but the journey is fun
It moves and twists and shudders and growls.
51 and got a scooter licence
59 and riding an 800cc bronco.
Luverly
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I picked up a 2017 Roamer last week and rode it from Eugene, Oregon to Portland, went well. Can't really tell the difference from my V7, yet. I'll have to get use to the new tech stuff on the Roamer compared to my V7. Love the V7!
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Picked up a Giallo Solare Roamer - my first Guzzi - last Friday after months of obsessing over these beautiful (in my opinion) machines. In the 90+ miles I have put on her, I have found the character of the ride to be incredibly true to the reputation Guzzi is known for - a real blast just thumping down the road :bike-037: .. I envision becoming more and more fond of this bike as the miles accumulate.
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hi there, I just bought a V9 Bobber. I'm waiting to have it delivered, I have a question do you guys know if the MY2017 for USA market is already equipped with the revised footpegs?
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hi there, I just bought a V9 Bobber. I'm waiting to have it delivered, I have a question do you guys know if the MY2017 for USA market is already equipped with the revised footpegs?
To my knowledge they did move the pegs back from 2016 to 2017 models. If I'm correct they moved them back even further in the 2018 models, at least in the Roamer. Looking at photos online seems to confirm this.
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To my knowledge they did move the pegs back from 2016 to 2017 models. If I'm correct they moved them back even further in the 2018 models, at least in the Roamer. Looking at photos online seems to confirm this.
Yes, they have moved them back. I installed the oem kit on my V9. There are some comparative pictures near the end of this thread:
http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=88136.0
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To my knowledge - and in my purchase experience - the USA MY 2017 V9s were not equipped with rear-set (revised) pegs from the factory, but included rear-set pegs as a free option (I was given the rear-sets by my dealer, but have not yet installed them as I'm content with the original peg set-up). However, I understand USA MY 2018 V9s will be delivered from the factory with the same rear-mount set-up the Euro MY 2017 V9s are equipped with. And as others have noted, this set-up will place the pegs even a bit further to the rear than what is possible with the rear-sets available for/included with the USA MY 2017 V9s... I know - confusing. :huh: :violent1:
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I’ve had my 2016 Roamer about 15 months now. Not much to add to this discussion, just glad to see some others riding these things and reading about the experience. Don’t know much about the DNA history, lineage, etc of the V9, or how it fits overall into Guzzi history. My previous three Guzzi’s were big block Californias. I’m pushing 25k on my Roamer and find it works beautifully for my riding, which includes general transportation, some cross country rides (I had a handful of 600 mi days this summer on a 6,000mi trip), and seems close to perfection for a lot of the canyon riding I do here in CO. As I stated on a thread some months ago, I see my Roamer as a fine all rounder that is fun to ride to the liquor store or out to the west coast and keeps a big grin on my face as I ride the scenic routes around here. It feels quick and agile, with enough juice to make it real.
(http://thumb.ibb.co/hbYPyR/91_BC6_BB7_7_DB9_4401_BA1_C_2_E62_A0_D204_D6.jpg) (http://ibb.co/hbYPyR)
post picture to web (http://imgbb.com/)
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I think PasoDUC88 is right, from the picture of my v9 I can see the pegs in the 2016 position, I'll ask the dealer the 2017 pegs
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25k miles in 15 months! Well done Jack. Any thing needed doing besides scheduled maintenance and tires? No cold weather or high altitude fueling issues?
Bill
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Devildog...No extra maintenance or adjustments. I did have the recall work for the front brake cable done last summer. Other than that, and the few changes I�ve made to the basic bike (solo seat, proper horn, lose the charcoal canister and associated plumbing, remove the unwanted stuff like passenger footpegs and exhaust heat shields), I follow the maintenance schedule in the owner�s manual and ride as much as I can. This is my 4th Guzzi and that�s one aspect I like about the marque - I flog these machines without much thought (other than the regular maintenance as I mentioned) to anything more complicated than riding. I respect and admire those who spend time with their machines in the garage maintaining, upgrading, and tinkering, but for me the big enjoyment and ultimate satisfaction comes from riding. I believe the best maintenance for any motorcycle is to ride it every day.
Having said that, I find it useful to know and be on friendly terms with someone who does possess the knowledge, skill, experience, and tools to sort things out when needed, which invariably happens.
So far so good with my V9!