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Title: For the fly boys. They've built a second Mossi
Post by: johnr on January 26, 2017, 10:13:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkXiOqrXMmI
Title: Re: For the fly boys. They've built a second Mossi
Post by: Gliderjohn on January 26, 2017, 10:27:52 PM
This video really brings out how small that plane really was. Considering what all the design accomplished, many bows to the designers.
GliderJohn
Title: Re: For the fly boys. They've built a second Mossi
Post by: SED on January 26, 2017, 11:07:31 PM
One of my favorites!  Surprised it doesn't have counter rotating props.
Title: Re: For the fly boys. They've built a second Mossi
Post by: Sheepdog on January 26, 2017, 11:11:44 PM
A wooden aircraft with twin Rolls Merlins...what's not to like?
Title: Re: For the fly boys. They've built a second Mossi
Post by: ITSec on January 26, 2017, 11:14:18 PM
As SED mentioned, I had always thought the Merlin 76/77 engines were equipped for counter-rotating props (if not in the engine, then in the gearbox).

It's also rather odd to see a famously wooden aircraft painted to appear aluminum skinned!
Title: Re: For the fly boys. They've built a second Mossi
Post by: Kentktk on January 26, 2017, 11:14:56 PM
That`s super cool!!
Title: Re: For the fly boys. They've built a second Mossi
Post by: johnr on January 26, 2017, 11:45:20 PM
One of the most amazing things I think about the Mozzi was the bomb load it could carry.

Anyway I'm super pleased that Avspecs have gone ahead with a second one. Hopefully they will build more.
Title: Re: For the fly boys. They've built a second Mossi
Post by: tris on January 27, 2017, 12:28:51 AM
I think they are John http://www.peoplesmosquito.org.uk/

Now you New Zealanders have cracked the fuselage puzzle maybe we'll have a squadron up in a few years
Title: Re: For the fly boys. They've built a second Mossi
Post by: johnr on January 27, 2017, 03:33:08 AM
I think they are John http://www.peoplesmosquito.org.uk/

Now you New Zealanders have cracked the fuselage puzzle maybe we'll have a squadron up in a few years

Oh I think that part wasn't too hard. They just got wooden boat builders in.
Title: Re: For the fly boys. They've built a second Mossi
Post by: KiwiKev on January 27, 2017, 04:53:48 AM
Cool machine for sure


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Title: Re: For the fly boys. They've built a second Mossi
Post by: RANDM on January 27, 2017, 06:50:01 AM
One of my favourites too, great to know they're still around.

Maurie.
Title: Re: For the fly boys. They've built a second Mossi
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on January 27, 2017, 07:10:33 AM
Pretty thing.. :thumb:
I'll take the chase plane :smiley:
Title: Re: For the fly boys. They've built a second Mossi
Post by: RinkRat II on January 27, 2017, 09:30:39 AM
 Thanks for that johnr, It's a great thing these guy's do preserving history like that! I especially enjoyed the second vid with the Mosquito and P 38 together. Go figure :evil:

        Paul B :boozing:
Title: Re: For the fly boys. They've built a second Mossi
Post by: sign216 on January 27, 2017, 10:04:15 AM
Thanks for that johnr, It's a great thing these guy's do preserving history like that! I especially enjoyed the second vid with the Mosquito and P 38 together. Go figure :evil:

        Paul B :boozing:


I remember a long thread on a WWII site about which was the better plane; the P-38 or the Mosquito.  Apparently the P-38 had a max bomb load about equal to the Mosq.
Title: Re: For the fly boys. They've built a second Mossi
Post by: jas67 on January 27, 2017, 10:43:14 AM
One of my favorites!  Surprised it doesn't have counter rotating props.

It is hard to tell the direction the props are turning due to the frame rate of the video.
That's why they appear to change direction, and also why the appear to spin way slower than they actually are.

What is puzzling me is that there is only 5 exhaust stacks per side of engine nacelle, should be 6 for a V12.
Title: Re: For the fly boys. They've built a second Mossi
Post by: ITSec on January 27, 2017, 01:48:06 PM

It is hard to tell the direction the props are turning due to the frame rate of the video.
That's why they appear to change direction, and also why the appear to spin way slower than they actually are.


Actually, it's easy to tell - just look at the pitch of the props before the engines are started.  :wink:
Title: Re: For the fly boys. They've built a second Mossi
Post by: rboe on January 27, 2017, 08:00:45 PM
A great project to spend lotto money on.
Title: Re: For the fly boys. They've built a second Mossi
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on January 27, 2017, 08:01:46 PM
Ihave a really cool video of building the Moss taken in 1944. No idea how to pass it on, however..
Title: Re: For the fly boys. They've built a second Mossi
Post by: SED on January 27, 2017, 08:26:39 PM
Not counter rotating for some sound/good reasons.
Hey Kirby,
What the reasons for not counter rotating?  Always remember reading about p-38 having counter rotation and single engine planes turning harder one direction than the other (esp. Dr.1 and others with Rotary engine) so thought counter rotation was to make it nimble in turns in either direction. 
Thanks!
Title: Re: For the fly boys. They've built a second Mossi
Post by: SED on January 27, 2017, 08:28:31 PM
Pretty thing.. :thumb:
I'll take the chase plane :smiley:

Is the Chaser a Mouser?!  The colors reminded me of yours.
Title: Re: For the fly boys. They've built a second Mossi
Post by: SED on January 27, 2017, 08:33:29 PM
A favorite Mosquito picture:

(http://thumb.ibb.co/dMrtyv/Mosquito.jpg) (http://ibb.co/dMrtyv)
Title: Re: For the fly boys. They've built a second Mossi
Post by: ScepticalScotty on January 28, 2017, 04:54:37 AM
If a P38 carried a 4000lbs cookie that would be good going!
Title: Re: For the fly boys. They've built a second Mossi
Post by: johnr on January 28, 2017, 06:18:04 AM
A great project to spend lotto money on.

For an individual who won it maybe. Certainly the company wouldn't qualify for a Lotto profits handout. Those don't go to commercial enterprises.
Title: Re: For the fly boys. They've built a second Mossi
Post by: rboe on January 28, 2017, 10:19:40 AM
For an individual who won it maybe. Certainly the company wouldn't qualify for a Lotto profits handout. Those don't go to commercial enterprises.

Indeed, the winner. Would beat spending it on fast cars and strippers.  :grin:
Title: Re: For the fly boys. They've built a second Mossi
Post by: Aaron D. on January 28, 2017, 11:24:26 AM
I seem to recall that the P38s for the RAF order were not contra-rotating-maybe the Merlin in the Mosquito didn't have an easy way to reverse like the Allisons?
Title: Re: For the fly boys. They've built a second Mossi
Post by: SED on January 28, 2017, 12:22:25 PM
Ha!
First the mossi was a bomber and although it was as fast or faster than any of the fighter aircraft at the time it would not turn with any of them so its turning ability was not important.

:-)
Thanks Kirby!
Title: Re: For the fly boys. They've built a second Mossi
Post by: Aaron D. on January 28, 2017, 01:57:18 PM
Kirby-I wikipedia'd it, the RAF ordered non-contras, that were known as P-322s, I guess. And oddly the P38 had the engines rotating outward (using the top of the prop as reference).

I recalled this now-useless information reading the biography of Robin Olds.
Title: Re: For the fly boys. They've built a second Mossi
Post by: Aaron D. on January 28, 2017, 02:36:21 PM
Judging by the book, colorful barely describes it!

I do envy that meeting. 'Course, I'd like to meet you as well.
Title: Re: For the fly boys. They've built a second Mossi
Post by: Brattus on January 29, 2017, 04:25:50 PM
They have a third mossie underway. I think this one has been packed up and shipped already. They had stored it in the warbirds hanger whom had a open day so you could walk around it and a few of the others they had in the hanger. It is impressive up close and the hanger they had it in had a mezzanine floor so you could also look down on it as well. Got a few good photos
(http://thumb.ibb.co/hCZG1F/IMG_4344.jpg) (http://ibb.co/hCZG1F)

(http://thumb.ibb.co/ffob1F/IMG_4327.jpg) (http://ibb.co/ffob1F)

(http://thumb.ibb.co/cUOXaa/IMG_4255_2.jpg) (http://ibb.co/cUOXaa)
Title: Re: For the fly boys. They've built a second Mossi
Post by: KiwiKev on January 29, 2017, 08:04:40 PM
They have a third mossie underway. I think this one has been packed up and shipped already. They had stored it in the warbirds hanger whom had a open day so you could walk around it and a few of the others they had in the hanger. It is impressive up close and the hanger they had it in had a mezzanine floor so you could also look down on it as well. Got a few good photos
(http://thumb.ibb.co/hCZG1F/IMG_4344.jpg) (http://ibb.co/hCZG1F)

(http://thumb.ibb.co/ffob1F/IMG_4327.jpg) (http://ibb.co/ffob1F)<#br />
(http://thumb.ibb.co/cUOXaa/IMG_4255_2.jpg) (http://ibb.co/cUOXaa)

Is that a key for winding her up in pic #2 ???


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Title: Re: For the fly boys. They've built a second Mossi
Post by: Brattus on January 30, 2017, 08:31:04 PM
Was made of hi density foam it is covering something. I suppose you would want to walk into and damage.
Title: Re: For the fly boys. They've built a second Mossi
Post by: oldbike54 on January 30, 2017, 08:36:14 PM
Judging by the book, colorful barely describes it!

I do envy that meeting. 'Course, I'd like to meet you as well.

 One might say the Kirbster is colorful  :laugh:

 Dusty
Title: Re: For the fly boys. They've built a second Mossi
Post by: tris on January 31, 2017, 01:21:01 AM
(http://thumb.ibb.co/cUOXaa/IMG_4255_2.jpg)


Imagine that picture with one of the 2 flying Lancs in shot too  :cool: :cool:

PS
With some luck (and cash) there might be a 3rd one airworthy sometime http://www.lincsaviation.co.uk/news/lancaster-nx611-return-to-flight/avro-lancaster-nx611-winter-201617--huge-news.htm

Title: Re: For the fly boys. They've built a second Mossi
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on January 31, 2017, 09:51:44 AM
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Hats off to the check pilots as the aircraft had only one set of controls!
Gulp.
I'll bet some of those single engine exercises didn't turn out well..
Title: Re: For the fly boys. They've built a second Mossi
Post by: johnr on January 31, 2017, 03:52:12 PM

Yeah, they lost/wrecked a bunch of Mossi's to non combat ops, but it doesn't hold a candle to the Sopwith Camel as the average life expectancy for a pilot was about 2 weeks in WWI and allot of that was due to non combat ops!
:-)

I'd bet a fair few of those Mossi's were lost during low flying exercises too.
Title: Re: For the fly boys. They've built a second Mossi
Post by: Kent in Upstate NY on January 31, 2017, 03:59:43 PM
Interesting article about the folks who supplied the plywood for the originals.
http://manchesternewspapers.com/2017/01/18/losing-mill-nail-coffin/
Title: Re: For the fly boys. They've built a second Mossi
Post by: johnr on January 31, 2017, 05:28:52 PM
This relates to the first one they built here but I think you will find it interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCUk2L7RTnE
Title: Re: For the fly boys. They've built a second Mossi
Post by: KiwiKev on February 01, 2017, 10:28:48 PM
This relates to the first one they built here but I think you will find it interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCUk2L7RTnE
Nice speech from a typical kiwi bloke / pilot


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Title: Re: For the fly boys. They've built a second Mossi
Post by: Murray on February 02, 2017, 05:15:36 AM
Low level ops are just about the most dangerous thing you can do in a military aircraft especially at night.(although landing on the boat is right up there).



Although in the last forty odd years most low level night ops (mainly the fast jet ones) the pilot isn't actually flying, the aircraft is.
Title: Re: For the fly boys. They've built a second Mossi
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on February 02, 2017, 08:18:09 AM



That's no comfort to the pilot as he will arrive at the scene of the crash at the same time as the autopilot.

Autopilots by in large are quite fearless.

Beat me to it. Absolutely..
I'm sure I'd *not* be comfortable..at all.. doing something like that.