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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Calculon on February 02, 2017, 01:52:56 PM
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When the road is smooth the Nevada rides nicely, but when the road gets rough, it gets stiff. I saw people talking about Ikon shock for the V7, so I wrote to Ikon and asked if they made something for the Nevada. They recommended these shocks (https://www.ikonshocksusa.com/collections/moto-guzzi/products/7614-2004). They're black, so I asked if they came in silver since the Nevada is silver. They stated they could chrome them for another $80, which is fine, but I'm wondering if this a good option to upgrade the shocks or if there's a better choice out there? Thanks for any help
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<biting off stem of corncob pipe> Wow! Six hundred dollars? I'm very happy with the Progressive gas shocks on the Aero Lario..for half that.
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Ikon makes the 7610 series shock. About $350.
There may be one that fits your bike, might need a different bushing in the eyes.
With the bike on the center stand and the rear wheel fully extended. What is the shock length from center to center of the mounting bolts?
We might be able to narrow one down for you.
Tom
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Hagon USA sells shocks that they say will fit the Nevada.
http://hagonshocksusa.com/HagShocks.htm
I purchased one of their shocks for my BMW R1200R. The OEM unit failed after 25k. So far I am happy with it.
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MI has a progressive suspension solution...it's a really long shock from moto crossers that you mount upside down...nice improvement and budget priced below $300 for a 4-6k a year bike
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I think Hagon's are the way to go, Give Dave Quinn a call and he'll set them up for your weight and they are around $200.00 to your door.
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Thanks all for the replies. I don't mind spending the money if the Ikons offer better value, but how much better are the Hagons vs the Ikons vs whatever is on there now? Thanks again.
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*Disclaimer* I've never used them, but have heard good things about them. They'll for sure be considerably better than OEMs.
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Thanks for the reply, but are they 3x better than the Hagons, though I didn't see any Hagon's listed on the site for $200?
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MI has a progressive suspension solution...it's a really long shock from moto crossers that you mount upside down...nice improvement and budget priced below $300 for a 4-6k a year bike
I put these on my V7II Stone. Definite improvement.
I'm not real sensitive to suspension setup, but the OEM shocks were harsh on frost heave bumps, bouncing me off the saddle, even with the preload near zero. The same bumps are much better now although I still feel them on the rear (and the front). On other bikes I don't even feel them on the rear. Those bikes are dual-sports.
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Thanks for the reply, but are they 3x better than the Hagons, though I didn't see any Hagon's listed on the site for $200?
Here's a link to Dave Quinn's website, $214 a pair + shipping.
http://davequinnmotorcycles.com/cgi-bin/webc.cgi/HAGON_TWIN_SHOCKS.html
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$214.00. Type A Road shocks in chrome or black, slim or wide springs, are listed on the first page of Dave Quinn's web site.
https://www.davequinnmotorcycles.com/cgi-bin/webc.cgi/Hagon.html
Politics aside, Dave Quinn has done an outstanding job selling Hagen Shocks in The USA for decades. Hagen LLC is a Corporate upstart. I'm with Charlie, contact Dave Quinn.
Usual disclaimer.,
Dick Casey
Well Satisfied Customer
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Thanks for starting this thread, Calculon.
I've been wanting to upgrade the shocks on my Breva 750. I believe both bikes share the same shock. I've got the same stiff ride on mine. I'm only 180 lbs. all geared up and the stock spring doesn't want to compress for me just sitting on the bike with hardly any preload. I'm tempted to go with Hagons, as recommended here.
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I am in the process of modding a Nevada for Dual Purpose.
I used 400mm shocks from Progressive, the so-called MX, upside-down ones.
They have 5" of travel so you have to fit travel restrictors, which is OK and not a pain. Standard length is 370 or 375mm.
The damping in the Progressives is wrong. It is 1:1, meaning that compression damping is the same as rebound damping. To have the rebound damping so that the shock does not bounce after hitting a bump means that the compression damping is way too strong and makes the shocks unusually harsh, even with a soft spring set for the four inches of travel now available.
To test any non-gas pressurised shock (or fork) remove the spring and compress, then extend the shock. It should take at least twice the effort or more to extend the shock than to compress it. You cannot really test gas shocks in this way but watching to see how slowly they rebound will give you a reasonable idea.
Using 390 to 400mm shocks will correctly balance the Nevada, since its forks use a different (shorter) rebound spring so that there is, in theory, over five inches of travel available, compared to the three and a half inches or so of the standard Breva and later Classic forks.
However if you use 400mm shocks the centre stand is then slightly too "short" to correctly hold the bike. 390mm shocks with the correct spring and damping would be preferable.
In any case, if you get proper rear shocks you will then notice how harsh the front end is, which can be helped by fitting a Race Tech kit to fix the harsh damping in the forks.
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Here's a dumb question, when you say MI has a progressive suspension solution, what's MI?
I sent Dave an email. We'll see what he has to say.
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Moto international
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It's all coming back to me now. I spoke with MI last year. They did have some shocks and were a more reasonable $300, but they only came in black. Since everything else is silver on the Nevada, I thought it would look out of place. Perhaps I can get them chrome plated like the Ikons.
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Here's what Dave said:
Happy to help with Hagon shocks for your Nevada. Hagons standard twin shocks are not made in this length – for a while we were selling 390mm Trail shocks but in 2016 Hagons came up with a better solution – their 2810 damping adjustable shocks in 390mm.
If your existing shocks are 390mm/15.35” I have these the shelf to suit. The 2810s offer 3 position stepped preload adjuster and damping adjustment via thumb screw in the bottom shock eye. $334 a pr plus UPS at cost, your choice of chrome or black springs. These will easily be up to your loading.
I believe 12mm bolt diameter x 22mm wide bushes all around but Italians being Italians 14 x 24 is also a possibility, could you check ?
I believe I have standard shocks, but I'm not sure if that's the 390mm/15.35" or something else and if I should do 12x22 or 14x24?
I'm also wondering if i can get the Moto Internationals chromed if they're a better shock?