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Title: Nothing wrong with the Fiat 600 that a Moto Guzzi V-Twin can't fix
Post by: LeRoy on March 03, 2017, 10:37:47 PM
This may be old news  or a rerun from the past. I think I recall it, perhaps from some other forum. In any event, the title line above says it all and the article below says it again in more complete detail.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/theres-nothing-wrong-with-the-fiat-600-that-a-moto-guzzi-v-twin-cant-fix-lemons-insanity/
Title: Re: Nothing wrong with the Fiat 600 that a Moto Guzzi V-Twin can't fix
Post by: Muzz on March 04, 2017, 01:51:42 AM
Love it! :thumb:
Title: Re: Nothing wrong with the Fiat 600 that a Moto Guzzi V-Twin can't fix
Post by: twowings on March 04, 2017, 02:17:10 AM
Brava!! LOL

Would have LOVED to hear it run!!
Title: Re: Nothing wrong with the Fiat 600 that a Moto Guzzi V-Twin can't fix
Post by: azguzzirep on March 04, 2017, 07:10:30 AM
Sometimes ya just gotta love California 😁
Title: Re: Nothing wrong with the Fiat 600 that a Moto Guzzi V-Twin can't fix
Post by: ohiorider on March 04, 2017, 10:25:43 AM
I've watched the Battle of the LeMons close to home (Nelson Ledges Race Track) and close to Virginia at Summit Point (in W Va.) There's some really strange machinery running around the track at these events.  I've got slideshow on Photobucket if it will cooperate and let me open it.  (It didn't cooperate) .... here's two pics of a Wartburg.  At Summit Point it showed up with an engine in the rear ..... recall that it was a Subaru flat four .....  Previously, at Nelson Ledges, it ran the original 3 cylinder/2 stroke engine front mounted as from the factory.

(http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n284/bcgilligan/24%20Hours%20of%20leMons/IMG_0323_zpse1fcae0c.jpg) (http://s115.photobucket.com/user/bcgilligan/media/24%20Hours%20of%20leMons/IMG_0323_zpse1fcae0c.jpg.html)

(http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n284/bcgilligan/24%20Hours%20of%20leMons/IMG_0324_zpsfc87f991.jpg) (http://s115.photobucket.com/user/bcgilligan/media/24%20Hours%20of%20leMons/IMG_0324_zpsfc87f991.jpg.html)

Title: Re: Nothing wrong with the Fiat 600 that a Moto Guzzi V-Twin can't fix
Post by: twowings on March 04, 2017, 04:55:47 PM
I got to flag and work pit out on a 24-hour race at our local track when the Chump Car (essentially same thing as LeMons) series came through...had a blast!! 

One of the spectators donated his daily-driver transmission so one team could finish the race...after the checkers, they re-installed the tranny back into the guys truck!!  :bow:
Title: Re: Nothing wrong with the Fiat 600 that a Moto Guzzi V-Twin can't fix
Post by: Moto on March 04, 2017, 07:44:26 PM
The story about Moto Guzzi working with Fiat to put the motorcycle v-twin into a Fiat car is a myth. Greg Field quotes Guzzi engineers and shows photos of the actual Fiat prototype --a  different engine altogether -- to disprove it. (In his book, Guzzi Big Twins.)
Title: Re: Nothing wrong with the Fiat 600 that a Moto Guzzi V-Twin can't fix
Post by: Tusayan on March 04, 2017, 08:33:47 PM
Here is a 2011 interview of Enrico Cantoni in which he explains his role in developing a Guzzi engine for the Fiat Cinquecento.  If I recall correctly, Giulio Carcano's personal Fiat had the engine installed.  Everything I've read indicates it was a late '50s project that Guzzi initiated and tried to sell to Fiat unsuccessfully, not a joint venture, and the Vee twin motorcycle engine came later.

https://rideapart.com/articles/the-man-who-made-the-moto-guzzi-v8
Title: Re: Nothing wrong with the Fiat 600 that a Moto Guzzi V-Twin can't fix
Post by: Arizona Wayne on March 04, 2017, 08:40:18 PM
The story about Moto Guzzi working with Fiat to put the motorcycle v-twin into a Fiat car is a myth. Greg Field quotes Guzzi engineers and shows photos of the actual Fiat prototype --a  different engine altogether -- to disprove it. (In his book, Guzzi Big Twins.)


I believe the starter motors of the `70 to `80 big block motors are from Fiat car motors.
Title: Re: Nothing wrong with the Fiat 600 that a Moto Guzzi V-Twin can't fix
Post by: Moto on March 04, 2017, 10:04:48 PM
Here is a 2011 interview of Enrico Cantoni in which he explains his role in developing a Guzzi engine for the Fiat Cinquecento.  If I recall correctly, Giulio Carcano's personal Fiat had the engine installed.  Everything I've read indicates it was a late '50s project that Guzzi initiated and tried to sell to Fiat unsuccessfully, not a joint venture, and the Vee twin motorcycle engine came later.

https://rideapart.com/articles/the-man-who-made-the-moto-guzzi-v8

That's right. The motorcycle engine and the Fiat project engine were two different things. The article posted at the top of this thread says different.