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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: tasdisr on March 25, 2017, 08:42:41 AM
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Since the V7 II is my first bike in over 15 years I have decided to subscribe to the AGATT idea. I currently have a Tourmaster Intake Air 4.0 jacket and was wondering if any one has any ideas for a summer jacket that may be a little lighter yet still provide decent protection.
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During the dreadful "Forbidden Planet" summers in The Valley of the Sun (Phoenix, AZ), I wear one of these. :cool: :thumb:
(http://thumb.ibb.co/eQbPVa/Screen_Shot_2017_03_25_at_7_03_08_AM.png) (http://ibb.co/eQbPVa)
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:1: I have a first generation JR PHX. Great jacket. The later ones have more features. :thumb:
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Thanks! I will have to take a look at the Joe Rocket Phoenix. I would think sizing would be about the same as the Tourmaster. My Intake Air is an xl>
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I've often wondered if there are any mesh jackets that can double as "three-season" jackets simple by attaching an outer shell, so that you still have all the armor but air doesn't blow through when it gets a bit nippy.
Wearing a good mesh jacket under 65 degrees will freeze you to death .... you're warmer in a T-shirt ...
I have a "Bilt" 2XL mesh jacket but like all "Bilts", it's bilt down to a price. Good value for what you pay, but not top-drawer. I'm down to a XL now and looking for a new jacket for this summer ....
Lannis
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Olympia Moto Sports makes excellent gear with very high quality and features for the price. They have a very extensive line, and feature jackets that can be configured for a variety of weather conditions, from very hot to cold. I have a "Transitions" jacket (and matching pants), the predecessor of the current "Expedition" jacket, with "Mega-Vents"' that open for abundant ventilation, but which can be zipped closed for cooler temps. The jacket has held up perfectly for five years of heavy use. Comfortable, protective, adaptable. Very good value-for-money, IMO.
https://olympiamotosports.com/en-US
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I've often wondered if there are any mesh jackets that can double as "three-season" jackets simple by attaching an outer shell, so that you still have all the armor but air doesn't blow through when it gets a bit nippy.
Wearing a good mesh jacket under 65 degrees will freeze you to death .... you're warmer in a T-shirt ...
I have a "Bilt" 2XL mesh jacket but like all "Bilts", it's bilt down to a price. Good value for what you pay, but not top-drawer. I'm down to a XL now and looking for a new jacket for this summer ....
Lannis
I have an Olympia winter jacket that I like pretty well. Just ordered their Airglide V this morning for summer wear, so no pilot report yet. :smiley:
It has the feature you are looking for. Along with the insulated liner, it has a rain liner that can be worn under the mesh jacket.. OR.. on the outside. That should keep the jacket dry in rain..one of my pet peeves with perf jackets.
We'll see..
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I've often wondered if there are any mesh jackets that can double as "three-season" jackets simple by attaching an outer shell, so that you still have all the armor but air doesn't blow through when it gets a bit nippy.
I have purchased several mesh jackets over the years. I have yet to see one that had the water protection layer on the outside. I do know that none of the liners on the inside are even water resistant. The mesh gets wet, lays on the nylon (or whatever) layer and it absorbs the water. I have zipped the liner in and used it for a wind breaker effect for cooler rides. Good to the low 40's with a Tee shirt. That is on a ST1100 which has a windshield and fairing. After that I need a long sleeve Tee or a flannel shirt. I will admit I like the coolness when I ride.
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I got an AGV Sport Solare Vented Textile Jacket and now it is even less expensive at $50. I have been using it for almost a year in Florida. Quality seems pretty good to me. Not all sizes available in all colors. I got a medium gray and I am about 5-11 and 150 lbs.
http://www.chaparral-racing.com/product/agv-sport-solare-vented-textile-jacket/231-0011.aspx (http://www.chaparral-racing.com/product/agv-sport-solare-vented-textile-jacket/231-0011.aspx)
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I do know that none of the liners on the inside are even water resistant.
Sorry, but that's just not true. Gore Tex is quite good. My ancient MotoPort suit's Gore Tex liner has kept me (mostly) dry in some serious frog stranglers. Sidi's Sympatex boot liners are waterproof, as well..
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Olympia Moto Sports makes excellent gear with very high quality and features for the price. They have a very extensive line, and feature jackets that can be configured for a variety of weather conditions, from very hot to cold. I have a "Transitions" jacket (and matching pants), the predecessor of the current "Expedition" jacket, with "Mega-Vents"' that open for abundant ventilation, but which can be zipped closed for cooler temps. The jacket has held up perfectly for five years of heavy use. Comfortable, protective, adaptable. Very good value-for-money, IMO.
https://olympiamotosports.com/en-US
:1: on the Olympia Motorsports jackets. I have the "Nomad" from 4 years ago. Has lots of flaps front and back and on the sleeves that open up to allow lots of air flow in hot weather. It has three components, an outer Cordura shell, a rain liner and an insulated liner which I think is pretty typical of Olympia gear. Gives a lot of flexibility and jacket works very well over a wide temperature range (about 45F minimum). I tend to use it more as a hotter weather jacket and leave out the liners. It is not very rainproof with all the zippers so if you want a jacket for colder temps and or riding in rain you will need something else. Only complaint I have about the Nomad is that I find it too short in the back when on the bike but it would be fine with bib-type pants.
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I have an Olympia winter jacket that I like pretty well. Just ordered their Airglide V this morning for summer wear, so no pilot report yet. :smiley:
It has the feature you are looking for. Along with the insulated liner, it has a rain liner that can be worn under the mesh jacket.. OR.. on the outside. That should keep the jacket dry in rain..one of my pet peeves with perf jackets.
We'll see..
I've often wondered if there are any mesh jackets that can double as "three-season" jackets simple by attaching an outer shell, so that you still have all the armor but air doesn't blow through when it gets a bit nippy.
Wearing a good mesh jacket under 65 degrees will freeze you to death .... you're warmer in a T-shirt ...
I have a "Bilt" 2XL mesh jacket but like all "Bilts", it's bilt down to a price. Good value for what you pay, but not top-drawer. I'm down to a XL now and looking for a new jacket for this summer ....
Lannis
I've changed to something different....I have a common good quality mesh with armour ...but then I keep a good quality breathable raincoat for underneath when the weather rains or goes cool...right now I have a Marmot Precip, about $110...the hood rolls into a pouch around the collar and protects the neck...the arms are longer and made with a bend to them...I also carry the Precip pants to wear over the clapped out aerostich suit pants, and will layer the jacket on the inside.of the top..use both almost all seasons except scorching hot and then just the tourmaster mesh
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:1: l do the same. I found a cheap rain suit at Walmart that still works. I use that as an over-suit. PHX jacket under it.
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A few years ago I bought a Tourmaster Draft Air 2.0 summer jacket I really like. It has a removable waterproof liner and it can be used for rain or cold protection. Paid $120 for it. It has built in shoulder, back, elbow pads. :thumb: As far as dehydration, I carry a water bag in my tank bag w/hose for that. :smiley: All my rigs have some kind of wind protection built in so most my upper body is protected.
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In hot desert riding perf jackets are like convection ovens, too much dry air! The evap will make you feel cooler but it will dehydrate you quickly.
Better to have something that shields you from full blast of the hot air but has controllable venting (lots of vent openings).
As for rain, hey it never rains in Southern California..have you heard? (but it feels and smells good if it does).
just sayin...
Wearing a light, long sleeve T-shirt helps... :thumb: :cool:
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On my second Joe Rocket mesh jacket, and I also have the pants. Affordable and good quality. When it gets HOT, it's the only answer. I've prayed for rain on more than one ride in the summer heat. On chilly mornings just zip in the liner and wear a sweatshirt underneath.
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My matching pants went down Money Creek at the MN National MG bike drowning.
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Lots of good ideas, sounds like 3 votes for Olympia so I'll try them first ....
:1: on the dehydration risk in a mesh jacket. I once rode my BSA A10 from home up to central Pennsylvania to camp with some friends ... it was a HOT day, about a 7 hour ride on the back roads, I had my mesh jacket and 1 pint of water.
When I got to the restaurant where we were initially meeting, I felt a bit "draggy" going inside. When I sat down at the table I felt really faint, so went the restroom so I wouldn't bother anyone else. Hadn't peed all day, which is a danger sign.
Trying to get back to the table, I came within an ace of passing completely out; the guys saw I was in trouble, came and helped me to the table, and unobtrusively started feeding me ice water and a Snickers bar ... I soon started feeling better, like a wilted lettuce leaf when you sprinkle ice water on it, and after about a quart of water I was as good as new (however good "new" was, probably no bargain.)
I was very appreciative of the "Guy" way of doing things - don't make a fuss, handle it yourself, take care of your buddy. If it had been girls, I suspect I would have been in an ambulance to the ER ...
Mesh jackets suck it RIGHT out of you. I should have had two quarts of water on me, not one pint ...
Lannis
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Good reason to do a break every hour or so to hydrate, stretch, fuel up the bike and get out of the sun. :thumb:
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Hi,
I live in South/Mid Tennessee and ride year round. for the most part I wear a Olympia Dakar jacket in hi-viz. Comes with multiple liners so for the most part is an all season jacket. However if the temps drop into the low 30's I pull out my old Fieldsheer which is perhaps the warmest jacket right next to my 20+ year old Hein Gericke Paris Dakar leather.
https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/olympia-dakar-2-jacket
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I always wear a LS shirt under my mesh jacket and can ride all day w/o stopping in 115F hot weather except for gas as long as I have ice water to sip on in my water bag as needed. Otherwise I'd have to stop. 1 time on my 400 MP3 my air temp. went from 119F to just reading HI on the scooter gauge. :huh: Musta gotten up to 121F that time. Watercooled motor did just fine then. :thumb: That was around Needles, Ca. I was about 75 miles from home then so just kept on bookin'.
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Iron Butt magazine had a great multi page article on hot weather riding.
A google search on the topic will add a lot to your knowledge base.
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I wear a Tourmaster Sonora Air 3/4 jacket year round. Our summers get into the 11x* on a regular basis, and that with a Heat Out undershirt seems to work pretty well for me. Between 70* and 100* just the jacket is fine. On long days I do drink a lot of water and pour almost an equal amount over me to help with the cooling.
Of course it does not get as cold in SoCal as it might in some other parts of the world. When the temps get too far down for the jacket with dual liners, I add an Under Armour Cold Gear Mock shirt (good to the low 40s) and then the electric jacket and gloves and keep on trucking. Even with that I have my limits. Mid 30s is about as low as I ride. I haven't needed a warmer jacket until this year. Still didn't get one, but thought about it several times. Maybe I'm getting older and don't want to deal with the discomfort any longer?
jdg
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I have owned (and still do) numerous Joe Rocket Phoenix jackets. Highly recommended, but they run quite small - if you are an L or maybe an XL, get XXL for a start.
For something a bit heavier and more versatile, I like (and own) the Tourmaster 3-season jackets. Some designs put the waterproof shell as a removable overlay to the mesh core. This type is particularly good since the water stays at the top in a rainstorm, and doesn't soak the mesh before hitting the barrier. Some Tourmaster models have a mesh main jacket, and a removable thermal under-layer as well a a rainproof outer layer.
While there are many good products, I've found best value for money with Joe Rocket and Tourmaster when looking at lighter riding gear.
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Currently I have a textile Vanson jacket. It works until temps get above 95.
For rain, which we have he more than 95 degree days I'll have a couple rain shells (one is a Triumph jacket and the other is a Icon).
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5635/30292926213_feb8b97e59_b.jpg)
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During the dreadful "Forbidden Planet" summers in The Valley of the Sun (Phoenix, AZ), I wear one of these. :cool: :thumb:
(http://thumb.ibb.co/eQbPVa/Screen_Shot_2017_03_25_at_7_03_08_AM.png) (http://ibb.co/eQbPVa)
I have two of these, the original Phoenix and 4.0. The 4.0 has a rain liner and can be used in cooler weather.
Actually, I like the original best because it's much lighter but of course they haven't been available in a dozen years.
I also have the Phoenix over pants that I can wear with shorts. They are still pretty warm.
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Picked up a Rev'It Tornado 2 late last year on sale in preparation for this summer. The perforated leather jacket I had been wearing for all conditions was just too hot in the summer. The new jacket has a detachable waterproof thermal layer underneath, which really does make it 3 season ready. I wore the Rev'It during my last ride of the year to winterize the bike in sub 40 degree weather, and it kept me relatively toasty. Haven't yet tried riding with the only the armored shell, but I imagine it's going to breath like crazy, given its light weight and impressive venting.
(http://thumb.ibb.co/d3M3qa/image.png) (http://ibb.co/d3M3qa)
https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/revit-tornado-2-jacket
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I got a Tourmaster Flex 3 jacket in May 2013 and I've been happy with it over the past 4 years. It has a mesh main jacket with CE Approved shoulder and elbow pads, a water "proof" (it is truly wind proof, however) outer shell and a quilted full-sleeve thermal inner layer, both of which can be zipped out. I used to use this jacket all year, and zip in and out layers as the season and temperature changed, but I got too lazy to do all that. Now I just leave it all together and use it in cooler weather. The rest of the year I wear a Vanson leather jacket, except when it's very hot, when I use an inexpensive Bilt Blaze mesh jacket (from Cycle Gear), which has elbow and shoulder padding, thinner than the CE stuff but I hope better than nothing.
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Thanks to everyone for their input. I do like my Tour Master Intake Air and I also have one of their Transition Series 4 jackets. I think that I may try one of the Joe Rocket Phoenix jackets. It looks like it may allow better air flow than my Intake air and the price is reasonable.
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Motoport and Aerostich, but their prices won't be on the reasonable end of things. Until you crash, then they are worth their purchase price.
Steve.
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Take a look at these guys too. I have an older one that is a cotton shell with kevlar and body armor. They use CoolMax now instead of cotton. They're an Israeli company that started designing their jackets for use the in the desert. The Israeli motorcycle cops have used their jackets. http://www.brosh.com
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Olympia Moto Sports makes excellent gear with very high quality and features for the price. They have a very extensive line, and feature jackets that can be configured for a variety of weather conditions, from very hot to cold. I have a "Transitions" jacket (and matching pants), the predecessor of the current "Expedition" jacket, with "Mega-Vents"' that open for abundant ventilation, but which can be zipped closed for cooler temps. The jacket has held up perfectly for five years of heavy use. Comfortable, protective, adaptable. Very good value-for-money, IMO.
https://olympiamotosports.com/en-US
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My two jackets are Olympia. One for summer one for winter. The summer jacket has a zip in liner that shuts off the mesh. Same for the winter but that jacket has no mesh.
https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/olympia-airglide-5-jacket
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80+ tempts and summer touring I have a mesh FIRST GEAR jacket. It's equipped with a reasonable meadium impact inserts. Comes with a light zip out liner for cool mornings and evening ridding. If you need more warmth just add a under armor crew neck long sleeve shirt. That covers most all warm weather needs. Of course rain gear is a must on extended rides and FROG TOGGS takes care of that need very well. Ride safe, just ride my friends:)
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I purchased a Klim Induction this winter and its getting its first use in Florida.
Seems like a very, very good jacket for air venting ..... like nothing I've ever had. Im also very confident in its ability to protect me if I go down judging by the material.
I researched quite a bit before I bought this and I think I made the right choice.
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I have the Joe Rocket 5.0 and really like it. Has a detachable liner and vest. Removing all the Joe Rocket labels makes it a good looking jacket too!
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I have the Joe Rocket 5.0 and really like it. Has a detachable liner and vest. Removing all the Joe Rocket labels makes it a good looking jacket too!
Not a bad idea, I don't like the Joe Rocket labels and think the jacket would look better without them especially the one on the back.
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Looks like I'm in the small minority here with all leather Vanson fully perforated leather pants and jacket. For cold weather I use warm n safe waterproof and wind proof electric liner and for rain I carry a tour master rain suit. Been down a couple times and just prefer leather.
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I've had lots of mesh jackets for warm weather riding, but the one that I currently wear is, IMO, the best of the bunch: a BMW Venting Machine. I'm not even sure whether they're still available, but the venting is fantastic, and so is the armor. I've also had the Airflow, but I like this one much more. To be honest, I think BMW clothing is really well thought out and put together nicely. Well worth a look.
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I've found that a good quality mesh jacket with a windproof/water resistant liner is all that one needs. In cold weather wear a fleece under it, in hot remove the liner. I have an old Power Trip mesh jacket that I refuse to retire despite having a new Joe Rocket in the closet. I find the liner can be worn as a jacket off the bike while walking around. Although not totally WATERPOOF (nothing is short of a plastic bag), it is very good at keeping the rain out.
Cheers, Tim
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I have used garbage bags as liners for luggage and moto gear. :tongue:
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I just received my Olympia Alpha Jacket. Took it for it's first ride today and I'm quite satisfied. Lots of mesh in a 3/4 style with 6 external pockets and 2 internal pockets- one for your wallet and a waterproof one for a phone. Warning, the phone pocket will not fit one of the larger smart phones. My iPhone 6 is just barely fits. Also, the external pockets are mesh so they flow lots of air but wont protect anything from rain.
The jacket comes with a removable rain liner that can be worn outside or inside and a removable thermal liner. I'd say it should be a good 3 season jacket. It has somewhat flimsy armor in shoulders, elbows and spine as is usual for a mesh jacket. One disappointment is that it does not have a larger posterior jacket to store the rain liner so that has to be stored on the bike somewhere. There are straps at waist and biceps to adjust fit.
As for appearance, it looks like most of these functional jackets. One silly feature is the epaulets. I imagine they would come in very handy if you wear one of those Sam Browne reflective belts. I don't so I'll probably take a razor to them and chuck them in the bin at some point. For now, I can't be arsed. I got the version that is described as Loden . As far as I can tell, that makes it a very dark brown-- almost black. I've seen waxed cotton jackets that color so I suppose that's what they were shooting for.
Guzzi content-- half price! Originally 300, now going for $149.50 at Revzilla.
https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/olympia-alpha-jacket?gclid=Cj0KCQjwhIP6BRCMARIsALu9Lfm65VDTuiGXBoXNhemgocs2RNdIgmJ6qnTny9Z1GaUp5f46d7sTRqwaAr-wEALw_wcB
(https://www.revzilla.com/product_images/0167/5425/olympia_alpha_jacket_slate_750x750.jpg)
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My husband has a Joe Rocket Phoenix (5.?) mesh that he wears as a year round jacket. The removable waterproof liner (also a separate windbreaker) has kept him dry during a monsoon downpour and he tosses on a sweatshirt, when a touch of warmth is neededi during our mild winters. I use a Scorpion mesh for summer and it has served me well during the warm (115 + degrees) weather months. We've had both for several years and they have held up well.
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Sorry, but that's just not true. Gore Tex is quite good. My ancient MotoPort suit's Gore Tex liner has kept me (mostly) dry in some serious frog stranglers. Sidi's Sympatex boot liners are waterproof, as well..
I bought a Rukka mesh jacket years ago, and it has a good (mostly) waterproof insulating removable liner.
Rich
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I really like my Guzzi Jeans jacket in the summertime.
(https://www.moto-guzzi-onlineshop.de/media/image/3e/5d/5e/x1280y0img237338__600x600@2x.jpg)
Ciao
Lars
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I went with a fully perforated leather Vanson. I like the idea of leather between me and the road. I have worn it on very hot days and it flows air through you very well as you can imagine. Great jacket! And USA made.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Qt3Lmkz0/mk2-pro-PERF-CSRV-Sport-Rider-black-perforated-leather-with-armor-motorcycle-jacket.png) (https://postimages.org/)
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I have the Klim induction jacket and love it...no waterproof liner or cover. It's my summer jacket around town. Has armor in all the correct places.
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exhuming an old topic? I'll play. ;-)
This summer has been too hot, to me, for WI.
I replaced my old, lightly used Teknic "Supervent" black mesh jacket.
Feels like a solar collector in the mid-day sun.
Happy with a Firstgear Rush Air silver mesh jacket.
Came with comfortable, soft Knox CE1 (EN1621-1 2012) shoulder and elbow armor.
Far less noticeable, or felt, than the "turtle shell" Knox CE1 (EN1621-1/97) armor I have in the Teknic.
Now shopping for a back protector that fits in the tiny pocket.
A cheap Joe Rocket "spine pad" isn't cutting it. Kinda like wearable shipping styrofoam.
Probably buying the Knox item that should come standard, but didn't.
Steve M in SE WI
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I went with a fully perforated leather Vanson. I like the idea of leather between me and the road. I have worn it on very hot days and it flows air through you very well as you can imagine. Great jacket! And USA made.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Qt3Lmkz0/mk2-pro-PERF-CSRV-Sport-Rider-black-perforated-leather-with-armor-motorcycle-jacket.png) (https://postimages.org/)
I'd been wondering what to replace my now-worn-out Bilt with!
I'm gettin' me one of those .....
Lannis
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Careful with Vanson. They are absolutely beautiful and beautifully made of top notch materials. However, they are not sized for tall people. I'm 6'2" and everyone I've tried fits like a belly shirt with 3/4 sleeves.
Well worth having one made if you can afford it.
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Careful with Vanson. They are absolutely beautiful and beautifully made of top notch materials. However, they are not sized for tall people. I'm 6'2" and everyone I've tried fits like a belly shirt with 3/4 sleeves.
Well worth having one made if you can afford it.
I'm 6'2" also, with 32" inseam so that makes me "long-waisted" when it comes to sizing.
When you say "having one made", do you mean having Vanson customize one or is that someone else ... ?
Lannis
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I think Vanson will make one to your measurements. Well worth it. They really are exceptional. I bought one from Ebay similar to the one above. Didn't fit me very well so I gave it to a friend of mine. He's about 5' 6" and it fits him great. :)
Ooooh, I found this:
https://vansonleathers.com/content/56-custom-fit-design
If I could afford it, I'd have one.
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I went with a fully perforated leather Vanson. I like the idea of leather between me and the road. I have worn it on very hot days and it flows air through you very well as you can imagine. Great jacket! And USA made.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Qt3Lmkz0/mk2-pro-PERF-CSRV-Sport-Rider-black-perforated-leather-with-armor-motorcycle-jacket.png) (https://postimages.org/)
I also like the kidney belt attached! Nice jacket but I suspect it’s fairly pricey?
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I also like the kidney belt attached! Nice jacket but I suspect it’s fairly pricey?
$650 or so depending on the trim level. Not near as much as a Langlitz or Schott jacket ....
Custom Vanson prices aren't going to upset me. We bought Fay a full Rukka suit, and me a full 'Stich two years ago. After that, NOTHING will surprise us; we're immune to sticker shock.
I suppose that a full leather race suit with lots of custom graphics, sliders, etc could be pretty pricey, but that's like buying a shotgun or a banjo - you can quintuple the price just with abalone inlays, engraving, gold and silver plating, etc.
Lannis
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Well, since I last posted to this thread in 2017, I've changed up my riding gear. I have moved to MotoPort for both pants and jacket. My year round jacket is now a MotoPort Ultra II Air Mesh. For $645 you get a jacket custom made to your size that has all the protection of leather during an unintended dismount. For the cost of two regular mid- to high-end mesh jackets, I have something that will probably last me the rest of my riding career. Of course when you add stuff to the base jacket (extra reflective stripes, arm pockets, etc.) you can run the price into the low $700s.
Highly recommended.
jdg
(https://www.motoport.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/ultra-ll-blk-mesh.jpg)