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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: aschem on March 27, 2017, 09:13:29 AM
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Anyone in the US see one of the new Roamers in person? My guess is that it will be here next year. I like the revised foot peg location on the Roamer.
http://www.motoguzzi.com/en_EN/motorbikes/custom/V9/V9-Roamer/
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The days of the US getting the new stuff a year later are over. They may already be in dealers, if not I'll bet they are here within a month or two. Drop Guzzi a note and ask them, they have gotten pretty good about responding to questions like yours.
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They've got one available for test rides at my dealer in Richmond, VA, so they're here for sure ... maybe not all the way to Idaho yet .... :grin:
Lannis
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Footpegs are now closer to where they oughta be. With a larger tank (V7 style) I might be on board.
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A guy from Colorado showed up on one last year at the New Mexico Guzzi Rally in Datil. He said he liked it! :thumb: :cool:
Cool looking modern Guzzi...and it sort of reminded me of a late model HD Sportster... :1:
(http://thumb.ibb.co/bNhJ6F/IMG_0071.jpg) (http://ibb.co/bNhJ6F)
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Thanks. Ever since I sold my CALVIN to NCDAN, I have been itching to get another MG under 500lbs. I like the new, revised Roamer. I will have to travel quite far to buy one as closest dealer is in Reno or do a fly and ride this summer.
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i saw one in person at the dealership a couple of weeks ago. not really a fan of the cruiser/bobber style but the roamer in person looks MUCH better than the photos. it got my attention.
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Really not a bad looking ride...when you look close...(IMHO) I like the Bobber also...and the Stornello! :cool: :thumb:
(http://thumb.ibb.co/cwnkmF/Screen_Shot_2017_03_27_at_8_48_14_AM.png) (http://ibb.co/cwnkmF)
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Footpegs are now closer to where they oughta be. With a larger tank (V7 style) I might be on board.
Todd at Guzzitech converts them with a much more sensible 22 liter tank !
Im just waiting to get over & try one.
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I saw that. I also saw the custom shocks and exhaust options for the V9. Hopefully, I can pick one up this year...or next year. I'm trying to be patient :bike-037:
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Sportster wanna be.. I don't think HD has anything to worry about.
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It's a pleasant looking uncomplicated bike.....It needs more power.........
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Sportster wanna be.. I don't think HD has anything to worry about.
Of course, why be different when you can be like everyone else. Your average small cruiser shopper will go with the safe choice 99.8% of the time.
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It's a pleasant looking uncomplicated bike.....It needs more power.........
I wouldn't make such a claim if you haven't ridden one. I have, and it doesn't need more power. It moves quite well.
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I wouldn't make such a claim if you haven't ridden one. I have, and it doesn't need more power. It moves quite well.
I think the "Needs more power" thing is just a gearhead pleasantry, like asking "How are you today?". When someone says "How are you?" they don't really mean that you need to tell them your condition of bodily health.
Similarly, when someone is referring to a V9, or a KTM 1290 with 170 HP, or a Ducati or BMW with 190 HP, or a turbo Hayabusa with 300 HP, and they say "Needs 10 or 15 more horsepower", it's just a sort of way of acknowledging the post. Just my opinion, having seen A LOT OF THAT over the years ... ! :azn:
Lannis
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I wouldn't make such a claim if you haven't ridden one. I have, and it doesn't need more power. It moves quite well.
It has 55 HP, and here are the other specs. I have ridden a V7, and it was OK, and this V9 would be a notch better, so I suspect it would be just fine...If you want a two-wheel rocket, buy a V-Max or Hayabusa or Ninja 1000 :laugh: :grin: :wink:
(http://thumb.ibb.co/fET38v/Screen_Shot_2017_03_28_at_11_11_03_AM.png) (http://ibb.co/fET38v)
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My opinion having owned both V7 and V9: the V9 is the engine we all wish was in the V7. Maybe the V7 III will bring it up to par.
More power in the V9 would just further expose the mediocrity of the chassis. The power is perfectly good for what it is.
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My opinion having owned both V7 and V9: the V9 is the engine we all wish was in the V7. Maybe the V7 III will bring it up to par.
More power in the V9 would just further expose the mediocrity of the chassis. The power is perfectly good for what it is.
If MG doesn't put the 850cc motor in a V7 looking bike, I might just watch the salvage auctions for a wrecked V9 from which to translate in the motor into my V7R.
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If MG doesn't put the 850cc motor in a V7 looking bike, I might just watch the salvage auctions for a wrecked V9 from which to translate in the motor into my V7R.
Or....just keep the V7R and buy a Griso...or one of these classic roadsters!! (90+HP, fuel-injected, 992cc, 4-valve-OHC) :thumb: :cool: :1: NOTE: No issue with "not enough horsepower" or torque with this beast! (LOL)
(http://thumb.ibb.co/m1Z4WF/Right_side_2.jpg) (http://ibb.co/m1Z4WF)
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If MG doesn't put the 850cc motor in a V7 looking bike, I might just watch the salvage auctions for a wrecked V9 from which to translate in the motor into my V7R.
I suspect they will, they almo have with the v7iii. I'm interested to hear how the new hemi 750 makes power compared to the very old school heron head.
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JJ, fwiw some who have ridden both have suggested the difference between the V7 and V9 is more than specs suggest.
As for Jay and a Griso, I suspect his Duc and F800 give him anything he wants in terms of power with less weight and his V7's give him the Guzzi character.
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JJ, fwiw some who have ridden both have suggested the difference between the V7 and V9 is more than specs suggest.
As for Jay and a Griso, I suspect his Duc and F800 give him anything he wants in terms of power with less weight and his V7's give him the Guzzi character.
OK - noted - and I did not know he had a Duc and a Beemer F800... So, in summary, you are saying the V9 is a much better bike overall than the V7? :undecided:
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OK - noted - and I did not know he had a Duc and a Beemer F800... So, in summary, you are saying the V9 is a much better bike overall than the V7? :undecided:
Better is one of those amorphous terms.
Reports are that the V9 motor punches above it's specs more than expected AND the details seemed to be better looked after.
The V9 is growing on me, but perhaps a hybrid of the V9 and V7 would still be the right bike for me.
Shy of that my V7 is still probably "better" for me. But that's personal.
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Better is one of those amorphous terms.
Reports are that the V9 motor punches above it's specs more than expected AND the details seemed to be better looked after.
The V9 is growing on me, but perhaps a hybrid of the V9 and V7 would still be the right bike for me.
Shy of that my V7 is still probably "better" for me. But that's personal.
OK - understood and thanks! :smiley: I rather like all three - the Roamer, the Bobber...AND the Stornello, frankly.. :thumb: :cool: They all look much better in person than in photos, IMHO...and I am sure they are all fun to ride...anywhere! :cool: :thumb:
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I'd probably happily own any of them.
Oh, I meant to say before you must be using Tapatalk or have signatures turned off. That's where Jay has his current list of a dozen or so bikes that he has registered lol.
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I'd probably happily own any of them.
Oh, I meant to say before you must be using Tapatalk or have signatures turned off. That's where Jay has his current list of a dozen or so bikes that he has registered lol.
Sorry, I don't know what "Tapatalk" is...and I believe I can see the signatures...see below :thumb: :cool:
(http://thumb.ibb.co/j0c55a/Screen_Shot_2017_03_28_at_4_33_42_PM.png) (http://ibb.co/j0c55a)
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Ha ha Tapatalk is an app for accessing forums like this.
I'm using it now and can't see Jay's extensive list of bikes.
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A nice roadster. Moving the pegs back nearly 4 inches make the ergos much better. I like the red one...
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I think the "Needs more power" thing is just a gearhead pleasantry, like asking "How are you today?". When someone says "How are you?" they don't really mean that you need to tell them your condition of bodily health.
Similarly, when someone is referring to a V9, or a KTM 1290 with 170 HP, or a Ducati or BMW with 190 HP, or a turbo Hayabusa with 300 HP, and they say "Needs 10 or 15 more horsepower", it's just a sort of way of acknowledging the post. Just my opinion, having seen A LOT OF THAT over the years ... ! :azn:
Lannis
Yes, I made the power comment as pleasantry and opinion as if I was going to buy one....I might also comment it's too heavy if the weight is over 450 pounds.......If the same bike was a Harley, there would lots of comments about the lack of power form a relatively large engine :laugh:
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Yes, I made the power comment as pleasantry and opinion as if I was going to buy one....I might also comment it's too heavy if the weight is over 450 pounds....
So to be clear there are no Guzzis that you would ride.
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So to be clear there are no Guzzis that you would ride.
I think PU trucks are heavy but I own one... :wink: Just a comment....
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I think PU trucks are heavy but I own one... :wink: Just a comment....
So it's more a lament.
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So it's more a lament.
I have a limited vocabulary and had to look " Lament" , a passionate expression of grief or sorrow. Hmm, ...But my PU truck is lightest full size truck, standard cab Silverado 4.8 5 speed 2wd, 4160 pounds... :thumb:
I prefer lighter weight bikes with more HP....Doesn't mean a 500 pound bike is bad, just heavier............
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:popcorn:
Red Roamer, Red Roamer, send ASCHEM on over!
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I think the "Needs more power" thing is just a gearhead pleasantry, like asking "How are you today?". When someone says "How are you?" they don't really mean that you need to tell them your condition of bodily health.
Similarly, when someone is referring to a V9, or a KTM 1290 with 170 HP, or a Ducati or BMW with 190 HP, or a turbo Hayabusa with 300 HP, and they say "Needs 10 or 15 more horsepower", it's just a sort of way of acknowledging the post. Just my opinion, having seen A LOT OF THAT over the years ... ! :azn:
Lannis
Triumph faced that same problem with their new water cooled bikes, when they focused on torque and not hp. But the truth is that for most street riding you frequently use way more torque than peak hp. Hence Americans fascination with V-things, they tend to feel more torquey.
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Triumph faced that same problem with their new water cooled bikes, when they focused on torque and not hp. But the truth is that for most street riding you frequently use way more torque than peak hp. Hence Americans fascination with V-things, they tend to feel more torquey.
Old American Hot-Rodders motto: "There is no substitute for horsepower..." :laugh: :grin: :sad: :thumb: :cool:
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Old American Hot-Rodders motto: "There is no substitute for horsepower..." :laugh: :grin: :sad: :thumb: :cool:
They only said that because it's more sexy to say horsepower than torque. :cool:
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Old American Hot-Rodders motto: "There is no substitute for horsepower..." :laugh: :grin: :sad: :thumb: :cool:
I thought it was "there's no replacement for displacement" but this board already had that fight last week.
Oh, now that I'm on a desktop:
Sorry, I don't know what "Tapatalk" is...and I believe I can see the signatures...see below :thumb: :cool:
Here's Jay's signature:
2014 V7 Special, 2013 V7 Racer
1974 Eldorado :grin:
2013 Ducati Monster 796, 1966 Ducati Monza 250
2007 Vespa GTS250ie (wife's)
2013 BMW F800GT, 1980/78 R100S, 1973 R75/5
2015 Yamaha WR250R
1976 Honda CB400F, 1967 305 Super Hawk, 1968 CL175
Emphasis mine - I can see how those would be missed in that mess.
What I don't know is why he insists on labeling the Vespa "his wife's" since hes had a 2 years or something and she doesn't have a license and I don't believe has ever ridden it, unless he started to try and teach her?
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They only said that because it's more sexy to say horsepower than torque. :cool:
Probably true.
My observations and experience tell me, however, that outside of a VERY few highly skilled people, that the RESULT of all this horsepower and torque (which is to make the motorcycle go fast) is used only to make more noise, and engender more bragging rights. That's what people are really buying, although they'll never admit it.
Most people cannot ride a 50 HP motorcycle to it's full potential on the street, and most could not ride it to its full potential on a track. A top-level road racer could probably whip 90% of even the WG crowd on a track, riding a 50 HP bike and them on a 100 HP bike.
By the time you're talking 140 HP bikes, it's even more useless. Almost no one can take full advantage of that on the street, and fewer on the track.
It's really all about bragging rights and bench racing. That's fun and maybe worth paying for if that's your thing, but when it comes to tracks and timing slips, horsepower and torque are seldom the discriminators among anyone WE might meet. And on the street, it's all about how much risk are you willing to take, not how "fast" you can go relative to the other guy ....
Lannis
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If MG doesn't put the 850cc motor in a V7 looking bike, I might just watch the salvage auctions for a wrecked V9 from which to translate in the motor into my V7R.
I suspect they will, they almo have with the v7iii. I'm interested to hear how the new hemi 750 makes power compared to the very old school heron head.
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The improvements are nice. The added visual weight of the new seats are a big plus. I agree that seeing these machines in the flesh makes a real difference. Never thought i'd say it. The tank is cool looking and unique. I'm a bit disappointed with the heads- they seem plain. It would seem to me that they should command a bit more attention.
I would think that the new head/crown design will allow for reasonable improvements from new exhausts. The heron head was limiting in terms of flow.
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Most people cannot ride a 50 HP motorcycle to it's full potential on the street, and most could not ride it to its full potential on a track. A top-level road racer could probably whip 90% of even the WG crowd on a track, riding a 50 HP bike and them on a 100 HP bike.
Lannis
There was an old Brit bike dealer here who use to say that Dick Mann could beat most people at motocross on a pogo stick... he was probably right.
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Sent email to Piaggio USA; no reply as of today, but I hope to get a reply later this week.
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"Smoother...is always faster" - - from Keith Code's Superbike School...
On another subject, the V9 Bobber is actually cool, (IMHO), big fat front tire and all...and they do look much better in person! :thumb: :cool:
(http://thumb.ibb.co/duYCJv/moto_guzzi_V9_bobber.jpg) (http://ibb.co/duYCJv)
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Regarding levels of skill: When I was at SKI Magazine our art director was Chuck Queener, previously of Road & Track and a past president of the Ferrari Club of America. He had done some SCCA racing but never bragged about anything. I had been through the Jim Russell School in Formula Fords and thought I knew how to find the apex of a turn.
One night we went out to a kart track in Las Vegas -- one of those deals where you pay $5 for 20 laps in something with a Briggs & Stratton engine. I thought my kart had a little more poop because I won the spring to the first corner. Then Chuck passed me on the outside in turn 2 and the next time I saw him was when he lapped me, after about six circuits. And again after 12 circuits. And again after 18 circuits.
Each time he passed he giggled a bit and wiggled two fingers.
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Probably true.
My observations and experience tell me, however, that outside of a VERY few highly skilled people, that the RESULT of all this horsepower and torque (which is to make the motorcycle go fast) is used only to make more noise, and engender more bragging rights. That's what people are really buying, although they'll never admit it.
Most people cannot ride a 50 HP motorcycle to it's full potential on the street, and most could not ride it to its full potential on a track. A top-level road racer could probably whip 90% of even the WG crowd on a track, riding a 50 HP bike and them on a 100 HP bike.
By the time you're talking 140 HP bikes, it's even more useless. Almost no one can take full advantage of that on the street, and fewer on the track.
It's really all about bragging rights and bench racing. That's fun and maybe worth paying for if that's your thing, but when it comes to tracks and timing slips, horsepower and torque are seldom the discriminators among anyone WE might meet. And on the street, it's all about how much risk are you willing to take, not how "fast" you can go relative to the other guy ....
Lannis
Hmmm, riding with my friend Petrus Rocks ,as he's know here, on the rural back roads we're often using about 70 percent of the throttle on bikes like a Buell and 900 Ducati....and sometimes full throttle in third and fourth up to about 80 MPH...Sporting. I for sure am not more than an average rider...It's less demanding on the road to use 40 HP of an 80 HP engine than use 40 HP of a 40 HP engine winding the piss out it and hunched over the tank......I find it thrilling... and dangerous I suppose, to twist the grip to the stop and hang on...I know there's others here who like the feel of acceleration...like it alot....
No ones needs 100 hp bike or 500 HP car....But sometimes life to to F ing short not to need it... :evil:
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I'll keep riding my Buells (Stt and XT) until I find a new Roamer and then I'll take a road trip to a MG dealer and check em out.
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Yes! You can feel the difference .....
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Penderic004/horsepower_zps4hotabfg.jpg)
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I haven't followed the thread so sorry if I cross over someone. I'd love to see a V7 scaled up physically enough to swallow a V9 donk, twin front discs (don't care if it needs them or not), polish the black rims and engine drive train to bare aluminium, one of those SS 900 Ducati look alike fairings that you can get for them and piss the number plates off. Also bring the displacement in the region of 850 cc and call it the V8, I don't reckon they could make enough of them. I think I'd sell the Mk 2 and get one.
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Or....just keep the V7R and buy a Griso...or one of these classic roadsters!! (90+HP, fuel-injected, 992cc, 4-valve-OHC) :thumb: :cool: :1: NOTE: No issue with "not enough horsepower" or torque with this beast! (LOL)
(http://thumb.ibb.co/m1Z4WF/Right_side_2.jpg) (http://ibb.co/m1Z4WF)
I've got the Monster 796, which has plenty of torque and HP.
The R-Nine-T keeps calling out to me too, esp. the new Racer version:
(http://www.cycleworld.com/sites/cycleworld.com/files/styles/large_1x_/public/images/2016/10/p90232657-highres.jpg?itok=kXTRo6gM)
A local riding buddy just got one. He's coming over this afternoon to swap the all season tires back on my car (winter tires on it now) for me, since I've got a 10# lifting restriction after my surgery.
I'm thinking I'll get to see his new bike in person.
I know there are those here who think the boxer has no character, but, I've ridden the regular R-Nine-T, and think it has plenty of character. I don't know if that bike had aftermarket exhaust or not. I suspect it might have had an Akropovic.
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JJ, fwiw some who have ridden both have suggested the difference between the V7 and V9 is more than specs suggest.
As for Jay and a Griso, I suspect his Duc and F800 give him anything he wants in terms of power with less weight and his V7's give him the Guzzi character.
That is a correct statement. The Duc and F800 are definitely at the sweet spot for me as far as weight and power. I also very much enjoy the Guzzi character of both my V7's, and look forward to enjoying the character of the Eldorado, even thought it is a bit heavier than the rest of my stable.
I'd maybe enjoy my V7R a little more with a little more torque, but, truth be known, it likely wouldn't be worth the work.
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I've got the Monster 796, which has plenty of torque and HP.
The R-Nine-T keeps calling out to me too, esp. the new Racer version:
(http://www.cycleworld.com/sites/cycleworld.com/files/styles/large_1x_/public/images/2016/10/p90232657-highres.jpg?itok=kXTRo6gM)
A local riding buddy just got one. He's coming over this afternoon to swap the all season tires back on my car (winter tires on it now) for me, since I've got a 10# lifting restriction after my surgery.
I'm thinking I'll get to see his new bike in person.
I know there are those here who think the boxer has no character, but, I've ridden the regular R-Nine-T, and think it has plenty of character. I don't know if that bike had aftermarket exhaust or not. I suspect it might have had an Akropovic.
No question about the Nine-T...and some say it is BMW's answer to the Griso. I have owned and ridden 4 air head / oil head Beemers and have no issues with them at all. Good bikes, overall.
Here is a vintage one that I had fun with a few years ago...1978 R100RS "Motorsport Edition"....with >$10K performance upgrades from CC Products in San Jose, CA....another classic! :thumb: :cool:
(http://thumb.ibb.co/cypJrF/1978_BMW_R100_RS_020.jpg) (http://ibb.co/cypJrF)
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I just saw that MG USA now has $1,000.00 rebate on Roamers and Bobbers. Sure wish the new model was here right now!
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ooooohhh...MG now selling Lifestyle.
Do they really want you guys as a model?
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Just received an email from Piaggio USA and they said "The New Revised Roamer should be orderable now from your local Moto Guzzi dealer." I wonder if the dealers know this?
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I've got the Monster 796, which has plenty of torque and HP.
The R-Nine-T keeps calling out to me too, esp. the new Racer version:
(http://www.cycleworld.com/sites/cycleworld.com/files/styles/large_1x_/public/images/2016/10/p90232657-highres.jpg?itok=kXTRo6gM)
A local riding buddy just got one. He's coming over this afternoon to swap the all season tires back on my car (winter tires on it now) for me, since I've got a 10# lifting restriction after my surgery.
I'm thinking I'll get to see his new bike in person.
I know there are those here who think the boxer has no character, but, I've ridden the regular R-Nine-T, and think it has plenty of character. I don't know if that bike had aftermarket exhaust or not. I suspect it might have had an Akropovic.
hmmm, where I've seen that before? Those beemer guys are so cutting edge....but, but, but
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/jasonwtucker/SAqHQp7QhfI/AAAAAAAABTI/R2uFzbggTWc/s800/P4190008.JPG)
I suppose a weak imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
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hmmm, where I've seen that before? Those beemer guys are so cutting edge....but, but, but
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/jasonwtucker/SAqHQp7QhfI/AAAAAAAABTI/R2uFzbggTWc/s800/P4190008.JPG)
I suppose a weak imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
And I thought this was a thread about "Roamers on the MG Website"?
There's NOTHING in this quoted post about a Roamer or the MG Website. It's a BMW and a Guzzi sport bike, from what I can see.
No, no, I can't go any further. I can't take the 2-foot stick up my jacksie that you have to have installed to be an official Wild Guzzi Thread Content Policeman. I'll have to leave it to others .... :bow:
Lannis
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Lol [emoji13]
In Melbourne with no Guzzi dealers nearby so my boy and I walked town to a HD dealership. Full of the usual scrap iron but I saw a couple of 500cc models there. Why would they bother making such a small bike ? No idea what the specs are.
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Lol [emoji13]
In Melbourne with no Guzzi dealers nearby so my boy and I walked town to a HD dealership. Full of the usual scrap iron but I saw a couple of 500cc models there. Why would they bother making such a small bike ? No idea what the specs are.
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Asia, India, Brazil, any country with tiered licensing, petite customers, and North American rider training and intro product markets.
And see:
https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/why-some-riders-are-downsizing-to-smaller-motorcycles
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Asia, India, Brazil, any country with tiered licensing, petite customers, and North American rider training and intro product markets.
And see:
https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/why-some-riders-are-downsizing-to-smaller-motorcycles
In my case, older men who have done all the 120 MPH bragging and strutting that they're going to do in their lives, who don't see the point in holding up an extra 300 pounds at every stop, and who remember accurately the days when they used to ride everywhere that they ride now, but on a 350cc motorcycle ....
Lannis
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In my case, older men who have done all the 120 MPH bragging and strutting that they're going to do in their lives, who don't see the point in holding up an extra 300 pounds at every stop, and who remember accurately the days when they used to ride everywhere that they ride now, but on a 350cc motorcycle ....
Lannis
Yeh I get that, just seems such a huge gap between this and the normal HD range. Maybe they will plug it with a 750 or similar soon.
I love my old Cali but would have a V7 too if I could sneak it by the financial controller.
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Yeh I get that, just seems such a huge gap between this and the normal HD range. Maybe they will plug it with a 750 or similar soon.
I love my old Cali but would have a V7 too if I could sneak it by the financial controller.
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It comes in two different 750 versions, one in a Sporty chassis and more power, but I believe the base 750 has a dyno that is pretty similar to a Duc 696.
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It comes in two different 750 versions, one in a Sporty chassis and more power, but I believe the base 750 has a dyno that is pretty similar to a Duc 696.
Ok that makes sense , didn't spot any of those there.
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Ok that makes sense , didn't spot any of those there.
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Here's the Cycle World comparison of the base 750 and a 696.
I haven't seen a dyno on the new sport version but it's supposed to be a jump in power over the base so it's promising to be a fun bike.
https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/harley-davidson-street-rod-first-look
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Thanks. Ever since I sold my CALVIN to NCDAN, I have been itching to get another MG under 500lbs. I like the new, revised Roamer. I will have to travel quite far to buy one as closest dealer is in Reno or do a fly and ride this summer.
There you go buddy, buy you one of those bad boys and keep it as nice as the Calvin was and I may just buy it to:). I think they are beautiful bikes! And the 850 with all of that toque is plenty big enough.