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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: xaman on March 28, 2017, 04:00:09 PM
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Hi all,
I'm in the market for a V7, and I'm seeing a lot of racers for sale. Aesthetically I love them, but don't want the rear sets and need passenger accommodations. I'm wondering what it would take to convert a racer to a two-up standard? Has anyone done this, and able to give a cost analysis. Wondering if it's better to buy a racer and convert it, or buy a special and do the aesthetic upgrades?
Thanks in advance for any insight :)
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You can fit passenger pegs to a racer, and the rearsets are hardly extreme, to me they are a much more natural position than the stock footrests. I was looking to buy a Classic and fit rearsets to it, but in the end a Racer II came up at a good price so got that.
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I understand the attraction, especially with the red frame.
The one that Peraz is selling would be a PRIME candidate.
You could probably use the OEM parts info on Harper's website to figure out the bits.
I assume the controls and mounts, plus something on the front end/bars.
But maybe would want to trade out their stuff from a Stone/Special. Or you could buy some parts (controls) and modify others (risers).
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If you do end up purchasing the racer, hit me up! I'm planning on doing the exact opposite!
But to reiterate what everyone else has touched upon already, besides a new seat and passenger pegs, there really isn't much else you have to add to get the two-up, granted you're comfortable with the ride position of the racer. If you want to change the ride position as well, you'll have to swap out the clip-ons and rear sets.
https://www.af1racing.com/store/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=45594
I have a regular stone seat and a lower gel seat if you're interested.
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The 2014 Special I bought in 2015 had almost everything done to it that I might have wanted. The list was extensive & complete. I have estimated that the previous owner could have spent more than $5,000 on a bike that retailed at the time at $14,500. The racer was listed at that time at around $16,000-$17,000. These are Australian prices so not strictly comparable, but you get the idea.
If you are sure that you want standard footpegs & handlebars, it would be easier & possibly cheaper to start with the Specual or Stone & spend the extra on mufflers. & suspension.
If you start with a Racer, you get a pretty frame (with a shinny swingarm that doesn't collect as much road grime), and as a lot of the racer parts are both expensive & hard to come by, you are likely to show some excess after swapping out the parts, though not enough to fund either the exhaust or suspension upgrades. Another advantage is that you would really get to know your bike better faster.
So, you'll have seat, rider footpegs, pillion footpegs & hangers, handlebars & risers in place of the clips ons, possibly throttle & clutch cables to suit. If you prefer the lower-slung mufflers, then they will need changing as well (a different pillion footrest hanger again). You would be easily able to find takers for the rear sets, the clip ons & the top yoke hardware, the cables & the muffler hangers. The fancy bodywork bits, if the Racer you get comes with any, may be harder to shift. There doesn't seem to be much of a market either for the OEM mufflers.
Do the sums, check the availability or otherwise of the parts involved, factor in the the value to you of the effort involved & its pleasure factor. Make the decision & start the adventure - have fun.
Mal
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Wow, thanks for all the helpful replies.
Perez's bike, or one like it, is what started this line of thinking. His especially, with the tubeless wheels, red frame and black tank, is already "mostly" what I'm dreaming of, minus the riding position. I'd want standard pegs and bars, likely risers for the bars.
2up is infrequent, but mandatory, for mostly shortish jaunts. But solo riding will be much longer rides. I'm "leggy" with old man knees, and find standing on the pegs occasionally helps stretch the legs and keep blood flowing. So rearsets and clip ones just won't work. I like wide bars also, so I'm guessing the cables will need changing.
Flea, if I get a racer I'll definitely be in touch abuut some trading :thumb:
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Buy it and trade bikes. Less labor.
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Buy it and trade bikes. Less labor.
Yes dismantling the other bike to powdercoat the frame red will be much less work than switching foot and hand controls.
</sarcasm>
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Hi all,
I'm in the market for a V7, and I'm seeing a lot of racers for sale. Aesthetically I love them, but don't want the rear sets and need passenger accommodations. I'm wondering what it would take to convert a racer to a two-up standard? Has anyone done this, and able to give a cost analysis. Wondering if it's better to buy a racer and convert it, or buy a special and do the aesthetic upgrades?
Thanks in advance for any insight :)
Have you ridden a racer? You may not need to move the pegs. The racers' rearsets are far from radical. They're practically standard.
Here's my advice:
1) Buy a racer, if that's what you want. Ride it a little bit. If you need to raise the bars, but the OEM Guzzi parts to make the conversion: Risers, Bars, cables/hose.
2) Buy a 2-up seat and passenger footpegs, if you need to travel 2-up. There are bolt-on factory parts for this.
3) If after riding the bike, you determine you want Stone/Special foot controls, trade for or buy factory parts to make the conversion.
4) Don't over think it.
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I couldn't agree more :thumb:
I sent you a PM :laugh:
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If you do end up purchasing the racer, hit me up! I'm planning on doing the exact opposite!
I have a regular stone seat and a lower gel seat if you're interested.
I'm finding my feet more forward than I want on the Stone. Did you ever go through doing the conversion? What parts and how difficult was the transfer?
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Have you ridden a racer? You may not need to move the pegs. The racers' rearsets are far from radical. They're practically standard.
And, if you don't like the the rear sets, it wouldn't be that big a deal to change to the stone/special parts.
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I'm with Rocker59 & Perazzimx14.
I've a 2017 Racer III. Was after the Ohlins shocks, added an adjustable frt. end and Stone wheels, Verde Legnano bars.
The stock Racer seat is not supposed to carry a pillion passenger (as/decal). I think all the 2 up seats will exchange for the Racer seat. The few Racers I've seen carry passenger foot pegs. (foolish considering the 'decal' and single seat). The pegs are way too high to be an alternate for the rider to use. I replaced my passenger folding pegs with homemade escutcheons. Good fortune, R3~
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I'm with Rocker59 & Perazzimx14.
+1 more on their comments.
Try it first and see how you feel with the rearset...
I have a 15 stone, and funny thing is I actually prefer the rear set position of my friend's racer.
I don't have long legs by any mean but I find they are more properly positioned comparing to the stone for me.
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I did it with great success in all aspects.
Take l look here...http://www.guzziclubforum.nu/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=4945&start=15 (http://www.guzziclubforum.nu/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=4945&start=15)
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I did it with great success in all aspects.
Take l look here...http://www.guzziclubforum.nu/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=4945&start=15 (http://www.guzziclubforum.nu/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=4945&start=15)
Good thing a picture is worth a thousand words. :grin:
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Good thing a picture is worth a thousand words. :grin:
Ok here som pics from today.
(http://i63.tinypic.com/fwt6h4.jpg)
(http://i66.tinypic.com/25660ww.jpg)
(http://i67.tinypic.com/fw3wqs.jpg)
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Ok here som pics from today.
(http://i63.tinypic.com/fwt6h4.jpg)
(http://i66.tinypic.com/25660ww.jpg)
(http://i67.tinypic.com/fw3wqs.jpg)
Nice.
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I'll second the previous commenters who suggest that the Racer's rearsets aren't set particularly high or to the rear. The Racer rearsets are pretty close to the position of my old Honda 599 - generally regarded as fairly standard in terms of riding position. If there's one thing I'd like to change on my V7 III Stone it would be to move the pegs back several inches and up an inch. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like anyone will ever make rearsets for the V7 III non-racer models - I assume that this is because you'd also need to acquire and mount a new rear brake master cylinder and a remote reservoir. Baak makes a sort of odd looking rearset adapter plate for the V9 that moves the pegs back a couple of inches but offers nothing similar for the V7 III.
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(http://i67.tinypic.com/fw3wqs.jpg)
Tell us about your fork upgrade!
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A couple options you can do to make traditional damper rod forks better is add either Ricor intiminators or Gold Valves, spring them for you weight and add in the right weigh fork oil and head space oil for you riding style.
Either are an improvement over stock.
I have one of each setup's in my DR650's and am pleased.
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Bollbert's has external adjustment. Some of the options available for the V7 forks require disassembly to adjust damping.
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Bollbert's has external adjustment. Some of the options available for the V7 forks require disassembly to adjust damping.
I assume external preload adjustment? Nice feature but not totally necessary I' was also too cheap to buy $200 adjustable fork caps for the DR's. Instead I cut spacers out of 1" PVC pipe 1-1/2" long then shimmed them with thin washer. Once I got the preload where I wanted I measured the stack and cut new spacers and done. It was about a 30 minute project.