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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Carlo DeSantis on April 09, 2017, 11:10:35 AM
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Hey all you Tonti guys:
I really need to replace the tires on my '75 T3. It rolls on the stock Borranis and is still an 850.
I've been using Metzlers, but rather than slap on another set of same, I thought I'd ask for everyone's thoughts about the best replacement.
I use this bike for local rides only. No touring on this one.
So, what do you suggest -- and why?
Thanks in advance for any insight.
Best,
Carlo
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Shinko 712's. Used them on my Eldo, 850T and T3.
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Shinko 712's. Used them on my Eldo, 850T and T3.
:thumb: Or BT45's
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I also would go for the Shinko 712. I have them F&R on both my Jackal and calvin. 100/90 on the front of both and 130/90 rear on the Jackal and 140/80 for the calvin. They ride and handle good and the price is right. I just replaced both on the Jackal about 1K mikes ago and it took no weight to balance the rear and not much for the front. Check your rim first without the tire to find the true heavy spot. You will need a bit narrower on the rear for a T3, like a 110/90.
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On my third set of Shinko 712. Rears safely go 6000 and fronts 10000. Am running a shinko 230 of a size 110/90 front now because I am the weirdo in the bunch that likes bus like handling.
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Avon Roadriders. Handle well. Great in the rain. Last a little longer than BT 45's. I use them on my t3, Eldo and LM3. About 6000 on the rear and 9000 on the front. I ride terrible roads. Most of the highways are chip sealed and my county road is three and a half miles of gravel. They do ok on the gravel, too.
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Sport Demons. :smiley:
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Bridgestone spitfires are a good choice, they stick well and last longer than a BT45, I just don't run much other than Bridgestone since they always make me happy and others haven't
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I ran Sport Demons on my Mille, but they wore quickly. Handling was excellent for the first half of the front tread life, and then it got twitchy and wanted to fall into turns. I know all front tires degrade handling as they wear, but this seemed worse than usual.
I ran Bridgestone S11 tires on it (Spitfires), and have no complaints.
I've run Avon Roadriders on another motorcycle and love the excellent traction and very reasonable life and wouldn't hesitate to try them on the Mille.
I currently have a pair of Bridgestone BT45s ready to go on it. I got them on sale, and thought it would be interesting to compare them to the S11s. I expect slightly better performance and slightly less tread life.
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Avon Roadriders. Handle well. Great in the rain. Last a little longer than BT 45's. I use them on my t3, Eldo and LM3. About 6000 on the rear and 9000 on the front. I ride terrible roads. Most of the highways are chip sealed and my county road is three and a half miles of gravel. They do ok on the gravel, too.
I put these Avon on every bike I can.
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From siabeib:
Avon Roadriders. Handle well. Great in the rain. Last a little longer than BT 45's. I use them on my t3, Eldo and LM3. About 6000 on the rear and 9000 on the front. I ride terrible roads. Most of the highways are chip sealed and my county road is three and a half miles of gravel. They do ok on the gravel, too.
I have no problem what so ever with either Avon Roadrunners or Roadriders concerning handling and general road worthiness on my T-3 but I have never been able to get more than 3,500 miles out of a rear but fronts will go 8-9K. Trying Shinko this time around.
GliderJohn
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I have been happy with Avon Roadriders, but my next set will likely be the ContiClassicAttack radial tires by Continental. Made for vintage bikes, they come in 90/90 R 18 front and and 110/90 R 18 rear, just right for a T3. At $150 per tire, they're not cheap.
Moto
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Very interesting, Moto.
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I have been happy with Avon Roadriders, but my next set will likely be the ContiClassicAttack radial tires by Continental. Made for vintage bikes, they come in 90/90 R 18 front and and 110/90 R 18 rear, just right for a T3. At $150 per tire, they're not cheap.
Moto
That's the best thing about the Avons, you can catch them on sale for $80-90ea.
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I have been happy with Avon Roadriders, but my next set will likely be the ContiClassicAttack radial tires by Continental. Made for vintage bikes, they come in 90/90 R 18 front and and 110/90 R 18 rear, just right for a T3. At $150 per tire, they're not cheap.
Moto
Classic Attacks rock.. :thumb: I got em from AMT, $125 and $129. No, not cheap.
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I put Shinko 230 Tour Masters on my Convert in 100/90-18 front and 120/90-18 rear sizes. I've been using them on my Ambos with excellent results - 9k miles on the rear and 11k miles with some life left on the front. Excellent traction wet or dry. Very little or no weight needed to balance usually. Best part? $126.75 a pair including shipping!
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Sport Demons. :smiley:
Classic Attacks rock.. :thumb: I got em from AMT, $125 and $129. No, not cheap.
OK, Chuck -- So which do you recommend? I was not surprised by the Sport Demon records. And what is AMT? I don't think I"m familiar with them.
Thanks for the input!
I put Shinko 230 Tour Masters on my Convert in 100/90-18 front and 120/90-18 rear sizes. I've been using them on my Ambos with excellent results - 9k miles on the rear and 11k miles with some life left on the front. Excellent traction wet or dry. Very little or no weight needed to balance usually. Best part? $126.75 a pair including shipping!
I have no experience with Shinko, but your record makes me want to look into them. May I ask where you bought them for that price? Outstanding value, eh?
Thanks, Charlie!
Best,
Carlo
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Thanks, guys, for the input. I really appreciate the help.
Best,
Carlo
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OK, Chuck -- So which do you recommend? I was not surprised by the Sport Demon records. And what is AMT? I don't think I"m familiar with them.
Thanks for the input!
I have no experience with Shinko, but your record makes me want to look into them. May I ask where you bought them for that price? Outstanding value, eh?
Thanks, Charlie!
Best,
Carlo
AMT = American Motorcycle Tire http://www.americanmototire.com/
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AMT = American Motorcycle Tire http://www.americanmototire.com/
Thanks, Charlie!
Best,
Carlo
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Pirelli sport demons are common on that bike. That's what I run. They have good handling but aren't exceptionally long-lived.
The narrow size of the rear tire means your options are kind of limited.
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I got my shinkos at Dennis Kirk with new IRC tubes for $134 shipped. Yours would be about $10-15 cheaper because of the smaller rear size. It was the best deal with new tubes that I could find. Just search online as there are about 4 or 5 places that stock and ship reasonably for shinko.
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I have Shinko Podiiums on the MZ that is now out in SoCal. I thought they were fine when I had it in Indiana, but not so much out there. I just don't feel confident in the really twisty stuff with them. Of course, that doesn't mean squat in Illinois or Indiana.. :smiley:
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I have Shinko Podiiums on the MZ that is now out in SoCal. I thought they were fine when I had it in Indiana, but not so much out there. I just don't feel confident in the really twisty stuff with them. Of course, that doesn't mean squat in Illinois or Indiana.. :smiley:
Just curious, did the shinkos display some bad behavior on the roads in SoCal or is it a psychological issue with having inexpensive tires and the lack of sport bike tire hype?
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Just curious, did the shinkos display some bad behavior on the roads in SoCal or is it a psychological issue with having inexpensive tires and the lack of sport bike tire hype?
I've had both of them sliding. I really don't care for that feeling..
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I have Shinko Podiiums on the MZ that is now out in SoCal. I thought they were fine when I had it in Indiana, but not so much out there. I just don't feel confident in the really twisty stuff with them. Of course, that doesn't mean squat in Illinois or Indiana.. :smiley:
Chuck,
How would your rate the Conti Classic Attack vs the Sport Demons, since you apparently have experience with both?
Thanks!
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I put these Avon on every bike I can.
:1: on the Roadriders. They made my T handle like a dream
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Roadriders are almost like track tires the way they stick. My first experience with them was on my Yamaha DT100.
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Chuck,
How would your rate the Conti Classic Attack vs the Sport Demons, since you apparently have experience with both?
Thanks!
Carlo.. I don't know. I haven't ran the Classic Attacks long enough to see how they wear. They stick as well, though..I can say that. The Kid has Classic Attacks on his 96 Spot and loves them. No chicken strips. He hasn't had them long enough to wear them out either. I had trail Attacks on Darth Quota, and really liked them, but Darth found a new keeper before I wore them out. I have them on the Monza now, but only have less than 1000 miles on them. They are *very* good, but how long will they last? Dunno. Sharing miles between 3 bikes means none get very many miles per year.
I *do* know that Sport Demons stick like glue, and give around 4-6K miles wear. YMMV of course.
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Onto the 3rd set of Pirelli Sport Demons on my SP, I reckon they are great. Cool name too!
A mate of mine works at a tyre store and is wealth on info and he backs it up with 350,000km on his Laverda RGS - onto his 75 or 76th rear tyre! He rates the Michelin Pilot Activ but if you are after performance and not concerned about wear, Conti Attack are the go.
I have spoken to a a number of people who have tried Pilot Activ from Sport Demons, happy with them and get extra distance.
Cheers
Jason
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Bridgestone spitfires are a good choice, they stick well and last longer than a BT45, I just don't run much other than Bridgestone since they always make me happy and others haven't
Totally agree. Rocky Mountain ATV always a good place to buy these.
JB
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Totally agree. Rocky Mountain ATV always a good place to buy these.
JB
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Thanks again, everyone, for the replies.
Bottom line seems to be that there are a bunch of good choices out there.
Best,
Carlo
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I also would go for the Shinko 712. I have them F&R on both my Jackal and calvin. 100/90 on the front of both and 130/90 rear on the Jackal and 140/80 for the calvin. They ride and handle good and the price is right. I just replaced both on the Jackal about 1K mikes ago and it took no weight to balance the rear and not much for the front. Check your rim first without the tire to find the true heavy spot. You will need a bit narrower on the rear for a T3, like a 110/90.
Shinko offers a set pack with the 150-70-17 but not the 140- 80 or 140-70, is there enough difference in the three mentioned to make a difference on the Calvin as I'm about ready for a new rear and in this dilemma not. Thanks ant
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I'm reviving this old thread because the last step in my restoration is new tires. Most of the tires mentioned in this thread are tube type. The old tires on the bike now are Metzeler tube type. Doesn't the factory specs require tube tires on the Borrani's ? I now there have been posts and debates on converting spoke rims to tubeless but I just wanted to know if those that have posted in this thread are using Borrani spokes for these tubeless tires. Very poor selection I am finding out there for tube type tires.
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You have tube type rims. You need tubes regardless of if you are running tt or tl tires. Also, skinny tires handle better in the curves.
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I have a '75 T3 and have been running Shinkos with good results. Recently a friend talked me into trying Mitas tyres. They are, if I remember correctly, a Michelin recipe and pattern. The pattern is very much a classic one and is totally fitting with the age of the bike. Mitas have 2 factories, one in Slovenia and the other in the Czech Republic.
So far I am really impressed. The tyres were more expensive than the Shinkos by about NZ$20 each but are holding well and showing a small amount of wear after 4000km (2500miles).
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:1: for Bridgestone Spitfires. Cheap and perform more than well enough. I like Conti's when I'm looking for a premium tire. I'll try the classic attacks next time my ambo or 850T need tires.
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So, what do you suggest -- and why?
Thanks in advance for any insight.
Best,
Carlo
Sport Demons are the cat's meow.
But due to finances I ordered a Pirelli MT 66 Route today for the rear.
The Demon doesn't come in 120/90 which the 66 does. Hope it helps me get it on the center stand.
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You have tube type rims. You need tubes regardless of if you are running tt or tl tires. Also, skinny tires handle better in the curves.
Is this to say that the Borrani rims on the T and T-3 are not candidates for tubeless conversion - i.e. safety rib not present on these rims?
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Yes, the question really was are the tubeless tires mentioned compatible with Borrani rims. Whether a conversion by sealing the spokes or inserting a tube in a tubeless tire. As far as the latter, my research turned up that it is safe to use tubes in tubeless bias ply tires, but not radials (in fact Dunlop says this). I am going to therefore do the Dunlop recommendation.
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I have run the Spitfires and the BT-45's with tubes on my T since mid 90's. I've always had someone else mount them so I haven't noticed if there is a safety ridge present on the rims.
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I'd been running Bridgestone S11s until the price went up past my "comfort zone", so I then switched to Shinko 230s. The Shinkos are a fine tire, they remind me very much of one of my old favorites: the Continental Conti Blitz. Feel, traction and tread life are almost exactly the same as the Conti Blitz. Price is even about the same as the Blitz was 12 years ago. $135 a pair delivered makes them a very good deal IMO.
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I also used to run the S11s - probably 15 years, until the price doubled. I've been running the Shinko 712s the last couple years, except for the R100GS that runs Michelin Anakee III. Maybe I'll have to try the 230s.
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Avon Roadriders for me too on my SP1000. Wear is obviously depending on riding style and temperature,
I ride in relative cold conditions from 5c to 30c with average in 20-22c. I have so far got 7000km on a set, the front is good for another 5-7k I think and the rear perhaps 3000 more.
I run them one size bigger than stock, so 110/90 on front and 120/90 on back, mostly because I like the look of a bit wider tire better than the "bicycle tires" in stock dimensions. 120/90 clears the shaft drive with less than 5mm but I have not seen any touching marks
I was on a ride with a bunch of guys to a rallie yesterday, mostly Yamaha FJ1200 and a BMW and even a very nice ducati 898 and had no problems keeping up with them on the twisty roads.... I was riding second last i a row of 6 and in fact I need to slow down not hitting the guy in front of me a couple of times. I'm not a racer but clearly the tires were not the limiting factor.
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I also used to run the S11s - probably 15 years, until the price doubled. I've been running the Shinko 712s the last couple years, except for the R100GS that runs Michelin Anakee III. Maybe I'll have to try the 230s.
S11s have recently come back down in price, a pair is ~ $165 now. I run Shinko 712s on my Morini, but like a 120/90-18 on the rear of my Guzzis and the 712 isn't available in that size, the 230 is.