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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: JJ on June 22, 2017, 04:09:09 PM
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I have a big customer in Santa Clarita...and have driven a rental car on this same stretch of road!!
I hope no one was badly injured in the car wreck! :rolleyes: :shocked: :huh:
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Until a couple of months ago, I lived in Newhall. I have driven this stretch many times. Very little productive comes from anger in the moment.
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Hard to tell who the bigger moron is, the guy on the bike who has zero understanding of physics and has some anger issues or the idiot in the car.
Sadly the driver of the Avalanche who was in he wrong place at the wrong time suffered a serious roll over, hope there are no serious injuries.
It does not appear the guy on the motorcycle was going to stop.
I hope bit the driver of the car and the motorcycle loose their licence.
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Clearly the biggest idiot it is the one on two wheels. WTF is he doing kicking at the car, jeeezzzz. :violent1:
Paul
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We really need to see the 15 seconds of video before the incident . Looks like they were sharing the HOV lane , if the MC rider had simply sped up or slowed down , or the car driver had , the entire mess could have been avoided . Two asshats may have caused someone else serious injury .
Dusty
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Wonder if the motorcyclist even got caught by LEO's?
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Too bad people no longer understand the concept of "defensive driving." It's not about winning, it's about everyone getting home safe and sound.
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I hope they both get caught and arrested, and sent to jail. Then get sued by the driver of the white car.
Their lethal attitudes have no legitimate place on the road.
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Watched video several times. I can't see why the car went out of control like that. They need to put driver's Ed back in school. At least people should have to watch 'Highway 41' from the 50's. It actually had an effect on me. Saw a case of bad oversteer on Rt 95 just south of Dc. Last week. Ended the same.
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What is the collective noun for Assholes?
A 'Threat' of Assholes! Any number of Assholes greater than one can constitute a 'Threat.
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Clearly the biggest idiot it is the one on two wheels. WTF is he doing kicking at the car, jeeezzzz. :violent1:
Paul
Well, when I saw it, I looked at it this way.
1) The motorcyclist tried to put a dent in the door of the car. "Property Damage" .... might not reach the level of "Assault" or "Battery", depends on the law in that state.
2) Car driver tried to murder the bike rider as a result. Not sure what other conclusion you could reach as to what he thought the outcome would be.
Isn't this sort of like we get into a physical altercation in the street, I reach out and rip your shirt, and you as a result pull out a gun and fire it at me, but the bullet misses me, ricochets, and puts the shooter and a bystander in the hospital?
Yeah, both are in trouble, both are idiots for starting something stupid, but doesn't look to me as if the escalation was two-sided ....
Lannis
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Well, when I saw it, I looked at it this way.
1) The motorcyclist tried to put a dent in the door of the car. "Property Damage" .... might not reach the level of "Assault" or "Battery", depends on the law in that state.
2) Car driver tried to murder the bike rider as a result. Not sure what other conclusion you could reach as to what he thought the outcome would be.
Isn't this sort of like we get into a physical altercation in the street, I reach out and rip your shirt, and you as a result pull out a gun and fire it at me, but the bullet misses me, ricochets, and puts the shooter and a bystander in the hospital?
Yeah, both are in trouble, both are idiots for starting something stupid, but doesn't look to me as if the escalation was two-sided ....
Lannis
I saw the same thing.
There is a type of driver that gets really brave when inside of their cage, especially around smaller vehicles.
The car driver deserves serious jail time and a permanent loss of his/her drivers license.
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While there might be different levels of blame to assign to the driver and rider, driving (or riding in this case) away after obviously being a party to a major accident is a chickenshit thing to do.
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While there might be different levels of blame to assign to the driver and rider, driving away after obviously being a party to a major accident is a chickenshit thing to do.
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I have to agree with this . Did someone say the car had cut off the motorcycle a bit earlier ? The available video just shows the car and MC side by side in an HOV lane , which I am guessing is illegal, and certainly not smart . The aftermath is a couple of vehicles went for a bad ride .
Dusty
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We really need to see the 15 seconds of video before the incident .
Dusty
That was my thought too Dusty. There was obviously a 'prequel' to what we saw.
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As far as the biker goes, never bring a knife to a gun fight!
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Fair play to the bike it took the hit well. Looks like the luggage absorbed some of the blow. Lighter bike or less stable and he would have been off and into the central barrier.
Nice Barriers in the US as well ,not like the Armco or cheesewire they put up in UK and rest of Europe.
Kev
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Here's an article with a little more information and an interview with the truck driver. http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2017/06/22/motorcycle-kick-road-rage/
Chris Taber, the driver who shot the video, says moments before he grabbed his phone, the motorcyclist had also passed him between lanes.
Then, when the Nissan�s driver tried to get out of the carpool lane, he bumped the motorcycle. Traber doesn�t know if it was an accident or on purpose. That�s when the two men started yelling and the biker started kicking the Nissan driver�s door.
Meanwhile, the father of the Nissan driver told KCAL 9 off-camera that his son became scared when he said the biker flashed what looked like a knife at him.
Benavidez (the truck driver) also spoke to the 19-year-old following the crash.
�He came and saw to it that I was okay,� says Benavidez, �You know, he had a bottle of water. He gave me a bottle of water. He was kind of in shock himself. He apologized.�
The incident was reported as a hit-and-run to the California Highway Patrol, who is looking for that motorcyclist.
It doesn't really sound like the motorcyclist is the innocent victim here, but of course we'll need more info...
But there is no way the motorcyclist didn't see that truck flipped over, and what kind of person doesn't stop to help in that situation? It's also the law to stop when you're part of an accident. The young man in the car stayed (I suppose he couldn't drive away after that if he wanted to) to make sure people were ok... the motorcyclists ran off...
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The guy on the bike was wrong.
The person in the car probably did something worse leading up to that.
John Henry
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I don't know how fast they were going but if nothing else the bike rider showed great avoidance skills,...It's a Harley ?
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,...It's a Harley ?
I THINK so, but I can't say definitively (could be a Victory or other HD Clone).
What I can say is that it is: something thats has compromised dynamics all for a look (and therefore is not) is pretty good compared to almost everything else out there
So I'm guessing if it had been something without compromised dynamics he would have not crashed...wait, he didn't crash. Damn those dangerous compromised dynamic bikes.
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Pinball with a bike. I could almost hear the pings from the old machines.
But...
Ya can't fix stupid :rolleyes:
As an aside to this I see insanity almost every day on our roads. I frequently follow a motorgrader either in a pickup with flashing lights or in another grader. We are maxed out at 29 mph on a flat (although I can hit 34 on a steep downhill :grin:). Cars will get so close to us that they can't be seen in the rearview (presumably trying to "speed" us up somehow), pass on double yellow lines in blind curves either singly or sometimes in long convoys, pull out in front of us as if we're motionless and/or can stop on a dime and do almost any other stupid thing you can imagine.
Bottom line is that people feel invulnerable and protected in a vehicle, even on a motorcycle in this incident. They wouldn't be so aggressive if they were on foot and face to face with the next guy.
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More, what's seen in the video is the biker kick the car, then the car driver swerves to knock down the bike but loses control ,hits the wall bounces off and rebounds into the larger vehicle causing it to roll over...In my mind, the biker was a fool, the car driver then retaliates and HE directly causes the chain reaction wreck...Although both bike and car are at fault, the car driver had the option not to engage but did so causing a a worse situation...
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More, what's seen in the video is the biker kick the car, then the car driver swerves to knock down the bike but loses control ,hits the wall bounces off and rebounds into the larger vehicle causing it to roll over...In my mind, the biker was a fool, the car driver then retaliates and HE directly causes the chain reaction wreck...Although both bike and car are at fault, the car driver had the option not to engage but did so causing a a worse situation...
We don't know why the car driver swerved do we? Perhaps he was startled and distracted when he heard the thump of the kick or glanced in his rear view mirror and saw the biker at his rear fender. I know I would be.
I agree on the defensive riding made earlier. When you see a problem situation developing do all you can to avoid it so that you have a better chance to get home safely. Seems to me the bike made the wrong choice and choose to attach. Put his ass in jail and get him off the road before someone gets hurt or killed, do it now! :copcar:
Paul
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We don't know why the car driver swerved do we? Perhaps he was startled and distracted when he heard the thump of the kick or glanced in his rear view mirror and saw the biker at his rear fender. I know I would be.
I agree on the defensive riding made earlier. When you see a problem situation developing do all you can to avoid it so that you have a better chance to get home safely. Seems to me the bike made the wrong choice and choose to attach. Put his ass in jail and get him off the road before someone gets hurt or killed, do it now! :copcar:
Paul
I might agree with you if the reports weren't that the car had cut the biker off earlier, which in my mind means there are 2 possibilities here:
1. The car really didn't see him, was startled as you put it, but is dangerously incompetent.
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2. He was aware of the biker, chose to cut him off, and then chose to retaliate. And I'm leaning towards this because of the voracity of the swerve.
Look at it this way, I mean, we've all been startled and react, but if someone is SO STARTLED that they then swerve SO SEVERELY they lose control, they should not be on the road, I mean REALLY REALLY shouldn't be driving ever they are completely incapable of dealing with their environment. And I really doubt someone is THAT bad, that completely incapable of handling their car that a thump makes them completely lose control, resulting in a t-bone and roll of another vehicle.
No, I am as certain as one can possibly be without interviewing the suspects and witnesses that it was intentional or he had no business driving a car in the first place.
Yes, the biker still made a bad choice - but not NEARLY as bad as the person who chose to either get behind the wheel in that condition or swerve at him and try to kill him.
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Voracity ??
Dusty
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Voracity ??
Dusty
Yeah, I don't know when I started mis-using that word, but it's pure habit now.
I of course mean intensity, which one could argue that if the driver was looking to actually eat the biker the word would have been correct... I'll leave it there as a reminder that I need to break that habit of grammatical abuse.
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This was posted on FB the other day. One of the commenters claimed to know the guy in the rolled over vehicle and said he went to the hospital but was going to be okay.
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"...he said the biker flashed what looked like a knife at him."
Ok, I find this hard to believe.
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Yeah, I don't know when I started mis-using that word, but it's pure habit now.
I of course mean intensity, which one could argue that if the driver was looking to actually eat the biker the word would have been correct... I'll leave it there as a reminder that I need to break that habit of grammatical abuse.
I think the "v" word you are looking for is vehemence.
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Wow. Well, all of the above comments are spot on, but you have to admit it's not often a motorcyclist can chalk up two car "kill" decals on the fairing.
I'll bet the rider is sweating it now ....
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2. He was aware of the biker, chose to cut him off, and then chose to retaliate. And I'm leaning towards this because of the voracity of the swerve.
Yes, the biker still made a bad choice - but not NEARLY as bad as the person who chose to either get behind the wheel in that condition or swerve at him and try to kill him.
We are in agreement Kev....So it must be the truth :grin:
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Wow. Well, all of the above comments are spot on, but you have to admit it's not often a motorcyclist can chalk up two car "kill" decals on the fairing.
I'll bet the rider is sweating it now ....
Nah , I'll bet he is bragging about it to his buds . "Yeah man , like this little jerk in a Nissan tried to cut me off , man I just couldn't have that so I kicked his car man " "Next thing cages are goin everywhere dude , it was bitchin ."
Dusty
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I bet there is an orange HD for sale now.....at a very very inviting price lol
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Like everyone has said previously...people need to learn to just "chill out"...and this entire incident could have...and should have been totally avoided....
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Like everyone has said previously...people need to learn to just "chill out"...and this entire incident could have...and should have been totally avoided....
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There is no place for road rage if you are on a motorcycle. An encounter with a crazy cage driver is a common occurrence and dealing with it is just part of the deal.
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You're correct. I always think " if it's not worth following them to their destination and ensuring that they require an ambulance after they get out of the car, it's not worth getting upset about " :wink:
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More, what's seen in the video is the biker kick the car, then the car driver swerves to knock down the bike but loses control ,hits the wall bounces off and rebounds into the larger vehicle causing it to roll over...In my mind, the biker was a fool, the car driver then retaliates and HE directly causes the chain reaction wreck...Although both bike and car are at fault, the car driver had the option not to engage but did so causing a a worse situation...
yep
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Last week I was riding north with two friends passed through Walla Walla Idaho, went through a small town at 30 miles per hour, leaving Town two lanes heading up a fairly steep grade, the left hand lane is going to end a couple hundred yards ahead, in the left hand lane a F350 pulling an empty goose neck trailer, all three bikes move to the right and safely pass the truck / trailer going up hill and then well before the lane ends signal to the left lane.
Guy in the truck lays on the horn and just pounds on it. He follows us through some steep and twisty roads for a good twenty minutes, he tries to catch us on every straight and we are by now doing 80 mph on a 60 mph road to get away from this nut.
We see a rest stop and decide to pull in for a nature stop and as we get off our bikes we notice a State Trooper is parked behind the bathrooms. Just then the mad man with truck and trailer is hammering it down to make the turn into the rest stop but at the last minute he sees the patrol car and swerves back into his north bound lane and takes off.
We didn't say anything to the Trooper, took a rest and then carried on, we never saw the truck driver again.
We got to thinking this guy is seriously pissed that we passed him fully legal with no disrespect and he was prepared to come into the rest stop and confront three guys on bikes. What if was packing a fire arm? How would that have turned out?
You just never know who you are dealing with.
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My personal belief is that the entire US, and probably the world, has gone totally freaking nuts. I recently started a new job and get to drive 24 miles of freeway from my house to the new job (Sammamish to Bothell, Wa). The level of insanity on the road actually scares the crap out of me. I am actually re-assured when the maroon is 'just' talking on their phone.. I think the mature female in the quad cab, long bed 4x4 doing 80 in the left general purpose lane playing a frigging game on a large format phone\tablet probably takes the cake. Fortunately I have found an alternate route that keeps me off the freeway and is much safer and just a bit slower.
So the bike\car incident, though really bad, is getting to be too normal in the modern era. I am glad the guy in the truck is supposed to be ok. If karma happens, both maroons in this situation would get theirs in spades.
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My daily commute involve a stretch of the NYS Thruway, and getting cut off, being forced out of my lane, and generally just not being seen happens all the time. While I will, on occasion, make my presence known, so the car driver knows he's made a mistake, I try to do it in a spirit of forgiveness and education.
"Anger is a wind which blows out the lamp of the mind"
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[Sigh.] I wish I could be deputized so I could ticket cagers and riders while riding my Norge... I've asked a prosecutor friend of mine and spoken with LEO acquaintances, but it is just not doable...
Fortunately, cagers notice my police-bike-white Norge, especially when I am coming up fast behind them. Just the other day, another motorist pulled over and stopped when he saw my turn signal behind him as I was about to exit the "freeway."
Civility is lacking.
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I might agree with you if the reports weren't that the car had cut the biker off earlier, which in my mind means there are 2 possibilities here:
1. The car really didn't see him, was startled as you put it, but is dangerously incompetent.
or
2. He was aware of the biker, chose to cut him off, and then chose to retaliate. And I'm leaning towards this because of the voracity of the swerve.
Look at it this way, I mean, we've all been startled and react, but if someone is SO STARTLED that they then swerve SO SEVERELY they lose control, they should not be on the road, I mean REALLY REALLY shouldn't be driving ever they are completely incapable of dealing with their environment. And I really doubt someone is THAT bad, that completely incapable of handling their car that a thump makes them completely lose control, resulting in a t-bone and roll of another vehicle.
No, I am as certain as one can possibly be without interviewing the suspects and witnesses that it was intentional or he had no business driving a car in the first place.
Yes, the biker still made a bad choice - but not NEARLY as bad as the person who chose to either get behind the wheel in that condition or swerve at him and try to kill him.
Regardless of what happened earlier I would have given that driver all the apace I needed for both of us to be safe. For me the only thing that matters is that I get home safel and in one piece, no need to win the battle. The wise old rider knows when to retreat, often foolish riders don't live long enough to gain that wisdom.
Paul
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Speaking as a retired LEO, if this investigation would have been assigned to me, two charges would have been made. The cyclist would have been charged with MIP, malicious injuries to property and possibly assault with motor vehicle. The driver in the car would be charged with assault with a deadly weapon intending to inflict serious injury.
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and.....there you have it.
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The clip made the TV news here last night.
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The clip made the TV news here last night.
It was on the CNN Homepage too!
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Speaking as a retired LEO, if this investigation would have been assigned to me, two charges would have been made. The cyclist would have been charged with MIP, malicious injuries to property and possibly assault with motor vehicle. The driver in the car would be charged with assault with a deadly weapon intending to inflict serious injury.
Yep, that was exactly my take above .... !
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The Nissan cage driver is the one who deserves removal of their gonads with a rusty butter knife. Weak excuse of flashing of a knife. WTF is the potential harm to a cage by a rider who may (or may not) have 'flashed a knife' ? The rider may not be the sharpest tool in the shed but the Nissan driver is the one who, by trying to cut off the bike, caused the white truck to roll over.
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Must have been Chuck Norris on the bike. Kicked the car off the road. Wow! 😉