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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: ohiorider on July 21, 2017, 10:31:07 PM
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He may have been right!
We corresponded and discussed my upcoming purchase of the Honda CB1100. We also discussed the merits of twins vs four cylinder bikes. And we discussed that some of us are "twin guys" not triple or four cylinder riders.
I now own a CB, a 2014 Standard, and find I cannot get into the bike.
First off, I find the suspension extremely stiff, both front and rear, and am faced with throwing $$ at the bike to improve the ride.
But I'm not certain the bike will work for me even if I install better shocks and fork springs and damping.
I think after riding the CB on the smoothest sections of asphalt I can find, that the feedback from the 4 cylinder in line engine just might not provide the vibes I enjoy, whether from my 1200 Sport or the R100GS flat twin, or previous Triumph twins.
I am almost afraid to proceed with purchasing shocks and front fork components, since I may only experience a different ride, but not an improved ride.
But the main thing may be ....... I simply like the feedback I get from twins vs 4 cylinder machines.
Bob
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Dusty?.... Right?....
I shall rise to that challenge!
As far as missing out on the vibes and their attendant satisfying effects, as 3-4-6 cylinder bikes go, I find that a sweet exhaust and a freed-up intake track for its roar go a long way in providing their own visceral pleasures.
Suspension? Maybe it's just new-Jap tight and will open up over a couple of thousand miles. In any case, tweaking the existing internals over a yootoob tutorial might return a satisfying weekend of tinkering.
Todd.
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"I don't know much about history
Don't much biology
Don't know much about a science book
Don't know much about the French I took...
"But I know that one and one is two
And that's enough to get a scoot to do"
OK , not my best work , but you get the point :laugh:
Dusty
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Bob. That sounds like a fair assessment of where you fall in the engine preference department. I love the CB but there's a reason I have a couple of twins sitting beside it. It checks a lot of of my boxes but not all of them. Funny you're still struggling with suspension. I would describe the ride as plush but I seem to remember you're much lighter than me. I fall in the extra husky rider range :rolleyes: and that prob helps to smooth out the suspension.
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Well I know that assessment would be true for me.
For you, I dunno.
As for Dusty, well "even a broken clock... Twice a day..."
That is all.
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Bob? What exactly was the problem with your Sport 1200? I thought you loved the piss out of that thing? I have to say I was a bit perplexed when you said you were selling it, I couldn't understand why you'd sell a bike you enjoyed so much and replace it with something else just as heavy.
Pete
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Bob? What exactly was the problem with your Sport 1200? I thought you loved the piss out of that thing? I have to say I was a bit perplexed when you said you were selling it, I couldn't understand why you'd sell a bike you enjoyed so much and replace it with something else just as heavy.
Pete
Pete. I do love the 1200S. Owned since 2010. She's turned over 65,000 miles, and still is a pleasure to ride. As I get a bit older, and find I didn't recover 100% from heart surgery and subsequent staph and sepsis last year, the Sport has become a bit too heavy for every day riding. But note, she's off the 'for sale' list at the moment, and has been taken out for several day rides of more than 200 miles on some of our finer state and secondary roads.
The old Beemer (R100GS) is still a good ride, and gets the bulk of my saddle time, being several pounds lighter than the 1200 Sport, and with what feels like a much lower CG.
Re heavy, yes the CB1100 isn't a lightweight, but also carries its weight low. She'll probably go 'bye-bye' and get replaced with a twin. Maybe a V9 or a new Triumph Bonneville. A damn shame, because the CB1100 is such a beautiful machine.
EDIT: Pete, you got me concerned about how much or little I was riding, so I checked my 2017 mileage.
Honda CB1100 = 1600 miles
BMW GS = 3000 miles
MG1200S = 2000 miles
Not too bad for an old dude! And the Sport has had more miles put on than I thought.
Bob
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As for Dusty, well "even a broken clock... Twice a day..."
That works especially well with a two-cylinder engine...
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Bob, what did you experience on the familiarisation ride that turned out to not be there after you wrote the check? There must have been some indication that it was going to turn out to be less than ideal. Also, what's got you blokes all tickly down below about these beaut CB1100 Honda things in the first place? Aren't they just another rice flavoured rocket ship thinly disguised as licence eaters? And if you're not using them in that regime, why did you want it? When you breathe on the twist grip ('cos you never actually "twist" it) doesn't it just send a silent command to the arm stretching unit under the tank and instantly and un noticeably add 100 kph to your current velocity without bothering you with such mundane sensations as an interconnection between man and machine, (if we may be so romantic)? When you blokes buy these things, what was it about the particular mammoth that you thought MIGHT appeal ? We are reading this on a Guzzi forum ????!
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Bob, awfully sorry to hear that the CB1100 doesn't seem to be working out. I also have been seduced by its looks and apparent capabilities. Since I'm trying to downsize from eight bikes to maybe four or five (seven currently), I resisted the urge . . .
When I look around my garage, I see one single, four twins, and two triples (KLR, R1100RT/Guzzi/two H-D, two K75s, respectively). I would say that there's no question I have the best "feelings" or "experiences" on the twins. Don't know why. The KLR is excellent for what it does, and the K75s are superb for commuting and "taking care of business", regardless of weather. Twins just feel natural . . .
Good luck with whatever you choose to do!
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Hi Bob, I tried different 4cyl. bikes back in the day and had a lot of fun trying to throw my license away and I ended up with a 750 Honda. I lived with it day to day for only 3000 miles and got rid of it, I have not owned a 4 cyl. since, they just don't do it for me, maybe you are not a 4 type of guy either, trade it off for a v9 and all will be right with the world. Of course I could be wrong :boozing: :boozing: :boozing:
Bruce
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Well Bob. There is always the V7 III. I saw the blue last night up at Phil's shop. Stunning in person. The colors remind me of Gulf Racing.
John Henry
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As for Dusty, well "even a broken clock... Twice a day..."
That would be at 9 and midnight.
Got that in there for ya, John! :grin:
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Not much of a buzz guy ,eh? More of a thumper vibe guy !! I could never get used to smooth engines in a bike, too much like a car. Ever own an old K100, they give you a hummer at speed and you'll stand up off that seat.
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That works especially well with a two-cylinder engine...
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I enjoy test riding all types of bikes and usually take the opportunity to do it whenever I can. I've had almost all configurations of engine architecture and number of cylinders and firing orders, along with my share of 2 strokes, singles, twin, and triples. I have felt like some in-line fours were too smooth, some too buzzy, some turbine like, and some were just "different'.
I test rode a new CB1100 shortly after they came out (only time) and was unimpressed with the total ride package as it seemed awfully vanilla. I remember riding a new Bandit the same day and felt like it was a much more engaging motor. Totally different impression.
That's just my impression and helps formulate my recommendation to always know how a bike rides and feels before you buy it. The only time I've broken my rule recently is when I bought my 1200 Sport from MI, had it shipped down, and had never even seen one in person. It turned out to be one of my favorite riding bikes of all time. Go figure.
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Being an old motor cycle guy , I've had both inline 4's and numerous twins on different makes and models and I think I can give an accurate and fare assessment. The difference between the two is like the difference in ridding a mule or a horse. They are similar in nature but with different attitudes, demeanors, and strides. In the end they both do a good job in getting the job done and get you to where you are wanting to go. The twin being the mule, which I prefer and the horse being the inline. Just the point of view of a country boy from NC.
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... and get replaced with a twin. Maybe a V9 or a new Triumph Bonneville. A damn shame, because the CB1100 is such a beautiful machine.
The V9 will definitely have more character than the new water-cooled Bonneville. Now that MG have moved the pegs rearward, I'd actually be more interested in a V9, but, still prefer the looks of the V7, and if buying a new Guzzi, would choose the V7III Special in blue.
I had the opportunity to ride a friend's CB1100 last summer for a few hours while he rode my V7 Special. It liked the bike, and found it shared some traits with the V7, but had better brakes, and was faster. But, when I got back on the V7, I knew I had the right bike for me. My friend has since sold the CB1100 and moved on, but, I still have my V7.
Back to the Triumph. I test rode the standard 1200cc Thruxton (not R), and R-Nine-T back to back. I wanted to try the Thruxton-R, but, the Hermy's had just sold the only one they had at the time. I prefer the looks of the Thruxton to the R-Nine-T, but, found the R-Nine-T to be more visceral. I didn't expect this, as I would've expected the 270-degree motor of the Triumph to sound better to me, given me preference for 90-degree V-twins. I think it is due to being a water cooled motor, that the mechanical sounds are muted.
I felt that the cam-head boxer in the R-Nine-T had a little more torque too.
Given your history with BMW boxers, I'd recommend given one the R-Nine-T variants a try.
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We should all figure out what works for us in a motorcycle, but the decision cannot be strictly an exercise in logic. Bikes are not appliances and how they reach us emotionally is just as important as their functionality.
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Kev's just upset because being right twice a day is an aspirational goal for him :evil:
Hey Bob , tell 'em how I knew that you're a twin cylinder guy .
Dusty
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Can't comment on the bike; but Dusty leans left, not RIGHT!!!!!! :>)
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Kev's just upset because being right twice a day is an aspirational goal for him :evil:
Hey Bob , tell 'em how I knew that you're a twin cylinder guy .
Dusty
Could be because of a total of 16 bikes over 34 years, over half my miles have been put on six twins I've owned. Over 25% has been on only one of them, the 26 year old R100GS 'bumble bee.'
I can't count my BSA from the 1960s, since the Smiths speedometer quit working shortly after I bought the bike.
You could say I like twins.
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Was Dusty right?
NEVER!![/size]
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kjf
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Bob, Since I have a 12S, I know how you feel. If it was me... I would keep the gas tank as low as possible knowing that the gas tank is located high up there and gas weighs 6 lbs. per gal.
12 lbs. is better than 36 lbs. when pushing the bike around. Then fill it up if you're going on a long trip.
The other options are the V7, V9 or find another good used BMW R100GS similar to yours before they ballooned in weight.
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Kev's just upset because being right twice a day is an aspirational goal for him :evil:
That's half right, it was a goal, but I managed it once...
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:laugh:
Dusty
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It is funny how we interpret the feel and sounds of different bikes. In my case,
Loud HD or clone thereof: "Buy some mufflers, jagoff."
UMJ or Sportbike on the pipe: "That asshat gonna get KILT!"
Quiet bike: "Ahh, a dude with some sense." :evil:
Guzzi, Duc, Bonneville or related: "That's not noise, that's music."
Bottom line, if there were only one type of bike available, if I could hold it up, I would still ride it.
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Dusty is like "Silent Cal" Coolidge. He rarely speaks, but when he does, he's usually got a cogent point.
I've decided I like bikes with character. To me, smoothness is not the goal. Crazy impressive performance specs don't do it. And I generally find I-4 engines too smooth overall . . . yet annoying "buzzy" as well.
I'm working hard to like a recently purchased Triumph Street Triple Rx. But like you, I just haven't jelled with it so far.
And like you, Dusty gently suggested the Triumph Triple would be a mistake (for me). And I didn't listen.
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OK, I'll be the first to acknowledge what we've all been dancing around in this thread.
Dusty....
What bike should I buy next?
:bike-037:
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I had a Street 3 also. Best performance bank for the buck ever IMO. Did everything great, Sols it at 3200 miles or so.
MUCH prefer my V7. It feels alive as opposed to, well, whatever........... ................... ................
It simply feels right, to me.
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Bob- Perhaps you should go back to the Griso 8V. They feel like they carry their weight a lot lower than the 1200 Sport. You could soften the Griso Suspension if you felt it was too stiff.
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Bob- Perhaps you should go back to the Griso 8V. They feel like they carry their weight a lot lower than the 1200 Sport. You could soften the Griso Suspension if you felt it was too stiff.
Don't tempt me. Travman. However, I still have a Becker Technik stand that does a great job of elevating the rear wheel, and a lovely set of bar risers that match the contour of the Griso riser base. :grin: NOTE ... and a working copy of VDSTS .... Oh, and a set of HB bag mounts for the Juniors.
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OK, I'll be the first to acknowledge what we've all been dancing around in this thread.
Dusty....
What bike should I buy next?
:bike-037:
I'm gonna start charging , no more free tickets to motorcycle Nirvana :laugh:
Dusty
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What Dusty understands after many years of touring and racing, is that sport bike engines that are high strung with light flywheels do not make for a pleasant touring road bike experience. There are a few exceptions, of course, like a Bandit for example. My 360 degree Thruxton feels very different from a 270 degree Bonneville. If I was touring on it, I would prefer the 270 for it's more "thumper" feel verses the much smoother power delivery and feel of the 360.
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But the main thing may be ....... I simply like the feedback I get from twins vs 4 cylinder machines.
Bob
And that's it in a nutshell. It is the feedback that a Moto Guzzi engine provides, that turned me onto our marque so many years ago.
Everybody on this forum must agree ......or why are you here?
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the CB is a "retro bike". It doesn't have performance and handling compared to 4 cyl sport standards, like 1000 Ninja, GSX-S, CB1000R or older bikes like my '98 1200 Bandit, 919 Hornet, or ZRX.
But it does have the style and performance associated with standard machines of the '70s with modern tech and reliability. It's down to preference and choice.
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Dusty is like "Silent Cal" Coolidge. He rarely speaks, but when he does, he's usually got a cogent point.
I've decided I like bikes with character. To me, smoothness is not the goal. Crazy impressive performance specs don't do it. And I generally find I-4 engines too smooth overall . . . yet annoying "buzzy" as well.
I'm working hard to like a recently purchased Triumph Street Triple Rx. But like you, I just haven't jelled with it so far.
And like you, Dusty gently suggested the Triumph Triple would be a mistake (for me). And I didn't listen.
Dusty "silent"? I'm not sure we're talking about the same guy. :blank:
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So far this has gone two pages and, no concensus whether Dusty is right or not! Don't leave him in suspense!!
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So far this has gone two pages and, no consensus whether Dusty is right or not! Don't leave him in suspense!!
Hey, I asked him for a recommendation so I could see if he is right, but he says he's gonna start charging for them! :shocked:
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I'm not really across this one, but I think Dusty said he'd find it as boring as a wooden spoon. The hint of flavour in Bob's post was looking a bit that way wasn't it ? That would make Dusty..... Ummmmm.......RIGHT!!! :bow:
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Don't tempt me. Travman. However, I still have a Becker Technik stand that does a great job of elevating the rear wheel, and a lovely set of bar risers that match the contour of the Griso riser base. :grin: NOTE ... and a working copy of VDSTS .... Oh, and a set of HB bag mounts for the Juniors.
I'll just leave this right here.....
https://nwct.craigslist.org/mcy/d/moto-guzzi-griso/6222723581.html (https://nwct.craigslist.org/mcy/d/moto-guzzi-griso/6222723581.html)
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That is so thoughtful! :wink:
Bob