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Title: Front Wheel bobbing up and down
Post by: scra99tch on July 31, 2017, 09:00:20 AM
Between 20-40 mph I get a bobbing motion, tried adjusting the compression rebound on the California vintage and that does not help.  Wheel spins true when on center stand.  Does have a slight drag from brake but it is ever so slight.  Could it be a warped rotor?  I get no shuddering when either linked brakes are applied or front brake.  I had the mechanic who put the tire on recheck balance on his machine and it is still balanced (has three sticky weights on one side and 2 directly on opposite side). 

This really started to happen when I put the new tire on so I suspect the tire is truly the problem.  Too late to return or get a refund. 

Any ideas?  Think tire beads would help?


 
Title: Re: Front Wheel bobbing up and down
Post by: SportsterDoc on July 31, 2017, 09:11:52 AM
Is there a section with the bead not fully seated?

Perhaps tire itself is out of round?
Title: Re: Front Wheel bobbing up and down
Post by: yogidozer on July 31, 2017, 09:12:12 AM
run your hand around the outside of the tire. any uneven wear or bumps? if it was a brake problem, you would only feel it when braking.
if not, have a different guy check the balance.....on the tire not you  :wink:
Title: Re: Front Wheel bobbing up and down
Post by: rocker59 on July 31, 2017, 09:42:45 AM
Between 20-40 mph I get a bobbing motion, 

This really started to happen when I put the new tire on so I suspect the tire is truly the problem. 


The first thing I'd suspect is balance.

The second thing would be a bead seat issue.

The third would be an out of round tire.

You DID balance the tire, right ???
Title: Re: Front Wheel bobbing up and down
Post by: Rich A on July 31, 2017, 09:45:45 AM
Also make sure that the forks are aligned--both the same height above the triple tree.

Rich
Title: Re: Front Wheel bobbing up and down
Post by: oldbike54 on July 31, 2017, 09:55:57 AM
 What brand and model of tire ? Also look for any flat spots on the rim .

 Dusty
Title: Re: Front Wheel bobbing up and down
Post by: guzzisteve on July 31, 2017, 09:58:17 AM
Find a different shop to balance wheel. Sounds like it was put on w/o notice the balance dot or mark. I never end up w/weights on both sides. They should start w/o any weights on rim. This is why I do all my own wheels. Mine end up w/few weights on at all, but I buy quality tires and watch what I'm doing.  Hey, It's your ass on the tire.
Title: Re: Front Wheel bobbing up and down
Post by: scra99tch on July 31, 2017, 10:57:26 AM
I just changed fork oil (bobbing happened before messing with forks) measured that the forks were even above top clamp.

I looked at periphery of wheel apex when spinning also and did not see any high spots.  I may just take wheel off and have someone else re-balance.  I saw him put the wheel on the machine and come up with 0-0 on the digital readout.  So maybe the machine was out of whack? 

I'll look closely for bead issue.

Thanks for replies.

Title: Re: Front Wheel bobbing up and down
Post by: scra99tch on July 31, 2017, 11:01:31 AM
Metzler ME880
Title: Re: Front Wheel bobbing up and down
Post by: rocker59 on July 31, 2017, 11:08:29 AM
Metzler ME880

Those are good tires.  I'm going to put my money on bad balance job at the shop.
Title: Re: Front Wheel bobbing up and down
Post by: kingoffleece on July 31, 2017, 11:12:55 AM
Could be the tire.  I just installed my third front Michelin pilot of the front as the first two were out of round.
Title: Re: Front Wheel bobbing up and down
Post by: scra99tch on July 31, 2017, 11:18:27 AM
I did try move the forks with it on the center stand to check if there was any bearing lash, none that I could feel.

Title: Re: Front Wheel bobbing up and down
Post by: Sheepdog on July 31, 2017, 12:35:31 PM
My Vintage developed a lateral runout problem on my front wheel after a ham fisted tire installer (me) bent a bit of the wheel flange with a too-long tire lever. It balanced, but exhibited some scary behaviors at various speeds. Once I diagnosed it, I sent it to Woody's Wheel Works in Denver for repair. It turned out to be a $200 mistake...

I have also had tires fail to fully seat to the bead. My last Michelin Activ front tire took lots of lubricant and over 80 lbs of pressure before it finally popped into place. It also balanced, but hopped as the bike gathered speed. I had to re-install it...
Title: Re: Front Wheel bobbing up and down
Post by: scra99tch on August 17, 2017, 12:05:54 PM
Turns out it was the tire. 

Put it on balance machine (as we did not have a magnetic base to check rim runout) crouched down and spotted a point on far side of balance machine and rim looked good as the rim to point did not move that much.  But looking at tire there was a definite high spot.  Pulled tire and remounted thinking it was the bead and got the same high spot. 

So the Mechanic called his distributor and they took the tire back even after ~1500 miles on it.

 

 
Title: Re: Front Wheel bobbing up and down
Post by: Sheepdog on August 17, 2017, 02:55:49 PM
Seems like a happy ending. New tire yet?
Title: Re: Front Wheel bobbing up and down
Post by: azguzzirep on August 18, 2017, 01:49:08 PM
Great news! Glad you got it figured out.

My EV gets a new front tire next week. Last week's ride to the Guzzi rally had a few scary parts because of wet slick back roads and curves!!😨😨
Title: Re: Front Wheel bobbing up and down
Post by: dl.allen on August 19, 2017, 08:54:27 AM
Sounds like you got it solved.
If not check balance on back tire.  I had a back tire that could not feel out of balance but would make front forks jump up and down at certain speeds
Title: Re: Front Wheel bobbing up and down
Post by: azguzzirep on August 27, 2017, 03:51:20 AM
Great news! Glad you got it figured out.

My EV gets a new front tire next week. Last week's ride to the Guzzi rally had a few scary parts because of wet slick back roads and curves!!😨😨


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