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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: bettythebear on July 31, 2017, 04:57:11 PM
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Well, looks like I'm buying a new leftover 2016 Norge. Just waiting to finalize the deal when the credit union finishes their paperwork in a couple days. I'll be having it shipped from.the dealer to my door. Woohoo!
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Good work :-)
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Woo hoo! We gonna get to see it at GRIT Rally?
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Woo hoo! We gonna get to see it a GRIT Rally?
You bet! What's the break in period for that motor?
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Usually keep it under 5K rpm for 600-1000mi, then 7K rpm and up. After 1st service you can start stretching her legs. They have a short 1st gear w/rev limiter.
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About 10K miles...it will smooth out!
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I've never bought a brand new bike before, let alone one being shipped to my house. I believe the dealer is fairly reputable. Is there anything I should do before riding off once it's delivered?
I'll most likely be adding a top case. Is there anything on this model that you guys feel is absolutely necessary to change as far as having a great running machine? For example, I removed the evap canister immediately on my v7.
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I wouldn't do any modifications until you have some time on the bike to get used to ergos and windshield positions. About the only thing you could do right away, depending on inseam would be to put lower pegs on it if you find your knees a bit cramped. I'd ride it with and w/o panniers or top box for a bit to get a feel for how it behaves, anything else is aesthetic (black mirrors vs. silver metal ones), throttlemeister or other. The bike will smooth out noticeably over the first 10k miles, so I hope you don't feel disappointed if it's not as smooth as you might expect out of the box.
if you're going to be riding a lot at night, a good pair of extra lights would be in order...
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Colour ?
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Colour ?
You guys spell color funny :grin: :grin: :grin:
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It's the white one.
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It's the white one.
Congratulations! That's the color of my Norge. Motorists often mistake me for a law enforcement officer and pull over quickly! At least they notice me, and they will notice you on your beautiful new white Norge!
I agree about not changing anything ergonomically just yet, but I would add the Moto Guzzi top case. It is painted to match, and it is very useful.
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I hope you love it as much as I do mine...2012.... also white.
My wife calls it "Pretty Girl" ...she says it's like the pretty girls in high school....all the guys drooling. She gets a little aggravated when we go riding....her on her Goldwing....me on the Norge.....people gravitate to the Norge, and start asking questions.....givin g compliments......an d she says...what is my 25,000 bike....chopped liver. I just laugh. Happens a lot when I am riding with others...and I love it.
Have put in a lot of 500+ mile days on it.
Tim
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Well now Mr Bear , if you are doing the GRIT rally then it follows that the next weekend the Okie camp out is a must do also .
Dusty
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Well now Mr Bear , if you are doing the GRIT rally then it follows that the next weekend the Okie camp out is a must do also .
Dusty
I'll do my best Dusty! It depends on how my time off is looking at work. Having a bike that was really designed for long rides will be a whole new world for me. I know that my v7 and the klr unused to have could go anywhere too, but they are more fatiguing than something like the Norge.
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Congratulations! You will love it. For a fairly big girl she dances well in the curves. :grin: The stock screen is pretty good but if you feel the need for more upper body protection check out the Cal/Sci. Mine is the medium. Have been very happy with it and is less than $150.
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GliderJohn
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Another windscreen option:
(http://www.epfguzzi.com/assets/images/norge-screen-on-bike.jpg)
http://www.epfguzzi.com/parts/norge_screen.html (http://www.epfguzzi.com/parts/norge_screen.html)
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Good choice! My 14 white Norge is a wonderful bike.
Take a few moments to set up the suspension. It really will make a difference. Don't overlook the small adjustment screw on the bottom of the shock.
Mine is set a half when unloaded and dialed all the way up when on a tour. This keeps the attitude of the bike much more level which equates to move fun in the twisties. And as stated, she movers REALLY well for a big girl.
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You guys spell color funny :grin: :grin: :grin:
No, the Aussies have got it right.
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I'll put in a recommendation for an HB rack and topcase. Personally I think the painted OEM ones can become too much paint and I really like the variety of HB cases that are available. Not to mention it's nice to not worry about scuffing paint on a topcase.
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Well, looks like I'm buying a new leftover 2016 Norge. Just waiting to finalize the deal when the credit union finishes their paperwork in a couple days. I'll be having it shipped from.the dealer to my door. Woohoo!
Is it the one in Las Vegas they had for $10,995?
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Is it the one in Las Vegas they had for $10,995?
That's the one. There's also three in MI listed for 11,500 I think at a dealer up there. Then there the three 2015's in NC, but they didn't really seem interested in selling them.
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That's the one. There's also three in MI listed for 11,500 I think at a dealer up there. Then there the three 2015's in NC, but they didn't really seem interested in selling them.
Great Minds think alike !! :thumb:
I just bought the red 2016 Stelvio they had. Our bikes may be on the same enclosed transport truck next week depending on which direction you are from them. I'm in Indiana.
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To be on the safe side, I'd check all the fluids and tire pressure.
Tex
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I'll put in a recommendation for an HB rack and topcase. Personally I think the painted OEM ones can become too much paint and I really like the variety of HB cases that are available. Not to mention it's nice to not worry about scuffing paint on a topcase.
The great thing about the H&B cases is that you don't always have to use a key to open it and close it
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The great thing about the H&B cases is that you don't always have to use a key to open it and close it
Yup, at least most of them. One of the five I have (52L Orbit) requires a key for that, but it's a single latch/lock cylinder so it's not bad.
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I'd go over the entire bike top to bottom.
What's their interest in a complete PDI on a bike sold cheap to an out of state buyer? This may or may not apply to these folks but I'd at lease ask the question.
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I'd go over the entire bike top to bottom.
What's their interest in a complete PDI on a bike sold cheap to an out of state buyer? This may or may not apply to these folks but I'd at lease ask the question.
I will go through it, but for what they're charging in prep, it better be right.
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To be on the safe side, I'd check all the fluids and tire pressure.
Tex
And give it a bath ?
Dusty
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I will go through it, but for what they're charging in prep, it better be right.
I covered PDI with their finance mgr Joe. He assured me they go over them after initial setup after uncrating, and then go over them again before delivery. He assured the Stelvio would be perfect.
If it is, I'll give them a five star review on Yelp. If not, we'll have to see.
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Fair enough.
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Here's one that's been worthwile
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Llooks like the deal isn't going to happen after all. Even with phenomenal credit, my stagnant state worker wages are keeping the credit union from giving me the cash. For anyone interested, the Vegas dealer accepted a cash offer on the bike of $10,600. I was looking forward to a shiny white bike.
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Llooks like the deal isn't going to happen after all. Even with phenomenal credit, my stagnant state worker wages are keeping the credit union from giving me the cash. For anyone interested, the Vegas dealer accepted a cash offer on the bike of $10,600. I was looking forward to a shiny white bike.
They financed me through MB Financial on the Stelvio and still took money off the advertised price, seems to be their go-to bank. Maybe see if they can get it done with MB.
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I wish the credit union treated out of state dealers the same as they do in state ones.
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Can you get a local dealer to pick it up for you, I did that once on a new car, didn't like the dealer so I went to one I know, they picked it up, same price.
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Llooks like the deal isn't going to happen after all. Even with phenomenal credit, my stagnant state worker wages are keeping the credit union from giving me the cash. For anyone interested, the Vegas dealer accepted a cash offer on the bike of $10,600. I was looking forward to a shiny white bike.
Is that the same CU that was robbed by the crazy HD buyer the other day ? They may be a tad jittery following that episode?
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The dealer makes some kick-back from the financing firm they're connected to. They will quite readily deal with the issue, I am certain. I bought a white 2014 on a similar deal last year (through AF1 in Texas). I had them put a top case on prior to delivering. Kinda wish I would have thought of having spare key(s) made before shipping, too. It's more complicated after the bike is at your location but I'm a large distance from a dealer and that not affect you.
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Thanks for the tips. I'm trying to jump through the dealer's system as we speak.
I wish AF1 would run specials that were anywhere close to as good as this one. Although they are doing free tire installs with tire purchases from them on the 2nd Thurs of every month now.
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BTB, if there's any way to swing the deal, get it done. 10 years from now you won't miss the extra money as much you will the miss the enjoyment you would have had with the new bike.
Here's to hoping you get many wonderful miles and many smiles on that new bike! :bike-037:
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Buy the bike with dealer financing. Bring it to your home state and refi through your CU.
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That's the best Norge price I've seen. Post if you don't do the deal.
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The dealer makes some kick-back from the financing firm they're connected to. They will quite readily deal with the issue, I am certain. I bought a white 2014 on a similar deal last year (through AF1 in Texas). I had them put a top case on prior to delivering. Kinda wish I would have thought of having spare key(s) made before shipping, too. It's more complicated after the bike is at your location but I'm a large distance from a dealer and that not affect you.
^^^ This ^^^
Guarantee you they likely get a perk for throwing loans to MB Financial. Not a hiccup at all in my financing process although their state requires orig signatures so they PDF you the credit app from MB Financial and you have to print it out go over it on phone with finance mgr then mail it to them. Sent mine in by certified mail w/ tracking number since it was packin' my ssn and personal info inside. You'll get this deal done, and I bet at the same terms as your credit union was offering.
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Any word? We're pullin' for ya!
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Buy the bike with dealer financing. Bring it to your home state and refi through your CU.
Why refinance?
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Why refinance?
Credit union in my experience always has better interest rates. 2014 Honda financial loan was 13%. Year later at CU 3.99!! My financial status was the same
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I'm just waiting on the final approval at this point. I was surprised to find that the bank the dealer uses is only about .5% higher than my local credit union. I'd still refinance when I can just to keep everything neat and tidy in one place.
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Credit union in my experience always has better interest rates. 2014 Honda financial loan was 13%. Year later at CU 3.99!! My financial status was the same
You got hosed on that Honda deal. Last motorcycle I financed at a dealer was in 2015 (in Texas with Freedom Road Financial). Interest was 5% and the dealer apologized that it was "so high".
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Hondas financing might be that type that's really a credit card in disguise.
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You got hosed on that Honda deal. Last motorcycle I financed at a dealer was in 2015 (in Texas with Freedom Road Financial). Interest was 5% and the dealer apologized that it was "so high".
My credit isn't even very good and I got 5% from a CU I had used previously.
RE: Honda credit (card). Yamaha does the same thing. A friend of mine bought an FZ09 and was about to use the Yamaha deal, but his wife read the details. One late payment and the rate blows up just like an over limit credit card. He went down the road to their CU and brought back a check.
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Speaking as a former salesman/finance person at a motorcycle dealer on the topic of where and with who to finance...
We offered a variety of finance options, including ones from specialized finance outfits (Sheffield, etc.), traditional banks, and two local credit unions. If the buyer qualified under CU rules (residency, credit and income, etc.), they always got a better deal - a cleaner contract and better rates. I can't count the number of new CU members I created. The CUs were also usually much faster in decisioning an application, even if they set conditions for additional docs or proof of income.
The banks offered fair rates, but a bit high - and qualifying was rough. I almost never wrote one of these unless the buyer already had a relationship with that bank. Not a last resort, but usually not best for the customer.
The specialty finance companies (those with a manufacturer tie-in or who were big on powersports) were usually higher rate, more convoluted contracts, and so on. They would underwrite loans that others might not, in terms of both credit rating and special conditions (i.e. out-of-state buyers, etc.). I frequently suggested to buyers who used these sources that they should look at moving to a CU once they had established a payment history or returned to their home - and I wouldn't write a loan if there was a pre-payment penalty (which used to be common, thankfully less so now).
Not only am I not a lawyer, I'm not a financial adviser - but I can say the customers I placed with CU loans were happier with their loan and with their bike - and with their buying experience.
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Speaking as a former salesman/finance person at a motorcycle dealer on the topic of where and with who to finance...
We offered a variety of finance options, including ones from specialized finance outfits (Sheffield, etc.), traditional banks, and two local credit unions. If the buyer qualified under CU rules (residency, credit and income, etc.), they always got a better deal - a cleaner contract and better rates. I can't count the number of new CU members I created. The CUs were also usually much faster in decisioning an application, even if they set conditions for additional docs or proof of income.
The banks offered fair rates, but a bit high - and qualifying was rough. I almost never wrote one of these unless the buyer already had a relationship with that bank. Not a last resort, but usually not best for the customer.
The specialty finance companies (those with a manufacturer tie-in or who were big on powersports) were usually higher rate, more convoluted contracts, and so on. They would underwrite loans that others might not, in terms of both credit rating and special conditions (i.e. out-of-state buyers, etc.). I frequently suggested to buyers who used these sources that they should look at moving to a CU once they had established a payment history or returned to their home - and I wouldn't write a loan if there was a pre-payment penalty (which used to be common, thankfully less so now).
Not only am I not a lawyer, I'm not a financial adviser - but I can say the customers I placed with CU loans were happier with their loan and with their bike - and with their buying experience.
Timing is everything it seems, just the other day I got a promo mailer card from a local major credit union offering "bring your loan to us and get up to 1% cash back of the loan amount, plus a great low rate..." on auto loans. Probably check into if they offer that on bike loans. Did check their website and their bike loans for the same term are about half the APR as what I got from MB Financial... I'm going to do it probably, if the dag-gone bike ever arrives. Still waiting.
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I'm just waiting on the final approval at this point. I was surprised to find that the bank the dealer uses is only about .5% higher than my local credit union. I'd still refinance when I can just to keep everything neat and tidy in one place.
Depending on which direction you are from the dealer, the transport co may be holding my Stelvio until they can pickup your Norge if we're the same direction for them. They picked up my Stelvio last Wednesday and took it to their (transport co's) terminal or whatever and are supposed to contact me with an estimated delivery date once they get final routing of the 18 wheeler planned. Hope dealer expedites your approval :grin:
The transport co is a division of the same company that transports Harley Davidson's from the Milwaukee factory to dealerships, so they know what they're doing, no worries there.
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Bonaventure, there's a pm coming your way.
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Well, now I'm just waiting for it to ship, could be a few weeks until I get it sounds like.
Regarding break in: I'd like to ride it to the GRiT rally this year. Should it be ok to do a 600mile round trip with passenger/gear during the break in period?
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Well, now I'm just waiting for it to ship, could be a few weeks until I get it sounds like.
Regarding break in: I'd like to ride it to the GRiT rally this year. Should it be ok to do a 600mile round trip with passenger/gear during the break in period?
Congrats! Enjoy!
I think most here would say absolutely fine.
A few might only suggest that you don't drone on the highway at one particular rpm for extended periods. I would certainly say that.
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Congrats! Enjoy!
I think most here would say absolutely fine.
A few might only suggest that you don't drone on the highway at one particular rpm for extended periods. I would certainly say that.
That's what I'm thinking, too. The route I like to take is all 65mph or under, and has lots of back roads and small towns. I'm going to try and ride it as much as I can in that initial lower rev range as soon as I get it.
The even better news is that it looks like my gf is going to buy my v7 after all, so I'll still be able to ride that one as well when I feel like it.
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Well, now I'm just waiting for it to ship, could be a few weeks until I get it sounds like.
Regarding break in: I'd like to ride it to the GRiT rally this year. Should it be ok to do a 600mile round trip with passenger/gear during the break in period?
Yes. I don't know why some baby the damn bike during so called break-in. With the Breva I left MPH at 11:00 am and was back the next day at 1 pm with 1,000 miles on it. Mike pulled up top speed of over 100. I've done my break-in this way on many new Guzzis and then put on over 100k with no motor problems.
Be good to see you in Lindale. Beaver is making your youngest rider award. LOL
Tex
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Yes. I don't know why some baby the damn bike during so called break-in. With the Breva I left MPH at 11:00 am and was back the next day at 1 pm with 1,000 miles on it. Mike pulled up top speed of over 100. I've done my break-in this way on many new Guzzis and then put on over 100k with no motor problems.
Be good to see you in Lindale. Beaver is making your youngest rider award. LOL
Tex
Haha! The one I have already sits in the living room and gets laughs from my gf all the time. There's a good chance she'll ride her own to the 2018 rally, and I'm sure she'll be in the running for it at the ripe old age of 30.
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What?......two young owners at the same rally and ladies even! The old men in red suspenders might need resuscitation! :bow:
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I have to keep coming up with reasons on why she shouldn't even think about another brand. She expressed interest in the Ducati Scrambler, so I started talking about how expensive maintenance is. It worked!
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I have to keep coming up with reasons on why she shouldn't even think about another brand. She expressed interest in the Ducati Scrambler, so I started talking about how expensive maintenance is. It worked!
<shaking head> Friends don't let friends ride Ducatis..
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<shaking head> Friends don't let friends ride Ducatis..
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Finally have an ETA, they said between Sept 8-10. Already had to make the first payment on it. Anyone know exactly when the warranty actually starts?
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Finally have an ETA, they said between Sept 8-10. Already had to make the first payment on it. Anyone know exactly when the warranty actually starts?
If the warranty period didn't start the day I took delivery, there wouldn't be a need for a warranty because there wouldn't be a sale!
I suspect that's what they'll do for you ....
Lannis
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Got a call from the driver tonight, and he's planning to be at my house around lunchtime on Friday. Then I get to see how disorganized the DMV is, and how many hoops they'll make me jump through.
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You will love it.......I love my white 12. Just got back from a 2000 mile trip through Canada.
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This picture is before the Sargent seat and trunk were added.
Tim
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Congrats on the new bike!
Things I'd do:
- Red Loctite the bolts holding the end of the muffler on
- Do the spark plug wire fix
- Replace the oil pressure sensor with an aftermarket one
- Add a fuse block off the battery for accessories
- Add a Powerlet socket
- Add a Garmin Zumo 665 harness
- Add visibility lights to the front forks, and extra brake/turn signals on the rear
- Add a quick-lock tank ring tank bag (like the Quick Lock EVOs)
- Add a 46L Givi top case
- Ride!
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If you change out the oil sending unit also check the tightness of the oil feed lines to the heads. Mine leaked.
GliderJohn
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Now you guys are making me paranoid
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Now you guys are making me paranoid
Don't worry.....just ride it at first. Plenty of time to do the above and other customizations .....if needed....or wanted.
My factory spark plug wires and oil pressure sensor have worked just fine. Only problem I have is keeping gas in the tank :grin: :grin: :grin:
Tim
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Just had the Norge delivered to the house a little while ago. The dealer didn't include any of the paperwork I need (MS0) like they said they would. I called immediately and voiced my extreme displeasure, and they say it will be mailed today. Now I'll have to take more time off work next week to try and make it legal at the tax office. I took half a day off today to try and get it done.
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Are the after market screens just "bolt on" replacements? As in they still can move up and down?
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Are the after market screens just "bolt on" replacements? As in they still can move up and down?
Yes, they use the same mounts as the factory screen.
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Cool. 50 miles has told me already that I'd like a taller one.
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Congrats :thumb:
Dave
Galveston
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Congrats :thumb:
Dave
Galveston
:1: Yes , looking forward to seeing the bike in person .
Dusty
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Cool. 50 miles has told me already that I'd like a taller one.
Two well-regarded choices are to add the Laminar Lip to your existing screen, and the California Scientific replacement screens. I have both of these; I use the Lip and standard during the hot months to get more airflow, and the CalSci in the cooler months to get more protection. Another trick is to add the hand-guards from the Stelvio if you want more wind off your hands.
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ENJOY!!!
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Cool. 50 miles has told me already that I'd like a taller one.
Can't you just ride with it in the "up" position ?
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Can't you just ride with it in the "up" position ?
It's tossing my forehead around in that position.
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I'm having a sidecar mounted on my white Norge and there's a white 1200 Sport at the same place also having a sidecar attached. That guy (who lives in Edmonton - anyone here?) is having the word POLITE painted on the front in reverse text so it can be read in a mirror. He's hoping drivers will think he's a cop.
It reminds me a of a guy I knew who wrote ALKA SALSA on his helmet. The adverts at the time said "Alka Salsa - unfuzzes you fast".
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The dealer makes some kick-back from the financing firm they're connected to. They will quite readily deal with the issue, I am certain. I bought a white 2014 on a similar deal last year (through AF1 in Texas). I had them put a top case on prior to delivering. Kinda wish I would have thought of having spare key(s) made before shipping, too. It's more complicated after the bike is at your location but I'm a large distance from a dealer and that not affect you.
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Craig, did you do any other mods or remapping when you put the gpr on?
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I had to ditch the stock screen also for the same reason. No position was workable.
I have a CalSci medium with a Laminar lip. I get air when it's down and can raise it as needed for weather or temperature.
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Craig, did you do any other mods or remapping when you put the gpr on?
It rumbled a bit with the stock map but ran alright. Beetle had a "No-Pop" map that alleviated that a bit. I put off putting his Norge 8V map on until I had a likely final on-warranty service done at 6200 miles. At that point, the new map and Beetle's suggested valve settings were done. I can't say that it is radically different (a bit more cold blooded) but it runs smoother, revs through the rpm range more easily and I find that I'm driving it faster when I'm not consciously watching my speedo. Some of this is also due to it limbering up, I think. I was a bit cautious in break-in riding but at about 5000 miles, I noticed it was loosening up and freer revving.
I think the GPR may be becoming a bit louder as it burns off some packing but I like the mellow tone and it's not really that loud. I'm running it with both dB killers in place (front and rear) and left the accumulator on. My general mileage is 42 mpg (5.6 l/100km) with any of the maps and the plugs look right. Someone on here commented about not caring for the GPR sound but the Albus I have is very pleasant to my ears and I've had people mention liking the tone (even unsolicited strangers). I might try recording it and if it turns out to be a worthwhile representation, I'll post a YouTube link.
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Thanks for that good info Craig! I likely won't make any changes like that for quite a while. When the time comes I'll have more questions about whether or not the canister under the seat can be removed and other things.
Also, I see the 12v socket under the seat, but what is the other funny looking plug that was hanging out from under the seat?
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A pic would help. There are several plugs under the seat.
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Thanks for that good info Craig! I likely won't make any changes like that for quite a while. When the time comes I'll have more questions about whether or not the canister under the seat can be removed and other things.
Also, I see the 12v socket under the seat, but what is the other funny looking plug that was hanging out from under the seat?
If you're talking about a small automotive connector type plug with just two or three wires, usually up near the cross brace for the seat, that's the plug for testing and managing the ABS system. People often confuse it with a plug of the same kind that's the OBDII alternative connector used when you are connecting a GuzziDiag setup. It's remotely possible the guys doing setup left the OBDII plug out when they were working, but it's further forward and not as easy to see.
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Isn't the ECU plug up the back on the Norges?
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Isn't the ECU plug up the back on the Norges?
I may be recalling their locations in reverse, but one's by the seat brace and the other's further forward. I should check since it's just about time to do a TPS reset on mine. I do wish they had used different connectors, or at least color-coded the dang things!
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Here's a quick sound clip of the GPR Albus on the 8V Norge.
https://youtu.be/lG9H5vSlewE (https://youtu.be/lG9H5vSlewE)
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Thanks for that Craig.
Regarding windshields...
I'm 5-10, and am getting lots of buffeting at forehead level while sitting comfortably with the stock screen all the way up. It seems like there are three main options: the cal-sci, the mg cycle, and the skidmarx one. The cal-sci, in med, seems to be the most popular, but it's only .5" taller according to their site. What is everyone using these days and why?
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The Cal-Sci medium at 5'10" will mostly likely be unsatisfactory...I had one as well, sold it, and then bought another and cut it down about 2 inches as at standard height, it was actually more buffeting than the stock screen. it's not bad, but not great...may have to go another 2 inches down.
I have experimented with the stock one, for a while I ran a Cal-Sci Shorty (going to cut this down another 2 inches and should produce even more clean air) and finally found one by TLM (Teo Lamers) in Netherlands, which is a bit taller (XL size) and better shaped that does the trick and actually better priced than the Cal-Sci even with shipping.
Some folks do like the Laminar lip for its functionality, even though it looks a bit funky...
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I use my Norge a bit, and I reckon the wind is half the fun of being on a bike.
If I don't want the wind, I use my Toyota Hilux....
Sorted. :thumb:
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I use my Norge a bit, and I reckon the wind is half the fun of being on a bike.
If I don't want the wind, I use my Toyota Hilux....
Sorted. :thumb:
Wind is fine, buffeting is annoying...sort of like flying is fun, but turbulence is annoying...
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Exactly. There's a big difference between riding the v7 with flyscreen and feeling the wind, and having my head tossed around like a plane in a storm.
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Wind is fine, buffeting is annoying...sort of like flying is fun, but turbulence is annoying...
Not if you're in a Sailplane...! (Glider)
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From Huzo:
Not if you're in a Sailplane...! (Glider)
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By the way I am 5'10" use a 2012 Norge with the med. cal/sci screen. I get very, very little to no buffeting at any height setting. I like it considerably better than the stock screen.
GliderJohn
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Fair enough mate, I was half joking.
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Thanks for that Craig.
Regarding windshields...
I'm 5-10, and am getting lots of buffeting at forehead level while sitting comfortably with the stock screen all the way up. It seems like there are three main options: the cal-sci, the mg cycle, and the skidmarx one. The cal-sci, in med, seems to be the most popular, but it's only .5" taller according to their site. What is everyone using these days and why?
I'm the same height as you but long in torso/short legged so might present more upper body exposure (plus I'm a full-figured sort). The Cal S in medium is just right for me and I'm very glad I have it. I followed their sizing guide with the site point routine and it worked just right for me.
As to buffeting, I never feel any at any speed when both hands are on the grips. If I let my left hand go free for a break and sit up only a bit, I get a surprising amount of air blast and can sense my jacket vents grabbing a lot of air and flow. This tells me that the whole system is at a fine line when I'm in the normal riding position so I imagine there could be a reaction to small variations in riders' physical factors.
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I have a 2012 factory roller
GPR Furore can
Beetle map and tune
Gold wing pegs
Lrg cal sci windshield I'm 6 ft
Ecu plug is in front of tool kit to left side with black plastic cover on it
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The stock windscreen produces a lot of buffeting for me, too. However, much of it depends upon which helmet I am using. My full-face Schuberth seems to have more buffeting than my open-face helmet. Strange!
I often use the Agostini version of the MG Cycle windscreen. (They might be identical.) It looks pretty good (though not as svelte as the stock windscreen), and there is much less buffeting.
I am thinking of experimenting and cutting down one of my two stock windscreens. In open air, like when I stand on the pegs, it is very quiet with with my full-face Schuberth.
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I think I'm going to order the mg cycle one. I am thrifty after all.
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I think I'm going to order the mg cycle one. I am thrifty after all.
I think you will find it to be a marked improvement over the stock turbulence-maker.
Note: You should order four new rubber grommets so you do not need to take the originals out of your stock screen. That way you can swap screens quickly and easily. (Removing and inserting the rubber grommets is a pain.)
Warning: Unless you are careful, you WILL scratch your new windscreen as you attempt to insert the rubber grommets and fit the screen onto the windscreen mounts. Lay down some towels and preferably have an extra pair of hands.
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I think you will find it to be a marked improvement over the stock turbulence-maker.
Note: You should order four new rubber grommets so you do not need to take the originals out of your stock screen. That way you can swap screens quickly and easily. (Removing and inserting the rubber grommets is a pain.)
Warning: Unless you are careful, you WILL scratch your new windscreen as you attempt to insert the rubber grommets and fit the screen onto the windscreen mounts. Lay down some towels and preferably have an extra pair of hands.
Thanks for those tips!
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I have 07 Norge stock seat Cal-Sci windshield at mid to highest setting turbulence free.
I am 6-1. I can hear that nice Guzzi motor just purring along.
In fact it blocks so much air that when its 90 plus I over heat and have to set it at the lowest position
then of course turbulence is back.
usually if i am in town and not road tripping i just run the stock windshield.
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2007 Norge - Cal-Sci Large. 6'0. In the low position it is similar to the stock screen but the design gives less buffeting. In the full up position, my wife does not get the buffeting on her forehead that she got from the stock screen when riding in back.
Works for us.
jdg
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2007 Norge - Cal-Sci Large. 6'0. In the low position it is similar to the stock screen but the design gives less buffeting. In the full up position, my wife does not get the buffeting on her forehead that she got from the stock screen when riding in back.
Works for us.
jdg
Ah, this is another good point. I wonder if the shape of the taller CalSci would be better against the buffeting that my gf may experience with even the MG Cycle screen.
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One other point to make here is the trade-off between the wind protection and where your eye line is with the taller windshields.
In some cases, you'll get full wind protection, but the top of the windshield is right at eye level, which can be annoying...so you have to balance these two factors when selecting the right windscreen for your situation.
Cheers,
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In my experience with my Norge and my Vespa, I get the best wind protection but some buffeting with a large windscreen and the least buffeting with NO windscreen at all but with a quiet full-face helmet.
I have very little buffeting with my Agostini/MG Cycle screen and pretty good wind protection.
On my Vespa with no screen but with my Schuberth full-face helmet, I have absolutely NO buffeting, a good bit of wind on my chest, and NO wind noise on my helmet.
YMMV.
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Glad you got your Norge on time !! Go over it. Ok, know you already have, LoL. My Stelvio is missing one of the screws that hold down the air box under the seat. There are total of six and the lid is quite secure with five but still.... PDI shoulda caught that before it shipped. (Both my Stelvio and BTB's Norge 8V came from same dealer...).
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Spray your windscreen grommets with Plexus, hold them on an angle, start the leading edge into the hole, and twist them in.
No muss, no fuss, and the Plexus is good for the screen.
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I've had it for a week and about 500 miles so far. I absolutely love it. For me, it moves like a rocket. Especially compared to the v7. The bars feel super smooth at speed. If i get on it it makes it to 100 before I even realize it. I've got the color matched top case on order, and am about to order the MG Cycle screen as well. I've already made the 1st service appointment two weeks from now (before I ride to the GRIT rally). The list of things I'd like to add really isn't too big: nicer exhaust and a givi tanklock ring/bag. Maybe a GPS someday.
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I've had it for a week and about 500 miles so far. I absolutely love it. For me, it moves like a rocket. Especially compared to the v7. The bars feel super smooth at speed. If i get on it it makes it to 100 before I even realize it. I've got the color matched top case on order, and am about to order the MG Cycle screen as well. I've already made the 1st service appointment two weeks from now (before I ride to the GRIT rally). The list of things I'd like to add really isn't too big: nicer exhaust and a givi tanklock ring/bag. Maybe a GPS someday.
You're hooked now. Welcome to the Norge family. They just keep running better and better. Somewhere north of 10,000 she'll really be broken in. At 83,000 miles mine seems to be running more efficiently - average MPG is up a bit from last year. I certainly can't complain.
Enjoy and post more photos,
jdg