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Title: Moto Guzzi Thinks My 54 yr Old Eyes Can Read Micro-Print ...
Post by: Bonaventure on August 30, 2017, 06:12:47 AM
Okay. Pride myself on always reading the owner manual on new things.  But come on Guzzi, what's up with the uber-small font in the owner manual that came with the Stelvio?   

I'm sure a PDF of it can be downloaded somewhere?  Like to grab the PDF and convert it to .epub and read it on Google Play Books that way.   :cool:
Title: Re: Moto Guzzi Thinks My 54 yr Old Eyes Can Read Micro-Print ...
Post by: steffen on August 30, 2017, 06:20:01 AM
Okay. Pride myself on always reading the owner manual on new things.  But come on Guzzi, what's up with the uber-small font in the owner manual that came with the Stelvio?   

I'm sure a PDF of it can be downloaded somewhere?  Like to grab the PDF and convert it to .epub and read it on Google Play Books that way.   :cool:
Here:
http://www.thisoldtractor.com/moto_guzzi_misc_owner-s_manuals___rider-s_handbooks___use_and_maintenance_manuals.html
Title: Re: Moto Guzzi Thinks My 54 yr Old Eyes Can Read Micro-Print ...
Post by: pete roper on August 30, 2017, 06:29:45 AM
How long have you owned the bike? And already the complaints are coming and they aren't even about the bloody bike!

Can you get a refund? You're going to be so unhappy in a week or two......

Pete
Title: Re: Moto Guzzi Thinks My 54 yr Old Eyes Can Read Micro-Print ...
Post by: Bonaventure on August 30, 2017, 06:38:41 AM
Ha !!  You got me on that.  :azn:   Just need a better way to RTFM, I always RTFM in order to minimize possible question asking.  :cool:
Title: Re: Moto Guzzi Thinks My 54 yr Old Eyes Can Read Micro-Print ...
Post by: fossil on August 30, 2017, 08:18:52 AM
"I'm sure a PDF of it can be downloaded somewhere?  Like to grab the PDF and convert it to .epub and read it on Google Play Books that way."

Why so complicated? Just open the pdf directly in the Edge-browser. Or transfer it onto a perfectly normal e-book - reader.
Title: Re: Moto Guzzi Thinks My 54 yr Old Eyes Can Read Micro-Print ...
Post by: roadscum on August 30, 2017, 10:14:42 AM
How long have you owned the bike? And already the complaints are coming and they aren't even about the bloody bike!

Can you get a refund? You're going to be so unhappy in a week or two......

Pete

Seems to me the complaint is NOT about the bike but it's about the package of ass wipe called the USE+MAINTENANCE BOOK. It's very difficult to read because of the micro print, contains more warning messages then it does useful  content, contains multiple languages, 10 pages on warning labels placement WTF, an index so sparse it useless, and it's too damn thick to carry under the seat ....... all 235 pages. Just my thought, yours may vary.

Paul
Title: Re: Moto Guzzi Thinks My 54 yr Old Eyes Can Read Micro-Print ...
Post by: Mr Pootle on August 30, 2017, 10:19:22 AM
I'm with the OP. The manual for the V7ll is not an easy read.
Title: Re: Moto Guzzi Thinks My 54 yr Old Eyes Can Read Micro-Print ...
Post by: oldbike54 on August 30, 2017, 10:21:48 AM
How long have you owned the bike? And already the complaints are coming and they aren't even about the bloody bike!

Can you get a refund? You're going to be so unhappy in a week or two......

Pete

 At least he is reading the owner's manual Pete , give him a break .

 Dusty
Title: Re: Moto Guzzi Thinks My 54 yr Old Eyes Can Read Micro-Print ...
Post by: roadscum on August 30, 2017, 10:44:18 AM
At least he is reading the owner's manual Pete , give him a break .

 Dusty

It's so sad that we're all not as knowledgeable as Mr. Roper and therefore we rely on available documentation.

I think perhaps the only warning not in the manual is the most important one reminding all owners to replace the pos fuel filter either prior to taking delivery of immediately afterward. Mine failed at 1200 miles when I was 200 miles from the dealer and 1500 miles from home. Sitting at roadside was not the adventure I was looking for. The called the dealer seeking advice, we worked through a few things over the phone to no avail. He dispatched an employee and a truck to fetch me and the and return to the shop. Within an hour the problem was solved and was once again rollin toward home. Jim
Hamlin of Hamlin Cycles in Bethel CT USA is the best, none better. Nonetheless the owner manual was useless and it sux.
Paul
Title: Re: Moto Guzzi Thinks My 54 yr Old Eyes Can Read Micro-Print ...
Post by: Demar on August 30, 2017, 11:28:37 AM
It's so sad that we're all not as knowledgeable as Mr. Roper and therefore we rely on available documentation.

I think perhaps the only warning not in the manual is the most important one reminding all owners to replace the pos fuel filter either prior to taking delivery of immediately afterward. Mine failed at 1200 miles when I was 200 miles from the dealer and 1500 miles from home. Sitting at roadside was not the adventure I was looking for. The called the dealer seeking advice, we worked through a few things over the phone to no avail. He dispatched an employee and a truck to fetch me and the and return to the shop. Within an hour the problem was solved and was once again rollin toward home. Jim
Hamlin of Hamlin Cycles in Bethel CT USA is the best, none better. Nonetheless the owner manual was useless and it sux.
Paul

What bike did this happen to?
Title: Re: Moto Guzzi Thinks My 54 yr Old Eyes Can Read Micro-Print ...
Post by: roadscum on August 30, 2017, 11:35:58 AM
What bike did this happen to?

V7 III Special, a purdy blue one.

Paul
Title: Re: Moto Guzzi Thinks My 54 yr Old Eyes Can Read Micro-Print ...
Post by: Bonaventure on August 30, 2017, 12:12:38 PM
So one reason I like to PDF or epub stuff is the ability to do keyword searches. I grabbed the 2011 Stevio NTX one, thanks for that link steffen!!   With the PDF version I can jump right to what I'm looking for by keyword search instead of donning the Reading Glasses and flipping through pages.  As noted above the manual isn't very well indexed, and so the keyword search in the PDF or epub is my friend !!
Title: Re: Moto Guzzi Thinks My 54 yr Old Eyes Can Read Micro-Print ...
Post by: Guzzi Gal on August 30, 2017, 12:32:31 PM
Okay. Pride myself on always reading the owner manual on new things.  But come on Guzzi, what's up with the uber-small font in the owner manual that came with the Stelvio?     :cool:

Ha!  I received the Anni's manual this week, and started laughing the moment I opened it.  That print is DINKY!  Luckily, I also received a PDF copy of all the Guzzi paperwork, so I set my computer to "read" it to me whilst I did housework. 
 :thumb:
Title: Re: Moto Guzzi Thinks My 54 yr Old Eyes Can Read Micro-Print ...
Post by: Huzo on August 30, 2017, 12:46:01 PM
Ha!  I received the Anni's manual this week, and started laughing the moment I opened it.  That print is DINKY!  Luckily, I also received a PDF copy of all the Guzzi paperwork, so I set my computer to "read" it to me whilst I did housework. 
 :thumb:
Give that housework idea the arse GG !
You've a new bike to wear out..
Title: Re: Moto Guzzi Thinks My 54 yr Old Eyes Can Read Micro-Print ...
Post by: Guzzi Gal on August 30, 2017, 01:47:03 PM
Give that housework idea the arse GG !
You've a new bike to wear out..

Alas, there's no word on when she'll arrive.  Till then, I do what's needed, which will allow me to procrastinate later.  The first week Anni's here, Mama's taking a moto vacation!  Fend for yourselves kidos.
 :bike-037:
Title: Re: Moto Guzzi Thinks My 54 yr Old Eyes Can Read Micro-Print ...
Post by: twowings on August 30, 2017, 02:28:17 PM
Amazing new invention!! (@ 424 B.C.E)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2e/Magnifying-glass-green-brass.png/330px-Magnifying-glass-green-brass.png)

Starting at $5.00 or so at your local retailer...
Title: Re: Moto Guzzi Thinks My 54 yr Old Eyes Can Read Micro-Print ...
Post by: Motomoto on September 01, 2017, 01:29:30 AM
I often use my iPhone for this.  Open the camera app, hold the phone about 4in away from print (if too close it won't focus), two-finger spread apart on screen to zoom in.   You wouldn't want to read War & Peace this way but maybe Diary of a Madman.
Title: Re: Moto Guzzi Thinks My 54 yr Old Eyes Can Read Micro-Print ...
Post by: fossil on September 01, 2017, 02:31:41 AM
I often use my iPhone for this.  Open the camera app, hold the phone about 4in away from print (if too close it won't focus), two-finger spread apart on screen to zoom in.   You wouldn't want to read War & Peace this way but maybe Diary of a Madman.

A hand lens never suffers from a flat battery...
Title: Re: Moto Guzzi Thinks My 54 yr Old Eyes Can Read Micro-Print ...
Post by: Murray on September 01, 2017, 05:28:46 AM
A hand lens never suffers from a flat battery...

Now thats progress!!  :grin:
Title: Re: Moto Guzzi Thinks My 54 yr Old Eyes Can Read Micro-Print ...
Post by: yogidozer on September 01, 2017, 05:52:58 AM
reading glasses are a buck, at the dollar store. must not be the only thing you need them for
Title: Re: Moto Guzzi Thinks My 54 yr Old Eyes Can Read Micro-Print ...
Post by: Tom on September 01, 2017, 06:28:09 AM
I'm waiting for a complaint on the translation to English. :shocked:
Title: Re: Moto Guzzi Thinks My 54 yr Old Eyes Can Read Micro-Print ...
Post by: frans belgium on September 01, 2017, 08:28:39 AM
Please guys, don't be jumpy over criticism when it's justified. Justified criticism is not the same as whining.  The Guzzi community can be harsh at times  :wink:
Title: Re: Moto Guzzi Thinks My 54 yr Old Eyes Can Read Micro-Print ...
Post by: oldbike54 on September 01, 2017, 09:04:36 AM
Please guys, don't be jumpy over criticism when it's justified. Justified criticism is not the same as whining.  The Guzzi community can be harsh at times  :wink:

 I agree . Good grief guys , lighten up , you're acting like a bunch of grouchy old bastards .

 Dusty
Title: Re: Moto Guzzi Thinks My 54 yr Old Eyes Can Read Micro-Print ...
Post by: yogidozer on September 01, 2017, 09:55:10 AM
I agree . Good grief guys , lighten up , you're acting like a bunch of grouchy old bastards .

 Dusty
Most if not all are sarcasm. Next time we'll add this.
(http://thumb.ibb.co/emWwia/sheldon.png) (http://ibb.co/emWwia)
 
Title: Re: Moto Guzzi Thinks My 54 yr Old Eyes Can Read Micro-Print ...
Post by: Kent in Upstate NY on September 01, 2017, 05:31:23 PM
If we weren't grouchy old bastards we wouldn't be owning a Guzzi. I think that is a prerequisite.
Title: Re: Moto Guzzi Thinks My 54 yr Old Eyes Can Read Micro-Print ...
Post by: Guzzidad on September 01, 2017, 06:35:15 PM
   Motomoto, you don't need to use the camera app on your iPhone. Just enable the magnifier in the settings and then triple tap the button at the bottom, instant magnifier.
Title: Re: Moto Guzzi Thinks My 54 yr Old Eyes Can Read Micro-Print ...
Post by: ITSec on September 01, 2017, 06:38:24 PM
I agree . Good grief guys , lighten up , you're acting like a bunch of grouchy old bastards .

 Dusty

It's how you get when you snap your suspenders too often (OUCH!  :shocked: )
Title: Re: Moto Guzzi Thinks My 54 yr Old Eyes Can Read Micro-Print ...
Post by: oldbike54 on September 01, 2017, 06:43:32 PM
It's how you get when you snap your suspenders too often (OUCH!  :shocked: )

 Yeah , or cinch 'em up too tight .

 Dusty
Title: Re: Moto Guzzi Thinks My 54 yr Old Eyes Can Read Micro-Print ...
Post by: pete roper on September 01, 2017, 06:52:15 PM
Yeah , or cinch 'em up too tight .

 Dusty

Which is worse? Too tight so yer 'Package' is on display at the front or too loose so anyone behind you gets an eyeful of 'Builders Cleavage'?
Title: Re: Moto Guzzi Thinks My 54 yr Old Eyes Can Read Micro-Print ...
Post by: oldbike54 on September 01, 2017, 06:54:22 PM
Which is worse? Too tight so yer 'Package' is on display at the front or too loose so anyone behind you gets an eyeful of 'Builders Cleavage'?

 We call it plumber's butt here  :laugh: You know what race car people say , loose is fast  :shocked:

 Dusty