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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: ITSec on September 08, 2017, 02:45:13 PM
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Do you own a Garmin product? If so, please go out and buy all the accessories and repair parts you will ever need for it as soon as you can make a list. Better yet, when you buy the GPS in the first place, you should anticipate all the vehicles you will ever use the unit in and buy a full set of mounts and cables for each of those not yet purchased vehicles.
Owners of the Garmin 66x series devices, including those who got them as onboard accessories with their bike (BMW, Honda, HD, etc.) are basically SOL even though the products are less than 2 years off the shelf. I spoke with Garmin today to confirm that all accessories for those devices are discontinued, and almost all are no longer available from Garmin or its retailers. The items left are things like the rain cover for the mount.
If your mount has a bad pin? You now are the proud owner of a paperweight. It's a nice, heavy fully functioning paperweight, but it won't be useful on your motorcycle any more. You can update the maps and the device itself is still officially 'supported' - it just won't be useful in any meaningful way. Are you buying a new bike? Garmin says you should buy a new GPS, because they won't sell you the mount that allows you to move the device from one vehicle to another. So much for the value in that quick-connect dock...
When you buy a product you are investing in the company that makes it. You can make a small investment and be ready to write it off with little fuss, but motorcycle-specific GPS devices are not in that class for most of us. Would the people who are spending $750 and more to put a current Zumo on their bike be happy if in two years they were told that their device was going to be crippled by a decision to stop selling an accessory like the cradle? Garmin apparently thinks they would accept that.
I won't. My new bike will have a GPS on it. It won't come from Garmin, nor will any future GPS product I buy.
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I sympathize. I bought a Pelouze shipping scale and used it for a few years. One day it started acting flaky so I emailed the company. I was told that it was too old and they didn't have any parts or service available for it, but that I could buy one of their new models. I asked the nice lady what she thought the chances were that I'd buy another Pelouze scale when they quit supporting them four years after they were manufactured. Of course there was no answer.
I then bought a My Weigh scale with a lifetime warranty, and so far it's a much nicer scale for about the same price.
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TomTom Rider...$299 with all of the accessories...just as good.
Buy 2 of them to have a backup.
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TomTom Rider...$299 with all of the accessories...just as good.
Buy 2 of them to have a backup.
I've had a TomTom before (550 XXL) - good, but the support was a bit lacking. The maps also aren't quite as good for North America, but they don't take you onto dirt as often as Garmin and they have better speed limit data. I'll probably get one again. BTW, the current TomTom Rider 400 is $400, so not as cheap as they once were.
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Yes, that sux. I've been shopping for a 660 cradle now for months. The unit is from my '15 GSA.
Unfortunately I'm a fan of the Garmin products, nut'n better, but post production product support is not their strong point.
Paul
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I'll do a minor thread drift if you don't mind: I'm facing the possibility that my BLU phablet isn't coming home again. As I look for possible replacements (I use it primarily as a phone and GPS platform, so there's your topical content) I see the term "unlocked" applied to some devices. What the heck does that mean?
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To me, buying a new stand alone GPS makes as much sense as buying a new VCR. I moved on to a iPhone mount and couldn't be happier. The apps like WASE and other map apps are better than any nav unit I have used. The screen is brighter and if I wanted, I could use the Bluetooth to get directions to my Sena communicator.
Plus I already own it and never leave the house without it.
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[Rusnak_322] - Yes, but you've already decided to pay the data plan charges for that gadget for the rest of your life - some of us are reluctant to make that commitment yet (snapping red suspenders) and are more comfortable with standalone devices.
[Rodekyll], is "unlocked" anything like "jailbreak"? I believe it applies to defeating the manufacturers safeguards, sometimes at the hardware level on a circuit board, to enable the gadget to be used in manners unintended by the original manufacturer.
And thank you, [ITSec] - I just bought my first Garmin, I'll go buy supporting widgetry this weekend.
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Norm, I understand what you're saying, but not what it means to a phablet user. Why/how would it benefit me?
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I'll do a minor thread drift if you don't mind: I'm facing the possibility that my BLU phablet isn't coming home again. As I look for possible replacements (I use it primarily as a phone and GPS platform, so there's your topical content) I see the term "unlocked" applied to some devices. What the heck does that mean?
If this is a cellular device, then "unlocked" usually means that it's not artificially limited to work on a single carrier (as a phone contracted from a carrier store might be).
It may still be technologically limited, eg GSM for GSM cellular networks, CDMA for a CDMA network, can-and-string for a treehouse network
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love my garmin montana 650T
they have a newer one now the 680T and they use the same amps mounts as the 650's
great GPS can be used off AA batteries, or use the powered mount, you can use all the maps in it from hiking to marine or aviation.
Has great memory built in and can save 100,000 way points you put in and thousands of routes.
I am still using NT2014 maps in it and really should update them but I mainly use it for backroad riding and those don't change much or ever.
It is also meets IPX7 water resistance, so no need for special covers for it.
And has a built in camera as well.
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1) no you don't have to have a data plan, or any plan, for a cell phone to operate as a tablet (or GPS). Don't even need the SIM card installed. Just use a local WiFi (like McDonald's) to do any downloads you need. After that it does not need a data connection.
2) GPS hardware support sucks, from all the companies. i think I have my last Garmin product as well. I like stand alone devices but I won't keep paying for new ones just because the company decides to stop supporting them. At least I can still download maps for old devices. My Magellan became a boat anchor after two years because they didn't even have updated maps for that device.
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[Rusnak_322] - Yes, but you've already decided to pay the data plan charges for that gadget for the rest of your life - some of us are reluctant to make that commitment yet (snapping red suspenders) and are more comfortable with standalone devices.
You don't need a data plan or even cell service to use a smart phone. Copilot lets you download maps when you're in range of a LAN. I downloaded maps for all of North America.
(typed in parallel with charlie b.)
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I'll do a minor thread drift if you don't mind: I'm facing the possibility that my BLU phablet isn't coming home again. As I look for possible replacements (I use it primarily as a phone and GPS platform, so there's your topical content) I see the term "unlocked" applied to some devices. What the heck does that mean?
Unlocked means it is not tied to a specific cellular service provider. It can use any service provider that supports the frequencies (wavelengths) and encoding method (GSM or CDMA) that the device can use. BTW, the dominant CDMA companies are VerizonT-Mobile and Sprint; the dominant GSM companies are AT&T and the others. Most unlocked devices are GSM only, but support multiple frequency bands and so you can choose between several carriers who support GSM. A few devices (such as my Moto G4 phone) have multi-frequency radios and support both GSM and CDMA, and can be used with almost any carrier worldwide.
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To me, buying a new stand alone GPS makes as much sense as buying a new VCR. I moved on to a iPhone mount and couldn't be happier. The apps like WASE and other map apps are better than any nav unit I have used. The screen is brighter and if I wanted, I could use the Bluetooth to get directions to my Sena communicator.
Plus I already own it and never leave the house without it.
Must be something wrong with my iphone then because I cant see the screen hardly at all when its sunny out...... :sad:
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One word: Smartphone.
Or is that two?
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When my Garmin shared duty between car and bike I used the cradle in the car and then used a Nite Ize Steelie magnetic mount on the bike.
I only used their magnetic half (2 of them, belt and suspenders) and bought the steel balls from McMaster Carr (they sell drilled/threaded steel ball bearings essentially).
This can be rotated and seems to be very solid and safe thus far.
Easy to build another mount for another vehicle or move to a new gps device.
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To me, buying a new stand alone GPS makes as much sense as buying a new VCR. I moved on to a iPhone mount and couldn't be happier. The apps like WASE and other map apps are better than any nav unit I have used. The screen is brighter and if I wanted, I could use the Bluetooth to get directions to my Sena communicator.
Plus I already own it and never leave the house without it.
That would work, except that phones aren't weather resistant and almost all GPS apps for them are dependent on map information and supporting functionality held in the cloud rather than on the device. Yes, you can sometimes download the data, but you still have to be somewhere that makes downloading practical or even possible. The cost of data plans for situations where WiFi is not present is also an issue. If you ride where I do in the west, you're out of coverage (for either!) more than you are in it. In addition, combining a PC-based mapping and planning app with a GPS gives much more flexibility in planning than any phone app (though Google Maps is starting to get close).
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I just wish everyone would STAY THE HELL OFF MY LAWN! :boozing:
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I just wish everyone would STAY THE HELL OFF MY LAWN! :boozing:
I was going to promise that I would - then I remembered, I'm buying a Stelvio! :evil:
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I was going to promise that I would - then I remembered, I'm buying a Stelvio! :evil:
You'll get bitten by a Tiger 🐯 in my yard!
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Unlocked means it is not tied to a specific cellular service provider. It can use any service provider that supports the frequencies (wavelengths) and encoding method (GSM or CDMA) that the device can use. BTW, the dominant CDMA companies are VerizonT-Mobile and Sprint; the dominant GSM companies are AT&T and the others. Most unlocked devices are GSM only, but support multiple frequency bands and so you can choose between several carriers who support GSM. A few devices (such as my Moto G4 phone) have multi-frequency radios and support both GSM and CDMA, and can be used with almost any carrier worldwide.
If this is a cellular device, then "unlocked" usually means that it's not artificially limited to work on a single carrier (as a phone contracted from a carrier store might be).
It may still be technologically limited, eg GSM for GSM cellular networks, CDMA for a CDMA network, can-and-string for a treehouse network
That's what I need to know, thanks!
Returning you now to the burning issue of who gets to be on the lawn . . . .
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I'm no fan of the motorcycle-specific GPS units. They seem costly - and now you say there are compatibility issues. So I suppose I will never get one.
I use a Garmin In-Reach Explorer handheld device, which is waterproof. It sends the GPS signal to my phone via bluetooth (no data plan needed - and it works even when there is no mobile phone coverage). On my recent trip to Europe, I downloaded all the maps for Germany, Austria, Switzerland, and Italy to my phone. Then I turned on the tracking and got a line that showed where I had been (and current location). I had all the convenience of looking at a map like I was using google-maps, but it was super-fast and I didn't need to be connected to phone or data service. Still had a paper map as backup, but didn't need to use it.
While I like this device, it lacks standard navigation features, like turn-by-turn directions. But I don't value that feature very much. I liked a lot of features of my older 60CX handheld better, but the phone integration and free map downloads on the new unit are fabulous - and seem to be worth the trade-off so far.
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You'll get bitten by a Tiger 🐯 in my yard!
Are you the guy who's tiger escaped in shipment, or is it a Triumph Tiger?
Maybe we can get a lawnmower attachment for the Stelvio.
The government inspector who will be camped out in my office later this month rides with his smart phone giving him directions via the bluetooth to his helmet. I've already prepared my wife for when we break down and smartphone up that I'll have to do a helmet upgrade - although frankly the thought of a surprise voice in my ear while riding alarms me.
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Must be something wrong with my iphone then because I cant see the screen hardly at all when its sunny out...... :sad:
Same here, iPhone 5s. I also have many Android tablets (at work, I'm an app developer), none of which are bright enough to use in direct sunlight.
My Garmin (550) is. So, for now, so long as it (and its dock) keeps working, I'll use it.
Also, because the Garmin has a resistive, instead of capacitive touch screen (smart phones and tablets), touch screen, it works with ANY gloves.
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That would work, except that phones aren't weather resistant and almost all GPS apps for them are dependent on map information and supporting functionality held in the cloud rather than on the device. Yes, you can sometimes download the data, but you still have to be somewhere that makes downloading practical or even possible. The cost of data plans for situations where WiFi is not present is also an issue. If you ride where I do in the west, you're out of coverage (for either!) more than you are in it. In addition, combining a PC-based mapping and planning app with a GPS gives much more flexibility in planning than any phone app (though Google Maps is starting to get close).
I am surprised that you are not aware of the phone apps and their capabilities when not connected to the cell networks. All of the 'real' GPS mapping programs download maps to the phone (CoPilot, Tom-Tom, Garmin, OSMand, Locus, etc, etc). Google and those other browser based programs are the ones tied to data networks. My only problem with not being in cell range was not having active weather radar updates. It only takes an hour of WiFi time to upload the US maps on mine. Last time I did it while at a hotel for an evening. When not in cell range I have full functioning mapping apps (including my topographic maps for the area I am hiking on that trip).
You can still plan on a PC and connect to the phone (not as seamless as Garmin's Basecamp, but, that is a horrible program to try to use). It just takes converting the data to whichever GPS mapping app you choose for your phone.
Weather. Some of the newer phones are as water resistant as some of the motorcycle GPS units. I have not tested mine by submerging it for 30min, but, it has been under water twice now with no ill effects. Hiked with it in the rain as well.
Sunlight. My iPhone 5 was not very good in sunlight. My Samsung S5 and S7 are very good. When mounted on the handle bars I oriented them more vertical to almost eliminate the glare issue.
The only downside I had with the phone was needing to use screen friendly gloves. I could never get those things to work well with the phone screen.
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I downloaded the maps of OHIO and WV to my phone before I left on a trip because I know cell service was non existent where I was going.
The iPhone 7 screen was way better than my non motorcycle specific GPS I used to use. Plus the maps are automatically updated and the points of interest are more accurate. My old GPS with newer maps would take me to gas stations that looked to have been shut down for years.
I did drop my phone earlier this year when messing around pulling a little wheelie off a hill. Cracked the screen and cost me $129 at the Apple Store but still worked. I had to have been going 70+ when it fell. I secured it a lot better now. You can also get water proof cases for cheap for phones.
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You can still plan on a PC and connect to the phone (not as seamless as Garmin's Basecamp, but, that is a horrible program to try to use). It just takes converting the data to whichever GPS mapping app you choose for your phone.
Weather. Some of the newer phones are as water resistant as some of the motorcycle GPS units. I have not tested mine by submerging it for 30min, but, it has been under water twice now with no ill effects. Hiked with it in the rain as well.
The only downside I had with the phone was needing to use screen friendly gloves. I could never get those things to work well with the phone screen.
I primarily use a combination of Basecamp, Streets & Trips (no longer updated but still invaluable), and Tyre - I can do plans with these three that I just can't do with the phone software. All my tools produce GPX format waypoint files that can be read by most all GPS units; admittedly, the ones from S&T have to be tweaked but that's not surprising given that it's orphaned software. And yes, Basecamp can be horrible - but once you understand its horrors and know how to work with it, it is extremely capable. Tyre is dependent on Internet connectivity, but is perhaps the most user friendly tool of all.
A phone itself may be weather-resistant, but what about that USB charging cable? If you ride long distances (as I do) and the phone is active (i.e., the display is on and the CPU is actively updating the device's location and recalculating) a battery doesn't cut it. Phones are basically splash-proof - not full weather-proof (with a couple of expensive exceptions). Water-proof cases exist, but they don't allow for charging. An added issue is the miserable state of cradle designs for phones.
I do know many riders who use automotive GPS units and take steps to protect the charging ports and cables - and throw a Ziploc over the unit when the rain starts. I've done this myself in the past. It's a kludge. Some have gone as far as developing techniques to waterproof a non-waterproof GPS (the Garmin 2797 was popular for this). At some point, doesn't the effort and expense move you to the same overall cost as the motorcycle-specific unit?
Use while wearing gloves is a mandatory. I often have to do things like turning on the 'where's the next gas' point of interest display, or making other on-the-fly adjustments. Yes, I know 'you're not supposed to' do things while operating a vehicle - at least I'm not texting or looking at the kids in the back seat!
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I just wish everyone would STAY THE HELL OFF MY LAWN! :boozing:
Hey I ride where the GPS tells me to go!
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I just got a new one off of e bay. Can't get the damn thing to work<shrug>
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I do know many riders who use automotive GPS units and take steps to protect the charging ports and cables - and throw a Ziploc over the unit when the rain starts. I've done this myself in the past. It's a kludge. Some have gone as far as developing techniques to waterproof a non-waterproof GPS (the Garmin 2797 was popular for this). At some point, doesn't the effort and expense move you to the same overall cost as the motorcycle-specific unit?
I insert my automotive TomTom into a rain-proof handlebar mount that cost less than $20. I think they are marketed as much to bicycle riders as to us. Never had a single problem, even when attacked by a derecho down South in a multi-day downpour, one that ripped my tank bag right off its attaching magnets. (By the way, the touch screen works fine right through the plastic window, with my gloves on.)
Moto
P.S. Here's the mount I have:
https://www.amazon.com/Motorcycle-Handlebar-Water-Resistant-4-3-inch-Magellan/dp/B003FMUP0K/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&qid=1504924113&sr=8-15&keywords=gps+handlebar+mount+motorcycle (https://www.amazon.com/Motorcycle-Handlebar-Water-Resistant-4-3-inch-Magellan/dp/B003FMUP0K/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&qid=1504924113&sr=8-15&keywords=gps+handlebar+mount+motorcycle)
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I just got a new one off of e bay. Can't get the damn thing to work<shrug>
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Try talking to it in a stern voice .
Dusty
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On a two day ride on the old T-3 exploring the eastern part of north central Kansas. Going old school with no GPS and three pages copied out of of a detailed atlas. Found several new to me roads that were really nice and even had quite a few curves, yes in Kansas!
GliderJohn
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On a two day ride on the old T-3 exploring the eastern part of north central Kansas. Going old school with no GPS and three pages copied out of of a detailed atlas. Found several new to me roads that were really nice and even had quite a few curves, yes in Kansas!
GliderJohn
But it's still Kansas. Hard to get lost if you cheat and read those signs along the road.
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I've had a TomTom before (550 XXL) - good, but the support was a bit lacking. The maps also aren't quite as good for North America, but they don't take you onto dirt as often as Garmin and they have better speed limit data. I'll probably get one again. BTW, the current TomTom Rider 400 is $400, so not as cheap as they once were.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-TomTom-RIDER-2-Motorcycle-GPS-Set-USA-CANADA-W-EUROPE-MAPS-bike-2nd-Edition-/331538048828?epid=109467719&hash=item4d3135273c:g:QMIAAOSwnDxUjxn3
10 available of this model...I've been using it now for several years...does everything but provide a radar map. $299 as indicated above...full kit, lifetime map.
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-TomTom-RIDER-2-Motorcycle-GPS-Set-USA-CANADA-W-EUROPE-MAPS-bike-2nd-Edition-/331538048828?epid=109467719&hash=item4d3135273c:g:QMIAAOSwnDxUjxn3
10 available of this model...I've been using it now for several years...does everything but provide a radar map. $299 as indicated above...full kit, lifetime map.
Thanks for pointing this out - but the screen on these is very small, only 3.5". 20 years ago I could do that, today my eyes need something bigger.
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I just wish everyone would STAY THE HELL OFF MY LAWN! :boozing:
But, but , but, it said turn left here!
On another note, I figure my Garmin 550 was about the best of what they had to offer. It died a couple years ago. I had replaced the touch screen at least twice but the whole thing finally gave up the ghost. I had it a long time though so it was a good run. Purely on price point, I bought a 660 to replace it. It is inferior to the 550 in so many ways that I really don't like it much. But, as a discontinued model a couple years ago now, it was just over 300 bucks. I'm willing to live with it for the time being, but if I had paid full retail when it and the 665 were new, I would probably be having an emotional outburst with Garmin. Before I cough up any money for a GPS, I'll be doing lots of homework and if possible some hands on with someone who has something I'm considering. For a company to devolve a product is not progress to me. It simply sucks.
John Henry
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That would work, except that phones aren't weather resistant and almost all GPS apps for them are dependent on map information and supporting functionality held in the cloud rather than on the device. Yes, you can sometimes download the data, but you still have to be somewhere that makes downloading practical or even possible. The cost of data plans for situations where WiFi is not present is also an issue. If you ride where I do in the west, you're out of coverage (for either!) more than you are in it. In addition, combining a PC-based mapping and planning app with a GPS gives much more flexibility in planning than any phone app (though Google Maps is starting to get close).
My smartphone is waterproof and dustproof. It is bright and visible in direct sunlight.
I have 4 apps on my smartphone that do mapping when out of cell range. Plus a couple that do when online. With Garmin, you use their app, and you had better like it. And a Garmin map update costs as much as a smartphone. I have access to a number of free apps to traffic, fuel costs, weather and more on the smartphone.
I plan my longer rides on my PC, using one of a few dozen PC apps, online or offline, to plan my trip. it is automagically synced to my smartphone when I am on WiFi or cell. I then can follow the plans (though I seldom do). :evil: When I return from the trip, my track is already loaded on my PC for me to look at. (where was that interesting road I took?) No messing with Garmin's horrible Basecamp software.
I had one Garmin that was supposedly waterproof, that had the power connector pins destroyed when I rode in the rain. Another waterproof Garmin that quit working in the rain. When I got home, I found it was half full of water where the screen had leaked. I can buy a new bulletproof Android for the price of mailing one of those back for repairs.
Try this with a Garmin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6R7iXiTasM
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love my garmin montana 650T
they have a newer one now the 680T and they use the same amps mounts as the 650's
great GPS can be used off AA batteries, or use the powered mount, you can use all the maps in it from hiking to marine or aviation.
Has great memory built in and can save 100,000 way points you put in and thousands of routes.
I am still using NT2014 maps in it and really should update them but I mainly use it for backroad riding and those don't change much or ever.
It is also meets IPX7 water resistance, so no need for special covers for it.
And has a built in camera as well.
I use a Montana 650 as well (since 2012? 2013?).
In addition to all the good things already mentioned, it is viewable in direct sunlight and is shock proof.
I also have been using the maps that came with it and have been considering updates.
Great GPS unit.
Best,
Carlo
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My Galaxy S7 is rated for IP67 water resistant, 1meter for 30min. That includes being plugged in. IIRC that's what the motorcycle GPS units are rated at. My phone was always plugged into a USB port.
The glove part is the only thing that got me in phones for the bike. Only because I could never get used to using them with the phone. Even with the Garmin it was difficult to get the right buttons.
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I just got a new one off of e bay. Can't get the damn thing to work<shrug>
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If you turn the configuration dials just right, it'll display a perfect map of where you are, and the surrounding area, roads, points of interest, restaurants, motels, etc..
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To me, buying a new stand alone GPS makes as much sense as buying a new VCR. I moved on to a iPhone mount and couldn't be happier. The apps like WASE and other map apps are better than any nav unit I have used. The screen is brighter and if I wanted, I could use the Bluetooth to get directions to my Sena communicator.
Plus I already own it and never leave the house without it.
this exactly
after you get used to an iphone, trying to use the touch screen or features on a tom tom rider is like using a charred stick to draw a diagram instead of a mechanical pencil
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I just got a new one off of e bay. Can't get the damn thing to work<shrug>
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That's easy. Two methods:
1) Turn it off, remove the battery and connect it to shore power. Restart with the two dials set to 11. Once it starts shut it down, replace the battery, and reboot normally. Your maps will then be whatever you want them to be.
2) use it to support your paper map while you draw on the map with your grease pen.
Hope this helps.
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I primarily use a combination of Basecamp, Streets & Trips (no longer updated but still invaluable), and Tyre - I can do plans with these three that I just can't do with the phone software. All my tools produce GPX format waypoint files that can be read by most all GPS units; admittedly, the ones from S&T have to be tweaked but that's not surprising given that it's orphaned software. And yes, Basecamp can be horrible - but once you understand its horrors and know how to work with it, it is extremely capable. Tyre is dependent on Internet connectivity, but is perhaps the most user friendly tool of all.
Tony,
Have you looked at Gaia GPS yet? I use it for my iPhone and it works great IMO for planning and navigating. There is a one time $20.00 fee to buy the app, but you can play with it online before purchasing anything. You won't be able to sync your iPhone to your computer without the app, but you may find it can do all that you are looking for.
https://www.gaiagps.com/map/?layer=GaiaTopoRasterFeet
Regards,
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Tony,
Have you looked at Gaia GPS yet? I use it for my iPhone and it works great IMO for planning and navigating. There is a one time $20.00 fee to buy the app, but you can play with it online before purchasing anything. You won't be able to sync your iPhone to your computer without the app, but you may find it can do all that you are looking for.
https://www.gaiagps.com/map/?layer=GaiaTopoRasterFeet
Regards,
What is this iPhone you speak of? This is the Devil's work!!!
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You can also get water proof cases for cheap for phones.
They say the 7 is water resistant which is as good as a GPS unit is going to give you, even the instruments on the bike itself are only water resistant.
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When I bought the Norge in '09, I ordered a TomTom Rider for my GPS since it was the "official" Guzzi GPS. The mount was crap - and was a known weak point, but it was less than half the price of the Zumo 550 or the new 660. Not too long after that, they quit being sold in the US. Parts were still available out of the UK, but were not cheap. A replacement cradle was $100. US support was non-existent so I picked up a used 660 for less than I had expected to pay. Got two cradles - one is on the Norge with all the cables, and the other one has had everything except the power cables cut, and is moved to one of my other bikes when I ride it. While not perfect, I've had good support from Garmin - much better than I ever got from TomTom. I recently picked up a 665 as I wanted XM radio. So now I have two spare cradles, and two virtually identical units. I'd say I am in at least OK shape for a couple of more years before the maps get too big to download onto the unit. By then, I'll have had seven or eight years on the oldest unit, so I guess I can't really complain.
The 660 came out in 2009 followed the next year by the 665, so a 7 year or so model run really isn't too terrible. Yeah, I might be a little miffed if I purchased on right around the time the new models were announced, but that should have been a clue that the 660/665 was not long for continued full support.
YMMV,
jdg
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I have Garmin Zumo 550 and Csx60 on the Stelvio. Bought both used and with pirate maps (Highway map on Zumo and TOPO on Csx60).
TOPO is great for finding "goat paths" and higher elevation roads.
I know Garmin service sucks, but that's why they are used.... Once either one dies or develops problems, I'll throw it in trash. Don't need their sucky service.
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What is this iPhone you speak of? This is the Devil's work!!!
OK Tony, for your non-iPhone Droid device you would probably want Locus. Really good reviews from some folks that have used it extensively. :laugh:
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When I bought the Norge in '09, I ordered a TomTom Rider for my GPS since it was the "official" Guzzi GPS. The mount was crap - and was a known weak point, but it was less than half the price of the Zumo 550 or the new 660. Not too long after that, they quit being sold in the US.
The TomTom Rider model I posted up above has been 100% reliable. NO issues of any sort, either with wiring, cradle or the unit itself, and I think some of you might be surprised how user friendly it is. It's glove friendly, the text is plenty large (even for the vision challenged), and it's super easy to use on the fly...honestly for the price/usability I haven't found a better one. I was willing to spend twice the price to find a good GPS, but it's really not necessary AT ALL!
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Garmin Zumo 550... I've had it 10+ years, I think. Still on my Stelvio.
Replaced the touch screen (ebay), replaced the buttons (ebay), never updated maps, been on about 6 bikes... All without Garmin. I think I can say I have my money's worth.
I don't really care that others will never use one, only use paper maps, are all pissy when people don't do what they like...blah, blah...
I use it to confirm arrival time, turns I may have missed, or speed verification. I don't navigate with them often, but they are a handy tool for going around areas that are unfamiliar. Navigating to a specific destination (restaurant, for example) I will just Bluetooth Google maps from my phone to the helmet with turn-by-turn.
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I use it to confirm arrival time, turns I may have missed, or speed verification. I don't navigate with them often, but they are a handy tool for going around areas that are unfamiliar. Navigating to a specific destination (restaurant, for example) I will just Bluetooth Google maps from my phone to the helmet with turn-by-turn.
Pretty much how I use my Garmin Montana. I rarely ask it for routing -- but in a pinch to does well.
Best,
Carlo
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love my garmin montana 650T
I am still using NT2014 maps in it and really should update them but I mainly use it for backroad riding and those don't change much or ever.
FYI, I am just now updating my Montana. I had to download "Garmin Express" but once done, it is a piece of cake. Hell, even I could do it :)
Best,
Carlo
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My problem last time I tried to use a phone was heat - phone got too hot in the sun and locked up.
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this exactly
after you get used to an iphone, trying to use the touch screen or features on a tom tom rider is like using a charred stick to draw a diagram instead of a mechanical pencil
Absolute garbage!
I use mine in the interstate trips in the truck in Sydney, Melbourne and on the bike in places like Berlin, Paris, Como and Rome @ 11.00 pm and am delivered to the door, EVERY SINGLE TIME...
I simply do not know what all the guts aching is about.
I must be using a different Tom Tom Rider than you guys.
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My problem last time I tried to use a phone was heat - phone got too hot in the sun and locked up.
BIL Harley Bob has a high buck Itablet of some sort with his aviation nav app on it. That happens to him, too.
Hmm, an aviation nav dealy do that locks up when it's in the sun.. that's special. :evil:
My free (Guzzi content) android tablet never does that.. :smiley:
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Let's see...
Samsung or Iphone - 500 to 700 bucks, not heat resistant...and if lost...more trouble than it's worth. Of course, the Samsung is known to be water resistant, but it goes up in flames from time to time, all by itself!
GPS unit - 300-500, WATER and heat resistant...if lost...no big deal...no personal information.
Yeah...makes sense...
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So, unless you are just messin around :)
The Samsung units that had battery problems were the NOTE 7's, not the Galaxy S7 phones.
I have never had an android device overheat in the sun while on the bike. I never left it out on a summer day in Phx, but, it saw many 90 and 100+ degree days on the bike. OTOH, my iPhone 5 overheated several times. Same mounting location on the bike. FYI, there are documented cases of GPS units flaming up in cars as well. Left in direct sun and a closed vehicle they can overheat as well. ;)
FWIW, if my phone is lost it is no more trouble than if my GPS is lost. There is nothing on there valuable enough to try to recover. No personal information on mine (except a list of emails and phone numbers, about 20 of them).
I would have liked a new motorcycle specific GPS for $300. Most I saw were $400 and a lot higher. And I already have the phone so adding GPS function is only the cost of the app.
Yep...makes sense :)
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I see a lot of folks using their cell phons for navigation on a motorcycle. They obviously feel comfortable with that arrangement. I don't. The cell phone is my hand held computer with a huge amount of data/stuff for my daily life. I don't like the idea of having that device out where it might decide to take a walk. It's like putting a IPad on the bike...way more capability than needed and way too much to lose. I'm stuck in the rut of one device for one use. The GPS does a great job (mostly) of answering my navigation questions, no matter where I am. My phone...not so much. Two weeks ago I was in a radio quiet zone. No cell coverage. GPS worked just fine. This was important because we were way out in hell and beyond, on a 1 lane road, and getting quite lost. We are talking Deliverance territory. The GPS worked. I have had similar problems on other trips. No cell coverage but the GPS works. Along those same lines, SPOT Tracker seems to work everywhere. Bottom line, I'll pay the price for a dedicated GPS navigation device. Maybe not Garmin. I have seen some ads for Chinese GPS that are motorcycle specific and really inexpensive. Maybe someone here will try that out and spare me the joy of being the first. Heck, you only have a few bucks on the line and it's for a good cause...(Guzzi Content).
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Let's see...
Samsung or Iphone - 500 to 700 bucks, not heat resistant...and if lost...more trouble than it's worth. Of course, the Samsung is known to be water resistant, but it goes up in flames from time to time, all by itself!
GPS unit - 300-500, WATER and heat resistant...if lost...no big deal...no personal information.
Yeah...makes sense...
If you care to look, you can find rugged waterproof android devices for a little over $100. If you look for a used one, under $50.
Only the Note 7 had battery issues, if you looked. But then, so did a number of Apple laptops.
And I had one Garmin unit fail when the power plug filled with water. Smoked it right there in the handlebar. I had another Garmin fail when the screen leaked and the unit filled with water. I could buy a couple of Android devices for what it was going to cost just to repair that Garmin.
So yea, the Android makes a LOT of sense to me.
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I won't keep reposting the EBay link I've already posted above for ITSEC, but there is the TomTom Rider for $299 with all of the gear you need to make it work on the motorcycle. The TomTom has never failed in pouring rain, the cradle has never broken, the connection has never filled up with water.
It's easily 1/2 the price of a Garmin dedicated Moto GPS or an Phone (Iphone or Samsung). I understand some folks want a slightly larger screen, but for the features/reliability/price, it's hard to beat.
Today I just did a backup of the GPS and even uploaded the latest maps...since it's lifetime free maps...what could be easier. On top of which, you could even download John Cleese for verbal instructions if it's too hard to read!
Manuel...Polly...tu rn right I say!! :)
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I see a lot of folks using their cell phons for navigation on a motorcycle. They obviously feel comfortable with that arrangement. I don't. The cell phone is my hand held computer with a huge amount of data/stuff for my daily life. I don't like the idea of having that device out where it might decide to take a walk. It's like putting a IPad on the bike...way more capability than needed and way too much to lose. I'm stuck in the rut of one device for one use. The GPS does a great job (mostly) of answering my navigation questions, no matter where I am. My phone...not so much. Two weeks ago I was in a radio quiet zone. No cell coverage. GPS worked just fine. This was important because we were way out in hell and beyond, on a 1 lane road, and getting quite lost. We are talking Deliverance territory. The GPS worked. I have had similar problems on other trips. No cell coverage but the GPS works. Along those same lines, SPOT Tracker seems to work everywhere. Bottom line, I'll pay the price for a dedicated GPS navigation device. Maybe not Garmin. I have seen some ads for Chinese GPS that are motorcycle specific and really inexpensive. Maybe someone here will try that out and spare me the joy of being the first. Heck, you only have a few bucks on the line and it's for a good cause...(Guzzi Content).
Apparently you have not figured out that the Navigation apps for cell phones download maps and don't need a cell connection to work. If your GPS will work, so will the cell phone app. And yes, for most of the apps you get lifetime map downloads.
Again, price is not comparable. If you already have a phone you only have to buy the app. So, several hundred for the GPS or less than $50 for an app. Yes, your current phone may not be shock, water or dust resistant. Mine is and when you get your next phone you can get one too. Or, like Wayne mentioned, you can go online and get rugged phones for very little money. No, you don't need to buy it with a service plan if you don't want to. And, yes, you can get different voices for directions as well.
It still surprises me how much misinformation there is about phones.
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I like my Garmin motorcycle GPS units, when they work. My Zumo 550 was replaced twice, at $150 each time. If and when my Zumo 665 has issues, I plan selling it for parts or something. But not going to buy another motorcycle GPS. I never buy at full retail for the Garmin motorcycle GPS units. And automotive units can be had for very cheap. And most have lifetime maps. Many with lifetime traffic.
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Apparently you have not figured out that the Navigation apps for cell phones download maps and don't need a cell connection to work. If your GPS will work, so will the cell phone app. And yes, for most of the apps you get lifetime map downloads.
Again, price is not comparable. If you already have a phone you only have to buy the app. So, several hundred for the GPS or less than $50 for an app. Yes, your current phone may not be shock, water or dust resistant. Mine is and when you get your next phone you can get one too. Or, like Wayne mentioned, you can go online and get rugged phones for very little money. No, you don't need to buy it with a service plan if you don't want to. And, yes, you can get different voices for directions as well.
It still surprises me how much misinformation there is about phones.
Or how much tracking and information gathering the 'phones' do.
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Or how much tracking and information gathering the 'phones' do.
This is something I didn't bring up, since my main point was Garmin's questionable (in my eyes) business practices.
As an information security, privacy, governance and compliance professional of several decades standing, guess what is never turned on on my smartphone? Location services. I can't stop anyone from localizing me to a tower group, but I'm durned if I'm gonna tell Google (or anyone else) my position accurate to 5 meters every few minutes. When I use my SPOT satellite tracker, I can choose who sees that data and exactly how much of it they can see.
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This is something I didn't bring up, since my main point was Garmin's questionable (in my eyes) business practices.
As an information security, privacy, governance and compliance professional of several decades standing, guess what is never turned on on my smartphone? Location services. I can't stop anyone from localizing me to a tower group, but I'm durned if I'm gonna tell Google (or anyone else) my position accurate to 5 meters every few minutes. When I use my SPOT satellite tracker, I can choose who sees that data and exactly how much of it they can see.
GPS only works one direction. A pure GPS device cannot collect and send any data unless it has a cell plan & built in phone.
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When I use my SPOT satellite tracker, I can choose who sees that data and exactly how much of it they can see....
.... or so it says here ....
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GPS only works one direction. A pure GPS device cannot collect and send any data unless it has a cell plan & built in phone.
Certainly - which is why I made my remarks about using a smartphone to replace a GPS. The satellite tracker is a different matter, since it is specifically for the purpose of sending GPS information it collects.
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(From ITSec) When I use my SPOT satellite tracker, I can choose who sees that data and exactly how much of it they can see....
.... or so it says here ....
Well, at least it would take a court order to get more of it than I choose to share. That, and the gang at SPOT purge their data regularly. They also don't sell it, or correlate it with any other data about me (*cough* Google, *cough cough* Apple). Mostly that's because they have no other data about me to use to correlate it! Running SPOT tracking info through SPOTwalla allows much more fine-grain control over what data can be seen too.
From the SPOT website: "SPOT archives your data for only 30 days, we encourage you to save your Tracks with SPOT Adventures where you can create an adventure and save it forever, or download your data to your desktop for use outside of your SPOT account."
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Well, at least it would take a court order to get more of it than I choose to share. That, and the gang at SPOT purge their data regularly. They also don't sell it, or correlate it with any other data about me (*cough* Google, *cough cough* Apple). Mostly that's because they have no other data about me to use to correlate it! Running SPOT tracking info through SPOTwalla allows much more fine-grain control over what data can be seen too.
From the SPOT website: "SPOT archives your data for only 30 days, we encourage you to save your Tracks with SPOT Adventures where you can create an adventure and save it forever, or download your data to your desktop for use outside of your SPOT account."
You're a trusting soul ... ! But if it's working for you, keep gittin' it! I'm not wearing one of those beacons and trusting everyone I tell to keep their eyes closed to not peek like they said they wouldn't ... In this case, my suspicions correlate with my habits anyhow; I don't own one.
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As an IT pro I am surprised that you think you can hide your location. Anyone who really wants it will get it. You are just keeping the honest people out (and they dont want your location anyway).
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And if you have a bluetooth communicator in your helmet, you can get driving instructions from your phone (stashed in a tank/tail bag) that way. Not like looking at a map, but if you have a destination in mind, you can have the nice lady tell you how to get there.
Rich A
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My old Garmin Garmin 60CA is still working like a champ after over 20 years. The maps are only the most basic (interstates and US highways) and the small screen requires cheater sunglasses, but it is excellent as a trip computer, a compass, an altimeter, and a clock. I still use the mount and fused charging cable I bought from Cycoactive all those years ago. Along with a compact atlas, this unit remains a useful tool when traveling.
The Garmin NAV5 that I have on my BMW is the only dedicated motorcycling unit I've owned. I'm still getting to know all the nuances, but really like it so far. It does all the regular GPS stuff, but also can display information that comes from the bike's instruments (e.g.: tire pressure, trip miles, speed, etc). It is controlled by a selector wheel on the left handlebar. And yes; the ability to use the touch screen with gloves is a plus...
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As an IT pro I am surprised that you think you can hide your location. Anyone who really wants it will get it. You are just keeping the honest people out (and they dont want your location anyway).
That's sort of what I was saying. I don't have to worry about mobiles, but I have to assume that people are looking at everything I type from my desktop on every website to see how they can "take" me.
You can't prevent it; all you can do is take out "insurance" (for me, in the form of a relationship with my bank and financial advisor) in case you do get "hit" as a result of data getting stolen.
Lannis
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That's impressive
Ok here's a question, I want a good bright GPS or app that doesn't require a package to service it e.g. cell coverage what do I buy.
I currently use an old TomTom car unit but it's not nearly bright enough. I don't mind spending a few bucks for a good one recommended here.
Sent from my shoe phone!
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That's impressive
Ok here's a question, I want a good bright GPS or app that doesn't require a package to service it e.g. cell coverage what do I buy.
I currently use an old TomTom car unit but it's not nearly bright enough. I don't mind spending a few bucks for a good one recommended here.
Sent from my shoe phone!
Scroll up a bit and you'll see the link I posted for the TomTom Rider...$299 USD.
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Well, at least it would take a court order to get more of it than I choose to share. That, and the gang at SPOT purge their data regularly. They also don't sell it, or correlate it with any other data about me (*cough* Google, *cough cough* Apple). Mostly that's because they have no other data about me to use to correlate it! Running SPOT tracking info through SPOTwalla allows much more fine-grain control over what data can be seen too.
From the SPOT website: "SPOT archives your data for only 30 days, we encourage you to save your Tracks with SPOT Adventures where you can create an adventure and save it forever, or download your data to your desktop for use outside of your SPOT account."
I've used a SPOT device since they came out...very helpful to keep family members apprised when on expeditions (4x4 adventures with 911 option) deep into the mountains or desert, and just for convenience when on the moto long distance trips. It provides them peace of mind to see, and fun for them to see how the trip is progressing. If you're really worried about someone hacking your SPOT tracker to try and hunt you down or see where you've been riding or travelling, I think that's paranoid...I mean by the time they see where you've been, you're long gone, it's not like it has a predictor on where you are going. And yes, they can see where you started, but they certainly don't need your SPOT to figure out your home address.
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Ok here's a question, I want a good bright GPS or app that doesn't require a package to service it e.g. cell coverage what do I buy.
I use the CoPilot app on an Android. No cell connection needed. I know a LOT of people that do this and do not even turn on the cell phone radio. Can't be tracked, if you are one of those people. A number of cheap devices can be read in direct sunlight.
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...very helpful to keep family members apprised when on expeditions (4x4 adventures with 911 option) deep into the mountains or desert, and just for convenience when on the moto long distance trips. It provides them peace of mind to see ....
Well, there's paranoid, and then there's other paranoid.
This thing where every time we pull up to a stop, or in the campground at night, men have to go off somewhere where they can get a cell signal and say "I need to check in with my wife, she'll worry herself sick if she doesn't hear from me ...." I mean, what's that all about? Fay and I been married 41 years and we love each other, and we're concerned for each other, but everyone hyperventilating if they don't hear from each other every 8 or 12 hours, or make sure the spot on the map keeps moving?
People didn't used to be like that, I don't think. And it has nothing to do with a loss of love or concern, it has more to do with the same sort of sense that's being called "paranoia" when discussing people using your data to steal from or harm you.
When I go off to a rally, it might be 5 days or a week before Fay hears from me. I have an ICE card in my helmet and in my wallet, and the State Police and hospitals have excellent communication capability, so if something happens that she needs to know about, she'll know.
Otherwise I'll come home, and download my pictures, and we'll have a cozy "welcome home" evening and look at the pics and hear all about it.
Sure, some people "prefer" to talk every day, but it's not like "Well, I'll call home when I get a chance", it's more like "I HAVE TO call home ... " and their fingers fidget and they can't think of anything else until they do it ... ?
Just not me ...
Lannis
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Scroll up a bit and you'll see the link I posted for the TomTom Rider...$299 USD.
Thanks PJPR01, I just ordered one
I like the TomTom I have at the moment, must be at least 15 YO except for the dull display, I find it turns On in a fraction of the time it takes my Magelin to wake up.
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Roy
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Well, there's paranoid, and then there's other paranoid.
This thing where every time we pull up to a stop, or in the campground at night, men have to go off somewhere where they can get a cell signal and say "I need to check in with my wife, she'll worry herself sick if she doesn't hear from me ...." I mean, what's that all about? Fay and I been married 41 years and we love each other, and we're concerned for each other, but everyone hyperventilating if they don't hear from each other every 8 or 12 hours, or make sure the spot on the map keeps moving?
People didn't used to be like that, I don't think. And it has nothing to do with a loss of love or concern, it has more to do with the same sort of sense that's being called "paranoia" when discussing people using your data to steal from or harm you.
When I go off to a rally, it might be 5 days or a week before Fay hears from me. I have an ICE card in my helmet and in my wallet, and the State Police and hospitals have excellent communication capability, so if something happens that she needs to know about, she'll know.
Otherwise I'll come home, and download my pictures, and we'll have a cozy "welcome home" evening and look at the pics and hear all about it.
Sure, some people "prefer" to talk every day, but it's not like "Well, I'll call home when I get a chance", it's more like "I HAVE TO call home ... " and their fingers fidget and they can't think of anything else until they do it ... ?
Just not me ...
Lannis
ROFL...truly entertaining...but you're inferring and projecting WAY more than I ever intended to a degree that has nothing to do with the way SPOT is being used. It's simply a tool to help keep people informed just as an FYI, it has little to do with "checking in" because of an obligation to do so. If you want or don't want to talk to your significant other at the end of the day, that's a different requirement than what SPOT is intended to solve!
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ROFL...truly entertaining...but you're inferring and projecting WAY more than I ever intended to a degree that has nothing to do with the way SPOT is being used. It's simply a tool to help keep people informed just as an FYI, it has little to do with "checking in" because of an obligation to do so. If you want or don't want to talk to your significant other at the end of the day, that's a different requirement than what SPOT is intended to solve!
I understand ... I suppose I was (A) Reflexively responding to the use (overuse?) of "Paranoid" and (B) talking in general about the extremely prevalent tendency among my riding peers to HAVE to stay "connected" for peace of mind, whether that be SPOT, GPS, cell phones, whatever .... I hear a lot of "It's just a tool, lighten up", sort of like I would hear "Narcotics are just a medicine, quit worrying about it ..." :boozing: :wink:
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As an IT pro I am surprised that you think you can hide your location. Anyone who really wants it will get it. You are just keeping the honest people out (and they dont want your location anyway).
The 'honest' people DO want your location - it's used everyday in selling ads and in identifying marketing opportunities among other things. How often do you visit a home improvement store? How often do you get fast food? These and many other things can be inferred from the time, duration and location of your smartphone.
Hide? No - no more than having a top quality deadbolt will keep a professional burglar out. It will send a certain number of less prepared thieves looking for easier pickings. The point in either case is to weed out the casual types, what in my trade are sometimes called 'script kiddies'. It's to prevent or at least reduce the amount of information available to so-called 'legitimate' data brokers. It's all about due diligence, not absolute protection.
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GPS only works one direction. A pure GPS device cannot collect and send any data unless it has a cell plan & built in phone.
Not so, The spot communicates via satellite. First of ll it figures out where it is then sends the co-ordinats to the satellite and from there to Spot headquarters I assume.
When you receive a message you can zoom in to about 10 feet.
From the driveway of the house in John Day where we stopped for the night
It also lets you know the message has gone, again by satellite
Device Name: Roy's Spot
Latitude: 44.42302
Longitude: -118.95538
GPS location Date/Time: 08/21/2017 07:52:41 PDT
Message: This is where Ross, Kevin & Roy are at the moment on their Aotearoa trip
Here's a typical message, don't take too much notice of the pre-amble, i forgot to reset it.
Click the link below to see where I am located.
http://fms.ws/mWYh_/44.42302N/118.95538W
If the above link does not work, try this link:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=44.42302,-118.95538&ll=44.42302,-118.95538&ie=UTF8&z=12&om=1
You have received this message because "Roy's Spot" has attempted to contact you.
FindMeSPOT.com
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Not so, The spot communicates via satellite. First of ll it figures out where it is then sends the co-ordinats to the satellite and from there to Spot headquarters I assume.
When you receive a message you can zoom in to about 10 feet.
But a Spot is not a pure GPS device. As stated, a pure GPS receiver has no ability to transmit your information. None, zero. In fact I worked as an EMC engineer, and tested a number of them for a number of companies, and that was one thing I verified. They do not transmit anything.
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Look what popped into my email this AM:
http://www.gpscity.com/garmin-montana-600-newly-overhauled
If I didn't already have one, I'd buy this in a heartbeat.
Best,
Carlo
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So it uses the GPS satellites but it's not a GPS device, me thinks you are splitting hairs here. It certainly has no cellular connection, will work out in the middle of the Atlantic with no cell coverage.
BTW Spot only sends your location when you ask it to although you can get tracking if you wish, 99% of the time the power is off on mine.
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So it uses the GPS satellites but it's not a GPS device, me thinks you are splitting hairs here. It certainly has no cellular connection, will work out in the middle of the Atlantic with no cell coverage.
No, I am saying the Spot is a GPS device. PLUS it has a transmitter to upload your location occasionally.
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Ok, I agree it's pretty useless as a navigation tool which is what this threads about, but it's saved a few lives.
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Not so, The spot communicates via satellite. First of ll it figures out where it is then sends the co-ordinats to the satellite and from there to Spot headquarters I assume.
When you receive a message you can zoom in to about 10 feet.
From the driveway of the house in John Day where we stopped for the night
It also lets you know the message has gone, again by satellite
Device Name: Roy's Spot
Latitude: 44.42302
Longitude: -118.95538
GPS location Date/Time: 08/21/2017 07:52:41 PDT
Message: This is where Ross, Kevin & Roy are at the moment on their Aotearoa trip
Here's a typical message, don't take too much notice of the pre-amble, i forgot to reset it.
Click the link below to see where I am located.
http://fms.ws/mWYh_/44.42302N/118.95538W
If the above link does not work, try this link:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=44.42302,-118.95538&ll=44.42302,-118.95538&ie=UTF8&z=12&om=1
You have received this message because "Roy's Spot" has attempted to contact you.
FindMeSPOT.com
Spot is not only a GPS device, it also transmits to non GPS satellites. GPS satellites only transmit signals.