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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Moto Fugazzi on September 30, 2017, 11:18:55 AM
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I ran across this website whilse looking for a Schuberth replacement part. http://www.warsagardenbungalows.com/schuberth-c-9.html
Seems kind of sketchy, as they seem to have 1000's of discontinued Schuberth helmets at a great price. Can't find where they are based out of, but they have free worldwide shipping.
Ken
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Those prices are incredibly low. My concern would be that the helmets are old, and have gone past Schuberth's acceptable "sell by" date. I don't mean to start an argument here, but many helmet manufacturers claim that a helmet should not be used if it is more than five years old. Unsold new helmets older than that are often blown out at low prices.
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Don't think I'd be headed there. Prices seem too good to be true.
Grey market? Scam? Don't know but a very quick search for the website or IP for warsagardenbungalow s dot com didn't come up positive... however, if you are in Bali there is a nice resort of the same name.
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Those prices are incredibly low. My concern would be that the helmets are old, and have gone past Schuberth's acceptable "sell by" date. I don't mean to start an argument here, but many helmet manufacturers claim that a helmet should not be used if it is more than five years old. Unsold new helmets older than that are often blown out at low prices.
Agreed. My BMW dealer had some old stock Schuberths for $100 the other day.
I ride nearly every day, and like to change helmets every three years max, so would no be end of world for me to buy a three year old helmet. Personally, I believe the degredation of the helmet is much faster after real wear with human sweat, oils and grease in the lining. Sitting new in the box is much better than being used every day.
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Wow...really tempting... The M3 I’m interested in at Revzila is $499, at this site $108. I’ve done much stupider things with $108. I’d feel better if they had a PayPal option... What’s the worst that could happen? If it’s losing $108, like I said, I’ve done stupider things... If more than that could happen, no thank you...
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I gave it a shot, I used a credit card with a low limit on it and picked up an E1. So far the ordering process seems legit and didn't give me that "you just screwed your life up" feeling. Which, I have certainly had. I will monitor the situation closely, and if anything unexpected or super great happens will report back.
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My guess would be scam of some flavor. Utrider, interested to hear what you find.
Believe it's a scam for a couple reasons.
Incredibly low prices. That's way outside "discounted" range.
Odd name for a helmet seller
Even odder that it's the same name as a resort.
The home page is selling Converse shoes.
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In looking at the other merchandise, I believe it is an overstock type seller. Picked up a large quantity of items, deeply discounted and blowing it out. Of course they could be on a beach somewhere, laughing at the silly American who just gave them his credit card info............wil lingly! LOL
The reason I believe it is legit, is the organization of the pages, and website actually flows and works well. I have received an email confirmation, with the information they presented confirmed by the credit card I used. So I guess so far so good.
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FWIW, whois had this info on it.
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Registrant Name: Cynthia Huffman Registrant Organization: Cynthia Huffman Registrant Street: 4932 Coburn Hollow Road Registrant City: Benson Registrant State/Province: IL Registrant Postal Code: 61516 Registrant Country: US Registrant Phone: +1.3093942752 Registrant Email: zongchiwei934602@163.com
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Illinois address but... chinese? email address.
163.com has this registration info
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Registrant Name: Domain Admin Registrant Organization: Guangzhou NetEase Computer System Co., Ltd Registrant Street: No. 16, Keyun Road, Tianhe District, Registrant City: Guangzhou Registrant State/Province: Guangdong Registrant Postal Code: 510665 Registrant Country: CN Registrant Phone: +86.2085106241 Registrant Fax: +86.2085106241 Registrant Email: nsadmin@corp.netease.com
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In looking at the other merchandise, I believe it is an overstock type seller. ..... So I guess so far so good.
Best o luck!
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I gave it a shot, I used a credit card with a low limit on it and picked up an E1. So far the ordering process seems legit and didn't give me that "you just screwed your life up" feeling. Which, I have certainly had. I will monitor the situation closely, and if anything unexpected or super great happens will report back.
Let us know the results when you get it ASAP!
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I have a buddy that purchased a bargain Schuberth helmet off of ebay. When it arrived, it did not have the DOT approval sticker. Not a big deal, but in Washington state, it can be a problem. Should you get stopped and you are not wearing a DOT approved helmet you cannot ride the bike until someone brings you a DOT helmet or you can have the bike towed. The helmet came from Europe, he sent it back and got is money back.
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I gave it a shot, I used a credit card with a low limit on it and picked up an E1. So far the ordering process seems legit and didn't give me that "you just screwed your life up" feeling. Which, I have certainly had. I will monitor the situation closely, and if anything unexpected or super great happens will report back.
let us know how it goes. The site lists Revzilla as a vendor but RZ has no discounts on their site. (?)
Those prices are incredible. $400+ helmets for a little more than $100. $700 hat for a couple hundred.
I am not that concerned about the date or DOT sticker so long as they are legit Schuberths. I would like to know the differences between models and how they fit since I know little about the brand other than reputation and they are modular helmets.
The silver and green one looks perfect for the Greenie.
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... so long as they are legit Schuberths.
That's it: I wouldn't be surprised if these are fake copies, just like you can buy "authentic" iphones, rolex watches, etc etc.
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I have a buddy that purchased a bargain Schuberth helmet off of ebay. When it arrived, it did not have the DOT approval sticker. Not a big deal, but in Washington state, it can be a problem. Should you get stopped and you are not wearing a DOT approved helmet you cannot ride the bike until someone brings you a DOT helmet or you can have the bike towed. The helmet came from Europe, he sent it back and got is money back.
Pete's been stopped several times by WSP while wearing a European import Schubert with no DOT sticker. Trooper never batted an eye. I took the DOT sticker off my Schuberth a few days after I bought it. (It interfered with a sticker I wanted to put on it. :-) ) Been stopped a couple times, never asked about it either.
From what my officers and deputies are telling me, they only time they give a rats about the sticker is when one is wearing a helmet that looks questionable. You're wearing a FF or modular? They don't care. Wearing a minimalist shell that would give you less protection than a bicycle helmet? Yeah, they may ask questions.
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Let us know the results when you get it ASAP!
Ditto on the update
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Ditto on the update
:popcorn:
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Looks like the Columbia stuff is targeted to the UK. Same with the Converse.
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Yes, please let us know what happens with your order. Too good to be real, just like the pristine Eldorado for $1500 I found online recently. Guangdong is also a red flag. I have bought IWC, Panerai, Breitling, Bell & Ross... all for about $15ea. while in that region (Shenzhen knock off mall). Masters of reproduction. Most quit after a few months, makes me wonder about the helmets on the website.
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This is tempting! there are a few shuberth helmets for about $130. ! Thats a pretty amazing price when many of the face shields for those helmets cost almost a hundred bucks.!
Rick.
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I can't buy things like helmets and shoes mail-order. I have to try the fit. But if I was a mail order guy, I'd let someone else do it first to see if the product is legit. I bought a Nolan 104 because the Schuberth was too expensive at the base price, and by the time I computed the cost of the other Schuberth farkles it was way beyond my means. These prices are unreasonably low by comparison.
$0.02
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On Sat, I sent them a question via their contact info. No response yet.
Rich A
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I was also not willing to buy a helmet without trying one on. But, when the Schuberth C3's went on closeout pricing I bought one. Best decision I ever made as that thing fit me like they used my head for the mould.
If I needed a new helmet I'd be paying attention to this thread closely.
FWIW, Schuberth sizing is NOT the same as everyone else's. Check their charts and measure your head. I fit an XL instead of a L. The C3 seemed to be a little more oval than round. YMMV.
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On Sat, I sent them a question via their contact info. No response yet.
Rich A
Still no response. Not ordering until I do.
RA
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I suppose it's all a scam.
But how brazen is it that anyone can just post ads for fake stuff and scams and get away with it like it's a normal business? It's like legalized robbery with no legal protection.
Are we at the point that so long as someone calls themselves a business that he has a license to steal?
A few months ago I was getting scam phone calls claiming to be the IRS. There was literally no one that I could report it to.
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Well, while I was optimistic that a shiny new E1 would be on my doorstep within a few days, I don't think it's going to happen. My credit card still shows the charge as pending, and my "order status" with the good folks at Warsa Gardens hasn't changed. I sent them an email as well with no response.
I think my credit card fraud department sniffed out the fraud, and stopped the processing on this end.
If anything changes or I get a response I will post up the results.
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I gave it a shot, I used a credit card with a low limit on it and picked up an E1. So far the ordering process seems legit and didn't give me that "you just screwed your life up" feeling. Which, I have certainly had. I will monitor the situation closely, and if anything unexpected or super great happens will report back.
Curious if you received any kind of tracking number or shipping confirmation yet.
Ken
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No, I did not. Just when I log in to my account, it shows the order and it does show "payment successful" but, as I said above, my credit card still shows it pending.
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Interesting update to this. I have received responses, and a shipping confirmation number. It has been going into my spam folder. The confirmation number was posted this morning, originating in China.
Curious to see how this turns out.
No DOT sticker, don't really care though. If I have to have one, Amazon has them available.
The plot thickens!
If this thing shows up, I will be sure to let everyone know. It looks like there is plenty of stock on hand so no need for any of you to put your neck on the chopping block.
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I am watching for your response UT rider. I hope it all works out fine, then I will order one myself. Thank you sir for being the "guinea pig" for us all.
:popcorn:
Rick.
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I am watching for your response UT rider. I hope it all works out fine, then I will order one myself. Thank you sir for being the "guinea pig" for us all.
:popcorn:
Rick.
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^ Same here!
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I got a generic response to my question--they didn't actually answer the question.
Rich A
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I noted the "stock on hand" figures on the site. I doubt that Schuberth makes that many helmets. The figure for the SR2 was something like 6,000. I too am anxiously waiting to see what, if anything, you get for your money.
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Schuberth helmets are made in Germany, should we assume that these are knock offs?
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The usual list price for an SR2 is $800+. The site offers them for $240. It's hard to see how $240 could be a legitimate price for a real Schuberth. The cautious cheapskates are waiting ...
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If it walks like a duck, quacks likes a duck, well hell this has SCAM written all over it. Helmets are priced well below wholesale, so where did they get current model lids at this price? No way would I sent them my credit card info. Good luck would love a new Shoe lid at this price, but dreamers and screamers and daydream believers beware.
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^ "Refurbished" helmets, a la Apple and others? "A little filler and paint should do the trick."
Still, if they have thousands available, they are not "refers" but something else. Hopefully new and made in Germany. Anxiously awaiting our test case!
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Vaporwear?
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Schuberth helmets are made in Germany, should we assume that these are knock offs?
The prices seem too good even for knockoffs. Imagine how much tooling would be required to reproduce all those models, not to mention the electronics.
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I placed an order. After entering credit card info, the website kicked me back to the shopping cart, apparently asking for credit card info again.
But at the same time I got an order confirmation via email.
We'll see.
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I got a generic response to my question--they didn't actually answer the question.
Rich A
I did get an answer to my question, so that's a positive sign.
Rich
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DONT DO IT.....
I just got scammed with "incredibly" great deals on Premier helmets. Chinese scammer although the business was supposed to be in California
Two e-mails from China and 2 months later no helmet.
Got the confirmation emails too.
Like this BS.
Dear friend,
Thanks a lot for your strong support.We have dispatched your order already，and the tracking number is XL635422688CN
Please just track it in this website as below: http://www.ems.com.cn/english.html
Once you receive your parcel,could you please let me know???
Best regards,
yours sincerely
anne@discounts-agents.com
Products
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1 x Premier Vintage Pin Up Motorcycle Helmets & Accessories Jet White (Premier-Vintage-Pin-Up-0001) = $100.67
Your size XL
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Sub-Total: $100.67
Table Rate (Free Shipping): $0.00
Total: $100.67
DONT DO IT.....
They must have moved into next suckers and next helmet brand. Very similar website.
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I agree don’t do it. I also saw the Premier site and tried to email and tried to get response to questions - nada.
If a site doesn’t list an address plus a phone number it should be avoided without second thought.
Now about increasing size and stamina....... :drool:
Mark
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My credit card company flagged the site as insecure and declined payment. They're sending me a new card.
I ran a who-is on the site. The domain is named for a resort in Bali, and lists a non-existent address in Illinois as domain owner. The email address is a generic server in China, analogous to hotmail or yahoo.com.
So I got burned but no harm done except the inconvenience of not having use of that card for a few days.
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I saw this warning about a fraudulent Schuberth website, which is "selling" and offering Schuberth products at super low costs on FB this morning.
(http://thumb.ibb.co/kCPy3w/fullsizeoutput_20196.jpg) (http://ibb.co/kCPy3w)
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I’m out. Thanks for everbody’s responses.
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Any helmets arrive yet?
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No, the shipping info says it has left Pudong, but hasn't been updated for 2 days. This is the latest. I must admit, I'm just curious at this point what is coming. This is from a shipping site, that uses a Chinese to English translator.
2017-10-12 07:14
Shanghai Pudong, left
2017-10-12 07:14
Shanghai Pudong, left hand navigation
2017-10-11 19:42
Shanghai Pudong, reach
2017-10-11 17:00
Ningbo Exchange Bureau, have been exported directly
2017-10-11 10:12
China postal express and logistics company, Ningbo international mail processing centre has been exported to open
2017-10-09 22:45
Commercial advertising company, zhenhai district, left, the next station "Zhen Hai"
2017-10-09 19:12
Commercial advertising company, zhenhai district,
2017-10-09 18:44
Commercial advertising company, zhenhai district, has received send
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No, the shipping info says it has left Pudong, but hasn't been updated for 2 days. This is the latest. I must admit, I'm just curious at this point what is coming. This is from a shipping site, that uses a Chinese to English translator.
2017-10-12 07:14
Shanghai Pudong, left
2017-10-12 07:14
Shanghai Pudong, left hand navigation
2017-10-11 19:42
Shanghai Pudong, reach
2017-10-11 17:00
Ningbo Exchange Bureau, have been exported directly
2017-10-11 10:12
China postal express and logistics company, Ningbo international mail processing centre has been exported to open
2017-10-09 22:45
Commercial advertising company, zhenhai district, left, the next station "Zhen Hai"
2017-10-09 19:12
Commercial advertising company, zhenhai district,
2017-10-09 18:44
Commercial advertising company, zhenhai district, has received send
Any news?
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You will lose the money and get shitty fake shirt and Oakley sunglasses on your doorsteps.
I warned you guys.
Don't be me.
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What's it worth to have your curiosity satisfied?
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I could answer that, but it'll cost you
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So...what makes an $800 German helmet better than a $300 helmet for the average rider who buys a new helmet every 5 years?
On the DOT sticker, at the land speed racing tracks, a DOT sticker is meaningless, only helmets with the latest Snell or European equivalent rating are accepted...
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So...what makes an $800 German helmet better than a $300 helmet for the average rider who buys a new helmet every 5 years?
On the DOT sticker, at the land speed racing tracks, a DOT sticker is meaningless, only helmets with the latest Snell or European equivalent rating are accepted...
I bought my Schuberth for under $300 on clearance.The fit is perfect for me (most comfortable helmet I've ever worn). They also have a 5 year warranty which includes them replacing your helmet if you get in an accident.
Would I spend $800? I don't have that kind of spare cash. Around $300 is the most I can afford and rationalize spending on a helmet.
Ken
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I got a Schuberth helmet for about $ 350 a few years ago.
It's very light, and comfortable, but I've had helmets that have been more quiet.
Then I read recently that Schuberth helmets were not among the safest. Oddly enough, a cheap one from one of the cheap chains was.
According to tests.
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From pebra:
Oddly enough, a cheap one from one of the cheap chains was.
What brand was it?
GliderJohn
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I got my Schuberth C3 on close-out at Revzilla for $329. It is a great helmet, and I have added the convenient Schuberth SRC system to it. However, I would not want to spend more than that on a helmet.
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From pebra:What brand was it?
GliderJohn
Here's where I read about it
https://www.naf.no/forbrukertester/test-av-utstyr/test-av-hjelmer-for-motorsykkel/
It appears that they have tested eight helmets on the Scandinavian market. Best marks to Shoei NXR and HJC FG-ST.
Then there's the LS2 Rookie, a relatively inexpensive model from a brand I hadn't heard about.
And the one I had in mind: Biltema VCAN 82991, i.e. the helmet carries the chain's name, it's not a helmet brand. About $ 125, that's inexpensive here. Biltema is a Swedish chain selling inexpensive car parts and tools and additionally lots of junk for the house, you hopefully get the picture.
Schuberth C3 Basic did not pass their test.
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Did all of the Shoei helmets pass or just that one? I would agree that a modular is not as 'safe' as a FF. Glad I never had to test the concept.
I also thought my Schuberth was the most comfortable and nicest to use helmet I owned or tried out. Didn't hurt that it fit me perfectly with no mods at all. I also got it for $350, not $800, so it was also the best deal I ever got on one.
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@ Charlie B
As I understand it they only tested 8 models, so only that one Shoei model.
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So...what makes an $800 German helmet better than a $300 helmet for the average rider who buys a new helmet every 5 years?
On the DOT sticker, at the land speed racing tracks, a DOT sticker is meaningless, only helmets with the latest Snell or European equivalent rating are accepted...
Depends on what you want. I wanted a modular that had a built in face shield was quiet, light and comfortable. The Schuberth was the only one that fit those criteria.
I tried on all the other modulars and most I could not wear for more than a few minutes or they were noticeably heavy.
That's what made it a better helmet. No, it does not protect the head better.
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F Y I this site is crap , i thought to order a Schuberth clear visor and some small locking levers from the for my C3 $38.00 i thought it was worth the risk and the price was great.
after 6 weeks I advised my bank that the product did not show up and they credited my Visa account , so i am not out of pocket.
2 weeks later in the post a package arrived surprisingly ..... in the severely damaged box was a cheap tinted visor for some other brand and no parts ...
i threw it into the bin and am done with it ...
so stay away and remember that there is no free lunch :cool:
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What's the latest from the brave souls who send funds to this site? Anyone cruising with a new Schuberth?
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the local Beemer shop had S3 Shuberts for 1/3 off, like $400-$500 range on black Friday. Duc red. You might call the OKC Beemer store and see if they are still discounted.
I tried one on and thought they were light and comfy. I would have considered one but but have a Shoei mod already.