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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: blackbuell on November 01, 2017, 02:26:26 PM
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I might be buying a 2007 Norge; plan to replace the battery if I do. Got any good recommendations? Also....does anybody still market the startus interruptus harnesses? Anybody got a spare that they want to sell?
Thanks,
Jon
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Jeez mate.
Recently in Norway on mine and I just strolled into a place and asked for the biggest battery that would fit in. I got an Exide 20 A/hr from memory but bike is away on the water so can't check for you.
Whatever you get though, pay heed to Roper's words on allowing the battery to sit overnight before subjecting to charge of any sort. That allows the acid to soak fully into the 'glass mat.
No need to buggerise around with a harness.
Just rip the yellow wire from the relay and insert a FUSED wire from the battery into the recently vacated hole.
Done!
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Lots of battery options available but I wouldn't consider anything but a well proven AGM
The Startus Interuptus fix is still available or you can do your own quite easily.
Huzo beat me too it, Yes Pete advised me against buying anything less than 20 AH for our cold climate.
You could google Yuasa and see what they have for a Norge, that's what I did but I ended up with the Canadian Tire equivalent :thumb:
YTX20CH-BS was what they recommend, the Canadian Tire battery had the same part No so I guess it was a re-branded Yuasa.
You will need to pull the rear end off and fill the bearings with grease, I can offer you my $10 shop stand design for doing that.
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Look into MotoBat brand have installed in Norge & Stelvio.
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Steve,
MotoBatt lists one battery (MBTX16U) for 2009-2016 Norge. Is there any reason why it wouldn't work for a 2007 model?
Thanks,
Jon
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I've got a spare unused MPH Startus Interruptus if you need one.
Battery...I just bought an AGM for mine as a backup for the Shorai Lithium one (obviously much lighter in weight though), mine is a 2008. I would think it's the exact same battery, you can find one at your local Autozone/O'Reilly's will have it.
Cheers...
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I use Motobatt, always
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I have an Odyssey 680 in my Norge
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Hi, Jon
Met you a few years back at the NE Ohio Guzzi breakfast in Kent. Glad to see you're back among the fold with your purchase of a Norge. I don't recall ...... did you sell your original Norge?
Re battery, I've had fairly good luck with the battery that came with my 1200 Sport, which was manufactured by Yuasa.
I think I have info on that battery if you want it.
Glad to see you back with us.
Bob
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Steve,
MotoBatt lists one battery (MBTX16U) for 2009-2016 Norge. Is there any reason why it wouldn't work for a 2007 model?
Thanks,
Jon
All the same batt
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Steve,
MotoBatt lists one battery (MBTX16U) for 2009-2016 Norge. Is there any reason why it wouldn't work for a 2007 model?
Thanks,
Jon
Yes, that's what I have been running in mine for a number of years now. I especially like the second set of terminals. Makes adding direct connections very easy.
jdg
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Thanks all for info.
Bob,
I certainly remember you. BTW, my youngest daughter lives up your way in Aurora. Last May I decided to hang on to my 2009 Norge until I put over 100,000 miles on the ODO; a few weeks later my wife and I were riding home at night on I-75 from the dirt track race in Lexington, and a deer decided to run in front of us; totaled the bike and damn near totaled us, did total the doe. IMO, 2-valve Norges are great road bikes; I just closed a deal to buy a 2007 and am anxious to make everything on it just right (it does suffer from startus interruptus).
I'll check out the Yuasa along with the other ones recommended here.
Jon
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Thanks all for info.
Bob,
I certainly remember you. BTW, my youngest daughter lives up your way in Aurora. Last May I decided to hang on to my 2009 Norge until I put over 100,000 miles on the ODO; a few weeks later my wife and I were riding home at night on I-75 from the dirt track race in Lexington, and a deer decided to run in front of us; totaled the bike and damn near totaled us, did total the doe. IMO, 2-valve Norges are great road bikes; I just closed a deal to buy a 2007 and am anxious to make everything on it just right (it does suffer from startus interruptus).
I'll check out the Yuasa along with the other ones recommended here.
Jon
I don't know how I forgot about your get-off with the deer. I remember your post when it happened. It appears you're in fine shape after such a mishap. Hope that holds true for your wife, too.
Never ridden a Norge, but my 1200 Sport uses a lot of the same components, and has been a great machine, admittedly with 35,000 miles less than your 09 had when it 'departed' this world.
Bob
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My V50 II is fitted with an 8-cell Anti-Gravity Lithium battery. Performance has been outstanding since I put her on the road last July. Very strong starts, charges perfectly and holds the charge better than AGM/LA. I think the 12-cell unit would be more suitable for your Norge's power requirements.
I reckon you could save around 10 pounds by replacing your current battery with a lithium equivalent. The diminutive size of the lithium battery means you can mount it anywhere, in any orientation, and then use the space vacated in your battery box for something useful - eg, on-board luggage, etc.
Other than the rather spendy cost of a lithium battery and the need for a special charger, I can see no downside to fitting your bike with a lithium battery (unless perhaps you plan to ride in extremely cold temps.) For reasons I don't quite understand, there appears to be considerable conservatism on this forum and reluctance to move forward from traditional battery technology. I see no reason why both modern and older-generation Guzzis should not benefit from this now-mature, advanced battery technology.
https://shop.revzilla.com/motorcycle/antigravity-small-case-12-cell-360ca-lithium-ion-battery
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My V50 II is fitted with an 8-cell Anti-Gravity Lithium battery. Performance has been outstanding since I put her on the road last July. Very strong starts, charges perfectly and holds the charge better than AGM/LA. I think the 12-cell unit would be more suitable for your Norge's power requirements.
I reckon you could save around 10 pounds by replacing your current battery with a lithium equivalent. The diminutive size of the lithium battery means you can mount it anywhere, in any orientation, and then use the space vacated in your battery box for something useful - eg, on-board luggage, etc.
Other than the rather spendy cost of a lithium battery and the need for a special charger, I can see no downside to fitting your bike with a lithium battery (unless perhaps you plan to ride in extremely cold temps.) For reasons I don't quite understand, there appears to be considerable conservatism on this forum and reluctance to move forward from traditional battery technology. I see no reason why both modern and older-generation Guzzis should not benefit from this now-mature, advanced battery technology.
https://shop.revzilla.com/motorcycle/antigravity-small-case-12-cell-360ca-lithium-ion-battery
My experience with a lithium battery in my 1200 Sport has cured me of trying it again. For me, cold meant anything below 55 degrees wouldn't allow for a start.
While the older bikes may have no problem, the starter logic on my 1200 Sport meant that the starter would not spin if the ECU did not sense enough battery power. So this means that the battery never got that load to allow it to warm up and provide full power.
While the batteries may be great for a number of machines, my 1200 Sport (and probably the Norge in this thread) is not one of them. I really wanted it to work out, but alas.
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I'm going with the Yuasa; pick up one tomorrow from a local dealership; need it for Saturday morning ride home from Indiana with the "new" Norge. I sure hope this bike fulfills its potential as a long-term cross-country rider.
Jon
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I've had good experience with the Shorai lithium...but it lasted 3 years and then I had a failed cell. What I can't tell for certain is whether that's a normal battery life for a Lithium or not...but Shorai was good...they sent me a refurbed for free, or the chance to buy a new one for 50% of the price per their policy below. I took the free refurb and it's working fine so far. Obviously it's about a 2:1 price ratio for Lithium vs. AGM...but the weight savings is nice.
Shorai has a 5-year Prorated Warranty For Batteries:
1st Year from original purchase date:: Free Replacement unless we determine that the warranty has been voided due to non-compliance. All free replacements require a dated receipt. You must have the correct battery for your vehicle to qualify for full free replacement.
2nd � 5th Year: 50% off of the MSRP of a new battery if we are unable to recover yours.
After 5 Years - Recycle Program: 15% discount and FREE ground shipping (with core exchange)
Shorai has a 1-year Free Replacement Warranty on Chargers, however you may receive Firmware updates or Charger checkups at any time at no cost other than the shipping to us. We cover the shipping to you for all warranties unless expedited shipping is requested.
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I'm going with the Yuasa; pick up one tomorrow from a local dealership; need it for Saturday morning ride home from Indiana with the "new" Norge. I sure hope this bike fulfills its potential as a long-term cross-country rider.
Jon
Mine and the others have done
ok.
Do make sure you do the startus mod, and the swingarm/suspension grease thing.
What colour...(most important) !
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Bisbonian, It is true that in colder temperatures lithium batteries become a bit lethargic. 55 degrees, however, seems quite warm for this phenomenon. My Anti-Gravity starts to show initial low voltage at around 35 degrees.
There is an easy work-around for this behavior. Turning on the headlight hi-beam for 30 -60 seconds before starting will heat up and activate the battery back to quasi -normal voltage and cranking power in colder weather. Starts without problem once the battery is awakened.
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Bisbonian, It is true that in colder temperatures lithium batteries become a bit lethargic. 55 degrees, however, seems quite warm for this phenomenon. My Anti-Gravity starts to show initial low voltage at around 35 degrees.
There is an easy work-around for this behavior. Turning on the headlight hi-beam for 30 -60 seconds before starting will heat up and activate the battery back to quasi -normal voltage and cranking power in colder weather. Starts without problem once the battery is awakened.
Why would you buggerise around when you can buy a Motobat or similar, chuck the bugger in, and just go for a ride...
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A few years back, I put a Shorai in my Breva 1100. I think the first one lasted a couple of years. I got another one and it didn't last that long. My Breva was parked a lot during that time period and something on the bike kept draining the battery. I bought an extremely cheap AGM battery a few months ago and so far so good..I think the brand was Mighty Max and I paid around $44 with shipping.
Edit: After the 1st of the year, My Breva 1100 wouldn't turn over. I charged the battery and cleaned connections but the battery didn't have enough juice to do it's job. I took the smaller battery out of my Shiver and put it in the Breva and it fired right up. The Mighty Max battery had been put on a trickle charger several times while the bike was parked but it ended up dying in under a year.
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Huzo,
It's red, and yes, I will lube the swingarm and shock pivots, and do the SI fix. I'll at least take a look at the alternator belt and the fuel filter; will replace them eventually if not right away. First few items on the agenda: replace tires and all fluids, locktite stand fasteners, install throttlemeister and ram mount for GPS.
It will be nice to have a Guzzi in the garage again,
Jon
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Huzo,
It's red, and yes, I will lube the swingarm and shock pivots, and do the SI fix. I'll at least take a look at the alternator belt and the fuel filter; will replace them eventually if not right away. First few items on the agenda: replace tires and all fluids, locktite stand fasteners, install throttlemeister and ram mount for GPS.
It will be nice to have a Guzzi in the garage again,
Jon
Great !
Is it that nice one from here on the forum ?
Reckon once you do the things you mention, you'll be right to go. Being a Red '07, you might need to investigate the oil pump, but mine's a red '07 and been faultles in that regard.
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Huzo,
Yes, it is the one posted on the forum. It was built in the middle of 2007 (number 113733) ; appears to be outside the cluster of red Norges with the defective oil pumps.
Jon
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Huzo,
Yes, it is the one posted on the forum. It was built in the middle of 2007 (number 113733) ; appears to be outside the cluster of red Norges with the defective oil pumps.
Jon
I'm glad someone decent got it...
What oil do you intend to use? I put a Teo Lamers dip stick extender on mine. Are you keeping the lower fairing panels on ?
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Huzo,
Will likely keep the lowers on; unlike other 2007's that I have seen, it has the hole and plug in the left-side lower panel and the same dipstick that my 2009 Norge had. I don't know if this was a mod that the first owner made, or the ones built late in the model year came like that from the factory.
Jon
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Why would you buggerise around when you can buy a Motobat or similar, chuck the bugger in, and just go for a ride...
Weight savings are material enough in nature between Lithium and standard AGM or standard non AGM. If you don't have extreme cold temps, it's not an issue...and a few more seconds to wait is not a deal breaker.
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There is an easy work-around for this behavior. Turning on the headlight hi-beam for 30 -60 seconds before starting will heat up and activate the battery back to quasi -normal voltage and cranking power in colder weather. Starts without problem once the battery is awakened.
That works IF you can turn on the headlights without the bike being on. On the Norge, no lights (other than parking lights) until the bike is running. No turning on the heated gear (running direct from the battery) will do the trick.
jdg
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Huzo,
Yes, it is the one posted on the forum. It was built in the middle of 2007 (number 113733) ; appears to be outside the cluster of red Norges with the defective oil pumps.
Jon
Mine's 113401
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Same...I'm using one in my Breva 1100 and also have been using Motobatt's in my EV with great success. As a matter of fact I have a spare/new MBTX16U sitting on the shelf in the house if interested.
Brian
Steve,
MotoBatt lists one battery (MBTX16U) for 2009-2016 Norge. Is there any reason why it wouldn't work for a 2007 model?
Thanks,
Jon
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Got the 2007 Norge home from Indiana yesterday; chilly but uneventful 165 mile ride back to KY. Immediately drained all 3 oils; was shocked to see bright green oil from CARC and gearbox; got me concerned. However, Guzzisteve put my mind at ease by telling me about Shockproof brand gear oil. The bike now has new oils in it. Will replace hydraulic fluid later today. Will also check valve clearances and install the new battery I bought yesterday.
Motor is strong; feels stronger than my 2009 did after 54,000 miles. I have read that shocks of 2007 Norges are weak, but I didn't notice any problem on the ride home. Maybe I will notice a difference from the 2009 after I load the bike with wife and gear. Tires are originals, but they weren't too nasty; will replace them come spring. Ordering a Throttlemeister and ram mount for GPS.
Bike has a few scratches; might get affected parts painted. Overall, I am happy with the bike so far.
Jon
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Got the 2007 Norge home from Indiana yesterday; chilly but uneventful 165 mile ride back to KY. Immediately drained all 3 oils; was shocked to see bright green oil from CARC and gearbox; got me concerned. However, Guzzisteve put my mind at ease by telling me about Shockproof brand gear oil. The bike now has new oils in it. Will replace hydraulic fluid later today. Will also check valve clearances and install the new battery I bought yesterday.
Motor is strong; feels stronger than my 2009 did after 54,000 miles. I have read that shocks of 2007 Norges are weak, but I didn't notice any problem on the ride home. Maybe I will notice a difference from the 2009 after I load the bike with wife and gear. Tires are originals, but they weren't too nasty; will replace them come spring. Ordering a Throttlemeister and ram mount for GPS.
Bike has a few scratches; might get affected parts painted. Overall, I am happy with the bike so far.
Jon
The effectiveness of the stock shock is very dependent on how you ride, and where you ride. The stock was fine for me around town and on the freeways. Where it showed it's weakness was when being somewhat aggressive in the canyons. The front also wallowed a bit in the corners - especially those that were not smooth. That being said, once I had Todd go through the suspension (HyperPro rear shock and front progressive springs with cartridge emulators) the bike became a totally different animal. Where stock, it was a toss up as to it being me or the bike as the limiting factor in the twisties; once I improved the suspension, it was obvious that I am now the limiting factor.
Enjoy,
jdg
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I had a LiFe Shorai in my Ducati 1098 for 3 years, it doesn't do a great deal of miles and it was fine. I replaced it when I thought it was going bad, it wasn't, when I got another LiFe for the Sfida 1100 (I had little option as mounting and space were restricted meaning that I required maximum charge density) it behaved he same way, with the charger going nuts.
Turned out the charging leads were bad, nothing noticeable and I'm very careful with leads. Only when I belled it out did I discover this, the thing was it would "Store" charge fine, but was freaking out when going to "Full" charge.
Shorai customer support is awesome and they sent me a Sentry for nothing, it's about the size of a fat credit card wallet and will give you the cell voltages, max-min, % charge etc: and will also balance the internal cells.
LiFe do work but are different, so have goods and bads.
So we know about low ambient temp issues causing failures to crank
Due to the low internal resistance they accept/reject charge very easily, a good thing (for starting lots of power) and bad thing (can fry reg/recs)
They require to be kept in a strict voltage range, ignore and they die (an AGM or lead acid are far more tolerant of abuse)
They require more maintenance, cell balancing and kept on a "Store" charge when emmmm.........stori ng. Although they will if left hold a charge far longer than an AGM
They are very light especially in comparison to an AGM.
They are a bit more finicky needing a special charger and IMHO a bit more fragile
Personally I think they are the future but for now I stick to AGM unless I really need something that requires maximum power density i.e. capacity & CCA for the footprint available. They are not the Devil's work and can be great it's all about horses & courses.
John