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Title: Different Riding Styles
Post by: Kiwi_Roy on November 01, 2017, 10:12:27 PM
Racing in Japan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEYEn_fpv-4
Title: Re: Different Riding Styles
Post by: oldbike54 on November 01, 2017, 10:20:57 PM
 The bike that won is a Japanese Speedway bike , and that is a Japanese Speedway track . Exists for gambling purposes , although the stands looked empty .

 Dusty
Title: Re: Different Riding Styles
Post by: nyITguy on November 01, 2017, 10:39:38 PM
The bike that won is a Japanese Speedway bike , and that is a Japanese Speedway track . Exists for gambling purposes , although the stands looked empty .

 Dusty

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Title: Re: Different Riding Styles
Post by: oldbike54 on November 01, 2017, 10:46:07 PM
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 Probably .

 Not being snarky , but notice how narrow the tires are on the winning motorcycle , and how much faster it cornered than the wide tire bikes . Think about how that applies to the debate about contact patch and traction .

 Dusty
Title: Re: Different Riding Styles
Post by: nyITguy on November 01, 2017, 11:41:56 PM
Probably .

 Not being snarky , but notice how narrow the tires are on the winning motorcycle , and how much faster it cornered than the wide tire bikes . Think about how that applies to the debate about contact patch and traction .

 Dusty

He was cornering very aggressively and lost traction at one point then he seemed to back off the throttle a bit. He also had a lot of padding under his jersey.



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Title: Re: Different Riding Styles
Post by: oldbike54 on November 01, 2017, 11:44:44 PM
He was cornering very aggressively and lost traction at one point then he seemed to back off the throttle a bit. He also had a lot of padding under his jersey.



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 They were all breaking traction , the tracks are designed to be slick . Point is , his cornering speeds were higher than the sport and motard bikes with wide tires .

 Dusty
Title: Re: Different Riding Styles
Post by: nyITguy on November 01, 2017, 11:54:34 PM
I’m not familiar with the specifics of that particular debate. There would seem to be many factors involved,  though. Various tire compounds, tread, air pressure...


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Title: Re: Different Riding Styles
Post by: oldbike54 on November 02, 2017, 12:38:54 AM
I�m not familiar with the specifics of that particular debate. There would seem to be many factors involved,  though. Various tire compounds, tread, air pressure...


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 It is a long running debate , put simply , contact patch size is unrelated to traction . I was merely using this as an example of why that is true .

 Dusty
Title: Re: Different Riding Styles
Post by: normzone on November 02, 2017, 07:05:19 PM
Well that was fun - and reading the comments beneath the video is also.

I read something on youtube the other day to the effect of " just skip the video and go straight to the comments ".

The guy is Haruchika Aoki.

This is probably a good place to air my ignorance - why do flat track racers put a foot down? I was taught that contact with the road is to be avoided when possible.
Title: Re: Different Riding Styles
Post by: Murray on November 02, 2017, 09:36:57 PM
Well that was fun - and reading the comments beneath the video is also.

I read something on youtube the other day to the effect of " just skip the video and go straight to the comments ".

The guy is Haruchika Aoki.

This is probably a good place to air my ignorance - why do flat track racers put a foot down? I was taught that contact with the road is to be avoided when possible.

Having done some motard racing (badly I might add) you run out of room between the ground and the engine case for your foot, it also gives you a chance to try and stand the front end up a bit if it starts to wander off.