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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Cory on December 03, 2017, 02:06:18 PM
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Thoughts on the 2018 V9 Roamer over a V7 III Stone? Seems to have a larger seat and both a host of minor internal improvements.
Thanks and I'm very almost there.
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Have a stornello now but I am waiting for the v85 :violent1: :violent1:
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One of the reasons for my choice of the Stone was having a large fuel capacity.
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One of the reasons for my choice of the Stone was having a large fuel capacity.
Very good point.
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For ME the aesthetics and fuel capacity of the V7 would still probably trump the additional power and arguably even better for me riding position of the V9.
The V7 III is even more improved in both power and aesthetics (for my tastes) than my beloved 13 V7 Stone. So I'm sure I'd be happy with it.
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I'm looking to buy both this upcoming year, but the priority is definitely the V7III Milano...
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Yeah, IF I would have had to wait for 2018 model, it would be the Milano. I preferred the shiny tank, chrome exhaust and alloy wheels, so got the v7 III Special and added the wheels. The v9 style is growing on me but prefer the classic style of the v7 and riding position.
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I've said this several times - the V9 is a better bike than the V7 in every way, assuming you can get past the 'small tank', which is one quart short of 4 gallons.
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Functionally, I think the V7 serves as a better long distance runner, while the V9 might have the edge in the city. But these are shades of grey. I think they're similar enough that you can just go with whichever one tickles your aesthetic fancy and live on without regrets.
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"I've said this several times - the V9 is a better bike than the V7 in every way, assuming you can get past the 'small tank', which is one quart short of 4 gallons."
I have ridden both. Hard. So I can say with conviction: "No!"
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Thoughts on the 2018 V9 Roamer over a V7 III Stone? Seems to have a larger seat and both a host of minor internal improvements.
The V7III and V9 are very nearly the same engine, and a major advance over the V7II engine. The V7III also has detail improvements throughout� frame, steering head, suspension units in some models, etc. The V9 styling did not appeal to me, the V7III Racer did, and the bigger fuel tank is a huge plus for my kind of riding.
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Thoughts on the 2018 V9 Roamer over a V7 III Stone? Seems to have a larger seat and both a host of minor internal improvements.
Thanks and I'm very almost there.
Heck. You could even get a V9 with V7 styling from he-who-must-not-be-named.
(http://thumb.ibb.co/mkDyZb/RM_V9_7_Full.jpg) (http://ibb.co/mkDyZb)
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Te V9 engine has more torque, and you'll feel this! But nevertheless, you will only be able to find out if you do a test ride.
Best
Lars
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"I've said this several times - the V9 is a better bike than the V7 in every way, assuming you can get past the 'small tank', which is one quart short of 4 gallons."
I have ridden both. Hard. So I can say with conviction: "No!"
Fossil,
Could you share some of the experience and reasoning that brought you to that conviction, please? I'm not trying to be confrontational in the least, just genuinely curious. I've never ridden either bike, but the "sit test" put me much in favor of the V9. Come to think of it though, that most likely was an earlier V7 model, rather than a III.
Sarah
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I think it's more a case of pluses and minuses, rather than one being clearly better than the other. The V9 probably has more torque (I haven't tried a V7III), but is it enough to matter? I will say the V9 passes very nicely in the 30-50 mph range, something I appreciate when riding California Route 1 where slowpokes threaten to spoil your day. But maybe the V7 III would handle that well enough.
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I owned a ‘15 Stone, now have around 5k miles on my Roamer, and I just got done test riding a V7III. This was several weeks ago when delivering my Roamer to the dealer for what is hopefully a new tank after the stain debacle noted in my V9 thread. Anyhow, as I also detail in that thread I have some serious disc damage in my lower back and that’s really kept me from enjoying the Roamer as much as I think someone can. Though enjoy it I certaiinly have. This being said, as soon as I get the new tank the Roamer will be put up for sale as the V7III just suits my picky back more. As per comparison of both, I think Adan’s points are about as close to the truth as you can get. It would be hard to say one is “better” than the other just that one suits someone more than the other. I mean, yes, I like the V9 engine more than any other Guzzi I’ve owned and, contrary to most folks (I think) I actually prefer the Roamer’s looks when dressed up with additions
(http://thumb.ibb.co/iYevVG/955_D3_ECC_C265_4_EC5_8_AD0_CE8_AB79_F4_BA9.jpg) (http://ibb.co/iYevVG)
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As per that engine, the V9 does feel considerably more torquey and have more roll-on power for sure than my ‘15 Stone, but I never felt that bike was underpowered. My demo ride on the new V7III felt closer in power and feel to the V9 engine than the demo felt to my previous ‘15 Stone IMHO.
The Roamer has the smaller tank but does it really matter? It does and it doesn’t, I believe. When touring with the Roamer I can manage about 180 miles a tank easily (currently averaging 49mpg in daily riding and more than that when touring). But only because I’ve owned a V7 before, yes, I do miss the larger tank but it has nothing to do with practicality per se. I have to stop anyhow on any bike I own after about 130-150 miles; I just like with the V7 you don’t even think about gas much. Period.
And, the V7’s ergos just suit me and my back more and my riding style more and, at the end of the day, due to some very subjective reasons, I would still say that ‘15 Stone was my favorite Guzzi in sum than any other of the many I’ve owned. I can only imagine a V7III would offer maybe more of the same. Even said, I can easily imagine many of the V9’s charms would suit a different rider more. And it’s still better looking :grin: :thumb: :wink:
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Functionally, I think the V7 serves as a better long distance runner, while the V9 might have the edge in the city. But these are shades of grey. I think they're similar enough that you can just go with whichever one tickles your aesthetic fancy and live on without regrets.
Agree!
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Sarah,
I will gladly explain why I think the V7 III is in no way inferior to the V9. I ride a V7 Stone from 2013 myself since - yes - 2013 and I love the bike. My dealer (who also has Aprilia, Ducati, Vespa, Suzuki and several other) invites to a test day each year in spring. The first part always is on back roads (my "own" roads that I love to ride on all the time), the second part here: https://fsz-hansa.de/ . You can imagine that here you can get a very good impression how well a bike rides. We even have a moist roundabout. As I have reported both rides here (I was the first in the forum riding the V9 Roamer and the first riding the V7 III :laugh:) I will only give a short impression.
The engine of the V9 in not much stronger than that of my bike but it feels much stronger. More direct, more modern than that of my bike (which I rode "back to back" after both test rides). But so does the engine of the V7 III! It even seems to be a bit more "free-revving", even more spontaneous. The biggest difference between the bikes is the seating position. But please consider that the V9 I rode had the more forward - orientated pegs. But anyway - on the V9 I feel decoupled from the front wheel. The V7 III to the contrary feels much more connected to the road. The bike wants to be ridden actively, it asks for it! Even the abysmal Pirelli tyres work! My own Stone (with the much better Dunlop Streetsmart and the higher Comfort Gel saddle) somehow sits in between the newer bikes.
The worst thing about the V9: the side stand touches the ground in fast left turns rather dangerously. I had the pegs of the V7 III on the ground several times but it was harmless. And the tank of the V9 has not a good form for active riding.
So no, the V9 is not a bike I would prefer to the V7 III. Especially not to bikes like the Milano. But gorgeous to look at are both! They both are second to no other bike in that regard.
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Fossil,
If I remember correctly you said the fit and finish on the V9 was much better than our early V7 Stones.
Would you say the same of the V7III?
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For ME the aesthetics and fuel capacity of the V7 would still probably trump the additional power and arguably even better for me riding position of the V9.
The V7 III is even more improved in both power and aesthetics (for my tastes) than my beloved 13 V7 Stone. So I'm sure I'd be happy with it.
V7 III hands down for me. The only benefit of the V9 is more power, but the aesthetics, fuel capacity, AND riding position all win for me.
That said, as Kev points out, the V9 riding position is better for some people, and the V7 better for others.
The best thing you can do is ride both, and buy the one you like better. It is much more than just the numbers (power, fuel capacity, etc). Buy what calls to you. I think the answer will be obvious after you ride them.
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Heck. You could even get a V9 with V7 styling from he-who-must-not-be-named.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a3/Lordvoldemort.jpg/220px-Lordvoldemort.jpg)
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The engine of the V9 in not much stronger than that of my bike but it feels much stronger. More direct, more modern than that of my bike (which I rode "back to back" after both test rides). But so does the engine of the V7 III! It even seems to be a bit more "free-revving", even more spontaneous.
:1: And my memory could be lying but this is what I was getting at in my post when it almost seems to me the V7III is closer in feel to my V9 than it is to its ‘15 V7 Stone sister I had. As stated, however, that Stone was the best Guzzi for me I’ve owned so nothing lacking there for sure. But that is why I’ll likely opt for the iii once I sell the Roamer, just to get that sweet engine. But I am being honest when I say here that aside from that blue Special, I prefer the looks of the ii or even my ‘15 V7. I have not warmed up to the blacked out exhaust that seems 8 feet long :grin: Still a gorgeous bike, of course.
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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a3/Lordvoldemort.jpg/220px-Lordvoldemort.jpg)
Oh no! You almost said it...
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the V9 actually feels a bit more comfortable to me (6'2") but I never could quite get past that tank. I always liked the V7's but the rider triangle always felt like it was sized for somebody about 5" shorter than I am. I finally had a chance to try the V7iii, 'much better fit. Not only that, but the anniversary variation is just drop dead gorgeous IMHO. So, after circling Guzzi's for years I finally bought one. Only a few hundred miles thus far but this thing is all that and a bag of chips: lovely engine, very nice clutch feel and transmission, spools up nicely, handles quite well & feels about 50+ pounds lighter than my prior 865 Bonnie. I likely will still lower the pegs and raise the bars but out of the box this thing is very, very nice.
I'm a serial retro buyer: W650, Bonnie, Vespa, Patrol, King, etc. Typically modern versions of classicly styled bikes give up either function or soul. So far I'd say this once manages to walk the line rather nicely, 'very engaging yet this quite up to date. It also looks exactly like what a proper roadster should look like to me. Oh, and did I mention that it is drop dead gorgeous?
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Fossil,
If I remember correctly you said the fit and finish on the V9 was much better than our early V7 Stones.
Would you say the same of the V7III?
Kev, definitely! The details all are gorgeous. Even when I admit I am not smitten with the matte and black finish of the new stone (mine is the same colour as yours) the details are great. I would say our model should be compared to the new Milano. But parts like the new exhaust system, the new pegs and brake - and gear levers and a lot of little details are even better than at the new Bonneville - series. And I was able to compare directly.
Obviously Moto Guzzi has learned a lesson. As I love my bike I fear I have to delve deep into the Garage Moto Guzzi - program...
And I have not even started to brag about the Anniversary.
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I've been riding my V7 racer .5 since 2011. tried a V9 last year during a demo day. the engine on the V9 is smoother, a bit more powerful and overall a better engine then mine but I cant get use the to riding position. another factor is the V9 is in a higher insurance class in my town because its over 750cc.
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Thanks all. With all of the great bikes out there I've been having a very tough time agonizing over what to get. My list went from a lot down to a final three (within the past few days) of a V7, V-Strom 650 or CB1100EX. I know, but whatever.
I think that, with your help, all fingers are pointing to the V7; for a few reasons (or, all three at some point, but starting with the V7).
In yellow, of course - to match the helmet I already got.
:weiner: :Beating_A_Dead_Hors e_by_liviu :clock: :bike-037: :violent1: :boozing: :bow:
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for what it's worth I owned a DL650 for a bit, the shortest time I've ever owned a new bike actually, less than a year. It was very capable and uber reliable but just painfully boring IMHO. I also looked at the new CB1100, Guzzi-like tank but still small and not exactly pulse quickening. In car terms the DL was an Elantra and the CB was an Accord, fine in cars but not exactly what I am looking for in a bike. The V7iii, on the other hand, is like the more respectable and responsible sister of an Alfa, not quite as needy maybe but you don't need to press her too hard to notice the lacy bits. An let's be honest, bikes are all about the lacy bits...
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for what it's worth I owned a DL650 for a bit, the shortest time I've ever owned a new bike actually, less than a year. It was very capable and uber reliable but just painfully boring IMHO. I also looked at the new CB1100, Guzzi-like tank but still small and not exactly pulse quickening. In car terms the DL was an Elantra and the CB was an Accord, fine in cars but not exactly what I am looking for in a bike. The V7iii, on the other hand, is like the more respectable and responsible sister of an Alfa, not quite as needy maybe but you don't need to press her too hard to notice the lacy bits. An let's be honest, bikes are all about the lacy bits...
Thanks. That's my experience even though I don't really know what I'm doing. Was at the Suzuki shop the other day trying to "take in" the V-Strom and I kept trying and trying. The CB1100 seemed to be closer to what I was after, but then I guess the V7 is what I'm after. It's the only bike I sat on that says "I do think this is it.", but I keep looking for excuses because of no very local dealer. But maintenance seems really easy so shouldn't be a big deal; including valve adjustments.
And the yellow tank matches my helmet.
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As a red Roamer owner I am really enjoying this discussion. There are times when I think seriously about the new V7iii. Maybe in a year or two when I've paid this one off. For the moment I am hugely enjoying the V9. They seem very under-appreciated and are therefore very rare - in five months of daily riding in London I have seen none on the roads. So it's nice to have such an exotic bike. I sat on a V7 Stone and it felt strangely small and insubstantial - somehow the V9 feels more solid and planted. I like also the fact that it's a cross between a Bonneville and a Harley, although I sort of feel less enamoured of the cruiser element the more experience I get of bikes. At the moment the V9 can be had very cheaply in the UK so it's rather a bargain. A sort of secret treat not many people know about. I test rode a T100 which felt unutterably bland and drab by comparison.
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I've never seen another V9 around the Bay Area. I see lots of V7's, "lots" being a relative term because we are talking about Guzzi's, but the V7's are becoming rather popular. So, yeah, there's something cool about being on such a rare bike. And I do think it's underappreciated. It's a solid, capable machine, good commuter, fun around the city, fun on a twisty road, doesn't burn oil. Guzzi's in general are underappreciated, but the V9 occupies its own lofty perch of neglect.
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So , bpreynolds
You have ridden both , V-9 and V-7 ...
Are they both geared about the same ? It seem to me the 1st gear on the V-7 gets about 1/2 across most intersections beore shift-time gets there , :sad: , makes me feel like I'm ridding a Honda 175 with that "Granny Gear 1st" .
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So , bpreynolds
You have ridden both , V-9 and V-7 ...
Are they both geared about the same ? It seem to me the 1st gear on the V-7 gets about 1/2 across most intersections beore shift-time gets there , :sad: , makes me feel like I'm ridding a Honda 175 with that "Granny Gear 1st" .
Honestly, I�ve never really had beef with the gearing on my V9 so it wasn�t something I was looking for nor noticed when I was on my demo iii ride. I was probably too busy getting up to speed and seeing how my back responded to the ergos, roll on power, smoothness, handling, etc. And too, I’m someone who is now used to riding my KTM 390 Duke which would make any 1st gear seem tall. :grin:
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There is nothing wrong with the gearing either of the V9 or of the V7 III. And please get me right: It is not that I don´t like the V9. If there were no V7 (III or the predecessors) then for me the question would be: V9 or a version of the Sportster? Definitely!
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Have you tried one of these ?
(http://thumb.ibb.co/ivT0Hw/IMG_0468.jpg) (http://ibb.co/ivT0Hw)
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No. Looks sweet.
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No. Looks sweet.
V9 with V7's cosmetics
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Thanks for posting your questions, Cory. And thanks to everyone for the input. Where did I read that a long-time Guzzi mechanic suggested the fork tubes needed to be slid up in the clamps a bit to improve handling and feel on the V9?? The V9 thread on advrider, maybe.
Sarah
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Have you tried one of these ?
(http://thumb.ibb.co/ivT0Hw/IMG_0468.jpg) (http://ibb.co/ivT0Hw)
That's an improvement on the V9, but, still has the cruiser-esqu wheel/tire sizes.
Put the V9 engine in the V7-III :food:
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"Put the V9 engine in the V7-III"
What for? The engines are very similar, it is not really significant. Better: put the new V85 - engine in something like the V7.
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Thanks for posting your questions, Cory. And thanks to everyone for the input. Where did I read that a long-time Guzzi mechanic suggested the fork tubes needed to be slid up in the clamps a bit to improve handling and feel on the V9?? The V9 thread on advrider, maybe.
Sarah
Thanks for saying. I was certain that everyone would think I was an idiot.
With that, I figured I'll ultimately need three bikes to completely satisfy my inability to decide, so would maybe a Yamaha XSR900 be a good complement to my soon-to-be new V7 III Stone (in yellow)?
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That's an improvement on the V9, but, still has the cruiser-esqu wheel/tire sizes.
Put the V9 engine in the V7-III :food:
I dunno how much of a difference that makes in the end. Maybe it changes feel slightly but certainly not any real world capability.
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Have you tried one of these ?
(http://thumb.ibb.co/ivT0Hw/IMG_0468.jpg) (http://ibb.co/ivT0Hw)
Yikes. :shocked:
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Yikes. :shocked:
I THINK that's just a tank swap, and wouldn't help your back.
But IIRC Todd's version was more thorough and included controls (maybe lower frame rails had to be swapped or something?) which would address the riding position as well.
I don't remember if he swapped wheels too... I should check.
OK - wheels no, controls yes...
(http://www.guzzitech.com/forums/attachments/img_0538-jpg.12035/)
http://ridemalibu.com/bikes/v97/
Guzzi�s V9 Bobber, re-imagined by GuzziTech/GT Motocycles, into the bike everyone wants; A V7 with the V9 motor. V7 Bodywork with 6-gallon fuel tank, repositioned foot peg rails, bars and GT-Rx� exhaust system. Stock 850cc motor with new Hemi-heads. Six speed, ABS and traction control.
Wet weight: 438 lbs.
Seat Height: 30.7�
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I was certain that everyone would think I was an idiot.
Been there, done that, and none here has ever made me feel inferior. :bow:
It's the only bike I sat on that says "I do think this is it.", but I keep looking for excuses because of no very local dealer.
Been there, done that too. In the end I went with what my heart wanted, and all is well.
Not only that, but the Anniversary variation is just drop dead gorgeous IMHO. So, after circling Guzzi's for years I finally bought one. Only a few hundred miles thus far but this thing is all that and a bag of chips: lovely engine, very nice clutch feel and transmission, spools up nicely, handles quite well & feels about 50+ pounds lighter than my prior 865 Bonnie.
I'm a serial retro buyer: W650, Bonnie, Vespa, Patrol, King, etc. Typically modern versions of classicly styled bikes give up either function or soul. So far I'd say this once manages to walk the line rather nicely, 'very engaging yet this quite up to date. It also looks exactly like what a proper roadster should look like to me. Oh, and did I mention that it is drop dead gorgeous?
And that's why I bought one! :thumb:
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"Put the V9 engine in the V7-III"
What for? The engines are very similar, it is not really significant. Better: put the new V85 - engine in something like the V7.
Oh yeah, that's the one that I meant.
I dunno how much of a difference that makes in the end. Maybe it changes feel slightly but certainly not any real world capability.
See comment above -- I was thinking about the "80 HP" motor from the vapor-ware V85.
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Thanks for saying. I was certain that everyone would think I was an idiot.
With that, I figured I'll ultimately need three bikes to completely satisfy my inability to decide, so would maybe a Yamaha XSR900 be a good complement to my soon-to-be new V7 III Stone (in yellow)?
The 850cc Yamaha triple on the XSR900 is a great motor! But, I gotta say, the forthcoming Kawasaki Z900RS is much better looking:
(https://www.ontwowheels.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/2018-Kawasaki-Z900RS.jpg)
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The 850cc Yamaha triple on the XSR900 is a great motor! But, I gotta say, the forthcoming Kawasaki Z900RS is much better looking:
(https://www.ontwowheels.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/2018-Kawasaki-Z900RS.jpg)
A very significant problem with this post is that the Kawasaki dealership (also has Yamaha) is very close, the salesperson is a really nice guy, the service department (not that I'd need it) seems good-to-go and it's the shop that I used to get bikes from when I raced in a past life.
****! ****! ****!
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The 850cc Yamaha triple on the XSR900 is a great motor! But, I gotta say, the forthcoming Kawasaki Z900RS is much better looking:
(https://www.ontwowheels.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/2018-Kawasaki-Z900RS.jpg)
MEH!!!
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A very significant problem with this post is that the Kawasaki dealership (also has Yamaha) is very close, the salesperson is a really nice guy, the service department (not that I'd need it) seems good-to-go and it's the shop that I used to get bikes from when I raced in a past life.
****! ****! ****!
I'm sorry, but that's like saying I really prefer the lobster in the next town but I'll get McDonald's cause it's next door.
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I feel like there's something wrong with me, but going to RevZilla tomorrow for a jacket, boots and pants. And, sadly, my wife found the helmet earlier this week. She's onboard, but wasn't ready for it to be real so soon.
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The 850cc Yamaha triple on the XSR900 is a great motor! But, I gotta say, the forthcoming Kawasaki Z900RS is much better looking:
(https://www.ontwowheels.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/2018-Kawasaki-Z900RS.jpg)
I think the Kaw is lovely! I currently own a 2014 CB1100, and I'm not sure I can get into the bike. I need to put on a few thou more miles this coming spring before I come to a conclusion. May need to revert to another twin. Or just be happy with what I have, ride 'em and enjoy 'em!
Bob
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I feel like there's something wrong with me, but going to RevZilla tomorrow for a jacket, boots and pants. And, sadly, my wife found the helmet earlier this week. She's onboard, but wasn't ready for it to be real so soon.
Easier to ask forgiveness than permission.......
in some, not all, cases!
Totally enjoying my new V7II Stone...just passed 2500 miles and am quite happy.
Enjoy your bike when you get it..no matter what you decide!
Jeff
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Hmmm, it's not the most pleasant ride, but I think my schedule might be free tomorrow. When were you thinking of popping into ZLA?
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Hmmm, it's not the most pleasant ride, but I think my schedule might be free tomorrow. When were you thinking of popping into ZLA?
Oh, might be a little cold, but if you're going anyway I'm fairly flexible. Just have to visit a customer in West Philly at some point and it doesn't really matter when. Mid to late morning might be best, but I'd do as you say and wouldn't be bothered if your plans change even at the last minute because I'll be there anyway.
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A very significant problem with this post is that the Kawasaki dealership (also has Yamaha) is very close, the salesperson is a really nice guy, the service department (not that I'd need it) seems good-to-go and it's the shop that I used to get bikes from when I raced in a past life.
****! ****! ****!
I had a ZRX1200r for a decade (on the short list of bikes I should have kept). Fit & finish was above average for a Jap bike, and, it went like a Bat out of Hell. I'm sure the new 900 will be the same. It's hard to beat a Kawasaki when it comes to performance for the dollar.
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Oh, might be a little cold, but if you're going anyway I'm fairly flexible. Just have to visit a customer in West Philly at some point and it doesn't really matter when. Mid to late morning might be best, but I'd do as you say and wouldn't be bothered if your plans change even at the last minute because I'll be there anyway.
Ha ha I wasn't going at all, but if the timing is right my electrics could probably keep me warm. Have you ridden a V7 yet?
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Ha ha I wasn't going at all, but if the timing is right my electrics could probably keep me warm. Have you ridden a V7 yet?
Haven't yet ridden it. Actually about to read the Learner's Permit booklet and take the test.
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after a series of large, heavy, fast bikes I've come around to the POV that the lightest and simplest bike for the task at hand also tends to be the most fun day-to-day. Twins seem to have an elemental quality about them, they are engaging yet never cumbersome. Simply put, you don't need a 30-30 to hunt squirrels, in fact more that likely it will just get you into trouble.
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MEH!!!
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Guzzi�s V9 Bobber, re-imagined by GuzziTech/GT Motocycles, into the bike everyone wants; A V7 with the V9 motor. V7 Bodywork with 6-gallon fuel tank, repositioned foot peg rails, bars and GT-Rx� exhaust system. Stock 850cc motor with new Hemi-heads. Six speed, ABS and traction control.
Wet weight: 438 lbs.
Seat Height: 30.7�
Wow, that's light for a bike with that much fuel capacity and shaft drive.
Sarah
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No, not everybody wants a V7 with V9 - engine. It makes no sense. The engine is marginal stronger, but because of its stronger end drive also heavier.
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No, not everybody wants a V7 with V9 - engine. It makes no sense. The engine is marginal stronger, but because of its stronger end drive also heavier.
I don’t want to encourage too much thread drift here but I still think it was an odd decision - well, odd seemingly to my non-marketing brain - for Guzzi to offer the new engine in an unproven sales platform (V9) while then keeping the old engine in their most proven sales leader (V7). Yes, don’t tinker with success, but I think this just muddled the waters too much. My opinion only.
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I had to go check wet weight figures on the MG USA website. The V9 is listed at 438lbs with all fluids but no fuel; add 24lbs for the 4 gallons of gas and you'll be at 462lbs wet. The V7III is listed at 460lbs with 90% fuel, so pretty much dead on with full tanks.
Sarah
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from a marketing standpoint, i like how MG did this. they really needed and still need to try and expand their buyer base. i don't think that just another upgrade on the v7 would have done this. i agree that the power difference on paper is not great, and that i have not personally ridden a 9, but all that i have heard is that the drivability and the power curve are different. i think the styling is a little out of the usual MG mold, but if the goal was to attract newer to the brand riders, the concept is in the right direction. psychologically, 900 sounds much faster than 750 and you cannot write this off since most motorcycles are bought with the heart and not the head.
look at bmw, they have a 800 that they call a 700 - talk about odd.
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While we're at it, and if no one minds, how's the V7 III Stone for a passenger?
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Cory, scroll down to zokn's post here:
http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/anybody-have-a-moto-guzzi-v7.835438/page-33
They seem to have a blast on their V7.
Sarah
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Thanks. Looks pretty good-to-go.
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I am a recovering marketing person. Guzzi like just about everybody else who wants to crack the American market feels to do so they must compete in cruisers, witness some of the stuff BMW and Ducati have kicked out in the last few years. The V9 is a bridge bike, between the more overt cruisers of the 1400's and the more traditional roadsters of the V7/sporting heritage lines. There is a piece in Rider Mag. right now which compares the Triumph Bobber, the Indian Scout, and the V9 in which they basically say the V9 is the most standardish of the group. I think that may be its problem, it's not quite cruiserish for that tribe but not quite roadster enough for tradionalist. A shame really because it's a really nice bike.
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I had to go check wet weight figures on the MG USA website. The V9 is listed at 438lbs with all fluids but no fuel; add 24lbs for the 4 gallons of gas and you'll be at 462lbs wet. The V7III is listed at 460lbs with 90% fuel, so pretty much dead on with full tanks.
Moto Guzzi Canada curb weight: V7II Stone: 417lb / 189Kg
V7III Stone: 461lb / 209Kg
V7III Special: 470lb / 213Kg
V9 Bobber: 438lb / 199Kg
Make of it what you will.
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I am a recovering marketing person. Guzzi like just about everybody else who wants to crack the American market feels to do so they must compete in cruisers, witness some of the stuff BMW and Ducati have kicked out in the last few years. The V9 is a bridge bike, between the more overt cruisers of the 1400's and the more traditional roadsters of the V7/sporting heritage lines. There is a piece in Rider Mag. right now which compares the Triumph Bobber, the Indian Scout, and the V9 in which they basically say the V9 is the most standardish of the group. I think that may be its problem, it's not quite cruiserish for that tribe but not quite roadster enough for tradionalist. A shame really because it's a really nice bike.
I do think you may be onto something here!!! Of the many Guzzis I’ve owned, they all get about the same amount of compliments in sum; well okay, maybe not the Stelvio but it had it’s own admirers certainly :grin: including me. But I’ve really noticed a difference in the Roamer to all of those where more cruiser riders and people who are generally not so called enthusiasts or even motorcyclists per se love it. And I get that in one regard because it’s got that gorgeous Sportsterish (there, I said it) look to it. And I have always LOVED Sportsters so maybe that’s why my eyes actually like it better on the whole visually than the V7III - though both are stunning bikes. On the other hand, however, I would classify any of the 4 previous 1100 Calis I’ve owned as more cruiserish so to speak but they never got that kinda love from that specific population. Maybe they were just more “Italian” cruiserish or something.
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Cory
While we're at it, and if no one minds, how's the V7 III Stone for a passenger?
I was using my 883 w/big seat for my "WE" bike and my wife liked it , but she says the V-7 has more room. Something to do with the handle bars has me leaned forward giving her more room , and the extra weight makes the V-7II Stone ride softer too. :thumb:
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Regarding the foot peg position: this has been one of the biggest criticisms of the V9.
I have thought long and hard about fitting the set to the newer configuration about 4 " rearward and up an inch.
So I sat on the V7s to approximate the feeling and found it at 6'2" and 33" inseam, too tight.
Quite like the forwarding position even if shins get a hot warning on occasion.
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Quite like the forwarding position even if shins get a hot warning on occasion.
I very quickly learned to ride the V7 III with shinguards. :sad:
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I very quickly learned to ride the V7 III with shinguards. :sad:
That's weird, never needed anything like that on my V7. Hmmm
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Heck. You could even get a V9 with V7 styling from he-who-must-not-be-named.
(http://thumb.ibb.co/mkDyZb/RM_V9_7_Full.jpg) (http://ibb.co/mkDyZb)
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Now that looks good ergo wise! Who is "he-who-must-not-be-named" by the way?
I still love my B750. This is the best all-round bike I have ever owned. Not the best looking bike to some (so I've been told), but you can't see it when you are riding it. I don't buy bikes for their looks, I even had a V-Max at one point, possibly the ugliest bike I've ever owned, but a good bike (for me at that point in my life - all 9 weeks of it lol).
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Now that looks good ergo wise! Who is "he-who-must-not-be-named" by the way?
(http://thumb.ibb.co/n2iDjm/RM_V97.jpg) (http://ibb.co/n2iDjm)
(http://thumb.ibb.co/cCfR4m/IMG_0183.jpg) (http://ibb.co/cCfR4m)
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(http://thumb.ibb.co/n2iDjm/RM_V97.jpg) (http://ibb.co/n2iDjm)
(http://thumb.ibb.co/cCfR4m/IMG_0183.jpg) (http://ibb.co/cCfR4m)
Yes please.
Who is HWMNBN.
How can I break a rule if I don't know what it is?
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No, not everybody wants a V7 with V9 - engine. It makes no sense. The engine is marginal stronger, but because of its stronger end drive also heavier.
What would be your opinion of someone who grafted a 1400 donk into a standard Griso frame ?
Would that fit into the same bracket of pointless lunacy of which you speak ???
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That's weird, never needed anything like that on my V7. Hmmm
I think it has to do with my 31.5 inseams. With my feet flat on the ground, the pegs touch my shins and the slightest movement causes damage. Backing into a parking spot turned them a lovely shade of magenta that took a couple of weeks to fade. After my second ride, I dug through my kid's old soccer stuff and found some tiny undersock protectors. Problem solved.
I have tried without them to see if it was a learning curve thing, and I still came up bruised. I've since upgraded to larger, velcro oversock style guards, which I forget I'm wearing once our destination is reached. I even wear the guards under my tall boots, as they are padded, not armored.
This is a pic and quote from Moto International's site. "To better accommodate shorter riders, we have compiled a custom kit of components that lower seat height approximately 2". The kit consists of a lower, narrower seat with gel insert, shorter rear shocks, repositioned front forks, and different hand levers better accommodating a shorter reach. The woman in the pictures is 5'2" and has a 30" inseam. She is flat-footed on both feet wearing boots."
She is standing over the bike, not sitting. In a seated position, the only choice is near shin to peg contact.
(http://thumb.ibb.co/hmWpqR/img_0781x40.jpg) (http://ibb.co/hmWpqR)
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Yes please.
Who is HWMNBN.
How can I break a rule if I don't know what it is?
He's been named (Todd) repeatedly in this thread, no?
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I think it has to do with my 31.5 inseams. With my feet flat on the ground, the pegs touch my shins and the slightest movement causes damage. Backing into a parking spot turned them a lovely shade of magenta that took a couple of weeks to fade. After my second ride, I dug through my kid's old soccer stuff and found some tiny undersock protectors. Problem solved.
I have tried without them to see if it was a learning curve thing, and I still came up bruised. I've since upgraded to larger, velcro oversock style guards, which I forget I'm wearing once our destination is reached. I even wear the guards under my tall boots, as they are padded, not armored.
This is a pic and quote from Moto International's site. "To better accommodate shorter riders, we have compiled a custom kit of components that lower seat height approximately 2". The kit consists of a lower, narrower seat with gel insert, shorter rear shocks, repositioned front forks, and different hand levers better accommodating a shorter reach. The woman in the pictures is 5'2" and has a 30" inseam. She is flat-footed on both feet wearing boots."
She is standing over the bike, not sitting. In a seated position, the only choice is near shin to peg contact.
(http://thumb.ibb.co/hmWpqR/img_0781x40.jpg) (http://ibb.co/hmWpqR)
*shrugs* 32" inseam but V7 I has slightly different ergos. I neither bang my shins on pegs ever or warm them with the jugs.
I'll have to try sitting on a III this coming year.
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:clock:What would be your opinion of someone who grafted a 1400 donk into a standard Griso frame ?
Would that fit into the same bracket of pointless lunacy of which you speak ???
I don�t speak of pointless lunacy. I only say it makes no sense. That is because the difference between the engines is marginal. And it would be an inpolite way to express an opinion.
That said putting a 1400 into a Griso would be an interesting experiment. Putting a cruiser engine into a roadster. Even when it is a (relatively) high revving engine for a cruiser.
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*shrugs* 32" inseam but V7 I has slightly different ergos. I neither bang my shins on pegs ever or warm them with the jugs.
I'll have to try sitting on a III this coming year.
Kev, I know this is a US board, but your reference to the word "Jugs" while referring to a picture of a lady on a motorcycle had me in stitches. Thanks for the laugh, I nearly spat my cornflakes across my screen. :laugh:
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He's been named (Todd) repeatedly in this thread, no?
Dunno Kev, but there's clearly a meeting I've missed somewhere.
It'd be good to get the guts on it though.
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I don�t speak of pointless lunacy. I only say it makes no sense. That is because the difference between the engines is marginal. And it would be an inpolite way to express an opinion.
That said putting a 1400 into a Griso would be an interesting experiment. Putting a cruiser engine into a roadster. Even when it is a (relatively) high revving engine for a cruiser.
Oh, ok.
Yeah I reckon it would be an interesting thing to do too.
Just wondered how it fitted in with the comment of putting a larger engine into an existing bike made no sense.
If it's fun then it has already made sense.
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Kev, I know this is a US board, but your reference to the word "Jugs" while referring to a picture of a lady on a motorcycle had me in stitches. Thanks for the laugh, I nearly spat my cornflakes across my screen. [emoji23]
Ha ha, the term is used here as well, but also for other things, like the cylinders and heads of a motorcycle, so I didn't think twice. I guess personally I use the term for the latter about 9 or 10 times out of 10 times lol.Dunno Kev, but there's clearly a meeting I've missed somewhere.
It'd be good to get the guts on it though.
Are you asking?
Todd from Guzzitech and a number of the members of this board don't see eye to eye. The blood is especially bad it seems between him and Roper/Beetle.
I'll leave it there.
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Ha ha, the term is used here as well, but also for other things, like the cylinders and heads of a motorcycle, so I didn't think twice. I guess personally I use the term for the latter about 9 or 10 times out of 10 times lol.Are you asking?
Todd from Guzzitech and a number of the members of this board don't see eye to eye. The blood is especially bad it seems between him and Roper/Beetle.
I'll leave it there.
Oh ok.
That makes more sense than I thought it would.
Thanks Kev.
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As per that engine, the V9 does feel considerably more torquey and have more roll-on power for sure than my �15 Stone, but I never felt that bike was underpowered. My demo ride on the new V7III felt closer in power and feel to the V9 engine than the demo felt to my previous �15 Stone IMHO.
The Roamer has the smaller tank but does it really matter?
That's a gorgeous bike, *exactly* what I would buy and how I would modify if buying a new Guzzi.
A 1 gallon auxilary fuel tank, hidden in a matching leather case, mounted on that rear rack, would cure the range issues and still look good. The rack is higher than the bottom of the tank so it could be gravity fed. Maybe even a back rest pad for a passenger added. It would take some crafty manuafacturing, but seems doable. :thumb:
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I like both of them, and I would be happy with either (especially with the Anniversario!).
The smaller tank of the V9 does not bother me. It has more than enough range to cover the distance I can travel before needing to stop and relieve my aching rear end and cramped legs on my Norge. It also has, I think, the better engine. Still I would be happy with either.
As for the co-existence of the V7 III and the V9, why not? The V7 accounts for too large a portion of Moto Guzzi’s sales to drop it, and the V9 adds a step-up for would-be buyers of the V7...
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Thanks. That's my experience even though I don't really know what I'm doing. Was at the Suzuki shop the other day trying to "take in" the V-Strom and I kept trying and trying. The CB1100 seemed to be closer to what I was after, but then I guess the V7 is what I'm after. It's the only bike I sat on that says "I do think this is it.", but I keep looking for excuses because of no very local dealer. But maintenance seems really easy so shouldn't be a big deal; including valve adjustments.
And the yellow tank matches my helmet.
I am very happy with my V711 Special, and I don't think the performance 'improvements' in upgrading to a V7111 or V9 would be worth paying out more for. I am though seriously considering a CB1100EX as a second bike. People say it is too refined, too smooth etc, but to me it looks beautifully built. We also have the RS in the UK, but I don't think you have it in the US. The only thing causing me to hold off is the weight of the CB: one o the Guzzi's attractions to me is it's relatively light weight. That, and the chain drive vs shaft drive.
Beerman
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*shrugs* 32" inseam but V7 I has slightly different ergos. I neither bang my shins on pegs ever or warm them with the jugs.
I'll have to try sitting on a III this coming year.
I wish the jugs would fend off the chill, but then I'd be begging relief the other 6 months of the year. :wink:
Yeah, a sales guy I'm friendly with didn't get it either until I sat on their Special last Friday. You know, every time he talks about the MG's you can hear the admiration in his voice, especially the California. He's a Guzzista waiting to happen. :evil:
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I wish the jugs would fend off the chill, but then I'd be begging relief the other 6 months of the year. :wink:
Here are some wonderful things about those jugs that not many folks talk about. First, they in fact do provide some degree of fairing. I just returned from about a 1300 mile roundtrip on my KTM 950 Supermoto to NC and TN. It was wonderful and there�s no other bike so far that quite suits me for long distance as much as that KTM; yet, it�s still mostly a naked bike and on any naked bike I�ve ridden after about 2 hours or more in the saddle you will generaly start to notice things that you�d never notice otherwise mostly. Like wind working to splay your legs apart. It�s nothing at first but after many miles you - or at least for me personally - will start to actually feel a strain of keeping your knees pointed forward as the wind is blowing them apart. This gets more noticeable as the miles pile on. On a Guzzi, however, I never notice this :thumb:
Second, something else about those jugs they�re not just for looks alone though they look great, don�t they? They were originally set that way, as I understand it, for cooling benefits. In my experience this is quite true. No other motorcycles I�ve owned or driven (a whole ton bunch too many/not enough :grin:) run as nicely cool as an air cooled Guzzi. Well let me qualify that, every Guzzi I�ve ever owned or driven except for the 8V engines (in both my former Stelvio and Griso) and the otherwise wonderful big Breva - ran hot hot hot to me. Yeah, I know, adjust the fueling, blah, blah, blah, whatevs, this is a personal thing for me. But all other Geese, so, so much more pleasant to ride in hot weather than even or especially the water cooled bikes I�ve owned.
Last but not least, nobody really talks much about this, but those big jugs do function as a safety feature in given situations. They are far more substantial than most engine guards or fairings. They saved what would have been much greater damage to my lower leg when I was hit and driven from the side by a truck driver some years back; they absorbed the majority of the energy of that collision as the cylinder heads showed, keeping the front of the truck from driving further into my leg. When the bike came to a stop and toppled over in the other direction, they probably saved damage to my other leg by absorbing the impact of the pavement and keeping the asphalt and the bike from sandwiching my leg on the opposite side.
I�m just saying hey, I love those jugs for reasons other than just cause they look good :grin:
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I'm going to have to take issue with the fairing and cooling aspects of that argument being RCHs...
Truly the fairing aspect I've never noticed, other than said Breva which was obviously more than just the effect of the motor.
As a matter of fact after that Big Breva that I didn't want to ride in temps above 80F because it was too uncomfortably hot (see both arguments) the V7 feels downright cool and comfy in hot weather.
That said, I've seen Harleys run cooler than Guzzis (largely based on tuning) which suggests there really is no need or advantage to having those Guzzi cylinders in the wind and it all comes down to tuning anyway.
Besides, jugs that are too big can get in the way.
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Thanks for saying. I was certain that everyone would think I was an idiot.
With that, I figured I'll ultimately need three bikes to completely satisfy my inability to decide, so would maybe a Yamaha XSR900 be a good complement to my soon-to-be new V7 III Stone (in yellow)?
I would say the new Yamaha tracer 900 gt would be a complementary bike to the v7. The triple in a bike with luggage and cruise control.
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I would say the new Yamaha tracer 900 gt would be a complementary bike to the v7. The triple in a bike with luggage and cruise control.
Thanks. The final tally is a Yamaha FJ-09, but a V7 as bike #2. Not sure what #3 would be, but I think I would need 3 to really round it out (while keeping #1 and #2).
Much appreciated everyone's input. It honestly really helped a ton.
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Besides, jugs that are too big can get in the way.
Okay, enough with the jugs talk before one of us gets fired. Dusty. Dusty could get fired for letting this stuff go on :grin:
As per the title of this thread, they are both fantastic motorcycles and you just can't go wrong with either. The V9 will go down as my favorite Guzzi engine but I've already made my choice - my bad back helped decide - so I have verbally inked a trade-in deal for a new VIII Stone for the Roamer. Hope to pick up the new yellow dog later this week sometime. As a repentant former scrooge might say, Merry Christmas everyone!
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Okay, enough with the jugs talk before one of us gets fired. Dusty. Dusty could get fired for letting this stuff go on :grin:
As per the title of this thread, they are both fantastic motorcycles and you just can't go wrong with either. The V9 will go down as my favorite Guzzi engine but I've already made my choice - my bad back helped decide - so I have verbally inked a trade-in deal for a new VIII Stone for the Roamer. Hope to pick up the new yellow dog later this week sometime. As a repentant former scrooge might say, Merry Christmas everyone!
Probably shouldn't say "go down" either BP.. :clock:
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I'm going to have to take issue with the fairing and cooling aspects of that argument being RCHs...
Truly the fairing aspect I've never noticed, other than said Breva which was obviously more than just the effect of the motor....
Since we seem to be expanding beyond V7s/V9s, let me weigh in WRT the Cali 1400s: The jugs do provide some protection when you tuck your knees in.
...As a matter of fact after that Big Breva that I didn't want to ride in temps above 80F because it was too uncomfortably hot (see both arguments) the V7 feels downright cool and comfy in hot weather....
Interestingly temperature has never been an issue on my Cali 1400. I’ve done plenty of miles in 100 degree temperatures and plenty of miles in 40 degree temperatures. I just reposition my legs.
..That said, I've seen Harleys run cooler than Guzzis (largely based on tuning) which suggests there really is no need or advantage to having those Guzzi cylinders in the wind and it all comes down to tuning anyway...
Well, my Roadster sure doesn’t run cooler than the Guzzi. Extended stop and go on a hot day typically results in baked thigh.
Besides, jugs that are too big can get in the way.
I don’t know, those big jugs can really warm my hands up on a cold evening :)
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Since we seem to be expanding beyond V7s/V9s, let me weigh in WRT the Cali 1400s: The jugs do provide some protection when you tuck your knees in.
I could see that considering a combination of the bigger size and cruiserish seating.
Well, my Roadster sure doesn�t run cooler than the Guzzi. Extended stop and go on a hot day typically results in baked thigh.
I didn't say every one is cooler or not. My main point is that the design itself means little to the actual cooling. Yeah there was probably an advantage at one point, maybe a half a century ago when metallurgy was closer to the dark ages than it is today, but between modern materials and the ability to more precisely control fuel delivery there's no reason a 10F swing in head temps between one cylinder and another or between one motor and another has to mean much to the motor.
Now to the RIDER it may be significant, though largely that has to do with bike design and ergonomics etc.
And much of that can be mitigated by tuning, though at some point if you're sitting on a jug or exhaust pipe there's only so much you can do about it.
But bottom line out of curiosity I closely compared head temperatures on various Guzzis and Harleys over the years (on rides with them essentially side-by-side to best compare in identical conditions) and sometimes the Harleys had cooler heads, sometimes the Guzzis. It all came down to homologation, like the hot running and hot feeling Breva 1100.
When it got really hot out I wouldn't touch the B11, and instead opted for the much more comfortable EFI Harley (Sporty).
Similarly the V7 was a breath of fresh cool air even in the heat.