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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Chuck in Indiana on December 15, 2017, 04:29:03 PM
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Sitting in traffic on the PCH. He was lane splitting, and pulled up beside me.. said, "Hey, Indiana.. how you doing?" I said, Pretty damn good. I'm on my scooter sitting in the sun." He said, Yeah, what's not to like?" "Well, I dont much care for the traffic." He just laughed and said, Gotta take the bitter with the sweet.."
Nice guy.
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You meet the nicest people on a motorcycle with a name that begins with H or M G or Y or T or B or...
Cool story Chuck.
Best,
Rob
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The smile-and-wag-your-tail method almost always works doesn't it Chuckie :thumb:
Dusty
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Had a similar encounter coming South on the Eldo from the Maine rally this year.
Traffic grinds to a halt on I-95 in Mass and I maneuver up next to a Harley guy.
GG: How do they feel about lane splitting around here?
HG: Truth be told sir, they frown upon it.
GG: Frown upon it, do they?
HG: Yes indeed, frown upon it most seriously.
Thus began a 45-minute conversation punctuated with sudden lane changes, loud exhaust sounds and much laughter. it was indeed a beautiful day and we chatted about nothing important until we had to part ways. He was going to a classic car show and I was headed home to NY. I was tempted to peel off with him and see the show but time was not on my side and I had miles to go before my sleep.
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A few months ago I was riding my Aprilia 500 scooter and I caught up to a couple HD riders on Rte. 66 which I live on north of Kingman, Az. We went back an forth on who was in front until we had to stop @ a red light. Since we get a lot of tourists passing thru I asked them where they were from after they complimented me on my scooter. Come to find out they were from S. America and the HDs were loaners. :huh: A lot of foreigners ride HDs around here in the summer, renting them in Las Vegas 120 miles away. But these guys rented them from another place. 1 of them spoke English, the other 1 didn't.
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I was tempted to peel off with him and see the show but time was not on my side and I had miles to go before my sleep./quote]
And promises to keep ?
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my general impression is that Harley guys tend to like any bike that is not trying to pretend it is something it is not (which is funny actually because during the bubble in particular quite a few Harley guys were trying to pretend they were something they were not). Guzzi's tend to be respected because say what you will about them, they are clearly not an imitation of anything, they have a rich and varied history that is all there own. Both companies have endured good and bad times and have tended to follow their own path. They also have made some incredibly important and iconic machines.
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A few months ago I was riding my Aprilia 500 scooter and I caught up to a couple HD riders on Rte. 66 which I live on north of Kingman, Az. We went back an forth on who was in front until we had to stop @ a red light. Since we get a lot of tourists passing thru I asked them where they were from after they complimented me on my scooter. Come to find out they were from S. America and the HDs were loaners. :huh: A lot of foreigner ride HDs around here in the summer, renting them in Las Vegas 120 miles away. But these guys rented them from another place. 1 of them spoke English, the other 1 didn't.
About 10 years ago I was riding across US 50 in Nevada on a King. I pulled into a desolate gas station (not a lot of stations on that road, or anything else really) and there were two Electras sitting there so I went up to talk to them. Both were tourists from Germany on rented Harley's, they were having the time of their lives...
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Have run into German riders a couple of times...tough group to keep up with in several ways! :bow:
GliderJohn
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I didn't know a Harley could catch a scooter.
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A lot of the Euro riders want to experience going straight at interstate speeds. :grin:
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Good stuff Chuck. :afro:
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I hope we've all had good experiences with Harley riders. I bet some of them tell each other they've had good experiences with us!
There's lots of non-posing motorcycle riders on lots of different bikes. Nice.
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About 10 years ago I was riding across US 50 in Nevada on a King. I pulled into a desolate gas station (not a lot of stations on that road, or anything else really) and there were two Electras sitting there so I went up to talk to them. Both were tourists from Germany on rented Harley's, they were having the time of their lives...
I ran into a Harley rental guy from Portugal and an Okie from Muskogee. You have a 50/50 chance guessing who is who.
Crazy stuff on Okla Rt 66.
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^^^
:laugh: :shocked: :rolleyes: :huh:
Dusty
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^^^
:laugh: :shocked: :rolleyes: :huh:
Dusty
yeah, betcha you don't know which one.
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yeah, betcha you don't know which one.
The goofy looking one ?
Dusty
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About 11 years ago Judy & I were camping/touring on our CX100 just before you get to the north rim of the Grand Canyon and had breakfast with some Euro. riders on rented Harleys (forget which country) that morning. They were all friendly unlike most Harley riders we run into in the States.
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I have seen my share of arrogant riders on European and Japanese bikes.....
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Nice story Chuck. Good start to my Saturday morning... :thumb:
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You guys are too funny!
Harley Riders around here do more charity work than all the other brand riders combined.
The BMW riders are the snobs.
I guess it all depends on the makeup of the workforce in your area regarding the varied personalities you may run across.
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Chuck
Great story
and a conversation starter.... :popcorn:
Everyone has a different background/reason/admiration/political stance/faith /color/genetic makeup...on and on...the common thread here is motorcycles...a particular breed of Italian motorcycle.
Labels??
Harley Guys, BMW Gals, Euro's, Guzzistas....you get it... and lumping them into groups then attributing blanket characteristics to them that extend beyond the motorcycle(s) they ride is totally ridiculous.
lots of great folks out there...some not so much at times. I hope we all never become a product of our preconceptions and labels.
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I didn't know a Harley could catch a scooter.
It depends on the particulars:
https://youtu.be/HYYBYGFI8kE
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It depends on the particulars:
https://youtu.be/HYYBYGFI8kE
Hilarious, no Harley going to touch that bad boy. :thumb:
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Labels??
Harley Guys, BMW Gals, Euro's, Guzzistas....you get it... and lumping them into groups then attributing blanket characteristics to them that extend beyond the motorcycle(s) they ride is totally ridiculous.
But we use characteristics such as sex, race, clothing, and what kind of motorcycle we ride to guide our INITIAL reaction to people every day. We sort of live by it.
A friend you've never met except on the Internet (you don't even know what kind of bike he rides) says "Hey, some of us are going to meet at the Sheetz on Main Street 0800 Saturday morning, take a sporty ride up into the mountains on the Gut of the Dragon, and stop at a great French bakery for lunch. See ya!"
You show up at the Sheetz, and there's TWO groups there. One is a group of guys on Harleys in the official Outlaw Non-Conformist Uniform with plastic beanies, and the other is a group on Ducati sport bikes in one and two piece leather gear in full helmets.
Which group do you ride up to and say "Hi!" in anticipation of a ride? Careful ... because when you answer, it means you have made a judgment call based on "Appearances". And because they are "groups", a little "lumping" and "blanket" is happening too, even if you don't explicitly SAY "those guys don't look like they'd enjoy a French bakery ....
Or someone says "Meet the CFO of Hideocon on the sidewalk outside the bank" and that's all you know. You show up, and there's TWO people there - one dreadlocked black guy sitting on the sidewalk with a brown paper bag in his hand, leaning against the building, singing to himself, and there's one 50-year old woman in a business skirt and blazer. Which one did you step up and introduce yourself to, and how did you make that call? By lumping characteristics of CFOs together? By making a blanket judgment call based on clothes?
These are extreme examples, but let's not virtuously pretend that we don't ALL make judgment calls based on appearances and groups, extended to individuals. We do it every day. We CAN make a considered decision to treat the guy sitting on the sidewalk with the same respect as a human being with which we treat the CFO, and that's what makes the difference.
Lannis
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It depends on the particulars:
https://youtu.be/HYYBYGFI8kE
Something ain't right about that little two-smoker ... the front end looks like a Vespa 50 but that's not a 50cc motor pushing THAT rambunctious ride down the road ... !
Lannis
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But we use characteristics such as sex, race, clothing, and what kind of motorcycle we ride to guide our INITIAL reaction to people every day. We sort of live by it.
A friend you've never met except on the Internet (you don't even know what kind of bike he rides) says "Hey, some of us are going to meet at the Sheetz on Main Street 0800 Saturday morning, take a sporty ride up into the mountains on the Gut of the Dragon, and stop at a great French bakery for lunch. See ya!"
You show up at the Sheetz, and there's TWO groups there. One is a group of guys on Harleys in the official Outlaw Non-Conformist Uniform with plastic beanies, and the other is a group on Ducati sport bikes in one and two piece leather gear in full helmets.
Which group do you ride up to and say "Hi!" in anticipation of a ride? Careful ... because when you answer, it means you have made a judgment call based on "Appearances". And because they are "groups", a little "lumping" and "blanket" is happening too, even if you don't explicitly SAY "those guys don't look like they'd enjoy a French bakery ....
Or someone says "Meet the CFO of Hideocon on the sidewalk outside the bank" and that's all you know. You show up, and there's TWO people there - one dreadlocked black guy sitting on the sidewalk with a brown paper bag in his hand, leaning against the building, singing to himself, and there's one 50-year old woman in a business skirt and blazer. Which one did you step up and introduce yourself to, and how did you make that call? By lumping characteristics of CFOs together? By making a blanket judgment call based on clothes?
These are extreme examples, but let's not virtuously pretend that we don't ALL make judgment calls based on appearances and groups, extended to individuals. We do it every day. We CAN make a considered decision to treat the guy sitting on the sidewalk with the same respect as a human being with which we treat the CFO, and that's what makes the difference.
Lannis
points well taken.
my answer?
as I ride up... who ever is the closest....the first group I come to and I ask if one of them is this new friend...I hope I know his/her name...I would have asked via internet. If no one responds or knows the name I'd go to the next gathering of bikes and ask.
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But we use characteristics such as sex, race, clothing, and what kind of motorcycle we ride to guide our INITIAL reaction to people every day. We sort of live by it.
A friend you've never met except on the Internet (you don't even know what kind of bike he rides) says "Hey, some of us are going to meet at the Sheetz on Main Street 0800 Saturday morning, take a sporty ride up into the mountains on the Gut of the Dragon, and stop at a great French bakery for lunch. See ya!"
You show up at the Sheetz, and there's TWO groups there. One is a group of guys on Harleys in the official Outlaw Non-Conformist Uniform with plastic beanies, and the other is a group on Ducati sport bikes in one and two piece leather gear in full helmets.
Which group do you ride up to and say "Hi!" in anticipation of a ride? Careful ... because when you answer, it means you have made a judgment call based on "Appearances". And because they are "groups", a little "lumping" and "blanket" is happening too, even if you don't explicitly SAY "those guys don't look like they'd enjoy a French bakery ....
Or someone says "Meet the CFO of Hideocon on the sidewalk outside the bank" and that's all you know. You show up, and there's TWO people there - one dreadlocked black guy sitting on the sidewalk with a brown paper bag in his hand, leaning against the building, singing to himself, and there's one 50-year old woman in a business skirt and blazer. Which one did you step up and introduce yourself to, and how did you make that call? By lumping characteristics of CFOs together? By making a blanket judgment call based on clothes?
These are extreme examples, but let's not virtuously pretend that we don't ALL make judgment calls based on appearances and groups, extended to individuals. We do it every day. We CAN make a considered decision to treat the guy sitting on the sidewalk with the same respect as a human being with which we treat the CFO, and that's what makes the difference.
Lannis
I understand the point Lannis is making however, I think it is a little out of context for this discussion. We all poke fun at other brands here as this is a guzzi forum after all. I don't think that insinuates any bias towards a given group. We are all sub sets of one group , motorcyclist. The rest is just entertainment and sometimes bad humor maybe. I think most here are way beyond judging a book by it's cover, or current ride. I poke at the Harley crowd often a I get it back ten fold on many occasions as most of my friends ride Harley's. Some people may choose to be easily offended, I see that as a personal choice. The old saying, " If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the whatever" dave
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...take a sporty ride up into the mountains on the Gut of the Dragon...
I've ridden the tail and we rode the back together. Now you tell me of another even more visceral road I need to put on the list!
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What kind of oil did he have in the hawg? Let’s discuss a subject that’s never been covered here :rolleyes:
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I've ridden the tail and we rode the back together. Now you tell me of another even more visceral road I need to put on the list!
It's a long ride ... up near Colon, Michigan.
Local Chambers of Commerce are soon going to run out of body parts of snakes and mythical creatures to tout in their tourist literature as motorcycle rides. The last one I saw was "Strippers Run" ... and I suspect I know what group named that, although it might seem prejudical of me to say which ... !! :wink:
Lannis
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Far as my attitude of Harley riders, my 1st impression is if I wave to HD riders and they don't wave back, it's because they think since I'm not on a HD like them I don't deserve a wave back. If HD riders wave @ me I will wave back to them, but that doesn't happen often.
Used to be most MC riders wouldn't wave to me when on a scooter but nowadays more wave. :cool:
When I'm on my MP3 I wave to trikes and some times they wave back.
Tho I've met uppity BMW riders on the road we wave to each other.
Since my Aprilia 500 scooter looks like a euro bike at the front most anybody will wave to me. :thumb:
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What kind of oil did he have in the hawg? Let’s discuss a subject that’s never been covered here :rolleyes:
That's too funny
:bow:
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Simple moto. Thumbs up, a wave, a smile, or just "hello what a great day how is your ride" when off the bike, being nice gets nice back. If they don't want your niceness move on, regardless of make, model, religion, skin color, or even politics, being nice first usually works.
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I make friends with the harley guys frequently when I ask � ever been spanked by 1064cc�s
At the next light the typical question is � what the hell is that thing� 😎
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Far as my attitude of Harley riders, my 1st impression is if I wave to HD riders and they don't wave back, it's because they think since I'm not on a HD like them I don't deserve a wave back. If HD riders wave @ me I will wave back to them, but that doesn't happen often.
Used to be most MC riders wouldn't wave to me when on a scooter but nowadays more wave. :cool:
When I'm on my MP3 I wave to trikes and some times they wave back.
Tho I've met uppity BMW riders on the road we wave to each other.
Since my Aprilia 500 scooter looks like a euro bike at the front most anybody will wave to me. :thumb:
Why is it so important that that they wave back? Why wave at all? I ride a Ducati right now,well not right now it's snowing, I rarely wave first,I would rather just look at them for a second... Some Harley riders wave..Once in awhile I spot a Ducati and them I'm waving like crazy " Hey,lookie here I got a Ducati " Waving causes anxiety..." should I wave? will they wave back? Now I hate them because they didn't wave back "
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Wave , don't wave , those of us who do it are doing so for ourselves anyway . Like saying hi , or opening a door for someone and giving them a smile .
Smithswede , PJPR01 and I were in the parking lot at Woolaroc a couple of years back , sorting out an issue with Swede's V7 . A small group of HD riders pulled in and were giving Paul's Norge their rapt attention . One of them finally asked what it was , and Paul being Paul asked "what does it look like?" The Harley rider said "Well , it looks like a Moto Guzzi" . We ended up having a nice albeit short conversation with them , one of them even self deprecatingly made mention of how we were the long distance riders , they were lightweights having only ridden about 50 miles up from Tulsa :laugh:
I once had a Harley guy say I was the nicest person he had ever met who was riding a BMW :shocked: :grin:
Dusty
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Why is it so important that that they wave back? Why wave at all?
It's acknowledging that we are bikers and proud of it, no matter what brand we ride. Comaraderie...if you don't feel that way about other bikers I don't know what to tell you. :huh: We are a unique species. :grin:
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It's a long ride ... up near Colon, Michigan.
Local Chambers of Commerce are soon going to run out of body parts of snakes and mythical creatures to tout in their tourist literature as motorcycle rides. The last one I saw was "Strippers Run" ... and I suspect I know what group named that, although it might seem prejudical of me to say which ... !! :wink:
Lannis
Is there really a place called Colon ?
And here was I thinking Lithuania was the arse end of the world !
Sheesh..
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Wave, don't wave, those of us who do it are doing so for ourselves anyway. Like saying hi, or opening a door for someone and giving them a smile.
I once had a Harley guy say I was the nicest person he had ever met who was riding a BMW :shocked: :grin:
Dusty
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I'll wave at pretty much anything with less than 4 on the floor (and sometimes those too), if able. If they don't or can't reciprocate, it's all good, I enjoy sharing the love regardless. :grin:
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People generally find what they expect in this world.
I generally find most motorcyclists aren't assholes, but there are always occasional exceptions.
And I generally smile and wave to them too, as it seems silly for me to allow them to effect my day negatively.
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I'll wave at pretty much anything with less than 4 on the floor (and sometimes those too), if able. If they don't or can't reciprocate, it's all good, I enjoy sharing the love regardless. :grin:
In Oklahoma we wave at folks on tractors , fisherpeople in boats , people sitting on their porches , heck , we wave at dogs on occasion :laugh:
Dusty
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Wave , don't wave , those of us who do it are doing so for ourselves anyway . Like saying hi , or opening a door for someone and giving them a smile .
Smithswede , PJPR01 and I were in the parking lot at Woolaroc a couple of years back , sorting out an issue with Swede's V7 . A small group of HD riders pulled in and were giving Paul's Norge their rapt attention . One of them finally asked what it was , and Paul being Paul asked "what does it look like?" The Harley rider said "Well , it looks like a Moto Guzzi" . We ended up having a nice albeit short conversation with them , one of them even self deprecatingly made mention of how we were the long distance riders , they were lightweights having only ridden about 50 miles up from Tulsa :laugh:
I once had a Harley guy say I was the nicest person he had ever met who was riding a BMW :shocked: :grin:
Dusty
You know the bottom line is that a good person is just that regardless of what they are ridding and a butthole is just that regardless of what they are ridding. I’m glad to say I know the difference and respond accordingly.
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Yep .
My best bud in Nacogdoches was a real live biker , rode a panhead chopper , looked like a grizzly bear , about 6'4" and 280 lbs of badass . Except underneath all of that was a gentle soul capable of great acts of kindness and decency . He built a small business working on motorcycles after moving into the area , he welcomed every type of rider and worked on every brand of motorbike . Guy was a real peach .
Dusty
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Over here, as in America, if you see a motorbike coming in the opposite direction, you nod or wave. Most BMW, Japanese and European riders acknowledge you in the same way. Harley and Harley lookalike riders rarely do. I can only think that it�s because they�re having to concentrate so hard on all the bends that they daren�t take their eyes off the road.
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Yep .
My best bud in Nacogdoches was a real live biker , rode a panhead chopper , looked like a grizzly bear , about 6'4" and 280 lbs of badass . Except underneath all of that was a gentle soul capable of great acts of kindness and decency . He built a small business working on motorcycles after moving into the area , he welcomed every type of rider and worked on every brand of motorbike . Guy was a real peach .
Dusty
Sounds like someone I’d like to call my Buddy Pal :)
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Is there really a place called Colon ?
And here was I thinking Lithuania was the arse end of the world !
Sheesh..
Several places in the USA called "Colon", many more in South America.
However, it was sort of a joke; I said "gut", Jim riposted with "visceral", and I was continuing the gastrointestinal theme. We didn't quite make it to Uranus, but that was next.
Lannis
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Hi again today Chuck!
I was on my ambo, maybe I should have brought my HD had I known you were showing up at Guzzi Classics. Then it again would have been another nice guy on a HD
For the Wave. I try, but in my freeway ridding, I'm usually paying more attention to the cars around me than to what's on the other side of the divider. If the traffic is light, then I have the chance to wave more.
Tom
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I'll wave at pretty much anything with less than 4 on the floor (and sometimes those too), if able. If they don't or can't reciprocate, it's all good, I enjoy sharing the love regardless. :grin:
I'm sort of the same. Come to think of it, I seldom look across to see if they're waving back.
One thing I always make sure to do is whenever I see someone in a car or truck, who is getting ready to make a left turn across me, or pull out into the road I'm on, and he COULD have gone, but put the brakes on to let me pass first, I give an obvious thank-you wave and nod or thumbs-up, to let them know I appreciated them paying attention and noticing me.
I ride with a guy, a very good rider, who waves at almost everyone he sees. If someone is working in their yard, or sitting on their porch, or walking out to their car, he gives an enthusiastic wave as if he's really glad to see them. That's a lot of waving on a 300-mile backroad ride, but it sure beats the "what-do-you-want-damn-you" look and the flapping get-back whip that so many others affect these days ....
Lannis
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One thing I always make sure to do is whenever I see someone in a car or truck, who is getting ready to make a left turn across me, or pull out into the road I'm on, and he COULD have gone, but put the brakes on to let me pass first, I give an obvious thank-you wave and nod or thumbs-up, to let them know I appreciated them paying attention and noticing me.
Yup, I do that too. :thumb:
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When I'm referring to waving to other bikers going the other way I'm not talking about in high congestion traffic where you need to keep your eyes on the road all the time .......I'm talking about on a 2 lane road where I do most my riding that isn't bumper to bumper @ 80 mph. Guess I forgot I'm spoiled since I don't live anywhere near a metropolis any more. :grin:
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Is there really a place called Colon ?
And here was I thinking Lithuania was the arse end of the world !
Sheesh..
Colon is a village in St. Joseph County in the U.S. state of Michigan. The population was 1,173 at the 2010 census. The village is located within Colon Township. Wikipedia
Weather:
26°F (-3°C), Wind E at 6 mph (10 km/h), 92% Humidity
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But we use characteristics such as sex, race, clothing, and what kind of motorcycle we ride to guide our INITIAL reaction to people every day. We sort of live by it.
A friend you've never met except on the Internet (you don't even know what kind of bike he rides) says "Hey, some of us are going to meet at the Sheetz on Main Street 0800 Saturday morning, take a sporty ride up into the mountains on the Gut of the Dragon, and stop at a great French bakery for lunch. See ya!"
You show up at the Sheetz, and there's TWO groups there. One is a group of guys on Harleys in the official Outlaw Non-Conformist Uniform with plastic beanies, and the other is a group on Ducati sport bikes in one and two piece leather gear in full helmets.
Which group do you ride up to and say "Hi!" in anticipation of a ride? Careful ... because when you answer, it means you have made a judgment call based on "Appearances". And because they are "groups", a little "lumping" and "blanket" is happening too, even if you don't explicitly SAY "those guys don't look like they'd enjoy a French bakery ....
Or someone says "Meet the CFO of Hideocon on the sidewalk outside the bank" and that's all you know. You show up, and there's TWO people there - one dreadlocked black guy sitting on the sidewalk with a brown paper bag in his hand, leaning against the building, singing to himself, and there's one 50-year old woman in a business skirt and blazer. Which one did you step up and introduce yourself to, and how did you make that call? By lumping characteristics of CFOs together? By making a blanket judgment call based on clothes?
These are extreme examples, but let's not virtuously pretend that we don't ALL make judgment calls based on appearances and groups, extended to individuals. We do it every day. We CAN make a considered decision to treat the guy sitting on the sidewalk with the same respect as a human being with which we treat the CFO, and that's what makes the difference.
Lannis
The formula used by Hollywood to expose our preconceptions. Usually done with a comical undertone as to not offend us.
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Far as my attitude of Harley riders, my 1st impression is if I wave to HD riders and they don't wave back, it's because they think since I'm not on a HD like them I don't deserve a wave back. If HD riders wave @ me I will wave back to them, but that doesn't happen often.
Like I have already said, I believe this has more to do with the makeup of the workforce in your area than the brand of bike. I can be on any of my bikes and the vast majority of riders will wave back at me. I always initiate the wave because I am not stuck up and require the other to wave first. I treat others how I would want to be treated and if they don't wave back that is their problem, not mine. I am still enjoying my ride.
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Like I have already said, I believe this has more to do with the makeup of the workforce in your area than the brand of bike. I can be on any of my bikes and the vast majority of riders will wave back at me. I always initiate the wave because I am not stuck up and require the other to wave first. I treat others how I would want to be treated and if they don't wave back that is their problem, not mine. I am still enjoying my ride.
This.... So much this
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Hi again today Chuck!
I was on my ambo, maybe I should have brought my HD had I known you were showing up at Guzzi Classics. Then it again would have been another nice guy on a HD
For the Wave. I try, but in my freeway ridding, I'm usually paying more attention to the cars around me than to what's on the other side of the divider. If the traffic is light, then I have the chance to wave more.
Tom
Hi again, Tom.. :smiley:
Sorry for not recognizing you..it's my lot in life. The place that stores faces and places in your brain took a pretty good hit when Iwas a kid. Iget to meet people over and over ..
Yep, another nice guy on a Harley..
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What kind of oil did he have in the hawg? Let�s discuss a subject that�s never been covered here :rolleyes:
You just HAD to go there didn't you?
Sheese!!!
Have fun, ride often,
Jeff
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I can only think that it�s because they�re having to concentrate so hard on all the bends that they daren�t take their eyes off the road.
Yes, that and the fact they need to keep both hands on the grips lest their savage beast rear back, snort fire and spit them off. :grin:
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Chuck, no problem. I have a hard time with names of people I see only once in a while. I remembered yours due to your posts on this board because some names are burned into the old brain. And I had to see the bike to be sure :evil: :smiley:
On the wave. There is a guy that commutes north on the 405 while I'm going south. He has a red/burgundy Harley. For the last about 10 years we wave at each other when we can, just a quick lift of the hand. I have no idea who he is except that we go past each other almost every morning. For a bit I didn't see him. Actually was concerned if he was OK, did he loose his job or the like. Then he was back again. BUT, there is a similar colored bike that goes by occasionally that never waves, IIRC, his bike is more on the red side.
Tom
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As the Harley guy said, You gotta take the bitter with the sweet.
Here's some bitter:
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ARE YOU KIDDIN ME?? The MZ is sitting there, chittering away. A single cylinder liquid cooled bike with a humoungous stock muffler is too loud??
I can see in our increasingly totalarian future this gizmo taking a picture and automatically sending you a ticket. WTF?
Here's some sweet to go along, though. In the (smoky) distance are the Santa Monica mountains where we'll be trying out our new sticky tires.. :thumb:
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Big Brother is after you Chuck.
What do you expect riding a Commie bike?
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Big Brother is after you Chuck.
What do you expect riding a Commie bike?
Hey! This was built after unification. :smiley:
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That's strange, folks are not so friendly when I pull up on my Harley.
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That's strange, folks are not so friendly when I pull up on my Harley.
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I'm sure they wave their hand at you after the encounter..... :grin:
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A recent conversation with a Harley rider. I was on my Bonneville. We were getting a fill up. HD, "Looks like you need a bigger bike like mine." Me, "Sounds like you need to replace your mufflers." :grin:
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A recent conversation with a Harley rider. I was on my Bonneville. We were getting a fill up. HD, "Looks like you need a bigger bike like mine." Me, "Sounds like you need to replace your mufflers." :grin:
Me: "aww shyte you saying this bike makes me look fat?"
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Hey! This was built after unification. :smiley:
MuZ-chassis designed in Brittain, motor built in Japan, assembled in Germany. The OTHER German motorcycle. :grin:
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Me: "aww shyte you saying this bike makes me look fat?"
I have always wondered if Harley guys believe the drivel they say, or if they just feel like they have to justify their car payment for a bike.
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I have always wondered if Harley guys believe the drivel they say, or if they just feel like they have to justify their car payment for a bike.
Yeah sometimes I dunno.
I mean I'm sure some do. Absolutely. Mostly insecure people I suppose.
There are idiots in all walks of life. What the old George Carlin quote, something about: just think of how dumb the average person is, now remember half the people you meet are even dumber, or something like that.
But I know a bunch who parrot some of it obviously in jest/aware of how ridiculous it sounds.
And a whole lot more who don't say anything remotely like it.
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Me: "aww shyte you saying this bike makes me look fat?"
I don't need no steenkeeng bike to look fat.
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I've met jerks and nice people on all makes and models. I will, however, never forget a Harley guy pulling up beside me at the front of a Ferry Boat line. (Bikes can board first here). Getting off and completely ignoring me as if I was invisible. A little while later another Harley pulled up and the guy acted like they were long lost brothers.
Like I say the world has it all, but this just stuck with me, and I concluded he just wasn't that smart.
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Yes, I shouldnt generalize, but the odds of a HD type being a goof are higher. But......a few years ago I was riding NC Moonshiner 28 on my RC51. I passed a touring Harley and went on my way. I stopped at a gas station for a breather, and 15 minutes later, that same HD parked and an older bijer type guy walked directly to me. I though he was going to yell at me. I said "Sorry if I was too close when I passed". He smiled and said how much he enjoyed watching sportbikes in action and watching all the knee dragging. We talked for about 30 minutes and went our seperate ways. Good momory of sharing a break in the mountains with another motorcyclist.
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MuZ-chassis designed in Brittain, motor built in Japan, assembled in Germany. The OTHER German motorcycle. :grin:
Don't forget the Grimeca brakes, big Paoli forks and Tarrozi clipons from Italy. :)
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Yes, I shouldnt generalize, but the odds of a HD type being a goof are higher. But......a few years ago I was riding NC Moonshiner 28 on my RC51. I passed a touring Harley and went on my way. I stopped at a gas station for a breather, and 15 minutes later, that same HD parked and an older bijer type guy walked directly to me. I though he was going to yell at me. I said "Sorry if I was too close when I passed". He smiled and said how much he enjoyed watching sportbikes in action and watching all the knee dragging. We talked for about 30 minutes and went our seperate ways. Good momory of sharing a break in the mountains with another motorcyclist.
Oh I hear ya, though more of my experiences have been like the latter so I might balk at the odds... Then again see the George Carlin quote.
* Shrugs *
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I've met jerks and nice people on all makes and models. I will, however, never forget a Harley guy pulling up beside me at the front of a Ferry Boat line. (Bikes can board first here). Getting off and completely ignoring me as if I was invisible. A little while later another Harley pulled up and the guy acted like they were long lost brothers.
Like I say the world has it all, but this just stuck with me, and I concluded he just wasn't that smart.
I stopped to help a Harley guy broke down on the side of the road, had all my tools, multimeter. Walked up and asked if I could be of assistance. The guy wouldn't even talk to me. I saddled up and rode away, guess you can't help people that don't want help. :bike-037:
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Had the same type experience near my home. The rider just looked at me. I flipped him the bird after he ignored me and went home.
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I was in Utah, heading West. It was during Sturgis, and there had been a steady stream of hawgs headed east. Saw a guy on the side of the road with a red flag out. Wondered if that flag was included in the tool kit? :evil:
Turned around and asked if he needed help. He said, "naw.. got a flat bed coming. You're the only guy that has stopped, though." He seemed content, so I didn't tell him I could fix that flat..
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Yes, I shouldnt generalize, but the odds of a HD type being a goof are higher. But......a few years ago I was riding NC Moonshiner 28 on my RC51. I passed a touring Harley and went on my way. I stopped at a gas station for a breather, and 15 minutes later, that same HD parked and an older bijer type guy walked directly to me. I though he was going to yell at me. I said "Sorry if I was too close when I passed". He smiled and said how much he enjoyed watching sportbikes in action and watching all the knee dragging. We talked for about 30 minutes and went our seperate ways. Good momory of sharing a break in the mountains with another motorcyclist.
I always wonder how the curvy road novices on the sport bikes feel when I pass them mid curve on my 900 lb Road Glide Ultra. :evil:
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I always wonder how the curvy road novices on the sport bikes feel when I pass them mid curve on my 900 lb Road Glide Ultra. :evil:
I will never forget passing a GSXR750, pegs on the deck, on Summit Point Road on my 92 Superglide.
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Hi again, Tom.. :smiley:
Sorry for not recognizing you..it's my lot in life. The place that stores faces and places in your brain took a pretty good hit when I was a kid. I get to meet people over and over.
Yep, another nice guy on a Harley.
I'm right there with you Chuck in Indiana. Prosopagnosia is an old friend I wish I could forget.
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I stopped to help a Harley guy broke down on the side of the road, had all my tools, multimeter. Walked up and asked if I could be of assistance. The guy wouldn't even talk to me. I saddled up and rode away, guess you can't help people that don't want help. :bike-037:
Many moons ago on my Guzzi, I did the same on a lonely stretch of hwy and he was on a off ramp that he could barely be seen. He was nice, tried to find a part for his bike in a town about 10 miles away. Did the round trip a few times until it was decided that it could not be fixed without the correct part. I finally called a friend of his on a pay phone with a phrase that only they would know and then told the broke down guy that his buddy was on the way. We were heading to a get together and he offered my $40 for my trouble. I declined, he insisted. He said he couldn't spend it there, he said you might as well have some fun.
I was in Utah, heading West. It was during Sturgis, and there had been a steady stream of hawgs headed east. Saw a guy on the side of the road with a red flag out. Wondered if that flag was included in the tool kit? :evil:
Turned around and asked if he needed help. He said, "naw.. got a flat bed coming. You're the only guy that has stopped, though." He seemed content, so I didn't tell him I could fix that flat..
Good that you stopped just in case. You know that old saying about carrying tools. I don't need tools, just the Gold Card and a cell phone will do! I carry tools myself as well as the card and a phone! :wink:
Tom
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I have seen my share of arrogant riders on European and Japanese bikes.....
It's in the 1980's; don't really remember the year but it was after Ducati had turned the corner and was building their new successful line of sport bikes. I am at a Ducati rally in Dahlonega GA. I was on my 73/750GT Duck. My bike wasn't pretty but it ran well and was no rat bike. I was poor so I painted the original Conti's black and the I painted the fiberglass tank yellow. I wasn't trying to make it a sport I just picked yellow. I did OK from a spray can but it wasn't concours for sure. A lot of guys trailered their queens in. Overall I never had been around a bigger bunch of snobs than those guys. Many wouldn't even talk to me. I can only assume that my bike didn't sparkle like theirs did. Of course nothing much sparkled that weekend as it was raining all the time. But as much I find HD riders in my area in NC rather unfriendly I have never been around a group like these Ducati riders. The weather sucked but these guys sucked even more. After riding up in the rain on Friday and sleeping all night in the rain and a breakfast punctuated by rain, I packed up and went home.
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Last summer on my way to the Wisconsin Rally, I stopped on a brutally hot Kansas day just south of St. Joe when I saw a couple of ADV riders broken down at a busy highway intersection....tur ns out I had just the tools they needed plus an umbrella for a sunshade...after 40 minutes or so, all was good...BUT in that time, at least 25-30 Harley riders, solo and in small groups, passed us by without so much as a wave or "Can we help?"...two fellas in a Chevy 1/2T who claimed to be bikers DID stop to offer help/transportation but the actual riders couldn't be bothered...turns out the 2 guys I helped were KC motorcycle officers in real life and were as suprised as me that no one HD-mounted bothered to check on stranded fellow riders...just sayin' :sad:
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I bought a new Sportster in about 93 from C&C in Tulsa. Got to know the owner. He told me one time he was heading to Sturgis. It was about a week early. I asked him why so early. He told me he was taking the Company truck, mostly filled with Tshirts for sale at his booth. "Yeah?" "Well, I get there early, then stay about 3 days after the event." "Why?" "Do you realise how many broke-dick Harleys there are between Tulsa and Sturgis? I can't just roll past them in my truck with my name all over the side!" :grin:
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Hello. Um... my name is Darren and, um, I um... ride a BMW.
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Please dont confuse my irritation for some of the HD clueless as a hatred for HD or the better of their owners. I have had many Harleys and I ride one at work. We shouldn't classify people, but we do. If I had to be typed, I guess I am a VFR guy.
1992. Brand new Harley, free work helmet :grin:
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Please dont confuse my irritation for some of the HD clueless as a hatred for HD or the better of their owners. I have had many Harleys and I ride one at work. We shouldn't classify people, but we do. If I had to be typed, I guess I am a VFR guy.
1992. Brand new Harley, free work helmet :grin:
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I have owned and tried so many different bikes over the years. My wants, needs, tastes, abilities, physical condition, etc. have evolved / changed over the years.
My first street bike was a silver '77 Yamaha XS 750 triple with every touring accessory available from Yamaha plus king/queen seat, pull back handlebars, highway pegs, etc. I would love to have a modern version of that bike today. A bike that can be turned into a full tourer or stripped down for local riding. There is no bike made today with a removable frame mounted fairing. I think that bike is why I am attracted to the Moto Guzzi V7 line. I loved having that shaft drive on a standard bike.
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I found that I also enjoy twin engines more than I-4 engines. Triples are the compromise engine configuration.
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Please dont confuse my irritation for some of the HD clueless as a hatred for HD or the better of their owners. I have had many Harleys and I ride one at work. We shouldn't classify people, but we do.
But you sort of have to "classify" people in order to be able to do your job, don't you?
We always say we don't, or we shouldn't, but we do it every day. As long as our approach is based on experience and not just bigotry, and as long as we're ready to treat people right, there's nothing wrong with that ....
1. I've owned 3 Harley-Davidsons and enjoyed them all.
2. I know some folks that ride HDs, and they ride WAY more miles than I do. And more skillfully than I do.
3. I know that some modern HDs are as reliable as any bike made, and handle and "go" very well compared to other bikes of the same genre.
However, I DO notice that very many (a majority) of riders of HDs and HD-clones (I don't discriminate) are "into" motorcycles for reasons completely different from my reasons, and I have no more in common with them than I do drivers of hot-rods. And I do find the behavior of many of these folks obnoxious and not something I want to be associated with. And I don't notice that same discrepancy associated with any other "brand" of bike. It's a real thing, not just a notion of mine.
Shared by many, apparently!
Lannis
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I have owned H-D, Indian, Ducati, Triumph, Suzuki, Binelli, BMW, Honda, BSA, Yamaha & Moto Guzzi motorcycles. I do not believe that my character or actions have varied depending on my current ride. There are "goodies" & "baddies" on any given make. Stick with the winners!
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I have owned H-D, Indian, Ducati, Triumph, Suzuki, Binelli, BMW, Honda, BSA, Yamaha & Moto Guzzi motorcycles. I do not believe that my character or actions have varied depending on my current ride. There are "goodies" & "baddies" on any given make. Stick with the winners!
So true.
I remember when Harley Davidson riders, and riders in general were associated with living on the edges of society. People left the sidewalk when bikers rolled into town. Now, when I am on my Harleys I get a lot of waves from the locals on the sidewalks and oncoming cars. Way more than if I am on a sport bike, adventure bike, etc.
Harleys are definitely mainstream now and that does piss off many hard core riders of all brands.
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I have owned H-D, Indian, Ducati, Triumph, Suzuki, Binelli, BMW, Honda, BSA, Yamaha & Moto Guzzi motorcycles. I do not believe that my character or actions have varied depending on my current ride.
Same for me, and I dare say for very many of the people on the WG list.
There are "goodies" & "baddies" on any given make. Stick with the winners!
True too. But there are not the same proportions of "goodies" & "baddies" on all makes, as we've all noticed. There's a marketing culture around HD that seems to draw folks with an attitude far different from most of us here.
Lannis
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Same for me, and I dare say for very many of the people on the WG list.
True too. But there are not the same proportions of "goodies" & "baddies" on all makes, as we've all noticed. There's a marketing culture around HD that seems to draw folks with an attitude far different from most of us here.
Lannis
I guess it is also what you consider "goodies" and "baddies". I have seen many 'bikers' participate in many charities and positive things for the community, so I put bikers in the "goodies" category.
The majority of crotch rocket riders I have come across use public roads as their own private race course and have little regard for the safety of others on the road, so I put them in the "baddies" category.
I am a moderate and considerate rider for the most part. I guess it really comes down to maturity regardless of what you ride. Some folks never mature even though they grow older.
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It seems to me some riders here think if you ride like they do then you are a 'goodie' but if you don't ride like they do that makes you a 'baddie'. Since I ride according to what kinds of roads I'm on I can either be a goodie or baddie to some other riders.
I've seen HD riders who like me don't ride just 1 way all the time and only when they go too slow for my liking and don't want to allow me to go faster than they have decided to ride, hogging the curvy 2 lane road doing it, they get upset when I get in between them while passing them. They act as if THEY own the public road, which they don't any more than I do. At the same time I've had HD riders blast past me in the same situations and I don't mind at all. If you want to go faster than me, have at it.
Some riders think I ride too aggressively. I think they ride too defensively. I don't like to ride in groups. Some riders prefer that. Different strokes for different folks. :smiley:
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:1: I pass traffic that's slower than me. Sometimes traffic is faster than me and they pass me. On a 2 lane road usually not.
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Like they say at Deals Gap, the tail of the dragon: behind you they are a danger, in front of you, they are entertainment.
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Like they say at Deals Gap, the tail of the dragon: behind you they are a danger, in front of you, they are entertainment.
Hopefully I was neither for these sport bike riders.
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I too will never affect anyone else's ride, but I didn't put on my monkey leathers to ride 22 mph behind a rolling road block.
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Was recently on a ride with friends when one of them had his BMW break down. I was on my yellow MZ. We were by the side of the road, highly visible, for about 8 hours. We had riders of all brands ride by without stopping. Only one rider slowed down and asked how we were-- on a bagger Harley.
Folks in cars and trucks were much more helpful. I always stop if I see a bike stopped on the side of the road that looks in trouble, but I do know that "The Brotherhood of Bikers" is not so much dead, it really never existed.
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Was recently on a ride with friends when one of them had his BMW break down. I was on my yellow MZ. We were by the side of the road, highly visible, for about 8 hours. We had riders of all brands ride by without stopping. Only one rider slowed down and asked how we were-- on a bagger Harley.
Folks in cars and trucks were much more helpful. I always stop if I see a bike stopped on the side of the road that looks in trouble, but I do know that "The Brotherhood of Bikers" is not so much dead, it really never existed.
That might be true, I suppose.
But we can't fix "the world as it is" and make it "the world it should be". We CAN, however, do our part for the things we can actually do and affect.
Whether I'm in a car or a bike, I never just ride past someone who looks like they might be broken down on a bike. So far, as I slow down and give the "do you need help?" look, they are generally on the phone and wave me on past with a thumbs up; either they just stopped to make a call, or a tow truck is on the way.
Last one I was actually able to help was an older (older than me, so that's "older") guy on a 90's Sportster, poking at his clutch lever and cable at the back of a gas station lot. I went over and asked if he needed help, he said that his clutch wasn't working, I checked and it was obviously something broke under the primary cover. I went home and got the trailer and came back and hauled him to his house.
When my Eldo broke down (bad condenser) on the way to the Virginia Guzzi rally, it wasn't 30 seconds before a guy on a Harley stopped and asked if he could help. He could and did ....
So if we just do our part, maybe we don't need to worry too much about "the culture as a whole" .... ?
Lannis
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Was recently on a ride with friends when one of them had his BMW break down. I was on my yellow MZ. We were by the side of the road, highly visible, for about 8 hours. We had riders of all brands ride by without stopping. Only one rider slowed down and asked how we were-- on a bagger Harley.
Folks in cars and trucks were much more helpful. I always stop if I see a bike stopped on the side of the road that looks in trouble, but I do know that "The Brotherhood of Bikers" is not so much dead, it really never existed.
Eight hours, John??? No wonder you don't like BMWs . . . :wink:
Bet it wasn't a K75!
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Had to move some stuff around Saturday. I had the bike trailer and straps with me. No breakdowns. :thumb:
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Eight hours, John??? No wonder you don't like BMWs . . . :wink:
Bet it wasn't a K75!
:) R1100S. Down in WV. The poor tow guy was hauling a bike to Pittsburgh and had to come back and get the Beemer and haul it to Pittsburgh, too. I would've just gone home to get my trailer but AAA kept saying- "he'll be there in an hour". Driveline issue on the beemer. Unreliable buggers.:)
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How far down in WV?
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How far down in WV?
About here, about halfway between Davis and Parsons.
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1286979,-79.6048521,11z
Not too far. One of my usual routes.
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Nice part of the country to ride. :thumb:
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Great roads and some lovely scenery.
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