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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Utrider on December 20, 2017, 06:29:17 PM
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I am considering putting together a modest get together the weekend after Labor Day in 2018, tentative dates are September 6th-9th. It would be an every other year thing (even number years) opposite of the Colorado get together. I communicated with Alan and have his blessing (didn't want to step on anyone's toes).
Initially keeping it pretty low key, I've never done this before so following Alan's plan from Ouray this year makes a lot of sense to me.
This first year I would have it in and around the Heber City area. There are many great roads as well as some nice dirt for those so inclined. There are camping areas as well as modest hotels in the area. Plenty of restaurants to choose from and other points of interest in the area.
So I guess I am just putting this out there to see what comes of it.
I am pretty new to the ways of the Guzzi, but I have been bitten hard. I have a 2014 Stelvio I purchased new in Aug of 2015, with almost 19,000 miles and a 2014 Cali Touring I purchased in April of this year and have put about 6,000 miles on it.
I attended the John Day rally in 2016, and various other get together last year as well as this year. I enjoy the vibe of the participants and would like to give back if I am able.
So let me know if this is something of interest. I have met 3 other Guzzi owners here in Utah and would be interested in meeting others and entertaining folks willing to come here and enjoy our surroundings as well.
Utrider,
aka Roy Shadbolt
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I think Northwest riders would like it!
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That is a very nice part of Utah :thumb:
Dusty
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Cool idea!
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IN! Please keep us updated... :cool:
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We'd be in. We used to be regular down in Panguitch before the tragedy. Wonderful scenic and historic touring areas.
Patrick Hayes
Fremont CA
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I'd be interested. There was also some suggestion about Jackson Hole or Cody, WY for a fall Guzzi meet in 2018. Is anyone working on that?
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I love Utah but that’s the weekend of the Springfield mile
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I love Utah but that�s the weekend of the Springfield mile
Isn't the "Mile" still held on Labor Day ? He is proposing the weekend after .
Dusty
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I'd likely try to be there. I'll be keeping an eye out for updates as you prepare...
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Upper Stillwater Campground??
Although, for this bunch maybe East or West Grandaddy Mountain Campgrounds would be more appropriate! :laugh:
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The Deer Creek lake park is really nice , just a few miles out of Heber .
Dusty
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Im interested,
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Have gone to the Panguitch Guzzi rallies and interested in this. Are you familiar with the Moto Guzzi National Owner's Club (MGNOC)? Frank Wedge in Kansas runs it and the past rallies in Utah were put on by his Utah rep. who unfortunately got killed in a MC accident in Las Vegas, Nev. I live near Kingman, Az.
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Isn't the "Mile" still held on Labor Day ? He is proposing the weekend after .
Dusty
Oh, he did say after😄have fun guys, I’ll be at the mile the week before. I like Utah!
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That could be interesting........ ........ nice little hop to a place I have not been.
please keep us posted.
Ciao :thumb:
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Me too
Camping area?
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I’m interested.😊🤙
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I would be interested in that, can't say for sure if the time would work out for me, but if it does, Utah is one of my favourite places to ride. 190 from salt lake to Hebert city is a great ride, and there are so many others.
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I think Northwest riders would like it!
Northwest riders will definitely like it.
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I will run that by my daughter and see if we can work it into our schedules.
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Wow, thanks to all for your responses! I will be getting with some of the folks in the Heber City area to see what their thoughts are and keep you all posted.
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Have gone to the Panguitch Guzzi rallies and interested in this. Are you familiar with the Moto Guzzi National Owner's Club (MGNOC)? Frank Wedge in Kansas runs it and the past rallies in Utah were put on by his Utah rep. who unfortunately got killed in a MC accident in Las Vegas, Nev. I live near Kingman, Az.
Yes, Wayne I am. I am a member of MGNOC and have reached out to Frank. He was very helpful in getting some ideas together and asked me to let him know and he would put it in the newsletter. I am working on getting an idea of the interest in general, and if there is, I will put in the leg work to make it happen.
Guess I will ask, is this one of the better places to get the message out to the faithful? I was thinking it might be, there is a well followed thread on ADVrider. I don't Facebook, but I understand that is well followed as well.
On another note, I believe I met you and your son in Death Valley in November of 2016. I was on the copper colored Stelvio, it was my first time there. I really enjoyed it, and meeting you and Duane.
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Yes, Wayne I am. I am a member of MGNOC and have reached out to Frank. He was very helpful in getting some ideas together and asked me to let him know and he would put it in the newsletter. I am working on getting an idea of the interest in general, and if there is, I will put in the leg work to make it happen.
Guess I will ask, is this one of the better places to get the message out to the faithful? I was thinking it might be, there is a well followed thread on ADVrider. I don't Facebook, but I understand that is well followed as well.
On another note, I believe I met you and your son in Death Valley in November of 2016. I was on the copper colored Stelvio, it was my first time there. I really enjoyed it, and meeting you and Duane.
AFAIK this site is the best!
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There would be some coming up from AZ.
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I'm interested. Thanks for suggesting the meet. :thumb:
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AFAIK this site is the best!
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I too, am interested, and I am sure we could get a reasonable sized group of dedicated GUZZISTI from Arizona to come north! :thumb: :1: :cool: :smiley: :thumb:
By the way, the 7th Annual "Gathering of Eagles" in historic Cottonwood, AZ is scheduled for the FIRST weekend in May, so look for the flyer to be posted here, and other places, very shortly. :cool: :thumb:
JJ Cerilli
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Never been in that part of the world. It's about 1,250 miles from Central Texas so I'll need to ponder it for a bit.
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They don't have towns all over with gas stations. :shocked:
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Sounds like a great idea. I will try and keep my calender open for it. September is a great month for riding in that part of the country.
Skippy
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May have to see if I could make that work. Would be a wonderful ride on the Norge from central Kansas.
GliderJohn
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Thanks for looking at this Utrider! It is a great idea, and seems to be getting a lot of interest. Hope to see everyone there.
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I made a phone call to the Heber City Chamber of Commerce, office of tourism. They were very receptive to the idea. They gave me some great suggestions, one of which is a tour of a private community just east of town. Apparently the car clubs and other bike clubs really enjoy accessing the roads in this community. I have driven by it, but really never paid it much attention.
The lady at the tourism office thought the weekend after Labor Day would be perfect, as the local accommodations would be over their summer rush. She suggested camping at Wasatch Park and Deer Creek as well. I will be going up to a resort called the "Homestead" to talk to them about perhaps hosting it. They have some pretty cool accommodations as well as a natural spring fed pools and a cave they allow people to dive in. The downside of this place is that everything is a bit expensive, and there are plenty of other options available.
https://homesteadresort.com/utah-resort-things-to-do/homestead-crater/
Even if we stayed somewhere else, might be a fun "thing to do".
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I am planning to be there.
My impression after four MG rallies (or notarallies) is that MG riders are almost as "frugal" as KLR riders (I'm one of those too). Many like to tent camp but others like a cabin or a room. (the Ouray KOA worked good for that, except for the bear). Also, having breakfast and dinner nearby is important (within walking distance is handy for those who like adult beverages).
PS: Homestead is too pricy for me.
Dan
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Six hours for me. I'd do it.
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Also, remember that the 3rd weekend in August is always the New Mexico State Rally in Datil, which always draws about 75 riders. They have been doing this for >20 years now! :thumb: :1: :cool:
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Matt gives away a Guzzi too. :thumb:
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I'm in the mood already :bike-037:
I'm starting to think about the route to take from Vancouver to Heber City, for those familiar with this part of the US what's a good way to go Sans Super Slab without adding on days?
Over 20 to Winthrop is a given but after that?
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If you take the Eldo, your options will be better for gas range. The Griso will limit your choices.
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I'm in the mood already :bike-037:
I'm starting to think about the route to take from Vancouver to Heber City, for those familiar with this part of the US what's a good way to go Sans Super Slab without adding on days?
Over 20 to Winthrop is a given but after that?
20 to Newport Wa....Hwy 2...Sandpoint...Hwy 200....Missoula.... US 93 south to Arco...HWY 26 to Blackfoot...91 to Logan.....89 to Farmington, then jump on the superslab for a few miles........maybe I can make it....not sure yet.
Tim
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20 to Newport Wa....Hwy 2...Sandpoint...Hwy 200....Missoula.... US 93 south to Arco...HWY 26 to Blackfoot...91 to Logan.....89 to Farmington, then jump on the superslab for a few miles........maybe I can make it....not sure yet.
Tim
Pretty much the route I would pick. Here's some more ideas:
From Blackfoot, take US 91 to McCammon (US 91 gets on I-15, but there are frontage roads), east on US 30 to Montpelier, south on US 89 to Garden City, south on Utah 30 to Sage Creek Junction, south on Utah 16, becomes Wyo 150, thru Evanston, becomes Utah 150, which will take you into the Heber City area. Avoids the SLC metro area and any more interstate. Also, many sections are Butler map rated roads.
Another suggestion: Instead of taking US 93 all the way to Arco: Just south of Challis take Idaho 75 thru Stanley and Sun Valley (the Sawtooth Mountains are gorgeous). When you get out of the mountains pick up US 20 to Arco and you are back on route. But, stop and visit Craters of the Moon NP and EBR1 (Experimental Breeder Reactor #1). Yes, it's an extra 120 miles and 2.5 hours (plus sight seeing) but it is well worth it, and is mostly Butler rated roads.
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I'm in the mood already :bike-037:
I'm starting to think about the route to take from Vancouver to Heber City, for those familiar with this part of the US what's a good way to go Sans Super Slab without adding on days?
Over 20 to Winthrop is a given but after that?
Roy don't you dare think of riding without giving me a heads up on when your starting out.
:popcorn:
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Beautiful area with some great riding and exploring, HOWEVER the traffic in Heber itself can be horrendous. Explosive growth in the Park City and surrounding areas has made traffic and congestion a bit of a concern in downtown Heber, I believe they just finished basically a 4 lane Hwy in and out of town. A rally in the area would be a great idea just as long as it wasn't too close to downtown Heber. Even off season now is crowded due to all the new residences.
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Roy don't you dare think of riding without giving me a heads up on when your starting out.
:popcorn:
Ok Dale, I figure it will be away a week or 8 days
I wonder what the weather is like that time of year, ok for camping?
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Hot! With possibility of late afternoon thunderstorms. I boat in that area.
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Hot! With possibility of late afternoon thunderstorms. I boat in that area.
http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=94118.0
Would it fry a Kiwi's brain, I need to know!
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http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=94118.0
Would it fry a Kiwi's brain, I need to know!
How could anyone tell? :tongue:
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HaHa, I asked for that :embarassed:
Thanks Toolittletime and Redhawk47 for the great route suggestions, I'm enjoying the virtual trip already.
I see Bozeman on the map, I always thought it would be cool to visit there, it seems it would be a good fit from Blackfoot but I expect a drag through Yellowstone, what do you think of that option?
Cheers
Roy
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Any more info on the location of this meet, or whether the resort place is the way to go? I'm wondering if we should be looking at reservations in the near future.
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I am still working on this. The Homestead Resort is open to the idea, and I suggested perhaps "allowing" some camping on the premises........the y weren't too sure about that! LOL
As Archangel mentioned the area has experienced some significant growth in the last few years, I think the opportunity for travel in the area is worth the dealing with some traffic getting out of town. I have another trip up there planned for tomorrow, I will let you all know what I find out.
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HaHa, I asked for that :embarassed:
Thanks Toolittletime and Redhawk47 for the great route suggestions, I'm enjoying the virtual trip already.
I see Bozeman on the map, I always thought it would be cool to visit there, it seems it would be a good fit from Blackfoot but I expect a drag through Yellowstone, what do you think of that option?
Cheers
Roy
Most of Yellowstone is 45mph limit, often slower. Anytime after Labor Day, snow can block roads (and it has actually snowed in the park on every calendar day of the year at some time or another). The space between Labor Day and Columbus Day (CDN Thanksgiving) is actually my favorite time for the park, but you have to be prepared to take what comes weather-wise. Out of 15b trips I've made there at that time of year, 14 were crisp, clear, Indian Summer kind of weather. The 15th time, I woke up in Old Faithful Lodge one morning to see a fresh layer of more than 2 feet of snow. We walked for the next couple of days till the plows and the sun had cleared things up.
If you overnight in Bozeman, you can check the weather and your expected speed of travel before starting out in the morning. If all looks good and you're not rushed, go in the entrance at Gardiner for the maximum one-day park experience. If things look good but you need to make better time and still want to include a quick look at the park, go south from Boseman to West Yellowstone and enter the park there, just above the major geyser basins. Either of these routes exit to the south past Lake Yellowstone heading out to Grand Teton and Jackson, WY. Then continue on US-89, one of the west's great roads.
If you get to Bozeman and find that weather or delays have made the park impractical, the bail-out alternative is to go to West Yellowstone, then follow US-20 south to Idaho Falls and pick up I-15. Some pretty riding, but not as good as the US-89 route. However, much better maintained in adverse weather, both on US-20 and of course on the interstate.
If you have the time, well worth the risk - but be prepared to be flexible and change plans as the weather dictates.
We may see you there.
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Should the tent crowd just pick a campground nearby? If this place isn't cool with tents, then I don't want to intrude...
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I spent the day in the Heber Valley area today, and had several very productive meetings. I am awaiting proposals from 2 resorts for VERY NICE accommodations at what are very reasonable prices. Both resorts have 2 restaurants on site, one has a full bar. These are both in the small Swiss themed town of Midway.
There are tent and cabin accommodations available at Wasatch Mountain State Park, which is less than 2 miles away. These will be in the Pine Creek camp area of the park. I was informed that reservations can't be made until 3 mos from the arrival date. I will get hold of the State parks dept. and see if I can work something out for a group, where we can tie up some of the facilities a bit earlier. Link to campground: https://stateparks.utah.gov/parks/wasatch-mountain/ It is the Pine Creek area.
The cabins can accommodate up to 6 people, they will be $60.00 for Thursday night and $80.00 for Friday and Saturday. I'm certain they are just a place to throw a bedroll down, and have a roof over your head. The tenting sites have a pad, and a table. There should be shade from the trees that time of year. Small bears and mountain lions live in the neighborhood, and after last year in Ouray........well you've been warned. :grin:
I will post up the rest of the information as I come by it. The dates for this are arriving on Thursday September 6th and staying through Sunday September 9th. I am planning at staying at which ever resort comes through for us, for myself and my wife.
On Friday I would be happy to lead a group ride around the area. On Saturday it is my intention to have at least 2 rides going, one with a good bit of easy dirt, for those so inclined, and another longer route up over Mirror Lake Highway (Utah Highway 150). If there is enough interest there could be a shorter, really fun loop of a lot of tight twisty asphalt as well.
If you have any questions please post them up. I will be getting with Frank to put up some info in the newsletter. Look forward to hearing your thoughts and appreciate the PM's with suggestions.
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I'm in the mood already :bike-037:
I'm starting to think about the route to take from Vancouver to Heber City, for those familiar with this part of the US what's a good way to go Sans Super Slab without adding on days?
Over 20 to Winthrop is a given but after that?
Kiwi Roy, my name is Roy also :grin:
So an alternative that I have taken, and you could do it coming or going is Highway 26 through Oregon, to Baker City, then Oregon 86 which turns into Idaho 71 as you cross the Snake River. Hang a left onto 95 and then at New Meadows onto 55 South to Banks. Take the Lowman/Banks Road to Idaho 21. Here you have a choice to make if you go South, well it is an amazing fun road........BUT you will hit the slab just South of Boise, and it isn't a lot of fun. If you go North and through Stanley, it is sensational and you have a choice to go down 75 through Sun Valley, or 93 through Arco.
Anyway, I hope which ever way you choose you arrive safely as I look forward to meeting everyone!
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Pretty much the route I would pick. Here's some more ideas:
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I strongly second Redhawk's recommendations -- those are really nice routes I've ridden many times. I don't recommend the Bozeman to Yellowstone idea, because of the traffic and because the roads and scenery are not superior to Redhawk's.
Have fun. Wish I could be out West then.
Moto
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On Friday I would be happy to lead a group ride around the area. On Saturday it is my intention to have at least 2 rides going, one with a good bit of easy dirt, for those so inclined, and another longer route up over Mirror Lake Highway (Utah Highway 150). If there is enough interest there could be a shorter, really fun loop of a lot of tight twisty asphalt as well.
Hwy 150 looks good; it is a Butler map recommended route. I have not ridden it.
Is the "shorter, really fun loop of a lot of tight twisty asphalt " the Alpine Loop, Hwy 92? I have ridden that and would call east half TIGHT. I think an out and back would be more fun than a loop.
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Hwy 150 looks good; it is a Butler map recommended route. I have not ridden it.
Is the "shorter, really fun loop of a lot of tight twisty asphalt " the Alpine Loop, Hwy 92? I have ridden that and would call east half TIGHT. I think an out and back would be more fun than a loop.
Dan, yes that is how it would start, but then when you come out the bottom of American Fork canyon, you go right at Highland Dr and stay against the mountain through Draper and Sandy to Big Cottonwood Canyon. Up Big Cottonwood Canyon to Guardsman Pass and drop down into the Heber Valley. When this road comes down off of Guardsman it will go right by the Pine Creek campground and into Midway.
I thought about the 92 out and back, however I know when I travel, I tend to prefer loops and see a bit more than an out and back. Even reversing the above route would be fun. Big Cottonwood Canyon is beautiful and the road from the summit of Guardsman down into Midway will remind you a lot of 92. :grin:
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I am really glad to see this in the works. Don Boyd was one of my best friends. I introduced him to Moto Guzzis many years ago when we both were living in Lincoln, NE. The year he died my wife and I visited the Boyds at their home in Cedar City. Don and I did a lot of riding all around that area and it was to be last time I was with him. We attended a rally in the mountains north of Elko Nevada on that trip as well. I hope you can get this rally up and going and if it at all possible I would love to attend. Reading about all of this has brought back some great memories. Riding in Utah is some of best I have ever done. Thanks
Cedar City Utah June 16th 2005
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I am really glad to see this in the works. Don Boyd was one of my best friends. I introduced him to Moto Guzzis many years ago when we both were living in Lincoln, NE. The year he died my wife and I visited the Boyds at their home in Cedar City. Don and I did a lot of riding all around that area and it was to be last time I was with him. We attended a rally in the mountains north of Elko Nevada on that trip as well. I hope you can get this rally up and going and if it at all possible I would love to attend. Reading about all of this has brought back some great memories. Riding in Utah is some of best I have ever done. Thanks
Cedar City Utah June 16th 2005
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Thank you sir for that fine honor, paid to Don. I have heard about Mr. Boyd from a couple of the other members here and I hope I can honor his memory and create a new experience sharing some of what the best of Utah has to offer, as well as an experience that people will remember.
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The Wasatch Mountain site says the 'MNTGRP' Group area is available online now and is $125.00/night for up to 75 people...what about getting that and splitting the cost?
https://utahstateparks.reserveamerica.com/campsiteDetails.do?contractCode=UT&siteId=28365&parkId=342921 (https://utahstateparks.reserveamerica.com/campsiteDetails.do?contractCode=UT&siteId=28365&parkId=342921)
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The Wasatch Mountain site says the 'MNTGRP' Group area is available online now and is $125.00/night for up to 75 people...what about getting that and splitting the cost?
https://utahstateparks.reserveamerica.com/campsiteDetails.do?contractCode=UT&siteId=28365&parkId=342921 (https://utahstateparks.reserveamerica.com/campsiteDetails.do?contractCode=UT&siteId=28365&parkId=342921)
I was going to suggest that. I don't have any problem fronting the cost. I believe it said that you had to have a minimum of 25, do you think that's possible? I was optimistically thinking about 15 to 20. I am a more the merrier kind of guy, and if that would work I'm up for it.
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I plan on coming for sure, probably tow along a SuperTenere rider is that OK?
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I plan on coming for sure, probably tow along a SuperTenere rider is that OK?
Hey, I've never seen anyone on a two-wheeled vehicle turned away from a not-a-rally. Heck, I've never seen anyone turned away at all!
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Ok Dale, I figure it will be away a week or 8 days
I wonder what the weather is like that time of year, ok for camping?
Hey Roy.......... sorry bout that been busy with work and all.
Ive ridden the SawTooths in Sept and it can be brisk that time of year for sure.
If I saddle up for this one I will probably room it...... hot showers and all......... I know your a better man than me :grin:
Ciao
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Maybe the best plan would pick out one campground and one roof-shower-bed type place. Wasn't there some talk about a paricular resort?
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I'm thinking 25 people willing to tent-camp would be stretching it for this bunch...I wonder why they won't take individual reservations until the season has already begun... :huh:
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I plan on coming for sure, probably tow along a SuperTenere rider is that OK?
Yes, please all are welcome.
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Maybe the best plan would pick out one campground and one roof-shower-bed type place. Wasn't there some talk about a paricular resort?
Yes, I have the proposals from 2 resorts. They are very attractive and actually were pretty excited to have this opportunity to "host" our get together. I am finalizing the specifics right now and hope to have an announcement later this week.
https://zermattresort.com/
https://homesteadresort.com/
These properties are basically across the street from each other and within 2 miles of the camp area. If people wanted to fly a significant other in and out of Salt Lake, both of these properties would be very nice to just hang out in. Spa amenities, beautiful properties and scenery. I want to ride, but my wife has already let me know, I might be riding solo........ :bike-037:
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A bit rich for my budget; I'll be camping.
Dan
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I'm thinking 25 people willing to tent-camp would be stretching it for this bunch...I wonder why they won't take individual reservations until the season has already begun... :huh:
The campsite I looked at was the Springer site, it had the minimum. The site you posted, did not have a minimum, so I think that would work and still accommodate up to 75. How many people do you think would be there Thursday night? I could tie up the site for Friday and Saturday night, for sure and if there was enough interest for Thursday night add that later. For the 2 nights it would be $250.00, if that were split by 10 it would be $25 bucks each for both nights. If only a few came in Thursday night, they could just get an individual spot.
If someone wanted to drive their RV and trailer their bike, there are 50 amp hookups and 4 paved spots available for that as well.
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I no longer own a Guzzi, but I may be interested.
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I'm going to need Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and I'll make my own reservations for Sunday...I'm willing to split Thursday night with whoever shows up...
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I no longer own a Guzzi, but I may be interested.
Come on down, we would be glad to see you.
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Thanks,
Maybe NCDAN will show up with his (used to be mine) CALVIN :grin:
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Aschema, you riding a CB1100 now?
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Yep, and a 2016 Bandit 1250
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Any updates? :popcorn:
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I’ve blocked out Thursday and Friday at my office. Tentative plan: leave Denver Wednesday afternoon, stay overnight in Glenwood, arrive rally Thursday afternoon. Any Denver folks up for that?
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First Bi-Annual Moto Guzzi
Utah Get-Together, N.A.R.
When: Thursday, September 6th-Sunday, September 9th 2018
Where: The beautiful Midway Valley in Northern Utah.
Host: Roy Shadbolt, rshadbolt@msn.com 801-589-4725
The fantastic Zermatt Resort will be the base of operations. We will be able to reserve a room for $139 per night plus tax (resort fees are being waived). You may reserve either a King single room, or a double Queen room. The following link will be good until mid-April.
https://reservations.travelclick.com/98229?groupID=2119562 A new one will be provided when it becomes available.
Camping: I have reserved the Springer-Hollow Group site for those interested in camping for Friday and Saturday night. If there is sufficient interest I will reserve for Thursday night also.
Wasatch Mountain State Park, Pine Creek campground. https://stateparks.utah.gov/parks/wasatch-mountain/
There will be a fun ride available on Friday. About 120 miles.
There will be 2 group rides available to participate in on Saturday.
1. Will be up Chalk Creek Rd, to Evanston, then over Mirror Lake Highway and back to Midway thru Kamas. Approx 200 miles.
2. A dirt/street ride for those so inclined, that will include about 50 miles of easy dirt road (part of the Utah BDR) total about 150 miles.
I started a new thread, but I thought I better put this up in the old one as well. Hope to hear from and see you all there!