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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Beerman on December 27, 2017, 01:50:42 PM
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I had been looking at getting a tourer - the California 1400 has been on my mind, but it's just too heavy for me at present. I've ordered the Triumph Speedmaster 2018 for March delivery - wonderful looking bike (though no more so than the Cali), and lighter.
I couldn't bring myself to be Guzziless - so the V711 Special stays, and I'm delighted with that. And I get to retain my interest in this fantastic forum! I will report in due course.
Happy New Year,
Beerman
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Keeping the Guzzi is a good thing. However, you should have no regrets about buying a Triumph...that new Speedmaster is a nice looking motorcycle!! :thumb: :1: :cool:
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I had been looking at getting a tourer - the California 1400 has been on my mind, but it's just too heavy for me at present. I've ordered the Triumph Speedmaster 2018 for March delivery - wonderful looking bike (though no more so than the Cali), and lighter.
I couldn't bring myself to be Guzziless - so the V711 Special stays, and I'm delighted with that. And I get to retain my interest in this fantastic forum! I will report in due course.
Happy New Year,
Beerman
Weren't keen on a Norge ?
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Weren't keen on a Norge ?
I didn't look at it closely enough to have a view - perhaps I should have done. I was hugely impressed by the California in terms of sheer presence; the Triumph looks equally special. We'll see!
Beerman
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I didn't look at it closely enough to have a view - perhaps I should have done. I was hugely impressed by the California in terms of sheer presence; the Triumph looks equally special. We'll see!
Beerman
Here is my friend's slightly customized Triumph Bonneville America, (I believe the predecessor to the Speedmaster), which he really likes! :cool:
Also, everyone I know that has purchased a Norge LOVES that bike. The California, on the other hand, is a completely different Guzzi, (IMHO). :wink:
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The new Cal 1400 is so much more bike, bummer the weight was the decider
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The new Bonnies are Triumph's best seller by far. The new Speedmaster will be a big improvement on the under powered previous model. Just watch out for the finish on the crankcases some bikes have suffered with flaking.
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The new Speeds are gorgeous motorcycles. Congrats!
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Weren't keen on a Norge ?
Sorry to (temporarily) hijack the subject, but do any Norge owners have a quick comment on passenger opinions? Last October I test rode a 2013 Triumph Trophy (Norge's direct competition) &, altho I loved it, my wife complained that she had quite a bit of buffeting at 60+ mph. I've had no opportunity to test ride a Norge so don't know if that's also the case with it.
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Sorry to (temporarily) hijack the subject, but do any Norge owners have a quick comment on passenger opinions? Last October I test rode a 2013 Triumph Trophy (Norge's direct competition) &, altho I loved it, my wife complained that she had quite a bit of buffeting at 60+ mph. I've had no opportunity to test ride a Norge so don't know if that's also the case with it.
In my observations, both personal and from others experiences, there is NO one size fits all wind screens. Even the apparent wind direction changes will effect comfort considerably, as does how far you are from the screen, the rider and passenger height, speed...
The power adjustability of wind screens help but sometimes it is just impossible to get it where both pilot and passenger are in undisturbed air. The disturbed air off of the riders helmet can mess with the air flow over the passengers helmet. I guess that's why there are so many options out there on the market.
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The new Cal 1400 is so much more bike, bummer the weight was the decider ( Bush speak )
I saw the Cali 1400 at the dealer. It is, is has to be said, (IMHO of course) a very beautiful machine, and its a Guzzi, but...I have a gravel drive. My wife is broadly tolerant of a third bike in the garage, but, regrettably, intolerant of my tarmacking over the drive. There is about 200lbs (>100kg) difference between the new Speedmaster and the California, so...I will let you know what it is like come March!
Beerman
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Here is my old '93 SP1000-III. It was a great bike, and there were no wind issues for me as the rider. However, my wife often complained of "helmet buffeting" @ 75-80 mph...so I sold it.
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Darren is correct...we come in all different shapes, sizes, and heights, and every motorcycle is different, so you have to find the model that fits your specific needs...
Although it is a "whale"(871 pounds!!!) and I nicknamed her "Moby Dick", this is the bike (2014 Victory Vision) that I use exclusively for two up riding. With it's electric windshield, and large trunk / backrest, my wife claims it is the most comfortable, quietest ride she has ever experienced on two wheels, so as the Chinese say: "Happy Wife...Happy Life!" :wink: :cool: :smiley:
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For solo outings, I am always on my '98 Centauro GT
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*Love* Triumph Speedmaster's. Excellent choice !! :cool:
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*Love* Triumph Speedmaster's. Excellent choice !! :cool:
Back in 2011, on the trip to the West Coast, I remember seeing an old duffer on his Speedmaster at a rest stop. He said he LOVED his Triumph. :1: :thumb: :cool:
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Of course the watch to go with your bike.
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As soon as you see the word 'Speed' in a motorcycle's designation you know it's going to be a slow, evil handling disappointment.
Sorry, S'true.
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Sorry to (temporarily) hijack the subject, but do any Norge owners have a quick comment on passenger opinions? Last October I test rode a 2013 Triumph Trophy (Norge's direct competition) &, altho I loved it, my wife complained that she had quite a bit of buffeting at 60+ mph. I've had no opportunity to test ride a Norge so don't know if that's also the case with it.
I owned a 2014 Triumph Trophy SE with the Triumph trunk mounted and my wife had no issues with buffeting. I had to adjust the windscreen height for her comfort and all was good. I am 5'11" with a long torso and with the screen at the highest position I was barely looking over it on a flat road.
The trophy with its 300 mile range, electronically adjustable suspension, Bluetooth connected entertainment system, etc. is a direct competitor to the BMW R1200RT. The Norge along with the Concours 1400, the ST1300 have been left in the dust. The latest iteration of the FJR1300ES (Electronic Suspension) comes closest but still not quite there.
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The new Speeds are gorgeous motorcycles. Congrats!
Triumph seems to have forgotten how to get it wrong...
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As soon as you see the word 'Speed' in a motorcycle's designation you know it's going to be a slow, evil handling disappointment.
Sorry, S'true.
Ummm...
Triumph Speed Triple ???
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I don't know why, but I never fail to be amazed at replies to these like this that are akin to others taking the OP's choice in bike as some sort of personal affront to their tastes.
I'm not sure the Speedmaster would be my choice in the Bonnie line, but it's a good looking bike and probably will be both fun and reliable.
Congrats, enjoy!
I saw the Cali 1400 at the dealer. It is, is has to be said, (IMHO of course) a very beautiful machine, and its a Guzzi, but...I have a gravel drive. My wife is broadly tolerant of a third bike in the garage, but, regrettably, intolerant of my tarmacking over the drive. There is about 200lbs (>100kg) difference between the new Speedmaster and the California, so...I will let you know what it is like come March!
Beerman
Just because I pick nits professionally, isn't the difference closer to 100#, well at least if you compare the Eldo 1400 to the Speedmaster. The dry weights are ~540 vs 660, so wet weights are probably in the ~580 vs 700 range.
That said what's the problem with the gravel, incline or ???
I've got gravel and want to pave it so I can push bikes out of the garage or around the driveway, but when it comes to riding in for the short distance from the street to the garage there's not a big difference say between the 450# V7 and the 800# RK.
THAT SAID, I totally get wanting something smaller for other reasons too. I love my RK but it's as big a bike as I ever want and if say the slightly smaller new 700# Heritage was available when I bought it last year I might have gone that direction.
An though I want to like the Cali, especially the Eldo it's still got a huge wheelbase and length even with the lower weight.
I dunno....I guess I get the Speedmaster.
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As soon as you see the word 'Speed' in a motorcycle's designation you know it's going to be a slow, evil handling disappointment.
Sorry, S'true.
NOT the case with the Speed Triple.
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As soon as you see the word 'Speed' in a motorcycle's designation you know it's going to be a slow, evil handling disappointment.
Sorry, S'true.
Good thing you were only talking about motorcycles because Speed Racer was capable of 250mph.
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I had a Triumph Thunderbird 1700 which I dearly loved, but it was very awkward at low speed, or I should say I was very awkward on it at low speed. It was beautiful when moving but I'm just not man enough for a ~750lb bike. I really wanted a California because it is The Most Beautiful Bike in the Universe, but I thought I'd just be similarly challenged.
So I sold the TBird and bought the new Triumph Bonneville Bobber, which the SpeedMaster shares many parts with. Now it's not a cruiser (I decided I didn't really like foot-forward controls) but it is the most incredible, fun bike to hoon around on. Small fuel tank is an issue to some, but my bladder has a smaller capacity so it's not an issue to me.
A previous poster said that Triumph seems to have forgotten how to do things wrong. I do agree. As a Brit (though exiled to the Pacific North West of the USA) I was skeptical about the Triumph rebirth as I've never liked appeals to patriotism to make you buy something. But John Bloor and his team have really made it a great company: any of the bikes in their range are contenders for your money if you're interested in that sector.
I do wish that Bloor would buy Guzzi. The core material is all there with Guzzi. Just think what their (Triumph's) skill in manufacturing and execution could do, plus their dealer network. It probably will never happen, but I can dream!
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I've had pretty good luck with Triumphs and they did a really nice job with the new Speedmaster. Like Guzzi, they have had trouble cracking the cruiser thing still so important to the US market. The revised Speedy sort of splits the difference between a retro roadster and a cruiser which may help as it did with the Bobber in that line. Unfortunately, I'm not a fan of radiators which is why I own a V7 now instead of a new Triumph.
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I've had pretty good luck with Triumphs and they did a really nice job with the new Speedmaster. Like Guzzi, they have had trouble cracking the cruiser thing still so important to the US market. The revised Speedy sort of splits the difference between a retro roadster and a cruiser which may help as it did with the Bobber in that line. Unfortunately, I'm not a fan of radiators which is why I own a V7 now instead of a new Triumph.
I go either way with the radiator. For me the shaft drive tilts me towards Moto Guzzi over the other European brands. The shaft drive is also why I owned the Concours 1400 and the Trophy SE. Is someone would make a 800cc sport tourer with shaft drive and 500 lbs I would be a buyer. Although the Trophy SE got amazing fuel economy if you kept out of the throttle. Very aerodynamic motorcycle.
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for me on radiators its context, I don't have a problem with them on a big touring or sport touring bike. They just seem to stick out a bit on a classic roadster to me. My Vespa (GT) even has one, tho it's very well hidden...
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I'm no fan of water-cooled bikes in general, but man Triumph did such a good job of integrating it into the new Bonnies and the radiator is no more intrusive than an oil cooler on those models.
That said I'm more a shaft or belt guy than a chain.
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Just because I pick nits professionally, isn't the difference closer to 100#, well at least if you compare the Eldo 1400 to the Speedmaster. The dry weights are ~540 vs 660, so wet weights are probably in the ~580 vs 700 range.
That said what's the problem with the gravel, incline or ???
You are of course correct on the weight, but I was looking specifically at the Touring version because that was the one in the showroom, and they were up for a deal. I think that one is 40-50lbs heavier, so it starts to add up; throw in the gravel and I think to myself that I will see what it's like with the 'lighter' bike (though the Soeedmaster is still quite heavy).
And I agree with you about the shaft drive point you made in another post.
Cheers,
Beerman
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You are of course correct on the weight, but I was looking specifically at the Touring version because that was the one in the showroom, and they were up for a deal. I think that one is 40-50lbs heavier, so it starts to add up; throw in the gravel and I think to myself that I will see what it's like with the 'lighter' bike (though the Soeedmaster is still quite heavy).
And I agree with you about the shaft drive point you made in another post.
Cheers,
Beerman
Oh yeah the C and T models, especially the T, were even heavier. And whatever Cali 1400 weight we use they all have the aircraft carrier length/wheelbase.
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I was fortunate to have a chance to get on a buddy's 1400 Touring over thanksgiving weekend. I'd stopped by with my not motorcycle savvy girlfriend and started talking the bike up to her. He threw me the keys and told us to pick a couple of helmets out. we went for a quick 6.5 mile jaunt, Kentucky style, so it was twisty. I won't presume to review the bike based on that but I can tell you it felt VERY light and nimble. I was stunned. Coming off an old Jackal, I expected much more heft, even looked forward to it. It just wasn't there. Another reviewer here recently commented the the 1400 was too cramped for him, coming from a Victory. I completely understand what he meant. Once on board, it feels less substantial than expected in every way.
Just throwing that into the mix. My brother in law is on an older America 865 2008 (I believe), which I had use of for a summer weekend. Nice bike. Quieter and less of everything than a cali, but enough to be a more than competent tourer.
Anyway from my perspective, despite it's appearance, I think if you can wrangle a sporty or a tonti california, you'd do anything at all with a 1400 California no sweat. My.02
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I was fortunate to have a chance to get on a buddy's 1400 Touring over thanksgiving weekend. I'd stopped by with my not motorcycle savvy girlfriend and started talking the bike up to her. He threw me the keys and told us to pick a couple of helmets out. we went for a quick 6.5 mile jaunt, Kentucky style, so it was twisty. I won't presume to review the bike based on that but I can tell you it felt VERY light and nimble. I was stunned. Coming off an old Jackal, I expected much more heft, even looked forward to it. It just wasn't there. Another reviewer here recently commented the the 1400 was too cramped for him, coming from a Victory. I completely understand what he meant. Once on board, it feels less substantial than expected in every way.
Just throwing that into the mix. My brother in law is on an older America 865 2008 (I believe), which I had use of for a summer weekend. Nice bike. Quieter and less of everything than a cali, but enough to be a more than competent tourer.
Anyway from my perspective, despite it's appearance, I think if you can wrangle a sporty or a tonti california, you'd do anything at all with a 1400 California no sweat. My.02
It's been a few years since I hefted a California 1400 off the side stand so I can't comment, but I did heft a flying fortress off the side stand a few weeks ago and my Harleys feel light by comparison. That MG definitely carries the weight up high.
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Of course, if one wanted a "heavyweight-cruiser"...AND...a Triumph, look no further than the 2300cc inline 3-cylinder Rocket 3!!! :laugh: :grin: :wink: :thumb: :1: :cool: :smiley: A torque monster of biblical proportions!!
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I rode a Rocket III for 10,000 miles. Love every one. Unbelievable motor ans danced way better than it had any right to.
Sold it as I "needed" other bikes but it made such an impression I expect to have another one at some point.
I had that R3, 4 Bonnies, a Tiger 1050, and a Thunderbird 1600. The Triumphs were all well made and dependable machines. As nice as they were, they went away to finance the GUZZIS now in the barn. I don't fancy any changes but I did just add a BMW G310R for the bride as a holiday present.
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Those 300cc BMWs do look tasty. I'm planning on trying out the G310 GS once the weather warms up. Would love to try out the Rocket 3 though. Insane machine.
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I rode a Rocket III for 10,000 miles. Love every one. Unbelievable motor ans danced way better than it had any right to.
Sold it as I "needed" other bikes but it made such an impression I expect to have another one at some point.
I had that R3, 4 Bonnies, a Tiger 1050, and a Thunderbird 1600. The Triumphs were all well made and dependable machines. As nice as they were, they went away to finance the GUZZIS now in the barn. I don't fancy any changes but I did just add a BMW G310R for the bride as a holiday present.
I always liked the standard "Roadster" model... :cool: :thumb: :1:
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So, this new Speedmaster is pretty sweet looking. I wanted to like the original in the early 2000s, but it just wasn't quite right. Basing the new Speedmaster on the new Bobber was a good move by Triumph. The added passenger accomodations and luggage ability make it a real-deal motorcycle. Well, except for the 3.2 gallon fuel tank.
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I'm gonna have to take a long look at one of these, next time I'm over at Brookside Motorcycles in Tulsa.
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So, this new Speedmaster is pretty sweet looking. I wanted to like the original in the early 2000s, but it just wasn't quite right. Basing the new Speedmaster on the new Bobber was a good move by Triumph. The added passenger accomodations and luggage ability make it a real-deal motorcycle. Well, except for the 3.2 gallon fuel tank.
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I'm gonna have to take a long look at one of these, next time I'm over at Brookside Motorcycles in Tulsa.
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Not a bad looking bike. Triumph cruisers were a hard sell when we had a triumph dealer in our area. The adventure bikes were the biggest sellers, followed by the sport bikes, then the Bonneville line of classic standards. When I bought my Trophy SE it was discounted $5000 and Triumph through in $1000 in accessories.
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So, this new Speedmaster is pretty sweet looking. I wanted to like the original in the early 2000s, but it just wasn't quite right. Basing the new Speedmaster on the new Bobber was a good move by Triumph. The added passenger accomodations and luggage ability make it a real-deal motorcycle. Well, except for the 3.2 gallon fuel tank.
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What's this first pic from, early design sketch? I looks like it is missing the second disc (something I believe all Speedmasters have had so far).
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What's this first pic from, early design sketch? I looks like it is missing the second disc (something I believe all Speedmasters have had so far).
Yes. Triumph design sketch. It's missing the front disk and there are a few details that changed from the rendering to production.
And, Triumph is not offering the nice blue with white stripes paint. Too bad, because it looks great.
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I like this photo - - 2018 Triumph Speedmaster :thumb: :cool Nice looking bike! :wink:
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Yes. Triumph design sketch. It's missing the front disk and there are a few details that changed from the rendering to production.
And, Triumph is not offering the nice blue with white stripes paint. Too bad, because it looks great.
I've got an Aussie acquaintance from the Sportster board who rides an Orange/Black 1200N (Nightster) and recently picked herself up a Triumph Bobber in black (before the dual-disc version came out, she's kicking herself a little now). Anyway, she just got her tins back from the painter and is going with a beautiful Orange (with faded gold checkers in the paint).
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Tins:
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I can't wait to see the assembled bike!
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That'll be nice!
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Beautiful work! :thumb: :cool: Please post a photo when these body part are on the bike! :smiley:
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Beautiful work! :thumb: :cool: Please post a photo when these body part are on the bike! :smiley:
Will do! :thumb:
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As soon as you see the word 'Speed' in a motorcycle's designation you know it's going to be a slow, evil handling disappointment.
Sorry, S'true.
I ride with my son (2003 Harley Sportster) and his mate who has a 2014 Speedmaster. It goes well, seems to handle ok and is not too "slow" but it is noticeable that when we come to tight twistie bits the Speedmaster is indeed the slowest around the corners by a considerable margin. It is not his riding; he is in his 40's and has been on bikes all his life and rides just fine.
I always want them to lead in those situations so that I don't put pressure on them.
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Beautiful work! :thumb: :cool: Please post a photo when these body part are on the bike! :smiley:
As promised!!!.
From Tracy:
And finally, I got the tins on TBob! Even more excited than the day I picked her up!
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WOW! That's a nice lookin' bike. Really like that orange and it seems to suit the bike a lot.
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Well done! Fabulous looking Triumph! This is my favorite photo / angle! :1: :thumb: :cool:
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THAT is GLORIOUS!! Kudos :thumb:
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My 2 cents worth:
I have enjoyed a Bonneville T100 since I bought it new in 2006. My first real motorcycle was a `65 Bonneville back in `67, and I guess I never got over my joy for what-it-is they`ve got. The `06 (last year for carbs) has been a great machine for me, especially solo rides. I put Dominator silencers on her and a Firestarter CDI card, and a Carvin seat.
I thought the Triumph was enough for me until I got my first Guzzi 14 months ago; a `95 Cali 1100i. Very different but don`t I love her, too! And the times when the Cali required more work, money, and attention, I always had the Bonny waiting.
Life is good.
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Small correction, 08 was the last year for carbs and 07 was the last year for the less bulbous tank that was required for the in tank FI pump.
Mine is an 07 and the last bike I will ever sell.
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Back in the day, I had a 2001 Bonneville in Sky Blue / Silver like these. Beautiful bike...even my wife says I should have kept that one... :thumb: :cool: :1: However, my pin-headed, "close-minded" motorcycle friends gave me so much "CRAP" about the color...:angry: ...that I ultimately traded it in for new a 2002 V11 Le Mans...
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Learned my lesson from that experience.... not to listen to anyone about my choice in motorcycles ever again... :wink: :smiley:...so you can just imagine their facial expressions when I one day wheeled up on..."Moby Dick!!" (aka "The Great White Whale!!") :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:
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Pricing is out on the Speedmaster at £11,650 basic (dependent on colour) + around £2k for the 'inspiration' kits that come with it.
I've ordered it, I'm looking forward to it...but the Cali 1400 still looks like a bike I would like to own. I'll send ride report in when I get it - but it'll be March at the earliest.
In the meantime, the weather here in the UK has not been conducive to riding. I've just returned from a holiday in South Africa where 35 degrees Celsius is greeted by mega Harley rides around the Cape - a wonderful sight.
Beerman
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Well, whether I should have gone for the 1400 or not, the Speedmaster has arrived and made its 1st pub visit on the 1st good day of the year..
Beerman
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Please keep us apprised of your experience with the bike as I am seriously considering trading in my scram for one.
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Menzies,
Out for a couple of hours today. It is a fantastic bike to ride, and fun. It is a cruiser - but the forward controls aren't as forward as I've seen on most cruisers - it's a midway point, though you can have them set further back. I've found it to be really comfortable, and the finish is excellent. In term of appearance, I could look at it all day.
The bike journos talk about scraping pegs - but in normal riding I didn't manage it. I can't really fault it.
I'm really pleased with it. You may find this an odd comment though - when I get back on the V7 I am reminded just how good that bike is and it's at a lower cost, with shaft drive.
I recommend you to get a test ride. It's very easy to ride, and feels much lighter than its 245kg.
Beerman
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Very sharp bike!
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I had a 2007 America. Rode it 14,000 miles in 18 months and then sold it for a Rocket 3. It was a fantastic bike capable of running at 80 all day long in great comfort. And it got around corners just fine, thank you. If the new one with the 1200 is anything like the 1200 Bonnie I test rode the bike will be a real winner.
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I had a 2007 America. Rode it 14,000 miles in 18 months and then sold it for a Rocket 3. It was a fantastic bike capable of running at 80 all day long in great comfort. And it got around corners just fine, thank you. If the new one with the 1200 is anything like the 1200 Bonnie I test rode the bike will be a real winner.
My Triumph buddy Dwight has a slightly modified Bonneville America (see photos), and he LOVES it! :thumb: :1: :cool:
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This was one of my all time favorite rides. A 2003 790cc Bonneville Centennial Edition, In Lucifer Orange and Silver. We picked some nits on TriumphRat forum, since mine was a POST FIRE bike, not a PRE FIRE BIKE. Story goes Triumph had committed to build a specific number of Centennial Editions, the factory burned. So they built the remaining bikes as 2003 models.
Mods ...... just a few. 440 Progressive shocks, Progressive fork springs, saddle from Thruxton, lower handle bar, TOR mufflers, re-jetted the overly lean Keihins.
Bike never missed a beat! Bought used with only 4100 miles showing, sold to a forum member in 2012 showing 50000 miles
Pic taken Easter Sunday morning 2010, on Rt 39, in downtown Millersburg, Ohio.
I preferred the standard Bonnie to the earlier Speedmaster, but really like the appearance of the new one you bought. (Having said that, the orange bobber in this thread is spectacular!)
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This was one of my all time favorite rides. A 2003 790cc Bonneville Centennial Edition, In Lucifer Orange and Silver. We picked some nits on TriumphRat forum, since mine was a POST FIRE bike, not a PRE FIRE BIKE. Story goes Triumph had committed to build a specific number of Centennial Editions, the factory burned. So they built the remaining bikes as 2003 models.
Mods ...... just a few. 440 Progressive shocks, Progressive fork springs, saddle from Thruxton, lower handle bar, TOR mufflers, re-jetted the overly lean Keihins.
Bike never missed a beat! Bought used with only 4100 miles showing, sold to a forum member in 2012 showing 50000 miles
Pic taken Easter Sunday morning 2010, on Rt 39, in downtown Millersburg, Ohio.
I preferred the standard Bonnie to the earlier Speedmaster, but really like the appearance of the new one you bought.
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Thanks - and you have another of my favourite 'best looking bikes' - the CB1100.
Beerman
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Menzies,
Out for a couple of hours today. It is a fantastic bike to ride, and fun. It is a cruiser - but the forward controls aren't as forward as I've seen on most cruisers - it's a midway point, though you can have them set further back. I've found it to be really comfortable, and the finish is excellent. In term of appearance, I could look at it all day.
The bike journos talk about scraping pegs - but in normal riding I didn't manage it. I can't really fault it.
I'm really pleased with it. You may find this an odd comment though - when I get back on the V7 I am reminded just how good that bike is and it's at a lower cost, with shaft drive.
I recommend you to get a test ride. It's very easy to ride, and feels much lighter than its 245kg.
Beerman
Thanks Beerman, I have spoken with the dealer in Chattanooga about a test ride and a trade.
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Thanks for the pictures, folks. Those polished engines just do it for me, gorgeous.
Sarah
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Their is know one likes Guzzi & Triumph more than me but. For the new2018 Triumph Speed master your looking at about $14000.00 out the door. A Harley softail slim out the door is $1500.00 with dealer support around the world. If a Triumph brakes down( space rockets brake) you just as well be on the moon for dealer support. Rudyr
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Their is know one likes Guzzi & Triumph more than me but. For the new2018 Triumph Speed master your looking at about $14000.00 out the door. A Harley softail slim out the door is $1500.00 with dealer support around the world. If a Triumph brakes down( space rockets brake) you just as well be on the moon for dealer support. Rudyr
1. I assume you meant $15,000.00, not $1,500.00 on the Harley.
2. I agree with your concerns, and more importantly for harmony in my household, my wife also agrees that the Triumph dealer network is pretty slim in the US, especially outside of the NE corridor and California. However, the MG dealer network is even more dismal. I wanted to sell my 2013 Road Glide Ultra and buy a used low mileage Triumph Trophy SE to have a nice, comfortable tourer that weighs almost 300 lbs less than the Harley but my wife panicked at the prospect of breaking down out in the middle of nowhere on the Triumph so I had to pass on it. On the other hand, if you spend some time on the Trophy SE or Norge discussion groups, you don't see much discussion about people getting stranded on the road on either of those bikes - and I have been stranded on the road on a Harley a couple of times, and my riding buddy has been stranded more than a couple of times on his BMW R1200RT.
3. And, by the way, Harley dealer support can be great if they have parts you need in stock, but it can suck if they have to get parts from the factory. Two years ago my Road Glide was at the dealer for over 2 months waiting for a new fairing, front fender and saddlebags after I was t-boned by a pickup truck, just waiting for the factory to make another run of those parts in the proper color. Two f#*@ing months in the middle of the summer!
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Well this is how I look at it. Dealer or not you can rent a truck almost anywhere in the US and get it home. Which is fine for any brand. So I wouldn't avoid any bike I wanted based on dealers.
That said saying you sat waiting for body parts after getting t-boned is kinda irrelevant cause you've entered tow it home territory then anyway.
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Well this is how I look at it. Dealer or not you can rent a truck almost anywhere in the US and get it home. Which is fine for any brand. So I wouldn't avoid any bike I wanted based on dealers.
That said saying you sat waiting for body parts after getting t-boned is kinda irrelevant cause you've entered tow it home territory then anyway.
I fully agree with not getting too hung up about the availability of dealers, but I was also commenting that my personal preferences are colored by needing to cater somewhat to my riding partner unless I want to be sleeping on the couch regularly. We occasionally ride through areas that don't have cell phone coverage and have little to no traffic for hours at a time. Not to be overly argumentative, but my other point is that even the supposedly very customer-supportive brands can, and do, have Achilles heels. Having my bike towed home after the T-bone episode wouldn't have gotten it on the road again one day earlier, since I was totally dependent on the factory actually having replacement parts available - which they didn't. I thank Harley's "Just-On-Time" manufacturing philosophy for that - don't produce parts until you need them and let the customer wait. Yes, maybe I could have taken off the fairing, bags, and assorted other broken parts that were hanging on the bike and ridden it as a naked bike while waiting for parts, but it is my 2-up TOURING bike and I ended up having to cancel two planned cross-country rides while waiting for Harley to get their act together.
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Their is know one likes Guzzi & Triumph more than me but. For the new2018 Triumph Speed master your looking at about $14000.00 out the door. A Harley softail slim out the door is $1500.00 with dealer support around the world. If a Triumph brakes down( space rockets brake) you just as well be on the moon for dealer support. Rudyr
that is funny , in europe harley dealer support is non existant, and you will find triumph dealers all over the place.
having said that , not sure about dealer support on the moon , for either a harley or a triumph.
apparently tesla started a dealership in outer space :-)
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I wanted to sell my 2013 Road Glide Ultra and buy a used low mileage Triumph Trophy SE to have a nice, comfortable tourer that weighs almost 300 lbs less than the Harley but my wife panicked at the prospect of breaking down out in the middle of nowhere on the Triumph so I had to pass on it.
Get stranded "in the middle of nowhere" on any bike, and the brand won't matter.
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Get stranded "in the middle of nowhere" on any bike, and the brand won't matter.
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October 2009 - - stranded in the middle of the Central Coast of California, (near Morro Bay), with a busted throttle cable :shocked: :huh: :rolleyes: - - 4.5 hour delay - - was able to modify a cable at a local Honda shop in Paso Robles - - all part of the adventure! :laugh: :grin: :wink:
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Get stranded "in the middle of nowhere" on any bike, and the brand won't matter.
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I didn't say that her fears were reasonable or logical - just that I have to cater to them somewhat to keep the peace. :laugh:
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any updates on the Speedmaster?