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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: redhawk47 on January 04, 2018, 07:29:30 PM
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https://www.theadvocates.org/oregonians-horrified-others-may-now-choose-pump-gas/
It's about time!
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I had to check if this is a joke news or not when I first heard about it...
There are just so many trolling comments too LOL...
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I love the comments like "I don't know how to pump gas." This issue has always been about jobs. Now NJ, with it's strong union influence, is the only state where it is illegal to pump your own gas. I'm not against unions. At some point we have to recognize featherbedding for what it is, waste.
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Don't live in Oregon , don't care what they do .
Dusty
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Been optional for bikers in Oregon for quite some time. Always struck me as stupid.
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It's downright annoying in NJ because it takes twice as long.
If you're on a bike they always hand you the pump to do it yourself. And if you swipe your card and start the pump before they get there then they generally leave you alone.
But in a car it's more likely you'd get a sideways glance if you do it yourself. Of course if it's busy and you're not a jerk they are usually thankful you "helped" them out.
But generally I think it's stupid.
Besides, with cars it always made sense to me to clean the windshield and wipers at each fill so I'd rather get out each time anyway.
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Morons, how dare the rest of the world be wrong
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First time I filled up in Joisey (Nerk) I thought the dude was just being nice, then I found out I was defiantly WRONG!
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The point of the article, which is that people rapidly lose confidence in their own ability when the option to exercise it removed, is absolutely true. I guess some Oregonians will now go into shock until they relearn one of the basics :grin:
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As a biker I have never let or had a gas station attendant fill or want to on my MCs in Oregon. So this is the joke of the law. But if you appear to want to pump your own gas for any of your vehicles other than a MC the attendants get panicky. :huh: I've asked some of the attendants why they have this stupid law and they just say "because we can." Glad to hear it's finally going away.
Now @ Walmart at least@ our local 1 customers are being allowed to check out their own items @ a register. This is saving WM a lot of payroll (boring job). Instead of being replaced by a robot you are replaced by a customer since the register(computerized) & credit card/or cash use are the norm nowadays.
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Instead of being replaced by a robot you are replaced by a customer since the register(computerized) & credit card use are the norm nowadays.
I use lots of credit cards, and I swipe my own card at the pump, but I draw the line at checking out my own items from a store.
The last thing I need in my life is one more electronic tart telling me "I - I'm sorry, I didn't get that last item" or "Please begin again" !
So there'll always be a checkout person for me ....
Lannis (and yes, I do remember people telling me that the AutoMat food dispenser would replace servers forever, and I might as well get used to it ... )
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I use lots of credit cards, and I swipe my own card at the pump, but I draw the line at checking out my own items from a store.
The last thing I need in my life is one more electronic tart telling me "I - I'm sorry, I didn't get that last item" or "Please begin again" !
So there'll always be a checkout person for me ....
Lannis (and yes, I do remember people telling me that the AutoMat food dispenser would replace servers forever, and I might as well get used to it ... )
Well for your information, Lannis, WM has this new setup where there are a bunch of registers w/wands (if your item is too big to cross the eye of the register) set up like a corral(13) and 2 assistants if you need them, which means no more standing in line waiting your turn. I find this method GREAT!!! :thumb: But there are always some customers who don't like change. :tongue:
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WM has this new setup where there are a bunch of registers w/wands (if your item is too big to cross the eye of the register) set up like a corral(13) and 2 assistants if you need them,
How is this different from the self-service checkouts at Kroger's and Safeway etc? We've had those for three or four years, or maybe longer. My memory ain't so good.
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Wow - that's news to me!!! Always in the past it came up to a vote of whether to allow us to pump our own in Oregon. There was a lobby that worked really hard to prevent it going into law - and I don't know why that was. I recall two or three times it came up and each time was defeated. One of the arguments was that some people who really wanted their gas pumped for them would be out of luck or have to pay more - a ridiculous thought, but it bit. Yeah, they'd have to pay more than the pump-your-own, but probably comparable to current prices. I'm sure there were other scare tactics involved to turn the vote against it.
There wasn't a vote this time - so I wonder why it had to be voted on in the past? Government... :-(
Now, if only they'd do the same with lane splitting!
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What did Oregonians do when they travelled out of state, run out of gas for fear of pumping their own?
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How is this different from the self-service checkouts at Kroger's and Safeway etc? We've had those for three or four years, or maybe longer. My memory ain't so good.
The difference is there are a lot more of them at 1 store. My local WM isn't that big compared to some others I've seen. I 1st got introduced to this setup @ my local Sam's Club a couple years ago. WM probably has more stores than any other chain. Maybe other parts of USA got this feature before we have. :undecided:
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Wow - that's news to me!!! Always in the past it came up to a vote of whether to allow us to pump our own in Oregon. There was a lobby that worked really hard to prevent it going into law - and I don't know why that was. I recall two or three times it came up and each time was defeated. One of the arguments was that some people who really wanted their gas pumped for them would be out of luck or have to pay more - a ridiculous thought, but it bit. Yeah, they'd have to pay more than the pump-your-own, but probably comparable to current prices. I'm sure there were other scare tactics involved to turn the vote against it.
There wasn't a vote this time - so I wonder why it had to be voted on in the past? Government... :-(
Now, if only they'd do the same with lane splitting!
Haven't lived in Kalifornia for 8.5 years but when there some gas stations would pump your gas for you and yes it cost you more if they did. Don't know if it's still that way there.
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Crazy.... I never let a pump monkey near my car! If they tried to fill my bike? I'd probably fill them!
However here in NZ, forecourt attendants went out the window a while ago.
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Since the original link didn’t bother to explain anything, the law has basically been changed so that gas stations in rural counties are exempt. Most Oregonians aren’t impacted, and very very very few people are even close to freaking out over it.
And yeah, it’s a dumb law. I actually read the text of it a while back, and it’s filled with so many half-assed rationalizations (one was that it rains a lot here and you could slip and fall; lightning, I think was another) that it’s clear the sponsors knew it was dumb. Motorcycles (and diesels) are exempt, but different gas stations have different ideas of what exempt means. Usually I can get off the bike and run my card before an attendant gets in my space, but a lot of the time some dude is hovering there with a paper towel I don’t need before I even get off the bike. The law is written to say that the attendant needs to prepare the pump and hand the nozzle to the motorcyclist for fueling, but I know of only one place that insists on doing it that way (and I don’t go there because of that).
90% of attendants feel compelled to hand you a paper towel, for some reason.
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The last thing I need in my life is one more electronic tart telling me "I - I'm sorry, I didn't get that last item" or "Please begin again" !
Oh I got a good one for you.
So today I call Allstate to make a change to something. I get an obvious automated CSR system with actually a pretty decent voice component.
It asks me to enter some info, which I do.
Then it says "let me look that up" and I hear FAKE KEYSTROKES ON THE OTHER END!!!
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That's it, give me a live person "how patronizing is that crap?!? How stupid do your bosses think their customers are?!?"
I'm still pissed.
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I did not read the OP link. I was in Oregon once about 20 years ago and they pumped my gas in my F100 like a Full Service station.
Now in Cali, I'm not sure if there is a Full Service station anymore. At least at the Mobil, Shell, Chevron, Valero that I stop at, there is no one coming out to help me. There is a button on the pump at least at the Valero for assistance, but I don't know what that assistance is.
Many many moons ago in Cali, somewhere around/after the gas shortage and the around the block lines, stations added self serve. The price for self serve was about 10 cents lower. But with full serve, they cleaned the windows and checked the oil and tires just like they had before the option of self serve.
Heck, I remember my mom would go to the full serve station that had blue or green chip stamps or had "free with fill up" give aways like drinking glasses or the like. Then when self serve started, as a 6ish year old I learned to pump gas. Proud moment!
I understand the idea that Oregon had to help keep people employed. Not necessarily a bad idea.
In Cali supermarkets. We had self checkout at Albertsons, could even buy booze at it, but a cashier would have to come over to verify age. Then they stopped the booze per Cali law supposedly. Then they realized that it was taking a cashier too much time to help the self checkout. Now, no more self checkout. Sorta a bummer when I just need a pack of soda quick.
On the same note I was at a Home Depot. Walked up to a cashier at a empty register. Didn't notice it was a self serve/ She had nothing to do at the moment and helped me through. Could have done it myself, done it before. But, one of the items would not scan, she tried a few times and finally had to go to her register and enter the P/N manually. so much for self checkout always being quicker.
Just my 2 cants. YMMV. Rant over!
Tom
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Where have I been? I did not even know I can now pump my own gas in Oregon, and I was just there. (They have always allowed me to fill my motorcycles, just not my cars and trucks.) What an interesting new day!
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When our local grocer installed self checkout lanes they put up signs stating they were for "your convenience". I axed the manager which is more convenient-having someone do it for me or having to do it and bag it myself. Before long the signs changed to "for faster checkout".
I asked how the checkers took to the implication the customer was better than the employees.
The signs now read "self service checkout". And they still have the "checkerless checkout checker". I must not have been the only one to say something.
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Most UK supermarkets have self service tills now. I won’t use them. They’re not significantly quicker. There may be more of them than there are manned tills, but given the way some customers frame, they can take twice as long. They’re just a way for supermarkets to cut staff and thus increase their profits.
But on the original point, forecourt attendants disappeared in the 1970s, but a local Shell station has recently started employing someone to offer assistance. Maybe customer service is making a comeback.
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It's harder to do self checkout properly than many thought, but the latest iterations are good-so much so that I use them in preference over a cashier.
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1967-68 I drove back and forth several times between my parents home in NJ and Ft Carson Colorado...I don't remember ever once pumping my own fuel... "Filler up with high test please, no need to check the oil" .
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What did Oregonians do when they travelled out of state, run out of gas for fear of pumping their own?
OK, I'm a little late to this party, but can't believe that the above question hasn't spurred a quite bit of comments. I would have suspected it would have been jumped on quick. Obviously folks in Oregon and NJ that travel out of state can pump their own gas, but the interwebs are pretty full right now of Oregonians gas pumping failure.
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as far as the gas goes, if they are too stupid and uncoordinated to pump gas how can they operate a car?
As for Walmart, first all they are doing is putting more Americans out of work!
Back in Nov. I tried to use one, I clicked through a few items before the bell went of on a can of brake cleaner. the (help?) girl had to come and check my ID. Not happy, couple more items then a case of shotgun shells brought the girl back again, now pissed, couple more items and then off goes the alarm on a bottle of wine. I canceled the sale and walked away. what a bunch of BS. faster and more convenient my AZZ!
Personally I think one of Kmarts biggest downfalls was a lack of check out humans and it might be Walmarts too.
Rant over return to your regularly scheduled program.
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We have full serve and self serve around here, though most are self serve. We also have a great deal of non-ethanol stations...many with premium. Our local town of Abita Springs has a station with full service and only sells non-ethanol! We seem to have sufficient choices to meet the needs of a variety of customers. Isn’t that how it’s supposed to work?
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Look up the statistics for people driving off with the hose still on the filler. It is so bad that in CA (and most states) they have quick disconnects on the hoses so fuel doesn't get sprayed all over the ramp.
You have these numbers? Please provide?
I mean, I'm sure it happens. But aside from the occasional you-tube video I've never even heard of such a thing.
I guess it wouldn't take many in the history of gas stations for a requirement of quick-disconnects to be added to local codes. But we do spend an awful lot of time as a society attempting to protect the dumbest of us from themselves.
Still, it seems like some 48 states function pretty well without people burning themselves to death every day due to self-service filler stations right?
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Yeah , those drive offs do happen , I've known of a couple .
Dusty
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Sorry but I can't access search engines, but I did ask a station owner one time that had a sign on his business to "please don't drive off with the nozzle in the tank filler". I was surprised that he had several incidences where this had happened over the years.
I believe he told me in LA county alone the number was in the 1000s per year. I'm afraid this is "hear say" and I never looked it up but saw it on a USAA publication (insurance co) and the number was very large nation wide.(insurance claims.)
All I could find is mostly anecdotal stories.
http://www.businessinsider.com/drove-away-with-gas-pump-attached-2012-10
With 41 million fill-ups a day nationwide, according to figures from the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), it's not all that surprising that something goes awry occasionally. No one keeps a tally on hose breakaways, but the mistake is common enough that every gas station owner has a story or two about it, and the industry builds gas pumps with the mishap in mind.
The cost of doing something dumb
Car insurance -- specifically your property damage liability insurance -- would cover the cost of repairs.
Rick Ward, spokesperson for MetLife Auto & Home, says claims of this type are infrequent these days.
"We probably see less than a dozen a year."
They used to be more common before self-service became the norm at gas stations, he says. Customers would pay for the gas and drive off, not realizing the attendant hadn't taken the nozzle out of the tank.
But I see their point, at 41 million fill-ups a day a few are going to happen. But I suspect the numbers are pretty small in the big picture. Though maybe not so small if you own a station and see it with any frequency.
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Sorry but I can't access search engines, but I did ask a station owner one time that had a sign on his business to "please don't drive off with the nozzle in the tank filler". I was surprised that he had several incidences where this had happened over the years.
I believe he told me in LA county alone the number was in the 1000s per year. I'm afraid this is "hear say" and I never looked it up but saw it on a USAA publication (insurance co) and the number was very large nation wide.(insurance claims.)
Our fuel lines all have quick disconnects on them to minimize the damage during drive-offs with the nozzle still in the car. According to local station managers I've talked to, it happens several times a year at each station. You can find not just "occasional" but very many youtube videos of it happening, and that's only from the stations that have cameras pointed at the pumps and choose to publicize them.
We have 8 gas stations/convenience stores in our little town. One of them has always had a guy standing there to pump your gas for you. They charge a few cents more for gas (it's a Shell franchise), but the little old ladies who simply don't want to pump their own gas in the cold are perfectly willing to pay a dollar or two on a tank to have someone do it for them. And it's easy with the wireless card readers, to pay ...
People line up at those pumps all the time. Let the people decide.
Lannis
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Around here there are no break away hoses...Many dispenser handles have the auto on feature removed so you have to stand there and hold the handle on while refueling. Some stations have signs about remaining at the pump while refueling and will bitch over the PA system in you sit in the vehicle ..Locally I have seen or heard of reports of drivers crashing into the pumps
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As a biker I have never let or had a gas station attendant fill or want to on my MCs in Oregon. So this is the joke of the law. But if you appear to want to pump your own gas for any of your vehicles other than a MC the attendants get panicky. :huh: I've asked some of the attendants why they have this stupid law and they just say "because we can." Glad to hear it's finally going away.
Funny story...this reminds me of last year's trip to John Day. At the first gas station I needed to stop at in Oregon, the attendant comes up and stands right next to me. I'm looking at him wondering what he's doing. I flip the visor and ask him if I can help him with something. He proceeds to tell me that he's there to pump the gas. WTF?? Really?? OK...odd, but go ahead. First time I experienced the issue on a motorcycle!
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In Canada we use debit cards for everything, pumping gas South of the border is usually a pain, the pumps don't accept a Canadian debit card and often won't accept a credit card unless you enter a zip code in the US format.
It usually results in two trips inside to pre-pay with a card or leave your card with the cashier then a trip back to get your change.
The main problem is you never know what the procedure is going to be from one station to the next.
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Regular gas prices in NJ are currently anywhere from $2.29 to $2.37 compared to where I'm at in Florida with self serve gas costing $2.35 to $2.38. Personally, I have no interest in pumping my own gas as it's not a particularly interesting part of driving, and if time wasn't an issue I'd be more than happy to have someone else pump the gas into my car.
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Any story that leads with the words "horrified" basically loses all credibility .
Dusty
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Regular gas prices in NJ are currently anywhere from $2.29 to $2.37 compared to where I'm at in Florida with self serve gas costing $2.35 to $2.38. Personally, I have no interest in pumping my own gas as it's not a particularly interesting part of driving, and if time wasn't an issue I'd be more than happy to have someone else pump the gas into my car.
We got screwed with a $0.20/gal tax hike last year. Till then we enjoyed one of the lowest gas prices in the north east.
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Then it says "let me look that up" and I hear FAKE KEYSTROKES ON THE OTHER END!!!
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I have experienced that on many customer service calls. Pretty stupid.
As far as self service check-out is concerned, I don't use them either. Not convenient at all. The Walmarts by me usually have about 30 check-out lanes and most of the time only 3 or 4 are operating......with lines backed out into the store. I only go to Walmart if the wife forces me to. :violent1: :thewife: :whip2:
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At least the pump attendants let us pump our own gas into our motorcycles, they just have to hand the nozzle to us. I've wished we could have self serve for cars for years, but no go.
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As for Walmart, first all they are doing is putting more Americans out of work!
Back in Nov. I tried to use one, I clicked through a few items before the bell went of on a can of brake cleaner. the (help?) girl had to come and check my ID. Not happy, couple more items then a case of shotgun shells brought the girl back again, now pissed, couple more items and then off goes the alarm on a bottle of wine. I canceled the sale and walked away. what a bunch of BS. faster and more convenient my AZZ!
Any alcohol you buy in Walmart in Az. an attendant needs to put in a special code for you to get it. Some times there are glitches and that's why attendants are there to help you if needed. A new system does take a customer a little time to understand it's ins & outs. Still overall I like it better this way. As far as employees needing to find a different job/skill to work, I've had to do that a number of times in my life too.
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Being able to multi-task will ensure employment. We have a lot of transplanted trades people stuck here because of their unwillingness to do other work than their chosen profession. Rough/framing Carpenters comes to mind.
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It's downright annoying in NJ because it takes twice as long.
True that, when I was driving from New Haven to Philly every week a few years back, I LOVED the low gas prices in NJ, but was PO'd every time I'd have to fill on the NJ Turnpike because of the (1) attendant moving like molasses between 5 pumps.
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At least the pump attendants let us pump our own gas into our motorcycles, they just have to hand the nozzle to us. I've wished we could have self serve for cars for years, but no go.
You can pump your own gas if your car/truck is a diesel. I had a Jetta TDI for a few years, and the thing I realized was that most of the time I was pretty comfortable sitting in the car and I wasn’t in a tearing hurry and it didn’t cost anything to let the attendant work the pump.
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We got screwed with a $0.20/gal tax hike last year. Till then we enjoyed one of the lowest gas prices in the north east.
It's still $0.20-$0.60 cheaper than PA.
I think that Delaware now has the cheapest, esp. Diesel.
When PA's gas tax went up $0.28 (which they phased in a little at a time over a few years so no one would notice), Diesel tax went up $0.42.
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I use lots of credit cards, and I swipe my own card at the pump, but I draw the line at checking out my own items from a store.
The last thing I need in my life is one more electronic tart telling me "I - I'm sorry, I didn't get that last item" or "Please begin again" !
So there'll always be a checkout person for me ....
Lannis (and yes, I do remember people telling me that the AutoMat food dispenser would replace servers forever, and I might as well get used to it ... )
Do what I do, throw it in the bag and keep scanning. I plead ignorance if questioned. Never been questioned yet.
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Do what I do, throw it in the bag and keep scanning. I plead ignorance if questioned. Never been questioned yet.
Sounds a little dodgy, that.
If a guy found that if he pushed the coin dropper on one of your Speed Queens in just right, the washer would run without any money, and he told his friends, and you checked on Saturday and the machine had run 102 cycles and there was no money in it, that wouldn't be very good.
On the other hand, maybe you'd consider it your fault for having a defective machine that would run without paying ... ?
I think I'll stick with the cashier! And if any store goes to "all automated checkout", I'll vote against that with my feet ....
Lannis
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TRIGGER ALERT !!! POLITICAL CONTENT HERE... LOOK AWAY... :copcar:
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TRIGGER ALERT !!! POLITICAL CONTENT HERE... LOOK AWAY... :copcar:
Post must have been taken down already, like the last ones ... ?
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as far as the gas goes, if they are too stupid and uncoordinated to pump gas how can they operate a car?
As for Walmart, first all they are doing is putting more Americans out of work!
Back in Nov. I tried to use one, I clicked through a few items before the bell went of on a can of brake cleaner. the (help?) girl had to come and check my ID. Not happy, couple more items then a case of shotgun shells brought the girl back again, now pissed, couple more items and then off goes the alarm on a bottle of wine. I canceled the sale and walked away. what a bunch of BS. faster and more convenient my AZZ!
Personally I think one of Kmarts biggest downfalls was a lack of check out humans and it might be Walmarts too.
Rant over return to your regularly scheduled program.
Well, with unemployment being what it is, hard to see that it's putting people out of work.
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Well, with unemployment being what it is, hard to see that it's putting people out of work.
Depends where you are ... here in Virginia, unemployment is as low as it can get ... once it gets to 3.5% or so (measured the 'traditional' way), everyone who wants a job has one ....
Although standing around getting paid while people pump their own gas isn't much of a "job". I wonder how long they had horse grooms standing around after cars got popular ... ?
Lannis
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IN NC I don’t know the last time I saw a full service gas station. They went extinct here decades ago. Fun story, wife and I did a trip there a few years back through southern jersey, she’s from there. I got out of the car and commenced to put gas in my car. Out of the station charges this little grease monkey bitching me out. Wife was not paying attention too what I was doing and exited the car and came Back to save me from what was a quickly developing bad situation. She told him I was a foreigner and to excuse me. Lol, she also told me not to feed the pigeons on the boardwalk in cape may:(
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It's still $0.20-$0.60 cheaper than PA.
I think that Delaware now has the cheapest, esp. Diesel.
When PA's gas tax went up $0.28 (which they phased in a little at a time over a few years so no one would notice), Diesel tax went up $0.42.
I just filled my car yesterday at 1.48 (just over 1USD) a litre now admittedly it was 98 premium because the station only has 91 or 98 and my car needs a min of 95. Around 110 south pacific paso's later I was done for 75 odd litres worth, I don't think you got screwed too badly on anything, fortunately it takes about three weeks to go through that lot. Something something about death and taxes, someone from the UK will now chime in with what they get charged.
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It's hard on the Oregon trail.
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I generally stay out of Jersey. Last time I was there was a year and a half ago, day I fetched the Jackal home from Rutland VT. Stopped for gas at a turnpike rest stop. Ignorant twit there absolutely INSISTED he had to fill me up cause it was ILLEGAL for me to pump. Okay big deal. So he stuck the pump in, walked away, and in a trice two-three gallons overflowed all over the place. Q: Did he offer to clean it up? A: "FU". Nice to have a trained professional. Joisey.
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About 30 years ago, I lived in NJ. One lovely winter's day I pulled my car into a station, and the attendant proceeded to somehow both strip the threads AND jam the gas cap trying to get it off. I had to pull over to the side of the lot and get a pair of pliers out of my tool kit to break most of the (plastic) cap apart to get the remnants out so I could get enough gas to get home. One of many reasons I will never again be in New Jersey.
Howard
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What did Oregonians do when they travelled out of state, run out of gas for fear of pumping their own?
They traveled only to New Jersey. :grin:
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They traveled only to New Jersey. :grin:
Must have had a hell of an auxiliary gas tank!
I remember on our Renault R8, in Nebraska somewhere, going across country, we stopped in a little station and a woman attendant came out to pump our gas.
The gas filler cap was under the rear-engine "hood", so you had to raise the hood to get to the filler.
But the first thing you saw when you opened the hood was the air-cleaner intake horn, just the right size for a gas nozzle. So guess where the first gallon of gas went?
I remember my Dad driving down the road with the air cleaner in his hand, sticking it out the window to get the gas out. Took a LONG time to start the car. This being 1963, you can imagine the comments about "women pump jockeys" after that ....
Lannis
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It's hard on the Oregon trail.
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you just made me spit my coffee out... :coffee:
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Web and Howard man I can't imagine.
I literally have never had an attendant give me any guff about pumping my own, and if they're busy or slow I'll just go ahead and fill my car too.
Wonder what the difference is?
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Web and Howard man I can't imagine.
I literally have never had an attendant give me any guff about pumping my own, and if they're busy or slow I'll just go ahead and fill my car too.
Wonder what the difference is?
Foreigners not knowing how the locals play the game? :boozing:
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Web and Howard man I can't imagine.
I literally have never had an attendant give me any guff about pumping my own, and if they're busy or slow I'll just go ahead and fill my car too.
Wonder what the difference is?
Perhaps you have something called patience?
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Web and Howard man I can't imagine.
I literally have never had an attendant give me any guff about pumping my own, and if they're busy or slow I'll just go ahead and fill my car too.
Wonder what the difference is?
Up in BC Canada, there are two cities still have Full Service law in place, Richmond & Coquitlam.
Both are "illegal" for drivers to fuel up their own gas.
Now, as a motorbiker, I do NOT want anyone touch my bike when fueling up especially most of them do it with sloppiest attitude as they are usually paid minimum wage or lower as "family biz"
Also, I had actually waited for nearly 5 mins to just have someone acknowledged my existence in numerous occasion when I needed to gas up in my 4 wheels...
if not because I wasn't in a hurry, I might have just pump my own gas and "break the law"...
On top of that, most places are 5~10 cents MORE if you go with full service...
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The new law in Oregon is not really that big of a change.
Oregonians driving non-commercial vehicles will be allowed to pump their own gas -- so long as they're stopped at a service station in a rural area (counties with 40,000 people or fewer) between 6 p.m. and 6 a.m.
Motorcycles riders have been allowed to pump their own for a couple of years. An attendent is supposed to swipe your card and hand you the nozzle, but most don't. I ride quite a bit in rural Oregon and have had no issues pumping my own gas when on the bike.
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The new law in Oregon is not really that big of a change.
Oregonians driving non-commercial vehicles will be allowed to pump their own gas -- so long as they're stopped at a service station in a rural area (counties with 40,000 people or fewer) between 6 p.m. and 6 a.m.
Motorcycles riders have been allowed to pump their own for a couple of years. An attendent is supposed to swipe your card and hand you the nozzle, but most don't. I ride quite a bit in rural Oregon and have had no issues pumping my own gas when on the bike.
Yes, up to know they ask you if you want to pump your own gas because they are afraid they might damage your MC gas tank some how. But that doesn't make what they actually make their actions legal. At the same time they would take my CC and put it in the dispenser instead of letting me do it myself. If you were in a car/truck then they wouldn't offer you the same thing. :wink:
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As a Oregonian for 61 years, there is some truth to this one.. :thumb:
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As a Oregonian for 61 years, there is some truth to this one.. :thumb:
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That happens here also .
Dusty
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As a Oregonian for 61 years, there is some truth to this one.. :thumb:
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I blame BP for that error-prone situation. Prior to BP coming to the US, green was ALWAYS diesel and red was ALWAYS gasoline .... But in the UK, green is petrol ....
Lannis
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I blame BP for that error-prone situation. Prior to BP coming to the US, green was ALWAYS diesel and red was ALWAYS gasoline .... But in the UK, green is petrol ....
Lannis
So you're saying that folks who never traveled outside of Oregon to California and Nevada and had to pump their gas there, that these same folks were actually traveling to the UK and got confused there.
I find that a stretch in imagination by a long shot!
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I love the comments like "I don't know how to pump gas." This issue has always been about jobs. Now NJ, with it's strong union influence, is the only state where it is illegal to pump your own gas. I'm not against unions. At some point we have to recognize featherbedding for what it is, waste.
I think there should be jobs for those who didn't or can't be educated to do something more with their lives. Better than being on disability in your 20s. When I rode in NJ, the guy took my card from my hand and slide it in the pump and then handed it back to me. He then handed me the nozzle and let me pump my own gas into my tank. It thought it was kinda funny.
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So you're saying that folks who never traveled outside of Oregon to California and Nevada and had to pump their gas there, that these same folks were actually traveling to the UK and got confused there.
I find that a stretch in imagination by a long shot!
No, I didn't mean that.
I mean that before BP came to the USA, all US gas nozzles were red and all diesel nozzles were green.
Then in BP stations, they started using green for gasoline at their stations (like in the UK). NOW, people don't flinch back from a green nozzle before sticking it in their tank and pumping. You can't just go by the nozzle, you have to look at the pump itself to see what you're pumping.
Of course you should do that, but it's sort of like suddenly using octagons for Yield signs and triangles for Stop signs. Sure, you should read the words, but it can cause problems I would think ...
Lannis
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Gotcha! I can't remember for sure, but I always thought the nozzle diameter on Diesel pumps was larger than the diameter of gas nozzles and would not even fit into a gasoline car. Haven't checked in a while, but I suppose that may not be the case for all models of cars. Nothing worse than tanking up a full tank of diesel in a gasoline car...that would be an expensive mistake for sure!
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I remember on our Renault R8, in Nebraska somewhere, going across country, we stopped in a little station and a woman attendant came out to pump our gas. The gas filler cap was under the rear-engine "hood", so you had to raise the hood to get to the filler. But the first thing you saw when you opened the hood was the air-cleaner intake horn, just the right size for a gas nozzle. So guess where the first gallon of gas went
My mom told of asking a kid attendant if he would top off the radiator, since the '39 Buick Special had a leaky water pump. She grabbed him as he was going for the oil filler cap on top of the valve cover.
Yes, [PJR01], you are correct.
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I think there should be jobs for those who didn't or can't be educated to do something more with their lives. Better than being on disability in your 20s. When I rode in NJ, the guy took my card from my hand and slide it in the pump and then handed it back to me. He then handed me the nozzle and let me pump my own gas into my tank. It thought it was kinda funny.
Well, wouldn't it be easier and cheaper to send a check and let him go fishing?
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This topic reads funnier if you shift the setting and replace "pump attendant" with "self-checkout attendant" or "restroom assistant". And when you think about it, when the shift occurs the discussion doesn't change.
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I blame BP for that error-prone situation. Prior to BP coming to the US, green was ALWAYS diesel and red was ALWAYS gasoline .... But in the UK, green is petrol ....
Lannis
Well, I'd agree with that logic if Shell hadn't been here first. Its proper company name is 'Royal Dutch Shell', which reminds me of that old saying about the best and worst of worlds based on European stereotypes.
The Dutch are (reportedly) either tall, crazy, or both - and let it be noted that I've met some under-tall Netherlanders in my time... :evil:
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This will make some of you laugh. Up until I read the last few posts in this thread I'd never actually thought about or realised that bowser handles and pumps were colour coded! Really! It had never occurred to me!
Now it's been pointed out it is of course obvious but I've always just read the words and numbers on the bowser. It never occurred to me the handles had any significance, I just thought they did it to brighten the place up......:D
Pete
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Gotcha! I can't remember for sure, but I always thought the nozzle diameter on Diesel pumps was larger than the diameter of gas nozzles and would not even fit into a gasoline car. Haven't checked in a while, but I suppose that may not be the case for all models of cars. Nothing worse than tanking up a full tank of diesel in a gasoline car...that would be an expensive mistake for sure!
Yes, the nozzle diameter of Diesel pumps is larger, except when it isn't. There are two smaller stations in our area that I've had the misfortune of trying to buy diesel from that have gasoline nozzles on their diesel pumps. 2013 and near VW diesels have a special fill port that you can not put the smaller gasoline nozzle in. It has a drop door that doesn't open until releases on opposite sides of the hole are pressed outward by the correct sized nozzle. Both of these times, I was very low on fuel, and a bit pissed that I had drive even further to find fuel.
So now, as a general rule, I look for a major chain store like Sheetz or Rutters, as I know that they have the correct pump handles.
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"A December 2015 Rutgers-Eagleton poll found that almost three-quarters of the state’s residents preferred to have gas pumped for them, and that 84 percent of women preferred the service."
The majority of New Jersey residents seem to be OK with the service and until the NJ Gov raised the tax on gas it was still cheaper than a lot of east coast states.
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"A December 2015 Rutgers-Eagleton poll found that almost three-quarters of the state’s residents preferred to have gas pumped for them, and that 84 percent of women preferred the service."
The majority of New Jersey residents seem to be OK with the service and until the NJ Gov raised the tax on gas it was still cheaper than a lot of east coast states.
I wonder how the poll question was asked. Did they say "Do you prefer to sit in your warm dry car while someone else stands in the cold rain getting their hands stinky?" or did they ask "If you could save a dime/gallon by pumping your own gas, would you?"
The intent of the law is to allow folks the option to self-serve from credit card-operated pumps, in rural areas, at night when the station is otherwise closed. The alternative has been to shut down the pumps when the attendant goes home, leaving night drivers sleeping in their cars until the pumps reopen. It's not a law banning full-serve pumps, and it's an option that's allowed to a small percentage of gas stops. It's not happening in the cities. It's not happening during the day. It's really a non-event unless you need the option.
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I will translate for you
Bowser = Pump
Sent from my shoe phone!
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Well, wouldn't it be easier and cheaper to send a check and let him go fishing?
Easier and cheaper for who?