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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: ohiorider on February 03, 2018, 08:39:23 PM
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I was looking over some YouTube videos of one of my favorite bikes, the Guzzi 1200 Sport. My older 2v now has over 65,000 miles on the odometer. And she's been great, and hopefully, the bike and I will hold up and enjoy the ride over the next few years.
Having said that, I also watched a couple of videos of the 1200 Sport with the 4v (per cylinder) engine, and thought to myself, 'yep, that'd be the one I'd want.'
I owned an 8v Griso for 3 years, but hated the harsh (to me) suspension, whereas my older 2v 1200 Sport was is such a sweetheart ride-wise.
I need to get into somewhat lighter bikes, but if (BIG IF) there was an opportunity to purchase a 4v 1200 Sport here in the USA that had been professionally rollerized, I'd buy it and finish out my Guzzi riding on it. Plush suspension, beautiful styling, CARC final drive, plus the grunt of the 4v engine. I think that would have been about perfect. Make mine silver!
And no ..... I don't want to modify a 4v Norge. Oh, as long as I'm wishing, give me an unlimited time and mileage warranty on the dashboard assembly!
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I'm hoping that a year after my forced retirement I'll be in good enough shape to build and ride:
(https://www.ipothesys.com/wp-content/uploads/ariav12-verde-1024x682.jpg)
In tenni of course
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Just curious, what would it take to convert a 4V Norge into a 1200 Sport? It would entail taking off the fairing and putting on the lower bars and the sport fairing. Come on... Can it be that hard?
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I don't know whether it would be difficult or not. There are a few other items that might need changed out, such as the swap out of the suspension for the supposedly better forks and shock from the Sport. I was simply saying that if the 4v Sport was available in the USA, i would have owned one. But to cobble one together from a Norge, I'm just not interested in doing that.
BTW saw the great pics of your 1200S on the BRP. Great road! I've ridden it several times, and it always felt new, each and every ride!
Bob
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Is an engine swap out of the question?
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Why not try the Hi-Cam motor in your chassis? It will probably fit. If it doesn't? Well sell it on. I'm betting I could make it work Bob.
Pete
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BTW saw the great pics of your 1200S on the BRP. Great road! I've ridden it several times, and it always felt new, each and every ride!
Bob
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Yes, it was 8 fantastic days of riding those wonderful roads on the 12S! The pictures and the memories help me make it through the winter.
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Why not try the Hi-Cam motor in your chassis? It will probably fit. If it doesn't? Well sell it on. I'm betting I could make it work Bob.
Pete
Pete, I know you could do the swap! i don't think I have the talent or the incentive to approach a project like this. I need to get into a lighter bike, so I probably wouldn't go to this amount of time and trouble at my age to build a 4v 1200 Sport.
My original point was ...... IF these bikes had been available in the States, back in the 2010 time frame, I would have owned one. For me, at that time, it would have been perfect. My 2v has been a wonderful bike. The perfect stable would have been a 2v and 4v 1200 Sport. I think I would have enjoyed both, and not tired of the 2v. I think each bike would have been unique in its own way.
CARC forever!
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There's that 1400 motor on fleabay. I can single spark that bad boy for you and build you the hairy-arsed-ist 1200 Sport on the planet! :evil: :grin: :grin: :grin:
Pete
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There's that 1400 motor on fleabay. I can single spark that bad boy for you and build you the hairy-arsed-ist 1200 Sport on the planet! :evil: :grin: :grin: :grin:
Ooh! Say yes!
Curious: how different are the Sport frames betwixt the 2V & 8V version?
(http://i35.servimg.com/u/f35/18/91/78/64/image17.png)
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Not a lot. Only thing I'd be concerned about would be the *Squashed* bits on the frame rails clearing the back of the bigger Hi-Cam heads.
Pete
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I'm hoping that a year after my forced retirement I'll be in good enough shape to build and ride:
(https://www.ipothesys.com/wp-content/uploads/ariav12-verde-1024x682.jpg)
In tenni of course
Cool eagle.
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Not a lot. Only thing I'd be concerned about would be the *Squashed* bits on the frame rails clearing the back of the bigger Hi-Cam heads.
Pete
Is that the same issue you spoke to me about regarding 8 valving my Norge ?
re, the frame rails ?
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Is that the same issue you spoke to me about regarding 8 valving my Norge ?
re, the frame rails ?
Yah. You want 1400 Norge?
Actually even if you can fit the motor you need the clutch and gearbox too. The box will fit, it's dimensionally identical to the one in the 2V bikes. But the clutch and input shaft are different on the 8V.
Pete
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Yah. You want 1400 Norge?
Actually even if you can fit the motor you need the clutch and gearbox too. The box will fit, it's dimensionally identical to the one in the 2V bikes. But the clutch and input shaft are different on the 8V.
Pete
So you're saying my venerable 2008 2v Norge is a candidate for a heart transplant should I wish? Yowza! :grin:
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Yah. You want 1400 Norge?
Actually even if you can fit the motor you need the clutch and gearbox too. The box will fit, it's dimensionally identical to the one in the 2V bikes. But the clutch and input shaft are different on the 8V.
Pete
I didn't until I knew it could be possible.
If I'd got that bloody Stelvio donk that was going begging, I know I'da started sniffing around that type of thing.
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I need to get into somewhat lighter bikes, but if (BIG IF) there was an opportunity to purchase a 4v 1200 Sport here in the USA that had been professionally rollerized, I'd buy it and finish out my Guzzi riding on it. Plush suspension, beautiful styling, CARC final drive, plus the grunt of the 4v engine. I think that would have been about perfect.
Bob, other than "beautiful styling" (beauty being in the eye of the beholder), you're describing the attributes of the camhead R1200R that a lot of older riders find attractive.
Best,
Carlo
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I was looking over some YouTube videos of one of my favorite bikes, the Guzzi 1200 Sport. My older 2v now has over 65,000 miles on the odometer. And she's been great, and hopefully, the bike and I will hold up and enjoy the ride over the next few years.
Having said that, I also watched a couple of videos of the 1200 Sport with the 4v (per cylinder) engine, and thought to myself, 'yep, that'd be the one I'd want.'
I owned an 8v Griso for 3 years, but hated the harsh (to me) suspension, whereas my older 2v 1200 Sport was such a sweetheart ride-wise.
I need to get into somewhat lighter bikes, but if (BIG IF) there was an opportunity to purchase a 4v 1200 Sport here in the USA that had been professionally rollerized, I'd buy it and finish out my Guzzi riding on it. Plush suspension, beautiful styling, CARC final drive, plus the grunt of the 4v engine. I think that would have been about perfect. Make mine silver!
And no ..... I don't want to modify a 4v Norge. Oh, and an unlimited mileage warranty on the dashboard assembly!
When I lived in NORCAL, (2006-2011), I went to the IMS show and almost bought a new 2008 black & white 1200 Sport. It fit me like a glove! Nice bike!!
(http://thumb.ibb.co/fbzAtx/Guzzi_1200_Sport.jpg) (http://ibb.co/fbzAtx)
(http://thumb.ibb.co/gUL5RH/IMS_2007_009.jpg) (http://ibb.co/gUL5RH)
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I agree...you WERE rocking that bike look! :grin:
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What about taking your 1200 sport in for a professional overhaul by one of our Guzy gurus? Surely at 65,000 miles it is far from worn out but could likely benefit from some work. At 65k it's likely not putting out the power it was when it was brand new. Could the right Tech with the right equipment get another 10 hp and some torque out of the motor?
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When I lived in NORCAL, (2006-2011), I went to the IMS show and almost bought a new 2008 black & white 1200 Sport. It fit me like a glove! Nice bike!!
(http://thumb.ibb.co/fbzAtx/Guzzi_1200_Sport.jpg) (http://ibb.co/fbzAtx)
(http://thumb.ibb.co/gUL5RH/IMS_2007_009.jpg) (http://ibb.co/gUL5RH)
No it didn't..
YOU fitted IT like a glove !
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One last Guzzi ?
Either a brand new Red '07 Norge still in the crate... :rolleyes:
Or
A red V11 Sport Le Mans.. (did I get that right ?)
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We have (had?) a guy around Tucson whose 2v lump blew up so he got a wrecked Griso and swapped the 8v engine into his 1200 Sport chassis.
I believe there were some compatibility issues at the time and he ended up using all the Griso electronics, including the dash. I haven’t seen him around in a while.
I enjoy my 1200S the way it is, not looking to replace the engine any time soon.
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We have (had?) a guy around Tucson whose 2v lump blew up so he got a wrecked Griso and swapped the 8v engine into his 1200 Sport chassis.
I believe there were some compatibility issues at the time and he ended up using all the Griso electronics, including the dash. I haven�t seen him around in a while.
I enjoy my 1200S the way it is, not looking to replace the engine any time soon.
Hi, Biz ..... no, I didn't want to replace the engine in my 2v ...... was just daydreaming about how nice it would have been if Guzzi had made the 1200 Sport available in the USA as a 4v also. I would most likely have kept my 2v and added a 4v to the stable. As you and I both know, the 2v B12S is a remarkably nice machine.
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We have (had?) a guy around Tucson whose 2v lump blew up so he got a wrecked Griso and swapped the 8v engine into his 1200 Sport chassis.
I believe there were some compatibility issues at the time and he ended up using all the Griso electronics, including the dash. I haven�t seen him around in a while.
I enjoy my 1200S the way it is, not looking to replace the engine any time soon.
Hmmm...
So the bolt holes lined up ????
And he used the Griso engine/ clutch /gearbox motive unit ?
I think I've been told one must.
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I take it all back.
I want a Red, '07, wire wheeled, 8V Norge, washed and brought to my tent...
I don't expect to be disturbed until dawn... :drool:
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I'm hoping that a year after my forced retirement I'll be in good enough shape to build and ride:
(https://www.ipothesys.com/wp-content/uploads/ariav12-verde-1024x682.jpg)
In tenni of course
What the bloody hell is that...!
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Sez on the swingarm. While it has its points I'm overall not impressed by Ipothesis stuff because they don't understand how the 8V works.
From a purely subjective viewpoint I also think it's as ugly as a bucket full of bashed crabs.
Pete
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Yes, to a degree.
Got an arse like a $10 mule and the left side would be ugly exhaust wise, but I'd fix that quick sticks.
Throw some Termignoni stuff at it or anything that sounded wog like, and there's your chubby on the way.
Thought the fairing looked the duck's guts.
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I loved my Sport and I actually preferred the power delivery of the 2v over the 1200 4v. The Griso didn�t work for me either. However, the 1400 is really the cat�s ass. There�s plenty of torque everywhere and the rev range is high enough that you can hold a gear without constantly shifting to avoid bumping the rev limiter. It�s a crime that Guzzi hasn�t stuffed the 1400 into a roadster package. If I could special order one last Guzzi it would be a hotted up 1400 stuffed into a V7-ish package with standard ergonomics. Alternatively, a 1400 Custom that weighed 70-80lbs less might work too. I just can�t see where that much weight savings could be made. I�d love to pick up a crashed one as a project.
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I think an 850 sport-touring bike would be interesting; side cases, heated grips, adjustable windscreen, half fairing, center stand, triple discs, large fuel tank capacity. Yes, I know, won't happen; wouldn't sell.
Jon
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I think an 850 sport-touring bike would be interesting; side cases, heated grips, adjustable windscreen, half fairing, center stand, triple discs, large fuel tank capacity. Yes, I know, won't happen; wouldn't sell.
Jon
Yes it bloody well would.
Hope like buggery the "new" 850 mill makes it into such an incarnation.
A tar and cement version of the new jigger.
Squint thru' one eye, I can see it now..
Behold !
The new Moto Guzzi 850 Attraente !
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I owned an 8v Griso for 3 years, but hated the harsh (to me) suspension, whereas my older 2v 1200 Sport was is such a sweetheart ride-wise.
You should have persevered with it Bob. Mine was the same, but now the front end works fine after I reduced the compression dampening. Actually, I wound it completely out (2.75 turns from full) before I was happy. I consider it better than the 2v 1200 Sport.
My only issue now is a reluctance to "fall" into corners. I'm gonna try a tyre swap before I consider raising the stanchions in the steering head.
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If I could special order one last Guzzi,
it would be a 1000S with the V11 motor, FI, spoke wheels and ABS..
(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/57b86d14e3df2876f53e1b62/t/596d87afc534a53e65e5eb2b/1506813215522/1991+Moto+Guzzi+1000S)
or a V11Lemans with a Griso motor, ABS, and spoke wheels.
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Hmm, I'd take a Quota with a Hydro engine in it, with everything pre-sorted , of course. Oh, and add a set of 17" mag wheels since I don't want to go off-road. I just want the taller seat of that style bike for the legroom.
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So why not a Stelvio???
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OK, to give a more serious answer than my last flippant one, how about this?
Take that rumored water-cooled 140HP prototype engine from a few years back. Add a Norge-style sports-touring structure and bodywork, but with an aluminum (aluminium for you blokes) frame. Include a proper suspension this time; I'd rather have high-end from other brands than economy from Ohlins. Stretch it out just a touch, since the rest of the world is mostly bigger than you Italians think we are.
Oh, and offer it to me for about $15,000 USD. I'd buy it. I might even buy two.
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If I could special order one last Guzzi,
it would be a 1000S with the V11 motor, FI, spoke wheels and ABS..
(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/57b86d14e3df2876f53e1b62/t/596d87afc534a53e65e5eb2b/1506813215522/1991+Moto+Guzzi+1000S)
or a V11Lemans with a Griso motor, ABS, and spoke wheels.
Me Too
But tubeless spoke alloy wheels.
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Put me down for one as well!
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If I could special order one last Guzzi,
it would be a 1000S with the V11 motor, FI, spoke wheels and ABS..
(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/57b86d14e3df2876f53e1b62/t/596d87afc534a53e65e5eb2b/1506813215522/1991+Moto+Guzzi+1000S)
or a V11Lemans with a Griso motor, ABS, and spoke wheels.
I think it could be argued the Griso is the spiritual successor to the 1000S. They even offered it with wire wheels.
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You should have persevered with it Bob. Mine was the same, but now the front end works fine after I reduced the compression dampening. Actually, I wound it completely out (2.75 turns from full) before I was happy. I consider it better than the 2v 1200 Sport.
My only issue now is a reluctance to "fall" into corners. I'm gonna try a tyre swap before I consider raising the stanchions in the steering head.
Dave, I worked thru the entire gamut of preload, compression, and rebound damping adjustments on my Griso. I never hit the magic point where things were good for me. Some of the roads I've ridden for years without issue on several BMWs, including the long travel suspension R100GS, the 1200 Sport, even a Kaw W650 and Triumph Bonneville (with Progressive 440 shocks and Progressive fork springs) worked out for me. The Griso on these same roads was a bucking bronco, with me weighing 160 pounds. I rode the bike for 3 years and 10,000 miles, and felt it was finally time for it to go. Lovely to look at, however!
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Hello
While it is not a special order I have just bought a 1200 Spot 4V and I am really looking forward to trying it out. The red/white colour scheme looks great to my eye and it is my first motorcycle this side of the Millennium.
Just have to wait for it to arrive from Adelaide.
I remember when 1000S were new on the showroom floor that I though they were not well finished and and a bit 'tacky' when compared to the 750S3
Oh and the 1200 Sport won't be my last Guzzi :grin:
Cheers
Jason
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(http://www.tlm.nl/files/cache/6f2480ff6ef58294c6a3e42e509b527e_f76093.jpg)
http://www.tlm.nl/en/motorcycles/stock/moto-guzzi-mgs-01-corsa/
I'd order this MGS/01 from Teo Lammers have the engine de-tuned for street usage and of course have all the appropriate lights and turn signals installed.
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A sport 1100 with 8 valves, isnt that the Daytona ?
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Dave, I worked thru the entire gamut of preload, compression, and rebound damping adjustments on my Griso. I never hit the magic point where things were good for me. Some of the roads I've ridden for years without issue on several BMWs, including the long travel suspension R100GS, the 1200 Sport, even a Kaw W650 and Triumph Bonneville (with Progressive 440 shocks and Progressive fork springs) worked out for me. The Griso on these same roads was a bucking bronco, with me weighing 160 pounds. I rode the bike for 3 years and 10,000 miles, and felt it was finally time for it to go. Lovely to look at, however!
Improved ride with aggressive spending was required here, methinks. Pete's offsider Michael described my Griso as "plush". Anything can be fixed if you throw money at it. :laugh:
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Please make a V9 Stelvio...thanks!
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Please make a V9 Stelvio...thanks!
Isn't that essentially what the v85 is?