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Title: 1935 TT History Article
Post by: Bullitbob on February 07, 2018, 12:19:56 PM
Hope this isn't a duplicate post but thought it was some pretty good Guzzi history!

http://thevintagent.com/2018/02/06/1935-the-greatest-tt/
Title: Re: 1935 TT History Article
Post by: oldbike54 on February 07, 2018, 12:40:57 PM
 Always a great read , thanks Robert  :thumb:

 Dusty
Title: Re: 1935 TT History Article
Post by: JJ on February 07, 2018, 12:48:13 PM
Hope this isn't a duplicate post but thought it was some pretty good Guzzi history!

http://thevintagent.com/2018/02/06/1935-the-greatest-tt/

A good read...with some classic historical photos!!  :thumb: :cool:


(http://thumb.ibb.co/jTAbtx/Screen_Shot_2018_02_07_at_11_47_15_AM.png) (http://ibb.co/jTAbtx)
 
Title: Re: 1935 TT History Article
Post by: Rick in WNY on February 07, 2018, 01:29:38 PM
Excellent read, thank you for sharing!  :thumb:
Title: Re: 1935 TT History Article
Post by: Sasquatch Jim on February 07, 2018, 03:54:14 PM
  I have always enjoyed hysterical photos and stories of the old racers.
Title: Re: 1935 TT History Article
Post by: guzzi ride on February 07, 2018, 05:42:44 PM
Nice find... thanks for sharing
Title: Re: 1935 TT History Article
Post by: twowings on February 07, 2018, 05:48:24 PM
Those guys were tough! Good read... :thumb:
Title: Re: 1935 TT History Article
Post by: Rough Edge racing on February 07, 2018, 05:58:05 PM
 The photo of the determined rider  leaning into a turn and the plug wrench in his boot is outstanding...
Title: Re: 1935 TT History Article
Post by: LowRyter on February 07, 2018, 06:22:02 PM
The 500cc challenge in 1935 came from Moto Guzzi and their 120-degree in-line-twin sohc-engined bike. We again return to 1933. While successful at 250cc in ‘Lightweight’ racing, Moto Guzzi were no longer competitive in the larger classes. In 1933 Carlo Guzzi (no doubt encouraged by his partner and racing enthusiast Giorgio Parodi) had the inspiration to mate two 250cc engines to create the ‘bicilindri’. The magazine ‘Motorcycling’ in 1935 describes the engine as having an even beat. A cutaway drawing from 1951 (the last year of the ‘bicilindri’) shows, in effect, two 250cc engines each with it own flywheels and crankpins joined through a central main bearing (with the crankpins set 120 degrees apart, hence the even beat).

would that be a Vtwin or an off-set parallel twin or just none of the above hence, bicilindri?
Title: Re: 1935 TT History Article
Post by: Bullitbob on February 08, 2018, 08:24:18 AM
would that be a Vtwin or an off-set parallel twin or just none of the above hence, bicilindri?



I would think it's still a V-Twin.
Title: Re: 1935 TT History Article
Post by: Moto on February 08, 2018, 01:15:03 PM


I would think it's still a V-Twin.

Yes, it's a v-twin. It was Guzzi's most successful racer in the 30's and 40's, I believe. You can find a lot about it in various Guzzi histories, for example, Colombo's book. Look here for a copy for about $30, instead of the $100+ you'll find at Amazon:

https://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=14856144078&tab=1&searchurl=tn%3Dmoto%2Bguzzi%26sortby%3D17%26an%3Dcolombo%2Bmario&cm_sp=snippet-_-srp1-_-seller1 (https://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=14856144078&tab=1&searchurl=tn%3Dmoto%2Bguzzi%26sortby%3D17%26an%3Dcolombo%2Bmario&cm_sp=snippet-_-srp1-_-seller1)

Nice article, thanks for posting it.
Title: Re: 1935 TT History Article
Post by: SED on February 08, 2018, 10:13:32 PM
Great article and photos.

Pictures of the late 40s version.

(http://thumb.ibb.co/jFQkox/IMG_2603.jpg) (http://ibb.co/jFQkox)



(http://thumb.ibb.co/b3SgTx/IMG_2783.jpg) (http://ibb.co/b3SgTx)   (http://thumb.ibb.co/irwmvc/IMG_2784.jpg) (http://ibb.co/irwmvc)    (http://thumb.ibb.co/dCbVMH/IMG_2785.jpg) (http://ibb.co/dCbVMH)
Title: Re: 1935 TT History Article
Post by: Moto on February 09, 2018, 09:53:56 AM
Great article and photos.

Pictures of the late 40s version.

(http://thumb.ibb.co/jFQkox/IMG_2603.jpg) (http://ibb.co/jFQkox)


Great photos, SED. I think you must have taken those at the museum.

The exploded drawing of the motor shows the central bearing location on the crankshaft between the two halves corresponding to two 250cc motors. I bet the diameters of the outboard (roller) bearings are the same as on the 250. The design produced a somewhat wide v-twin compared to most, I think.

Guzzi's idea to combine two world-beating 250cc motors produced a world-beating 500cc. Way to go, Carlo!
Title: Re: 1935 TT History Article
Post by: Bullitbob on February 10, 2018, 11:26:10 AM
Great article and photos.

Pictures of the late 40s version.

(http://thumb.ibb.co/jFQkox/IMG_2603.jpg) (http://ibb.co/jFQkox)



(http://thumb.ibb.co/b3SgTx/IMG_2783.jpg) (http://ibb.co/b3SgTx)   (http://thumb.ibb.co/irwmvc/IMG_2784.jpg) (http://ibb.co/irwmvc)    (http://thumb.ibb.co/dCbVMH/IMG_2785.jpg) (http://ibb.co/dCbVMH)


Thanks for sharing the pics!
Title: Re: 1935 TT History Article
Post by: SED on February 10, 2018, 12:57:55 PM
Glad you like the pictures - it was fun taking them  :grin:  Have pretty much decided that the early 120 v-twin would be the ultimate bike. 

(http://thumb.ibb.co/jhEGY7/IMG_2782crop.jpg) (http://ibb.co/jhEGY7)


Great photos, SED. I think you must have taken those at the museum.

The exploded drawing of the motor shows the central bearing location on the crankshaft between the two halves corresponding to two 250cc motors. I bet the diameters of the outboard (roller) bearings are the same as on the 250. The design produced a somewhat wide v-twin compared to most, I think.

Guzzi's idea to combine two world-beating 250cc motors produced a world-beating 500cc. Way to go, Carlo!

Engine diagram from Columbo's book.  Anyone have some other engine diagrams?
Title: Re: 1935 TT History Article
Post by: SED on February 25, 2018, 11:52:23 PM
This was posted on the FacePlant Guzzi single cylinder group.

(http://thumb.ibb.co/gdheAx/1935TT.jpg) (http://ibb.co/gdheAx)
Title: Re: 1935 TT History Article
Post by: Moto on February 26, 2018, 04:41:43 AM
This was posted on the FacePlant Guzzi single cylinder group.

(http://thumb.ibb.co/gdheAx/1935TT.jpg) (http://ibb.co/gdheAx)


Great find. That is indeed Stanley Woods on the number 30 bicilindri winning the 1935 TT.

Thanks for posting.