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Very entertaining documentary about Clapton on these days.
Lots of music fans here...you might enjoy it! Especially the section with Duane Allman...great complimentary guitar players.
I Shot the Sheriff...but I did not shoot the Deputy...this guy could play.
Along with Robert Cray, he's one of my favorite bluesy guitarists...
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Something from baby Eric Clapton: (1966)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9N8Qi6zLSU
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Something from baby Eric Clapton: (1966)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9N8Qi6zLSU
That's one of my favorites. When I first started playing guitar, I listened to a lot of that really early Clapton. I liked that it was fairly simple and relatively easy to pick up things from.
My wife and I are about halfway through A life in 12 bars, and will probably watch the rest tonight.
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Virtuoso guitar work here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUpc0YNkkJ0
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Ol Slowhand is one of my favorites. He multiplies the variety of his sound by using different guitars: long and short scale, set or bolted neck, acoustic, semi-acoustic, or solid-body, etc. Truly a virtuoso, he is master of them all (but I like when he plays the Strat best...).
(http://image.ibb.co/b1Ji6S/IMG_0338.jpg)
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What a shame the ability to play is being taken away from him... :sad:
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Time marches on. I saw him a few years ago and he tore that venue down. "Sunshine of Your Love" was as punchy and perfect as the first time I heard it. However, none of us are gonna leave this existence alive...
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Very entertaining documentary about Clapton on these days.
Lots of music fans here...you might enjoy it! Especially the section with Duane Allman...great complimentary guitar players.
I Shot the Sheriff...but I did not shoot the Deputy...this guy could play.
Along with Robert Cray, he's one of my favorite bluesy guitarists...
Link?
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On Dish it's been on AXS a few times over the last couple months along with his concert in San Diego from 2013 or so. They also have done a number of other groups and highlight their careers and then do one of their groundbreaking albums. Doors, Yes, Fogerty, Cream and so on. http://www.axs.tv/ (http://www.axs.tv/)
Paul B :boozing:
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Just when he was gettin' the "hang" of it :angry:
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Even back in 1964 with the Yardbirds he was showing signs of greatness. Back then he thought he had a bad singing voice and apparently was reluctant to become a vocalist.
Jon
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"Crossroads" from Wheels of Fire is still the most religious experience I've ever had... :azn:
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John Mayall sure trained up some good side men..... :boozing: :grin:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l86AYxdYoUo
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That 'Tulsa Sound'... :thumb:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_Sound (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_Sound) uh, huh...
When he and Patti (Layla) were hanging out in Tulsa at Leon's Church Studio, my buddy in a recording engineering class I took found a guitar pick behind some stuff inscribed with "This is MY f***ing pick - E.C." :cool:
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That 'Tulsa Sound'... :thumb:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_Sound (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_Sound) uh, huh...
When he and Patti (Layla) were hanging out in Tulsa at Leon's Church Studio, my buddy in a recording engineering class I took found a guitar pick behind some stuff inscribed with "This is MY f***ing pick - E.C." :cool:
JJ Cale said that if Eric never came to Tulsa, he (JJ) would be washing dishes somewhere.... :grin:
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Back in the '80s Eric used to hang out in a trendy SoHo art gallery where I was the gallery manager. It was quiet there on weekdays and he would help himself to our espresso machine and read the sports page. An older lady came in and after looking around reported that there was a strange man in the back room walking back and forth and humming to himself.
"Don't worry ma'am, he's a musician..."
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"Crossroads" from Wheels of Fire is still the most religious experience I've ever had... :azn:
The first album I ever bought with my own money was “Best of Cream” back in 1970. It remains one of the best albums I’ve ever heard.
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On Dish it's been on AXS a few times over the last couple months along with his concert in San Diego from 2013 or so. They also have done a number of other groups and highlight their careers and then do one of their groundbreaking albums. Doors, Yes, Fogerty, Cream and so on. http://www.axs.tv/ (http://www.axs.tv/)
Paul B :boozing:
Ah! Thank you. Don't have a TV. Seems like I miss a lot of video entertainment. oh well.
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Something from baby Eric Clapton: (1966)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9N8Qi6zLSU
Great post...this recording from the Beano album was Clapton at his best...his tone...wow nothing like a PAF armed 59/60 Les Paul through a Marshall...though his talents certainly continued to develop... his tone was never better and his playing never edgier...an updated combination of Freddy and Albert King poured from him... his writing skills and vocals kept getting better for the next 25 years...musical genius with lots of baggage and highs and lows...an amazingly fragile human being that made it past the addictions that should have killed him. Forced from nearly 3 years of his dog shit strewn, heroin and chocolate supported life in his English mansion and brought back by his buddys George ( you know the guy who's wife he stole) and Ravi to play in the Concert for Bangladesh which probably saved his life. Justly 30 years later he puts together IMHO the highest quality concert I have ever witnessed "the Concert for George"
read his auto biography if you haven't...it was pretty mazing
Certainly not GOD...but Clapton is enough.
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"Crossroads" from Wheels of Fire is still the most religious experience I've ever had... :azn:
THIS!!
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"Oh, I have a flame , feel it touch my heart
and down at my core is the hottest part
I can burn without fuel "
Dusty
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Great post...this recording from the Beano album was Clapton at his best...his tone...wow nothing like a PAF armed 59/60 Les Paul through a Marshall...
Netflix had a documentary on Marshall. They were custom building amps in the back of a record shop. Clapton wanted one that would fit in the trunk of his car. They went outside with a tape measure and that became the size of the cabinet. He liked the sound so much he insisted on using it in the studio.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkulcvRkd4I
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One of the most boring blues guitarists of all time. Don't any of you guys dig Black Blues Guys? I fell asleep the time I saw Eric doing his thang. He got blown off the stage by Robby Robertson. And by George Harrison. He is a sad little old blues man but the yobbos of the world love him. I guess that's the way the world goes round.
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Which Black Bluesman do you wanna discuss there Luthier , Gatemouth Brown , D.C. Miner , Otis Rush , Sonny Terry , Brownie McGhee ? Yep , seen 'em all , along with probably 50 others . Hell , shook hands and shared a beer with a few of 'em . Whatcha got to top that ?
Robbie Robertson ? Humph :rolleyes:
Dusty
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What!
You mean Eric Clapton isn't BLACK? I never noticed...
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Got to see Clapton at Jazziest(New Orleans) a few years ago and he didn't exactly give a great performance. In fact he didn't seem that interested in playing; and didn't I read that he is no longer going to go on tour?
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One of the most boring blues guitarists of all time. Don't any of you guys dig Black Blues Guys? I fell asleep the time I saw Eric doing his thang. He got blown off the stage by Robby Robertson. And by George Harrison. He is a sad little old blues man but the yobbos of the world love him. I guess that's the way the world goes round.
yup lets compare Freddy Kings version of Hideaway and the Mayall/Clapton version...I'm all abut tradition and the value of origins...but absolutely no comparison...EC took both Freddy and Albert King's styles to another level...and I would never lump Clapton into a category called "Blues Guitarist" then compare him to Harrison and Robertson ( I love the band but huh?)...Clapton was as much a blues guitarist as Hendrix...not!........rock influenced by blues as everyone since T-Bone Walker.
but you are correct sir...every yobbo...has an opinion
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Which Black Bluesman do you wanna discuss there Luthier , Gatemouth Brown , D.C. Miner , Otis Rush , Sonny Terry , Brownie McGhee ? Yep , seen 'em all , along with probably 50 others . Hell , shook hands and shared a beer with a few of 'em . Whatcha got to top that ?
Robbie Robertson ? Humph :rolleyes:
Dusty
Luthier's opinion was a commentary on his opinion on their relative merits as guitarists Dusty, not how many times they've shaken hands.
I could go to a hundred concerts, but that doesn't mean it elevates the performer to a higher standard.
BTW..
Mark Knopfler has more taste in his little finger than Clappy will ever posess, but they are both fabulous.
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Luthier's opinion was a commentary on his opinion on their relative merits as guitarists Dusty, not how many times they've shaken hands.
I could go to a hundred concerts, but that doesn't mean it elevates the performer to a higher standard.
BTW..
Mark Knopfler has more taste in his little finger than Clappy will ever posess, but they are both fabulous.
Huh ?
Dusty
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Luthier's opinion was a commentary on his opinion on their relative merits as guitarists Dusty, not how many times they've shaken hands.
I could go to a hundred concerts, but that doesn't mean it elevates the performer to a higher standard.
BTW..
Mark Knopfler has more taste in his little finger than Clappy will ever posess, but they are both fabulous.
I dig the quote...similar to what BB King said in a guitar player magazine interview "Peter Green has more talent in his little finger than I have in my entire body" pretty strong praise from a blues guitarist :)
Yes all fabulous...If I had to choose.... Peter Green= my favorite Mayall Bluesbreaker guitarist.
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You've got to love what Clapton, The Stones, etc did for all the US Blues artists, they stole from them, admitted their crimes, and then helped put them back onto their rightful place in the musical legacy of the US. I so enjoy getting lost in the wormhole of Clapton YouTubes, especially the Crossroad festivals where guys like Vince Gill and Sonny Landreth get to show what incredible guitar slingers they really are. He even brings out James Burton, and lets not forget Keith Urban
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Sonny Landreth is an amazing player.
A few years ago, the wife and I went to a place called LuLu's which is owned by Jimmy Buffet's sister, anyway we are waiting for Sonny to come on stage when the announcer said that something happened to Sonny and he couldn't make the show so they had a substitute band. Yeah, Jimmy Buffet came out and we left while everyone was hooping and hollering. Quite frankly, I hate that crap he plays.
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Blackcat, I have seen Sonny at small clubs 3 times in the past 5 years in the SF Bay Area. His show never sell out, but I and other guitarists just marvel in awe at the sounds he gets. Once you get turned onto Sonny it is an addiction. I just saw him with John Hiatt recreation of the Goners, and the albums they did 30 years ago. If you have not had a chance to see Sonny, just GO!
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Mick Taylor .
Dusty
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImrMYnj24JM
This is a killer homage to Eric Clapton. Her demeanor is not super enthusiastic but man can she play this song Crossroads better than anyone except EC himself.
I also really like his guitar playing in the "beer commercial" version of After Midnight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuSGQPj6OAA
Ironically, I was listening to Rock and Roll music Black Friday weekend still wondering why I never learned to play guitar. Well the answer to that was a new Stratocaster and amazing $200 amp that models all manner of rock and roll effects without multiple pedals. I have a long way to go but really enjoy it.
NC
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImrMYnj24JM
This is a killer homage to Eric Clapton. Her demeanor is not super enthusiastic but man can she play this song Crossroads better than anyone except EC himself.
I also really like his guitar playing in the "beer commercial" version of After Midnight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuSGQPj6OAA
Ironically, I was listening to Rock and Roll music Black Friday weekend still wondering why I never learned to play guitar. Well the answer to that was a new Stratocaster and amazing $200 amp that models all manner of rock and roll effects without multiple pedals. I have a long way to go but really enjoy it.
NC
Good for you! Music remains a mystery to me even though my Grandad was leader of a family orchestra. I have tried for probably 55 years to pick it up. The best I can do is hear a song, chord along with it unless they go and throw non standard tuning at me :embarrassed: I really don't think there is any amount of practice that can replace natural talent. Apparently it skipped a generation when it came to me, lol. I have a Fender G-DEC30 amp and it amuses the hell out of me with its many preset effects. Have fun! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IBDV1IVGM8
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One of the most boring blues guitarists of all time. Don't any of you guys dig Black Blues Guys? I fell asleep the time I saw Eric doing his thang. He got blown off the stage by Robby Robertson. And by George Harrison. He is a sad little old blues man but the yobbos of the world love him. I guess that's the way the world goes round.
Yessir! Any comparison of a white guy like Clapton to black guys like Robby R. and G. Harrison is fanciful. Good thing I'm colorblind!
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Well I'm obviously a minority of one when it comes to Slowhand, round here anyway.
Yes I enjoyed the Crossroads series which he organised and which showed him up against some of the best. So at least he has some humility..
Did someone say he can't be categorized as a Bluesman? Wot? Not much point discussing any further then is there?
I just find his riffs boring and repetitive most of the time. I enjoyed Disraeli Gears when he was experimenting with a lot of effects and branching out from straight blues, in heavy competition with Hendrix at the time, but sadly Clapton just reverted to interminable straight blues forever afterwards which gets old for me. Such a pity Hendrix died on so many levels as his innovation really shook things up. And he came from a pretty boring 12 bar tradition as well.
Most of those dick measuring contests with duelling stratocasters leave me cold. But there was the one against Robbie where Robbie excelled and in my opinion wiped the floor with Clapton in terms of interest and technique.
Yeah I'd say Clapton owns the 12 bar but renders it boring to me.
Just my personal opinion. Sorry to disagree with all youse dudes.
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Clapton is one of the best and keeps doing it.
wwwwwwwwhat a career.
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Blackcat, I have seen Sonny at small clubs 3 times in the past 5 years in the SF Bay Area. His show never sell out, but I and other guitarists just marvel in awe at the sounds he gets. Once you get turned onto Sonny it is an addiction. I just saw him with John Hiatt recreation of the Goners, and the albums they did 30 years ago. If you have not had a chance to see Sonny, just GO!
We have seen him perform quite a few times in New Orleans.
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Well I'm obviously a minority of one when it comes to Slowhand, round here anyway.
Yes I enjoyed the Crossroads series which he organised and which showed him up against some of the best. So at least he has some humility..
Did someone say he can't be categorized as a Bluesman? Wot? Not much point discussing any further then is there?
I just find his riffs boring and repetitive most of the time. I enjoyed Disraeli Gears when he was experimenting with a lot of effects and branching out from straight blues, in heavy competition with Hendrix at the time, but sadly Clapton just reverted to interminable straight blues forever afterwards which gets old for me. Such a pity Hendrix died on so many levels as his innovation really shook things up. And he came from a pretty boring 12 bar tradition as well.
Most of those dick measuring contests with duelling stratocasters leave me cold. But there was the one against Robbie where Robbie excelled and in my opinion wiped the floor with Clapton in terms of interest and technique.
Yeah I'd say Clapton owns the 12 bar but renders it boring to me.
Just my personal opinion. Sorry to disagree with all youse dudes.
You get no disagreement out of me. After a few years it all starts sounding the same. I mean -- how much load can a Stratocaster haul over 12 bars, endlessly before it and the genre are beat to death? 12-bar blues is the café racer of music -- so stringent and overdone that we become numb to it. Adding a few additional gratuitous lead riffs that demonstrate nothing more than finger speed is like going from chrome to brass acorn nuts on your license plate frame.
Toss in a brass section and some rhythm and you got something altogether else.
I gained an appreciation of EC when he did his unplugged set. Stripping out the 'lectronics added a fresh dimension to his music for me. "Layla" in particular went from something I'd switch stations over to one of my favorite songs. And really, his "personal" songs like "Wonderful Tonight" and "Tears in Heaven" are the ones that have kept my attention.
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Well I'm obviously a minority of one when it comes to Slowhand, round here anyway.
Yes I enjoyed the Crossroads series which he organised and which showed him up against some of the best. So at least he has some humility..
Did someone say he can't be categorized as a Bluesman? Wot? Not much point discussing any further then is there?
I just find his riffs boring and repetitive most of the time. I enjoyed Disraeli Gears when he was experimenting with a lot of effects and branching out from straight blues, in heavy competition with Hendrix at the time, but sadly Clapton just reverted to interminable straight blues forever afterwards which gets old for me. Such a pity Hendrix died on so many levels as his innovation really shook things up. And he came from a pretty boring 12 bar tradition as well.
Most of those dick measuring contests with duelling stratocasters leave me cold. But there was the one against Robbie where Robbie excelled and in my opinion wiped the floor with Clapton in terms of interest and technique.
Yeah I'd say Clapton owns the 12 bar but renders it boring to me.
Just my personal opinion. Sorry to disagree with all youse dudes.
Hendrix...not a blues guitarist
Clapton...not a blues guitarist
Hendrix came from R&B, Funk, Soul and Rock...The isley Brothers... certainly influenced by blues...but not blues, not even close
Clapton from the Yardbirds, Mayall and Cream...Rock influenced by blues...not blues...an early British blues band= Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac...they stayed true to the genre
All the boring 12 bar blues guys like BB King, Albert King, Freddy King, Albert Collins, Robert Johnson, Big Bill Broonzy, Blind Lemon Jefferson, Charlie Patten, Leadbelly, Lonnie Johnson, Son House, Tampa Red, Muddy Waters, Chester Burnette, Lightning Hopkins, TBone Walker, Mike Bloomfield, Otis Rush were true to their genre and there are many that still follow that path....Ronnie Earl, Jimmy Vaughan, Anson Funderburg, Larry Maccray, Susan Tedeschi, Rory Block on and on.
the whole riff, "diarrhea of the fingers" thing came with the rock scene...everyone has their idea of what blues sounds like....these folks are blues guitar players.
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thanks Giusto
I've just ordered my Tedeschi Trucks Band tickets for the show in Tulsa coming in April.
That should be a nice 64th Bday present. :thumb:
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Then there is the famous bluesman from Ft Smith AR ; Blind Domino Porkchop . Man was and still is a giant .
Dusty
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It's just possible that music topics are even more hotly discussed than oil. I for one really enjoy his unplugged songs.
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For the purists...you know who you are...notice that I said "bluesy" guitarists in the original post...not Blues Guitarist...
At any rate...I do think Robert Cray in my humble opinion is as good as anyone out there, puts on a great show, engages well with the crowd.
Clapton...I love his playing, but he is less engaging at times with the crowds. I remember when I lived in Argentina, he came to play a concert at River Plate Stadium...walked on stage, didn't say a word...not "Hello Buenos Aires"...just nothing. Played an extraordinary concert...got up, didn't say another word, and walked off. The music was amazing as always, the personality (sort of like Bob Dylan, who also barely says hello) not so evident.
Carry on...more blues, bluesy debate.
Now that I think of it...Johnny Lee Hooker...true blues man, but not much variety in his songs...
Byther Smith...heavy duty Chicago Blues...aggressive, in your face, gritty blues...
Our local guy Allan Heynes...plays every last Saturday at The Big Easy in Houston...sounds as good as almost all of the heavyweights...
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Well I'm obviously a minority of one when it comes to Slowhand, round here anyway.
Yes I enjoyed the Crossroads series which he organised and which showed him up against some of the best. So at least he has some humility..
Did someone say he can't be categorized as a Bluesman? Wot? Not much point discussing any further then is there?
I just find his riffs boring and repetitive most of the time. I enjoyed Disraeli Gears when he was experimenting with a lot of effects and branching out from straight blues, in heavy competition with Hendrix at the time, but sadly Clapton just reverted to interminable straight blues forever afterwards which gets old for me. Such a pity Hendrix died on so many levels as his innovation really shook things up. And he came from a pretty boring 12 bar tradition as well.
Most of those dick measuring contests with duelling stratocasters leave me cold. But there was the one against Robbie where Robbie excelled and in my opinion wiped the floor with Clapton in terms of interest and technique.
Yeah I'd say Clapton owns the 12 bar but renders it boring to me.
Just my personal opinion. Sorry to disagree with all youse dudes.
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Perhaps he is no Joe Pass, but EC was one of the originators of the “British Blues Sound” and backed it up with some incredible collaborations with other great musicians. Perhaps his early arrival on the scene has made his music seem passé, but I prefer to think that a lot of rockers and blues players got a leg up from Eric Clapton. He was and remains an innovator...
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I tried to like Clapton, and in fact quite like the Unplugged album where a lot more emotion seems to come out. But I suppose my head was turned by Roy Bookbinder and his playing, and therefore on Rev Gary Davis. That is some sweet stuff.
For myself, I play bluegrass banjo Scruggs style, so naturally my favourite git-fiddle players are Doc, Norman Blake, Clarence White, Tony Rice...
https://youtu.be/qnbOVXfh1sY
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Of course Clapton was an originator back in the day with Mayall and the whole British Blues scene. Yes it had trappings of rock but it was English Blues. Not sure why John Mayall hit the skids, a very sad story here, one of my friends was driving down Victoria Road past the Rydalmere Hotel near Paramatta and noticed the billboard announcing John Mayall that evening, it was about 9pm, so he did a quick left turn and went into the pub.
There on stage was Mayall with a band playing hard to an empty room. My friend got to chat with him and it seemed he was on really hard times. This was mid 1990's. How dreadful for someone so talented.
But anyway I won't say this again, Clapton is a white blues guitarist, and I'd much rather hear most black blues players than him.
Doesn't matter, he has made a legend of himself and done some nice stuff over his very busy career. I'm just not a fan.
But it's great to read how passionate so many of you guys are about your musical loves.
I try to be tolerant of most musical tastes. In fact last Saturday I went to hear a piano man after just buying a piano from him. His playing was impressive but his material almost made me puke. But there was a room full of old codgers, many younger than me, who hung on every note. That's great. I draw the line at duff duff music however and none too fond of modern atonal classical noise either.
Cheers, keep up the passion guys.
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Well I'm obviously a minority of one when it comes to Slowhand, round here anyway.
Yes I enjoyed the Crossroads series which he organised and which showed him up against some of the best. So at least he has some humility..
Did someone say he can't be categorized as a Bluesman? Wot? Not much point discussing any further then is there?
I just find his riffs boring and repetitive most of the time. I enjoyed Disraeli Gears when he was experimenting with a lot of effects and branching out from straight blues, in heavy competition with Hendrix at the time, but sadly Clapton just reverted to interminable straight blues forever afterwards which gets old for me. Such a pity Hendrix died on so many levels as his innovation really shook things up. And he came from a pretty boring 12 bar tradition as well.
Most of those dick measuring contests with duelling stratocasters leave me cold. But there was the one against Robbie where Robbie excelled and in my opinion wiped the floor with Clapton in terms of interest and technique.
Yeah I'd say Clapton owns the 12 bar but renders it boring to me.
Just my personal opinion. Sorry to disagree with all youse dudes.
I only saw one video of Robbie outplaying Clapton. It was "Further on up the Road", from The Band's "Last Waltz" concert. Robbie indeed "outplayed" Eric on that tune. I wrote it off to Robbie having a fresh noseful of snow vs. a heroin strung out Clapton. :wink: No taking away from Robbie's mastery that day. :bow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4lRusFbmIs
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Hmm , being a trained musician but not being a guitar player , how specifically did Robbie outplay Eric on that tune ? Having a hard time discerning any qualitative difference . What am I missing , is there some "secret" only a guitar player can hear ?
As for having an off night , we heard Stevie Ray several times , both in small bars and a larger venue , most of the time he was burning down the house , but one night he was not feeling well , and it showed . He even apologized to the audience , of course even that night he was still amazing .
Dusty
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As I've gotten older, Eric Clapton's sound has become much more tonally special and unique to me. Been a guitar player since 12... 45 years. When I was a teen and trying to play as fast as I could, I loved technique and speed over tone. Now I'm getting close to retirement age and tone, sound and feeling, are what's important to me. I never appreciated EC or George Harrison or Jeff Beck until I was old enough to understand how great they really are. And wow the tones that Jeff can still get just playing one note... more powerful and musical than any of the speed demons I liked as a youth.
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It seems as though there are enough musicians amongst us....and at our age, lol, most certainly the ability to put some thing musical together for a rally saturday night. It would be a blast if at the next MGNOC National rally....??? A small powered stage, PA, drum set, keyboard and a few amps could be set up for those who want to join in. I’m game.
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It seems as though there are enough musicians amongst us....and at our age, lol, most certainly the ability to put some thing musical together for a rally saturday night. It would be a blast if at the next MGNOC National rally....??? A small powered stage, PA, drum set, keyboard and a few amps could be set up for those who want to join in. I�m game.
Frank , the is a giant pavilion and a stage at Cedar Vale , come on , we can figure something out :laugh:
Dusty
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Hmm , being a trained musician but not being a guitar player , how specifically did Robbie outplay Eric on that tune ? Having a hard time discerning any qualitative difference . What am I missing , is there some "secret" only a guitar player can hear ?
As for having an off night , we heard Stevie Ray several times , both in small bars and a larger venue , most of the time he was burning down the house , but one night he was not feeling well , and it showed . He even apologized to the audience , of course even that night he was still amazing .
Dusty
I have no idea if Robbie can play with Eric, I do know that Robbie is one of the great songwriters of all time.
My favorite player when at his best is Jeff Beck. But my goodness, there are so many great ones like Derrick Trucks and John Mayer.
https://youtu.be/s7l1dTSrsjI
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Hmm , being a trained musician but not being a guitar player , how specifically did Robbie outplay Eric on that tune ? Having a hard time discerning any qualitative difference . What am I missing , is there some "secret" only a guitar player can hear ?
As for having an off night , we heard Stevie Ray several times , both in small bars and a larger venue , most of the time he was burning down the house , but one night he was not feeling well , and it showed . He even apologized to the audience , of course even that night he was still amazing .
Dusty
Being an untrained hack, :grin: to me it was clarity of note, smoothness of delivery. I.E. get 4 critics together, you get 6 different opinions....kinda like motorcyclists :laugh:
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I have no idea if Robbie can play with Eric, I do know that Robbie is one of the great songwriters of all time.
My favorite player when at his best is Jeff Beck. But my goodness, there are so many great ones like Derrick Trucks and John Mayer.
https://youtu.be/s7l1dTSrsjI
Earl Cate and Jimmy Thackery come to mind . We had a young fella here , Mike Antle , who was a seriously talented guitar slinger and singer . Unfortunately he left us at a young age before gaining any recognition outside of the area .
Being an untrained hack, :grin: to me it was clarity of note, smoothness of delivery. I.E. get 4 critics together, you get 6 different opinions....kinda like motorcyclists :laugh:
OK , although that is a a matter of taste . Gatemouth Brown wasn't the cleanest picker ever , and yet his style was undeniable . Hendrix (go ahead , flame away) was often so sloppy it sounded more like a rough rehearsal than a polished performance , no one ever complained about that . Until the drugs started messing him up , Terry Kath could hold his own with anyone .
Dusty
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This reminds of that Quincy Jones interview I posted last week.
He really put down the Beatles and said that Jimi was too intimidated to play on one of his records.
Where is the link for that interview?
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Frank , the is a giant pavilion and a stage at Cedar Vale , come on , we can figure something out :laugh:
Dusty
Dusty,
This is sounding like a good idea. When is Cedar Vale? I'll send you a pm....lets see where this goes.
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You've got to love what Clapton, The Stones, etc did for all the US Blues artists, they stole from them, admitted their crimes, and then helped put them back onto their rightful place in the musical legacy of the US. I so enjoy getting lost in the wormhole of Clapton YouTubes, especially the Crossroad festivals where guys like Vince Gill and Sonny Landreth get to show what incredible guitar slingers they really are. He even brings out James Burton, and lets not forget Keith Urban
Well put!
Why bother discussing what's basically a matter of taste? Oh wait, it's still February...... :grin:
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Earl Cate and Jimmy Thackery come to mind . We had a young fella here , Mike Antle , who was a seriously talented guitar slinger and singer . Unfortunately he left us at a young age before gaining any recognition outside of the area .
OK , although that is a a matter of taste . Gatemouth Brown wasn't the cleanest picker ever , and yet his style was undeniable . Hendrix (go ahead , flame away) was often so sloppy it sounded more like a rough rehearsal than a polished performance , no one ever complained about that . Until the drugs started messing him up , Terry Kath could hold his own with anyone .
Dusty
Living favorites still performing...The Mighty Flyers when Alex Schultz and Bill Stuves were on board....Little Charlie (Nightcats), Kid Ramos, Dave Hole, Chris Cain is a monster and Duke Robillard can play all styles within the genre
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Dusty,
This is sounding like a good idea. When is Cedar Vale? I'll send you a pm....lets see where this goes.
I'll just bump the 50 some odd page thread up :laugh:
Dusty
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I'm a big Clapton fan and have seen him play a few times. What I like is that he always has great 'guest' guitarists playing with him eg; Derek Trucks, Albert Lee, Robert Cray, Doyle Bramhall etc. so a kind of 2 (or even 3) for 1 deal... :thumb:
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Don't forget Jimmy Thudpucker
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2f/JimmyThudpuckerGreatestHits.jpg)
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This is Cream, and I can`t trace much of a boring 12 bars recipe blues here. Neither can i imagine anyone "outplaying" any of the three in this heaven-sent constellation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTZ4IYPy_cE
I`m so glad I made it to London in 1967 at the age of 16, and spent a long weekend together with my 3 year older sister at the Royal Windsor Racecourse.
The sound system wasn't the best, but we were there ! http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/1967-windsor-festival.html
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One thing a lot of bands break up over is the concept of "outplaying" or outsinging each other. Playing music is not a race. In fact, you lose points if you finish first.
EC and a lot of the others we're discussing were mainly session and studio musicians. You see EC sitting in on a lot of recordings for groups he never joined, and he's happy to be joined by random others for songs and sets. He's about his craft, not the glam. I remember his performance energy reviewed once as "loitering on stage". I'd argue that you don't need nekkid wimmins strutting around, pyrotechnics, or smashing guitars to make music.
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One of the most boring blues guitarists of all time.
I agree. Never quite understood the fascination. Maybe it's like Pat Boone covering "Tutti Frutti".
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I agree. Never quite understood the fascination. Maybe it's like Pat Boone covering "Tutti Frutti".
Yeah, but EC trying to be less "boring" might look like when Pat Boone went through his "leather boy" phase, sometime after Tutti Frutti. Now that was a romance repellant! :embarassed:
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This is Cream, and I can`t trace much of a boring 12 bars recipe blues here. Neither can i imagine anyone "outplaying" any of the three in this heaven-sent constellation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTZ4IYPy_cE
I`m so glad I made it to London in 1967 at the age of 16, and spent a long weekend together with my 3 year older sister at the Royal Windsor Racecourse.
The sound system wasn't the best, but we were there ! http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/1967-windsor-festival.html
I'm so glad
I'm so glad
I'm glad, I'm glad, I'm glad
Don't know what to do
Don't know what to do
Don't know what to do
Tired of weeping
Tired of moaning
Tired of groaning for you
I'm so glad
I'm so glad
I'm glad, I'm glad, I'm glad
Tired of weeping
Tired of moaning
Tired of groaning for you
I'm so glad
I'm so glad
I'm glad, I'm glad, I'm glad
I'm so glad
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really?
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I'm watching the AXS TV special "Clapton the 70's" review right now. I'm a hippie child of the 60's so I always enjoy the old footage. I saw him live once in about '93 and it was the most boring show I had ever seen in an arena. He might be a great studio musician but just doesn't do it for me either. He basically sponged good riffs and a wife from the real genuises. A two hit wonder? :shocked:
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I'm so glad
I'm so glad
I'm glad, I'm glad, I'm glad
Don't know what to do
Don't know what to do
Don't know what to do
Tired of weeping
Tired of moaning
Tired of groaning for you
I'm so glad
I'm so glad
I'm glad, I'm glad, I'm glad
Tired of weeping
Tired of moaning
Tired of groaning for you
I'm so glad
I'm so glad
I'm glad, I'm glad, I'm glad
I'm so glad
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really?
Yeah, sometimes they feel the need to put voices into the music, but often there's just no good way to do it. When you try writing the words for 12-bar blues, you need to have something on the ball. I wonder about what people see in some of the legendary lyricists. Jim Morrison was one I never "got" with the lyrics of most of his songs -- clumsy, obvious, common. Easy to follow through the haze of inebriation, but banal in every respect. What the Doors had going for them was a formidable keyboardist. If Morrison hadn't been otherwise notorious, you wouldn't know who it is I'm talking about.
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I'm so glad
I'm so glad
I'm glad, I'm glad, I'm glad
Don't know what to do
Don't know what to do
Don't know what to do
Tired of weeping
Tired of moaning
Tired of groaning for you
I'm so glad
I'm so glad
I'm glad, I'm glad, I'm glad
Tired of weeping
Tired of moaning
Tired of groaning for you
I'm so glad
I'm so glad
I'm glad, I'm glad, I'm glad
I'm so glad
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really?
It's a really old blues song , I heard Gatemouth perform it in a much different way with a completely different feel . No idea who wrote it .
Dusty
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Clapton is one of the greatest of all time. "real" guitar players know when NOT to play. It's about the style cats!
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Clapton is one of the greatest of all time. "real" guitar players know when NOT to play. It's about the style cats!
Yep , I'd rather listen to Paul Butterfield play the harp than John Popper .
Dusty
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One thing a lot of bands break up over is the concept of "outplaying" or outsinging each other. Playing music is not a race. In fact, you lose points if you finish first.
EC and a lot of the others we're discussing were mainly session and studio musicians. You see EC sitting in on a lot of recordings for groups he never joined, and he's happy to be joined by random others for songs and sets. He's about his craft, not the glam. I remember his performance energy reviewed once as "loitering on stage". I'd argue that you don't need nekkid wimmins strutting around, pyrotechnics, or smashing guitars to make music.
exactly why EC joined Delaney & Bonnie....to move away from the Glam/star groups...that said none of the folks I have mentioned would be considered studio or session musicians. Most genius comes with baggage...EC had his fair share and some nights may not have known he was even on stage.
"Playing music is not a race. In fact, you lose points if you finish first" or of you play too many notes....economy and tone...driven from the fingers, hands and soul...a la BB King...I miss BB... "the most boring of the 12 bar culprits" He gave us a lesson on grooves...listen to "Spotlight on Lucille"...this was a gift from BB to anyone studying the music.
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It's a really old blues song , I heard Gatemouth perform it in a much different way with a completely different feel . No idea who wrote it .
Dusty
Dusty
Skip James
who wrote spoonful?...that's an easy one...no cheating
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Dusty
Skip James
who wrote spoonful?...that's an easy one...no cheating
Uncle Willie D . There was a giant .
Dusty
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Yep , I'd rather listen to Paul Butterfield play the harp than John Popper .
Dusty
Popper tries waaaaay to hard. He's gonna blow a gasket someday
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Uncle Willie D . There was a giant .
Dusty
absolutely.. figuratively and literally...at 6'6" 250 and Illinois State Boxing champ...just imagine him and Chester Burnett 6'3" in a bar room brawl! but as you say...Willie had as much to do with the advancement of Chicago blues than anyone...it's easy to look back and recreate...but these guys drove the creation...innovato rs.
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It's a really old blues song , I heard Gatemouth perform it in a much different way with a completely different feel . No idea who wrote it .
Dusty
Dusty, I only quoted it because KIDNB he said "I`m so glad I made it to London in 1967 at the age of 16, and spent a long weekend together with my 3 year older sister at the Royal Windsor Racecourse."
When he saw Cream. I believe he had a double meaning there............ :laugh:
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Willie, Wolf, and Muddy. All you need to ever know about the blues right there.
Give EC full props-he understood the underlying feel of the blues. That said, when it became all about the guitar it went away.
Listen to Sumlin play behind Wolf-breathtaking.
I got to back up Jimmy Johnson, Kim Wilson, Thackary, Chuck Jackson, Paul Mark, Jonny Winter, and quite a few others.
Opened for Robert C, Buddy G, DownChild, Thunderbirds, Duke R, Roomful, and lots of others.
The one that stands out the most was playing with Cary Bell, who played with a lot of the first wave of Chicago players and was married to Willy Dixon's daughter. Now THOSE were special nights-BIG TIME.
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I wonder what kind of oil Eric uses??? :grin:
Gian4
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I wonder what kind of oil Eric uses??? :grin:
Gian4
Cotton seed :grin:
Dusty
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Cotton seed :grin:
Dusty
Flax seed...but only in E minor...very hard to find, only sold in specialty stores!
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Willie, Wolf, and Muddy. All you need to ever know about the blues right there.
Give EC full props-he understood the underlying feel of the blues. That said, when it became all about the guitar it went away.
Listen to Sumlin play behind Wolf-breathtaking.
I got to back up Jimmy Johnson, Kim Wilson, Thackary, Chuck Jackson, Paul Mark, Jonny Winter, and quite a few others.
Opened for Robert C, Buddy G, DownChild, Thunderbirds, Duke R, Roomful, and lots of others.
The one that stands out the most was playing with Cary Bell, who played with a lot of the first wave of Chicago players and was married to Willy Dixon's daughter. Now THOSE were special nights-BIG TIME.
Yes Sumlin is my hero.
Wow you've paid yer dues mate. Are there any recordings of you we could access?
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Clapton is one of the greatest of all time. "real" guitar players know when NOT to play. It's about the style cats!
(ahem) most white boys play too much. <shrug>
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Ok...since we've veered off Clapton...here's another one of my favorites:
Byther Smith...Chicago Blues at its best
https://youtu.be/tAPdSLVIcCI?list=PLiK4NgR7dkKMIVBvPSeo25St498uIxm-T
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Yes Sumlin is my hero.
Wow you've paid yer dues mate. Are there any recordings of you we could access?
I had no idea..
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Hoy hoy he’s the boy !
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I wonder what kind of oil Eric uses??? :grin:
Gian4
Lemon oil...On his fret board...doesn’t everyone ?
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It was nothing but drums and guitars for me most of my life.
But bass is my main thing.
But, all things must pass. After 35 years of it I've been spending WAY more time with my family and especially my youngest. I missed enough over the years.
I'm all over the Paul Mark and The Van Doren records-playing, arranging, and part writing. It was fun. I have some great tapes of my tours with Cary Bell. THAT was a blast. I got to back alot of guys as they came thru town. Buffalo was a great stop for a lot of years and most of the best West Coast and New England guys stopped here. Opportunity was there. Sometimes we opened, sometimes we were the backing band-sometimes both!
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From "Uncommon People" by David Hepworth, which I'm presently reading with great enjoyment.
Apparently Hendrix was asked by Eric Clapton to play one number with Cream at a gig in London on 1 October 1966. They played "Killing Floor."
Many times in the future Clapton would be called upon to remember that evening. ........ "Then he (Hendrix) walked off and my life was never the same again."
Recalling the events of October 1, Jack Bruce said: Eric was a guitar player, Jimi was a force of nature."
Ultimately the thing that elevated Jimi Hendrix above Clapton, Beck, Peter Green, and all the other guitar players who came to pay tribute in October 1966 was as much stylistical as musical. It was in the three words that everybody, including Clapton, used to describe him: The real thing.
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A co-worker was going through "spin dry" at Hazelden when Clapton was there for rehab... He ran off one night, got across the lake into Center City, the small village nearby and was found drinking and playing guitar for some surprised locals. I believe he was in there at least a couple of times. Wasn't there a tragic loss of a child that preceded some of his dependency issues? Being in the music business has you in easy access to whatever you want and willing worshipers to assist, too.
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Late 70s Muddy Waters opened for EC. Waters killed it for about an hour and a half. EC came out and looked like a caricature of a Blues guitarist. We left after about 45 minutes. Lot of white boys can play the blues, like the Albino boys from Texas, Jeff Beck and a few others. Blow by Blow isn�t a, �woe is me� Blues album, but you can feel the emotion.
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Love Clapton as well. I came to hear the JJ Cale original version of "After Midnight" some time in the early 2000's and I love his version the best. I can't believe I didn't know about him earlier. I highly recommend his Anthology album!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j81Vx-0uM0k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j81Vx-0uM0k)
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Great Posts
The eternal question ... "Best Guitarist"
Of the new(er) generation John Mayer has been impressive.
Always surrounded himself with excellent musicians.
his work with bassist Pino Palladino and drummer Steve Jordan in the John Mayer Trio stands out.
He started as a "Bubblegum" artist, but have a listen to David "DeLa" LaBruyere's bass lines
https://youtu.be/MnJ-cXfUves
With respect to my eternal favourite . Jeff Beck.
His work in developing new musicians is exceptional.
Tal Wilkenfeld
https://youtu.be/nQDjSGnmYBI
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Oh, yea. That trio album is KILLER! Of course, anything with Pino Pallidino is killer. The man's a genius player.
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Love Clapton as well. I came to hear the JJ Cale original version of "After Midnight" some time in the early 2000's and I love his version the best. I can't believe I didn't know about him earlier. I highly recommend his Anthology album!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j81Vx-0uM0k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j81Vx-0uM0k)
With Leon Russell and more Tulsa people: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaHxPi9dM7o&list=RDofSVdCvlK0Y&index=3
With Eric at Crossroads: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wJDd_uu1JI