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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Huzo on February 21, 2018, 01:09:36 AM
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Surely there has to be more than only GG.
I lived vicariously through her pre-purchase and consequent voyage of discovery and read with interest, of the bubbling excitement with the sheer joy, that a new bike brings.
Sometimes trepidation, sometimes excitement, sometimes pride, and I loved the bit where she said she took the kids to school and pushed them out of the car then home and off on the V7.
It's too damn easy to become engrossed in farkling and arguing about all sorts of trivialities, and forget just how much bloody fun this motor bicycling caper is.
Would be good to hear about the issues in riding purely from a woman's point of view.
Thought a good name for the articles would be the GG spot... (but then I thought...no)
So where's all this leading?
Here !
There has to be more women on Guzzies than the ratio of 1 in (God knows how many).
Who was that sheila who had the little jigger and went arse up once and dropped away ?
Was it HardAspie ?
Maybe they are out there but just don't feel the need to tell everyone...
Now THERE'S a skill I could use..!
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3 of the 4 V7's I have talked to the riders they were women, so there should be a few arount.
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Because forums are generally riddled with misogynists, sexists and perverts. Maybe not this one in particular, but some of the stuff posted on Facebook bike groups is downright cringeworthy.
BTW, I find your reference to a woman as a "sheila" offensive.
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Why?
Urban dictionary has this interpretation...
A great and loving person someone that you can call a sister.The most amazing cook ,generous heart,caring and loving. She is Funny and loves to Dance even if it is to her own music. Life is full of fun and funny stories with lots of laughter when you are with her. She pushes her self out of her comfort zone to accomplish the tasks that's placed before her with a job well done. When you are sad or feeling ill she is the first one to respond to your side.
If your a Sheila set your goals high, Because this is what Sheila's do.
It is Cool to be a Sheila ...Bright, Smart and Beautiful in side and out. Most of all In tune with the Spirit of God!
Sheila: Spiritual,Good Humored,loving and caring.
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My wife rides. Avoids forums like the plague. Says it's a bunch of old guys debating different shades of blue!
Sometimes I think she's correct.
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Still here.
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GG Spot, HA! I suppose I could post more of my disasters but I feel such the idiot and don't want you guys to think all motorcycling ladies are inept.
PS,
I still shove the kids out of the van to go ride. :thumb:
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My girlfriend rides, and even has her own Guzzi now, but she keeps telling me that bulletin boards like this one are only for people above the age of 60.
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My girlfriend rides, and even has her own Guzzi now, but she keeps telling me that bulletin boards like this one are only for people above the age of 60.
Ha! That can't be the case... I'm only 57... and a half... maybe she has a point :rolleyes:
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My girlfriend rides, and even has her own Guzzi now, but she keeps telling me that bulletin boards like this one are only for people above the age of 60.
And how old is this voluptuous Amazonian Guzzisti of whom you speak?
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And how old is this voluptuous Amazonian Guzzisti of whom you speak?
she's 30, to my 35.
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That's funny!
I hope she is lucky enough to get to 60 or beyond.
There is a great deal of collective wisdom that comes with life's experiences, and younger people should maybe try and benefit from that.
We don't bite!
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I do get where she's coming from. There's boards like this for everything under the sun, each a separate little community usually contingent upon continued member funding. She prefers a site like Reddit, where there's a single login and anyone can create a "sub-reddit" or community for anything they wish.
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I get it, sorta like face book..no?
How novel.
To each...
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Nah, FB is total garbage. Reddit really is more like a massive discussion board, that is broken down into categories. There is in fact a Moto Guzzi sub-reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MotoGuzzi/
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We are a subculture in a subculture in a subculture . Despite the MoCo's efforts to bring more women into the culture because they wanna sell more bikes , female riders will always be another subculture inside of the already small group .
That , and quite frankly , why would a woman want to bother with us old geezers ?
Dusty
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she's 30, to my 35.
Hmmmm, I likes me a sweet juicy little 30 year old.
Just kidding, I aint no pedophile, my daughter's 43. But though we are mostly old farts here there is some young blood I believe, but even if there weren't I'd say you young girls would get the respect you deserve and in the meantime you'll benefit from help in keeping your wheels going nicely.
If in need at any time I suggest you contact Peter Roper who is happily married and has a daughter round your age who he adores but most importantly he can solve almost any Guzzi problem known to Man Woman or rubber chicken.
Seriously girls if you are riding a Guzzi this is the place to come to for help and good advice. Don't worry about some of the old toads around the edges, just ask what you need to know and listen to all the help. This is a pretty good place for that, though as you say most here are probably too old to have a really good time with. Maybe Chuck in Indianna still has a bit of spark. I think he's running a Dyna 111.
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My wife loves her Guzzi. But she's not a forum participant, in any way. (any forum)
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There is a great deal of collective wisdom that comes with life's experiences, and younger people should maybe try and benefit from that.
And this advice is free, because none of US ever used it and so it's still in new condition! :smiley:
If I were a girl, I'm not sure I'd enjoy reading this list regularly. We're either unconsciously misogynist sometimes (just from old habit), or we're aware of it and trying too hard NOT to be, to the point of being paternal and over-the-top about it.
I AM glad for the women we have here that can see through all that and not let it bother them, and contribute ideas from a different point of view than ours .... makes us better people.
Lannis
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Reddit really is more like a massive discussion board, that is broken down into categories. There is in fact a Moto Guzzi sub-reddit.
Reddit? reddit is largely a cesspit. That place is toxic, and so full of misinformation and bullshit, it beggars the mind. It brings out the worst in people. There's some value to it, but the effort to value ratio is terrible.
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Yes Ha!, true.
People these days are more and more separated by a keyboard is seems...pity.
I look forward to the few rallys that I can attend. I like talking to the ladies, a different perspective is welcome.
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We had what , 15 ladies at CV last year ? All incredibly lovely and intelligent , wish we had twice that many , their moderating influence on our nonsense is a good thing :laugh:
Dusty
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I think our discussions are too serious and technical.
Try to start more topics about the colour of the bikes, bike grooming product and tips, riding apparels, food, and desserts.
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Reddit? reddit is largely a cesspit. That place is toxic, and so full of misinformation and bullshit, it beggars the mind. It brings out the worst in people. There's some value to it, but the effort to value ratio is terrible.
It all depends on what sub-reddit you're reading. If you're reading a sub-reddit that belongs to a redpill misogynistic group you're going to have a much different experience than reading a sub-reddit that belongs to the group about LGBTQ literature.
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I think our discussions are too serious and technical.
Try to start more topics about the colour of the bikes, bike grooming product and tips, riding apparels, food, and desserts.
Seriously!?!
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I'm sure that's a joke.
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I'm only here to help ruin the demographics. R3~
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As gearhead web forums go, this one is pretty civilized. I'm on a Buell forum and half the content is gun nut talk and conspiracy theories and a Mack forum that's thrown me off more times than I remember for disagreeing with their political agenda. After that, this forum and the other good ones like the airheads list are a breath of fresh air.
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I'm sure that's a joke.
It is my opinion and I think they are valid, I hope you guys don't take it in the wrong way.
I can see where is this heading, I'll stop here :lipsrsealed:
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I AM glad for the women we have here that can see through all that and not let it bother them, and contribute ideas from a different point of view than ours .... makes us better people.
I'm with Lannis. I like having diverse participants on this forum. I've tried other discussion groups and social media, but they didn't work for me. This site is loaded with Guzzi gurus, but also folks with lots of other expert contributions that have enriched my life.
As for being over 60; hey...I'm still 14 on the inside.
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It's hard to strike a balance. I get muzzled plenty at work because of PC work rules. I hate walking on eggshells. Then again, I hate vulgarity and contention for its own sake. Some of the smartest people I've met were on Illuminati, but the place devolved into a hate filled scheissenhole. Having more ladies on here? As long as the content remained about the same, why not? If it caused even more censorship, then meh. Finding moto-lassies who would enjoy the cyber company of we curmudgenly bastages as we are, priceless!
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I think our discussions are too serious and technical.
Try to start more topics about the colour of the bikes, bike grooming product and tips, riding apparels, food, and desserts.
Well, go on then!
Everyone loved that last "festival" food thread ...!
Anyone who doesn't like it can just skip it, doesn't hurt them a bit.
Lannis
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Speaking of the ladies , anyone heard from Pat lately ?
As for holding their own , Beaver can more than do that , of course after 20 years of hanging around the Turnip ... :shocked: :evil:
Dusty
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As gearhead web forums go, this one is pretty civilized. I'm on a Buell forum and half the content is gun nut talk and conspiracy theories and a Mack forum that's thrown me off more times than I remember for disagreeing with their political agenda. After that, this forum and the other good ones like the airheads list are a breath of fresh air.
My Fay has been to a lot of rallies with me. She's under no illusions about men camping out for the week on motorcycles, and if the talk gets too "blue", she just slowly melts into the distance and you don't even notice she's gone for a bit.
It's normally a very FEW guys that get like that. Their attitude is "It's a BIKER rally, if I want to get drunk and talk about *****, and anyone doesn't like it, then **** 'em." But it only takes one or two guys like that to send everyone else off to their tent ....
Lannis
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I think our discussions are too serious and technical.
Try to start more topics about the colour of the bikes, bike grooming product and tips, riding apparels, food, and desserts.
That's exactly the sort of self serving, condescending B.S. that drives them away!
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Where are the girls?
Maybe they're out riding instead of spending their time on Wildguzzi discussing the merits of steel cut oats or having prostates irradiated.
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I started riding Guzzi's when I was 30 and the local Guzzi guys would refer to me as the "kid". Now I'm pushing 60 and get this urge to argue over different shades of blue! :evil: And most of those older guys have [passed now. I miss them.
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I turned 51 on Saturday so I'm a "girl" no longer, but I'm with Sheepdog in feeling MUCH younger than my years. I freely admit to knowing ZERO about motorcycles, other than I enjoy the s#!+ out of riding them, and I'm reasonably sure none of you popped out of the womb with more knowledge than I.
So I'll continue to ask the "stupid" questions, read posts that are technically WAY over my head, and learn. Isn't that why we are all here?
:grin: :bike-037:
PS.
I like steel cut oats, have men in my life with prostate issues and cancer.
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So perhaps Moto Guzzi is in fact the "Fountain of Youth"...all of these Old folks feeling like youngsters 15-20 years below their actual chronological age, sowing their (Steel Cut) Oats all over the place have come to the right place!
WildGuzzi...A collection of Pro Solitude Loners who like to be together (at least from time to time)... The Irony!!
My wife loves to ride, she doesn't find forums interesting...no problem. I'd rather it be that way than vice versa!
:)
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Para-phrasing Firesign Theater. "I think, we're all Bozos on this bus." Dee hasn't posted for awhile except from one comment that she made on a recent thread.
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Hummm, did I just read that someone wanted more talk about food/cooking? Sounds like time for Leafman60 to roll out the steel cut oats thread! Now, that's a crowd pleaser.....for the over 60 crowd.
As an aside, the V7 line should be attracting more than our fair share of female riders. With that said, it would help if the bikes had a bit more curb appeal. I mean, carbon and blacked out wheels might be the current trend but I suspect the Anni model gets much more attention from female shoppers. The same goes for the V7 Stone (or whatever the '18 models are called), interesting colors and some chrome to set things off.
Peter Y.
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Hummm, did I just read that someone wanted more talk about food/cooking? Sounds like time for Leafman60 to roll out the steel cut oats thread! Now, that's a crowd pleaser.....for the over 60 crowd.
Peter Y.
Yebbut ... what does ANYONE do for the really young crowd when it comes to food? In the past, I've been involved with youth groups or groups of my boys' friends or young relatives, and as far as I can tell, the only thing they'd eat is pizza dipped in ranch dressing, or hot dogs dipped in ranch dressing. I never saw such ranch dressing addicts.
Maybe once they were on their own they added Hot Pockets, but there's not much else ... :wink:
Lannis
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As a proud Brooklyn Millennial that's financing Moto Guzzi's current revival, I know a handful of female Guzzi owners (curiously all flat black V7's), most of the female riders I know just drop their bikes off for service at the shop, and the 2 that actually wrench on their own bikes seem to draw knowledge from their IRL peers, for some reason they have no desire to trawl thru forums online.
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GG Spot, HA! I suppose I could post more of my disasters but I feel such the idiot and don't want you guys to think all motorcycling ladies are inept.
PS,
I still shove the kids out of the van to go ride. :thumb:
There are some fairly clueless guys around too.
You never learn anything by getting it right.
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We are a subculture in a subculture in a subculture . Despite the MoCo's efforts to bring more women into the culture because they wanna sell more bikes , female riders will always be another subculture inside of the already small group .
That , and quite frankly , why would a woman want to bother with us old geezers ?
Dusty
Probably wouldn't Dusty.
But the BIKE is another kettle of fish..
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Seriously!?!
Yeah, he has to be "taking the piss" as we say in Oz.
(At least I hope so..)
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Where are the girls?
Maybe they're out riding instead of spending their time on Wildguzzi discussing the merits of steel cut oats or having prostates irradiated.
Maybe.
I'm reasonably active on the forum and I still ride my Norge a little bit..
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There are some fairly clueless guys around too.
You never learn anything by getting it right.
'Xactly! Every mishap is a chance to learn something new. There is no shame in trying and failing but in failing to try. If it's worth doing, it's worth doing well.
My poor kids hear similar - daily. :evil:
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Yeah, he has to be "taking the piss" as we say in Oz.
(At least I hope so..)
Not to be contrary, but I thought Phang's idea was a serious one ... We talk about EVERYTHING here anyway, and not all of them are chest-thumping he-man hunting/fishing/smoking/cigar-and-whiskey subjects.
Although I'm sort of glad that (now having granddaughters and being very familiar with many new subjects) I didn't start the thread I was thinking of starting on "Who Are Your Favorite Disney Princesses?"
Lannis ("Tiana" and "Jasmine" are mine ...)
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Why do I feel like I am sitting at the lunch table in "The Big Bang Theory"? :grin:
GliderJohn
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Not to be contrary, but I thought Phang's idea was a serious one ...
Well.
I'm no Dr Phil, but I think the implication was that serious and technically oriented topics would be above the intellectual level of a female.
But talk about pretty colours or " nice" shapes and the little ladies would be all over it like a cheap suit.
Sometimes it's more insulting when you try to be nice..
BTW.
Somebody's glad it started, 50 posts in 12 hours...
But honestly, if a decent percentage of male riders introduced their wives/girlfriends (or in an extreme case both) to Guzzidom, there'd be more bums on seats.
Could we get a response from the ladies (or men), in the lives of our respondents as to what would need to happen for them to be introduced to biking with their partner.... (on their own bike ?)
GG did it !
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Why do I feel like I am sitting at the lunch table in "The Big Bang Theory"? :grin:
GliderJohn
Didn't know you did John..
But please, do tell.
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Well.
I'm no Dr Phil, but I think the implication was that serious and technically oriented topics would be above the intellectual level of a female.
But talk about pretty colours or " nice" shapes and the little ladies would be all over it like a cheap suit.
Sometimes it's more insulting when you try to be nice..
NOW I see what you're saying. I didn't look at it that way ... I thought it was just about variety.
Lannis
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NOW I see what you're saying. I didn't look at it that way ... I thought it was just about variety.
Lannis
Look, I could be wrong Lannis
(never happened before)
But I could be...
Phang'll clear up the doubt.
But irregardless, I don't want to contaminate the thread with a manufactured slanging match, (this time)
I just reckon that women are under represented on the forum ratio wise, when you consider the ratio of male v female bikers in the open community.
If they don't want to post, there's gotta be a reason and I'd like to hear from a few.
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Well.
I'm no Dr Phil, but I think the implication was that serious and technically oriented topics would be above the intellectual level of a female.
But talk about pretty colours or " nice" shapes and the little ladies would be all over it like a cheap suit.
Sometimes it's more insulting when you try to be nice..
BTW.
Somebody's glad it started, 50 posts in 12 hours...
But honestly, if a decent percentage of male riders introduced their wives/girlfriends (or in an extreme case both) to Guzzidom, there'd be more bums on seats.
Could we get a response from the ladies (or men), in the lives of our respondents as to what would need to happen for them to be introduced to biking with their partner.... (on their own bike ?)
GG did it !
I think what Phang was really saying is that we get bogged down in silly discussions about anti-lock brakes , what kind of oil to use , and other types of nonsense that most women just roll their eyes at .
Now let's parse out that second thing . Why should we need to "introduce" the ladies to something, most of the ladies I have known that ride made that decision on their own .
Dusty
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I think what Phang was really saying is that we get bogged down in silly discussions about anti-lock brakes , what kind of oil to use , and other types of nonsense that most women just roll their eyes at .
Now let's parse out that second thing . Why should we need to "introduce" the ladies to something, most of the ladies I have known that ride made that decision on their own .
Dusty
If you say so Dusty, that's all I need to hear.
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...I think the implication was that serious and technically oriented topics would be above the intellectual level of a female.
But talk about pretty colours or "nice" shapes and the little ladies would be all over it like a cheap suit.
That is how I read it, hence my response. I would love to be wrong though.
I enjoy getting my hands dirty taking things apart and seeing how they work. I call myself a "process girl" because the process of designing and working the kinks out to get a working product is what I enjoy the most. :thumb:
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Right. My bride cares nothing about the tech stuff. It's up to me to make sure the bikes are all up to snuff.
And , I thought the V7 would have been a bike she enjoyed but she disliked it quite a bit. After her Street 3 and Bonneville the V7 left her cold. I didn't see THAT coming.
That led to the BMW G310R we just got for her. As long as she's happy I'm good with it.
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That is how I read it, hence my response. I would love to be wrong though.
I enjoy getting my hands dirty taking things apart and seeing how they work. I call myself a "process girl" because the process of designing and working the kinks out to get a working product is what I enjoy the most. :thumb:
And don't they look beautiful in the soft light after a couple of drinks.
Do you do any small/ medium trips, or family routine makes it a bit tricky for now ?
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And don't they look beautiful in the soft light after a couple of drinks.
Do you do any small/ medium trips, or family routine makes it a bit tricky for now ?
Oh man, one minute Wild Guzzi, next minute Penthouse Forum ... .! :grin:
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I'm not so sure about that, I am somewhat surprised there are not long running threads about hemorrhoids or Depend� over anything technical. :laugh:
What, the steel-cut oats, CPAP threads, and prostate trouble posts aren't good enough? :laugh: :laugh:
Lannis
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Oh man, one minute Wild Guzzi, next minute Penthouse Forum ... .! :grin:
As long as they're careful where they put the staple.
Never trust a copy if the staple is rusty!!!!?
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:1: Ha, you all make me laugh!
@ Huzo
Our longest ride was a 100 miles (161 km) or so round trip and Anni hasn't hit 1000 quite yet. We usually ride to the movies once a week-ish and abandon the kids for a few hours on a Sat. or Sun. (not both) for a breakfast ride on either the scooters, bikes or both. We'll leave the eldest in charge for 4 or 5 hours at the most which works out fine because they get along well, and are a rather mellow group (so far). :thumb:
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:1: Ha, you all make me laugh!
@ Huzo
Our longest ride was a 100 miles (161 km) or so round trip and Anni hasn't hit 1000 quite yet. We usually ride to the movies once a week-ish and abandon the kids for a few hours on a Sat. or Sun. (not both) for a breakfast ride on either the scooters, bikes or both. We'll leave the eldest in charge for 4 or 5 hours at the most which works out fine because they get along well, and are a rather mellow group (so far). :thumb:
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Sounds just right.
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Essentially no body under 35 is paying any attention to anything being written on this board.
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The boss ran a survey a couple of years back , seem to remember we had 3 or 4 members under 40, maybe 7 or 8 40-50 , the rest were over 50 .
Dusty
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I can't speak for Chad, but I suspect that most forum users grew up in the early days of t'internet when bulletin boards were common. Remember CompuServe and AOL? You would dial up, download/upload bulletin Board content, then disconnect and read the BB material offline, replying as you saw fit and then log on again to upload your pearls of wisdom.
Forums replaced Bulletin Boards as 100% always-on connections because common and replaced dial up modems. My guess is that most people who don't know what a modem was won't be that familiar with forums...they will be more familiar with Facebook, LinkedIn, Reddit, blogs etc.
Kids today.
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How many were females?
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How many were females?
That question wasn't part of the survey .
Dusty
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BTW, I find your reference to a woman as a "sheila" offensive.
Seriously? LOL!
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Good little conversation starter. :thumb:
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Seems to me most women like to talk to other women, just like most men like to talk to other men. Has something to do with feeling more in tune with your own sex. Nothing weird about it. If both sexes have something in common they talk about it together.
I've talked to women riders @ rallies and my wife Judy has talked to men riders at rallies when we used to ride 2up.
I was 1 of the lucky few who's wife liked to ride with me long distances. Most guys wives won't do that for whatever reason. We rode cross country more than once together and she did that with her ex before she & I ever met. :shocked:
We don't ride 2up any more but did for decades. But I do the bike maintenance and she enjoys the atmosphere while I watch the road.
At the last Guzzi National in Oregon I talked to a woman rider from Canada about her 750 Breva because I have a 750 Breva. In fact that model was considered a woman's bike by some when it came out. I didn't see it that way but some men riders did (macho thing).
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I knew I struck a nerve, unintentionally,
When Guzzi, or other bike manufacturers wanted to attract a wider range of new riders, they made smaller, lighter, colourful bikes with many ornamental accessories.
My point being, the topics of wildguzzi will attract certain group of people. The discussion topics of this group is unlikely to bring in a different groups. It is a vicious cycle unless intervened intentionally by introducing something different.
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I knew I struck a nerve, unintentionally,
When Guzzi, or other bike manufacturers wanted to attract a wider range of new riders, they made smaller, lighter, colourful bikes with many ornamental accessories.
My point being, the topics of wildguzzi will attract certain group of people. The discussion topics of this group is unlikely to bring in a different groups. It is a vicious cycle unless intervened intentionally by introducing something different.
Oh..
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(http://thumb.ibb.co/jXds8H/Sophct90.jpg) (http://ibb.co/jXds8H)
This is my daughter on her first motorcycle. She's one of three women I've taught to ride in the last few years. Each of the three was attracted to motorcycles for different reasons. In my daughter's case, she's been exposed to to bikes through our family her entire life. One of my favorite pictures of her is sitting on a bike in front of her grandfather when she was three and they both have huge smiles on their faces as she twisted the throttle on an old Yamaha in the yard.
Emma is a 30 year old Millennial. She wears patchouli and keffiyeh's. She went for a few rides with me and was hooked. She took the VT DMV safety course and obtained her license last summer. She will sit on a milk crate in my garage and clean carburetors, get filthy changing tires or just stare at her bike without saying a word for hours. No one in her family or circle of friends has an ounce of mechanical ability and two years ago she couldn't tell a phillips head from a flat screwdriver.
Stephanie is a 42 year old single mom with two young kids. Learning to ride was a bucket list item. She did it because it helped her gain a sense of independence and accomplishment after a rough divorce. She took the VT DMV safety course three years ago, got her license and bought a bike.
Each of them began riding for different reasons. They all began on sub 250cc bikes. All three think the V7 is beautiful and would love to own one. None of them would ever become a forum member here because their personal interests in motorcycling aren't aligned with the majority of the subject matter on the forum. I realize my forum name appears to be relatively new but I was a long time member here under a slightly different name so I've been in hundreds of discussions here over the years. The majority of us have been riding for decades and the majority of conversations here are either off topic, nerd level discussions about whether the side covers on a 73' Eldo for sale are correct or bitching about Luigi having one too many glasses of grappa when they built our bike on a Friday. It's great fun for us but relatively impenetrable for the typical new rider. I don't think that's a gender thing.
(http://thumb.ibb.co/bQN28H/Emma.jpg) (http://ibb.co/bQN28H)
(http://thumb.ibb.co/cGNDFx/Stephanie.jpg) (http://ibb.co/cGNDFx)
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Oh...and another point; bikes are luxury items. Our choice to ride and the bike we ride are usually personal projections of how we see ourselves. We tend to surround ourselves with people who see themselves in a similar way as us. Harley riders ride with Harley riders and talk Harleys.. Sportbike riders ride with sportbike riders and talk about sportbikes. Guzzi riders ride with guzzi riders and talk Guzzis. We're middle aged(or way, way past it) guys with a love for an idiosyncratic brand and we snap our red suspenders, smoke from corn cob pipes and discuss beard grooming techniques(and steel cut oats). Not a lot of women see themselves that way.
The best thing Guzzi has going for it right now are the print ads for the V7 showing sub 30 year old women in fashionable, protective gear enjoying their bikes. A lot of women can identify with those ads. Who doesn't want to be young, beautiful and fashionable while enjoying motorcycling? Again, it's not a gender thing. Harley riders see tough, good looking guys in Harley ads and while they might not admit it, that image appeals to them in exactly the same way the Guzzi ads do women.
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And this advice is free, because none of US ever used it and so it's still in new condition! :smiley:
If I were a girl, I'm not sure I'd enjoy reading this list regularly. We're either unconsciously misogynist sometimes (just from old habit), or we're aware of it and trying too hard NOT to be, to the point of being paternal and over-the-top about it.
I AM glad for the women we have here that can see through all that and not let it bother them, and contribute ideas from a different point of view than ours .... makes us better people.
Lannis
I agree with Lannis' mansplaining.
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I knew I struck a nerve, unintentionally,
When Guzzi, or other bike manufacturers wanted to attract a wider range of new riders, they made smaller, lighter, colourful bikes with many ornamental accessories.
My point being, the topics of wildguzzi will attract certain group of people. The discussion topics of this group is unlikely to bring in a different groups. It is a vicious cycle unless intervened intentionally by introducing something different.
I hear you Phang, To me you made a valid point and it was obvious there was no ill intent.
Cheers,
m
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That's exactly the sort of self serving, condescending B.S. that drives them away!
But, Huzo, I’m a keen follower of your tips on bike grooming products. Thanks to you, my V7 is the best turned out bike in Leeds.
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I agree with Lannis' mansplaining.
I've got a Y-chromosome. What other kind of 'splaining could I possibly do?
Lannis
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Because forums are generally riddled with misogynists, sexists and perverts. Maybe not this one in particular, but some of the stuff posted on Facebook bike groups is downright cringeworthy.
BTW, I find your reference to a woman as a "sheila" offensive.
Spoken like a true ...progressive 🧐
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They're on the womanridersnow website enjoying,sharing and learning!
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They're on the womanridersnow website enjoying,sharing and learning!
I'm'a sneak over there and listen at the clubhouse window and see what they're talking about ... ! Shhh ....
Well, I'm back ... they have a list of "Stupidest Things People Have Said about Motorcycles To You" which looks a lot like our one, except that assistant editor "Tricia" has a "wife" so I snuck back out ....
Lannis
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But, Huzo, I�m a keen follower of your tips on bike grooming products. Thanks to you, my V7 is the best turned out bike in Leeds.
I think I understand...
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New Zealand won their first medals for 26 years at the Winter Olympics . Two sixteen year old girl and guy - awesome :-)
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New Zealand won their first medals for 26 years at the Winter Olympics . Two sixteen year old girl and guy - awesome :-)
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See our Olympic thread Kev . Congratulations :bow:
Dusty
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There's a channel on satellite TV that shows the best of every USA state by air + historical locations separate for an hour and other countries. Recently we watched what New Zealand is all about. We were impressed. It seemed visually like a miniature version of most of USA with only a few million citizens. Like a time warp for us. :bow:
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Just thought that instead of contimating someone else's thread with "women riders stuff", kicking this old chestnut in the guts might draw some comment from newer members that have since joined.
Do the newer ones have any clues why women stay away from this place in droves.
Some may feel that every guy is trying to crack onto them and some will feel ignored, but it'll take a woman to give the real reason..
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My wife rides. Avoids forums like the plague. Says it's a bunch of old guys debating different shades of blue!
Sometimes I think she's correct.
If we only had a "like" button :laugh:
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Very interesting topic
I'm one who will talk (blog) with anyone, I don't judge people by their gender, sexuality, nationality, race, religion, politics and prejudices/passions (eg Gun ownership). I am also largely indifferent as to other's opinion of my gender, sexuality, nationality, race, religion, politics and prejudices/passions (eg Gun ownership).!!
Like many, I hold strong positions on a lot of the above topics, I just don't bring them to this site.
Conversations and friendships ebb and floe depending on the direction that they end up heading, that's also ok with me.
I thoroughly enjoy ALL of the conversations and topics on this site. I do admit to ignoring and abandoning a lot of them due to the subject matter being of no interest to me.
What is more important is that the moderation of this site is (IMHO) just about right. Conversations start and meander onward and are only shut down if they get offensive. I would assume that the moderators probably shut down a lot of conversation that I don't ever get to see.
I rarely see any evidence of behavior on this site which is overtly offensive to any particular member of society. What I do see is a lot of eye-glazing inanity on subjects that have a limited appeal to anyone but a small set of participants.
All in all this site is a very welcoming and valued resource for all people interested in Moto Guzzis and wanting to participate in an on-line community dedicated to the brand.
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That is the way WG is designed Paul, anyone who owns, has owned, or is considering owning a Guzzi can find a home here.
Dusty
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That is the way WG is designed Paul, anyone who owns, has owned, or is considering owning a Guzzi can find a home here.
Dusty
And I for one thank you (and everyone else) for keeping it that way.
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And I for one thank you (and everyone else) for keeping it that way.
You are welcome Paul.
Dusty
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See post
"I just wanna share my friend's online motorcycle project. Check it out."
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They're right here!
Kenny Chesney - All the Pretty Girls
http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?action=post;topic=94678.90;last_msg=1554334
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when should you drop comprehensive and collision auto insurance (https://carinsuranceguru.org/when-to-drop-collision-insurance)
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My wife rides also. She's been on her V65SP since 1991. She has several of them. She loves Guzzis but just is not a forum type.
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My wife rides also. She's been on her V65SP since 1991. She has several of them. She loves Guzzis but just is not a forum type.
My wife rides as much as I do, and has just as many life interests as I do.
I'm on probably 5 forums as a regular on various subjects. She's on zero. So she's not a forum type either. Maybe it's a trend.
Lannis
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Or better time management skills. :grin:
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… or less inclined to snap suspenders and argue about pointless crap?
Or more inclined to go riding instead of talking about riding?
The possibilities are endless!
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… or less inclined to snap suspenders and argue about pointless crap?
Or more inclined to go riding instead of talking about riding?
The possibilities are endless!
Hope it's all three..
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My wife and cat both ride.
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(https://thumb.ibb.co/eszYgV/20180306-194820.jpg) (https://ibb.co/eszYgV)
My wife and cat both ride.
That's very nice to hear mate..
But.
Every time I read that "my wife or my girlfriend (or perhaps both..!) ride", it reinforces my point that a given percentage of riders are female, but that percentage is vastly less on the forum.
The women don't like this place and I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to find out why.
We can all take wild guesses, but interestingly, there's been no female feedback from non or inactive female members, as to why on this thread..
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this is gonna be a huge generalization but...
male motorcyclists tend to immerse themselves. mags, forums, dealerships, wrenchin', etc.
female riders tend to just ride. and they don't get a new bike every 3, 4, 5, 6 years, just cuz.
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Nah... my wife immerses herself (as do her friends)... but she does so in the riding, and the friends, and face-to-face community. She goes to events, and rallies (see my other post), she goes to beer nights, and volunteers for poker runs and fundraisers.
The notion that riding is still very much a male-dominated community... is alive and well in forums. Look around. It's a bunch of dudes, arguing, debating, puffing up chests, patting each other on the back, and generally... dudes being dudes. I think it's easy to forget that not everybody is into that particular social setting.
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All the gals are on the Wildguzzi Instagram page... :wink:
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All the gals are on the Wildguzzi Instagram page... :wink:
Well, a picture IS worth a thousand words, right? I say that both with total seriousness, and tongue in cheek. I could sit and type out all the things I did this weekend, and all the bikes I saw, and upload every image one at a time, and describe the games and fun that were had at "this weekend's event", or I can make an insta post, with all my pics, and a quick descriptor, that reaches exactly the people I want to reach.
Times, they are a changin'. We're mostly old farts here, and mostly because Guzzi resources are few and far between (as are Guzzi owners)
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The notion that riding is still very much a male-dominated community... is alive and well in forums.
Not to put too fine a point on it, but it's alive and well on the road too.
Half or more of the country is female. A small fraction of that is represented on pillions on any given day anywhere, and a TINY fraction of that is represented on the pilot's seat.
We here all ride bikes, or have ridden bikes. If every girl that rode a bike was represented on the forum, they'd still be REAL thin on the ground .....
Lannis
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Girls are smarter than men so they don't have time for the loads of drivel here.
Tex
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Girls are smarter than men so they don't have time for the loads of drivel here.
Tex
This right here :bow: Our Texas philosopher has it right .
Dusty
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This right here :bow: Our Texas philosopher has it right .
Dusty
Is that why they say "All My Ex's Live In Texas" ?
(https://thumb.ibb.co/ic1zOA/quote-all-my-ex-s-live-in-texas-and-texas-is-the-place-i-d-dearly-love-to-be-but-all-my-ex-george-strait-141-73-40.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ic1zOA)
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A whole THREAD full of people identifying themselves as men who have time for this sort of drivel, listed in large print .... !
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There are not any girls here because girls are to young to be riding road bikes. :grin:
BTW just a few weeks ago "Ana Carrasco becomes first female rider to win motorbike world title." :bow:
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/sep/30/ana-carrasco-world-championship-winner-female-motorbike-rider
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I am embarrassed by this whole thread.
For you ladies - go where you want, ride what you want, say what you want, do what you want.
Accept the consequences of your decisions.
I burnt my bra a long time ago.
G
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I am embarrassed by this whole thread.
For you ladies - go where you want, ride what you want, say what you want, do what you want.
Accept the consequences of your decisions.
I burnt my bra a long time ago.
G
Have a look at what the thread is about..
It's not that women can't do what they want to, that is a given. The point is WHY don't they want to be a part of this.
If we are being bullies or something similar, I would like to know.
That's all..
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I am embarrassed by this whole thread.
For you ladies - go where you want, ride what you want, say what you want, do what you want.
G
There's not a thing in the world preventing the ladies from doing exactly that, regardless if we're sitting here talking about the subject or not. The ones who are reading it are already well used to WildGuzzi talk and understand what's going on. The ones who aren't reading it ... well, they aren't.
Nothing to be embarrassed about .... ?
Lannis
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There's not a thing in the world preventing the ladies from doing exactly that, regardless if we're sitting here talking about the subject or not. The ones who are reading it are already well used to WildGuzzi talk and understand what's going on. The ones who aren't reading it ... well, they aren't.
Nothing to be embarrassed about .... ?
Lannis
Touche' Sir... :thumb:
If we happily go along and not give a second thought as to why the potential of female opinion and knowlege has not appeared on this forum to an acceptable degree, then we as a whole are essentially excluding these ladies by ignoring them.
No bloody wonder they don't want a bar of us..!
Still not ONE post from a female to help answer the question..(Maybe that IS the answer to the question)
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Still not ONE post from a female to help answer the question..(Maybe that IS the answer to the question)
If you mean this week, that's right.
If you mean in the thread, you need to have a look back. Two female readers, multiple excellent posts .....
Lannis
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If you mean this week, that's right.
If you mean in the thread, you need to have a look back. Two female readers, multiple excellent posts .....
Lannis
Whoops..!
Sorry Lannis, I'll read them on your recommendation.
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Whoops..!
Sorry Lannis, I'll read them on your recommendation.
No problem. It's 0400 and I'm awake and up-and-about with ... an old man problem .... There's a thread for even that, I understand .... !
Lannis (one more reason for women to RUN AWAY ....)
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My wife has been a stalwart passenger for twenty years. She should be able to find something of interest in these pages, but she has no desire to sift thru all the technical stuff.
Somewhat related, I made a comment to a stranger on the street last week that women don't understand how a car works, 'and that's ok', and was yelled at and called a sexist.
A real #MeToo moment.
Bill Lovelady IS
Eskimo Spy
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The Modern Vespa forum has more lady regulars than WG, which might have something to do with more women being scooter riders vs. motorcycle riders. Some, like me, ride both but we aren't common, and fewer still wrench. Most of the ladies I ride scooters with could care less about forums, and I have yet to ride with a woman motorcyclist. I also co-host a fledgeling scooter club with a few lady friends of mine, the Sonoran Sunriders (http://www.meetup.com/Sonoran-Sunriders-Scooter-Club/) , and 20 out of our 28 members are men. We even have one WG member among our ranks!
BTW, I would love to get an old shifty, break it down, and rebuild the thing, but I wouldn't have a clue where to begin. I've dropped hints galore to the wrench-worthy with no takers. I believe this has more to do with the time it takes to teach someone from scratch rather than not wanting to show a woman how to do it. I get it, it's time-consuming to be a newbs fountain of knowledge.
P.S.
If you're in town and want to crash one of our Meetups, we won't complain about what your ridding. :thumb:
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Wear your pencil skirt w/your wedges, that'll get them in. :evil:
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To wrench? Not gonna happen. To ride? Maybe if I were a one-foot down gal (I'm a twofer), and I didn't mind road rash scars.
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Okay. I retract the statement. :grin: So, for in the the learning department....routi ne maintenance would be the first thing to learn for you machines. Are you up to par on that?
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I can change the oil/tires/fuses/roter/gas filter/blue coil on '68 & '69 VW Bugs! :grin: Other than that, nope.
I'm pretty sure I could change the oil on our collection of motos without much trouble. I can do a coolant flush/burp on a Vespa as it's straight-forward but beyond that, I wouldn't dare for fear of irreparably messing something up. :shocked:
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The bikes aren't more complicated than a VW bug. Just consider them 1/2 a bug. :grin:
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So I've been told.
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Some of the smartest people I've met were on Illuminati, but the place devolved into a hate filled scheissenhole.
I aint none of them there smart peoples but some of us have a bit of a hideyhole on the webs. I'll send yinz a link. It's mellowed quite a bit.
fish
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So I've been told.
Gotta get your confidence up. 1). Read more and visualization, helps. 2). Before any task, see step 1 and review.
3). There are a ton YouTube vids to help before working on something. 4). Maybe take a class at Rio Salado CC. 5). Drop in here w/questions.
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Here's Courtney, from match.com
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Gotta get your confidence up. 1). Read more and visualization, helps. 2). Before any task, see step 1 and review.
3). There are a ton YouTube vids to help before working on something. 4). Maybe take a class at Rio Salado CC. 5). Drop in here w/questions.
Maybe I should just go whole-hog and enroll in MMI!
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Maybe I should just go whole-hog and enroll in MMI!
Whole hog? Would that be a Fatboy? :laugh:
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Maybe I should just go whole-hog and enroll in MMI!
Day student would be less. You could ala carte the courses and take what you need for Euro bikes. Hey open a shop for women riders. Big investment for tools. Doable. Very few women go through the classes as FT students even less students riding to school on their own bikes. Less on Euro/Italian motorcycles.
Knowledge wise, what level are you trying to achieve? Hobbyist/rider...amateur/semi-pro...professional?
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Here's Courtney, from match.com
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She likes nice guys
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So, I asked this question to my wife, who rides. She says forums are for guys as 99.99% of the posts have zero interest to woman.
It's almost the same for our BMW club, which is very active-for the men. One or two of the gals attends the monthly meeting every now and again-but they do come to rides and other club events.
I don't think this adds anything useful at all to the conversation-but I did at least ask!
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So, I asked this question to my wife, who rides. She says forums are for guys as 99.99% of the posts have zero interest to woman.
Thanks for asking! But we sort of kind already know that the posts here have interest for very few women.
The question is "Why"? Links to "Cycle Garden"'s "girls" site is one obvious answer, but very many of the posts are about rides, and photos of nice rides, and advice on how to pack for a trip, or info on a new 375-pound bike that might be fun, or info on riding gear, or suggestions for scenic roads, or info on a dealer opening or closing .... there's no reason that I can think of that such posts would be interesting to a man but not to a woman who rides ... ?
I asked Fay, but she doesn't use cyberworld as a communication means at all ....
Lannis
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Here's Courtney, from match.com
(https://thumb.ibb.co/kjoJQq/Dc2iy7-QX0-AEz-0-I.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kjoJQq)
Yes, of COURSE it is ....
And here's me ... uh, I mean "Studmuffin" from match.com.
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Likes Guzzis, old Brits, and long moonlight walks on the beach .....
Lannis
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So, I asked this question to my wife, who rides. She says forums are for guys as 99.99% of the posts have zero interest to woman.
It's almost the same for our BMW club, which is very active-for the men. One or two of the gals attends the monthly meeting every now and again-but they do come to rides and other club events.
I don't think this adds anything useful at all to the conversation-but I did at least ask!
Yes it bloody well does add something KoF..
At least the words came from a woman, not from a bunch of old blokes who reckon they know what a woman thinks...
You had the decency to ask at least.
I was hoping that there'd be lots of comments both positive and otherwise from lady members or guests.
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She likes nice guys
Yep..
As that great philosopher Joe Cocker once said..
"You can leave your hat on...!"
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Perhaps SHE can answer your question:
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Although she does appear to be in a slightly odd mood .....
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Perhaps SHE can answer your question:
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Although she does appear to be in a slightly odd mood .....
There are more than enough moaners here to suffice..!
I think I met her once, is her name Lisa ? :rolleyes:
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I believe that the majority of female riders choose to have a Harley-Davidson: so I wouldn't expect to see them participating on a Guzzi site. There are exceptions, but most are riding HD's.
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I believe that the majority of female riders choose to have a Harley-Davidson: so I wouldn't expect to see them participating on a Guzzi site. There are exceptions, but most are riding HD's.
In my experience, I respectfully disagree with that assessment.
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In my experience, I respectfully disagree with that assessment.
Although I'm sure there's no objective data one way or the other, riding down the highway on a sunny Sunday might bear out the original proposition.
Very many times, you will see a guy on a standard batwing Harley followed by a girl (at my age, every female is a "girl". I'm willing to be a boy) either on a Sportster or a Harley trike.
On the other hand, unless there's a ponytail blowing in the wind, you can't always tell, underneath the jacket. And sometimes not then ....
Lannis
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Although I'm sure there's no objective data one way or the other, riding down the highway on a sunny Sunday might bear out the original proposition.
Very many times, you will see a guy on a standard batwing Harley followed by a girl (at my age, every female is a "girl". I'm willing to be a boy) either on a Sportster or a Harley trike.
On the other hand, unless there's a ponytail blowing in the wind, you can't always tell, underneath the jacket. And sometimes not then ....
Lannis
Well, I'd put the ratio at about "exactly the same" to be honest... dude to chick, boy to girl, man to woman... I tend to see "couples" on the same brand of bike as their partner, and if not the same brand, then the same niche (standard, cruiser, sport, dual sport, etc). In the prairies, Harley is king. Long straight roads, as far as the eye can see... it's like the desert in Nevada, just with a shorter season and more extreme cold. But in that "Harley as King of the Road" setting, the ratio from male to female seems to be the same.
Maybe it's just the circles in which we hang... mine is a wide variety of bikes, and the women in that circle reflect that.
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Emma is a 30 year old Millennial. She wears patchouli and keffiyeh's.
I had no idea what 'patchouli' was or what it smelled like, only that it was a common feature of hippie chicks apparently.
A couple months ago, sort of as a joke, I was in a little Tibetan shop (trying their 'singing bowls' to add to my collection, I love those things) and there was a a little 1/2 oz bottle of patchouli. I bought it and put it on Fay's dresser as a lark and forgot about it.
The other night, she put some on before we got into bed.
I'm not making any more jokes about patchouli..... !
Lannis
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I had no idea what 'patchouli' was or what it smelled like, only that it was a common feature of hippie chicks apparently.
A couple months ago, sort of as a joke, I was in a little Tibetan shop (trying their 'singing bowls' to add to my collection, I love those things) and there was a a little 1/2 oz bottle of patchouli. I bought it and put it on Fay's dresser as a lark and forgot about it.
The other night, she put some on before we got into bed.
I'm not making any more jokes about patchouli..... !
Lannis
I spent some time in India once sampling their cuisine.
I experienced "singing bowels" as well....
What a co incidence...!
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"In the prairies, Harley is king. Long straight roads, as far as the eye can see..."
Have you seen this
https://www.bmwfanatics.co.za/showthread.php?tid=69546
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Gee whiz.
I opened my own post "Where are all the girls" and bugger me..
Look what "popped up.."
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"So Ready for You." :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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This may go down as the strangest thread ever on WG :shocked:
Dusty
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This may go down as the strangest thread ever on WG :shocked:
Dusty
I thought the initial premise was ok Dusty, but against all my expectations it's developed a mind of it's own..
IT'S ALIVE........!!!!!!!
(Now who would have thought....?)