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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: flip on February 24, 2018, 09:15:01 AM
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Several weeks ago, my Breva 1100 would not start. I did the startus interuptus fix years ago. I tried charging the battery, no help. I took the wires loose and cleaned them in case there was any corrosion or oxidation. I saw none. I took the smaller battery out of another bike after charging it. It cranked! Bingo, bad battery.
So, I order a new Bike Master agm battery. I make sure it is fully charged, put it in my Breva and it fires right up. A few days later, I decide to go for a ride and the Breva won't crank. When I turn the key, the dash sweeps, it seems normal but when I hit the starter button, nothing happens, no click, no clunk, just silence. I put a trickle charger on it and left it over night. I bought another trickle charger and tried it just in case the first charger had issues. No change.
What do I check now?
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Bad battery, new or not. When suppliers ship batteries they often throw them and no damage on the outside but they don't last. Riders Hill had to change suppliers twice cause every other one was bad from shipping.
Get it load tested.
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Make sure you have good and TIGHT battery connections! I know its obvious but often overlooked.....
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Starter relay? Tried swapping in another relay for A/B comparo?
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My bet is like Steve said. I have found BikeMaster batteries to be inferior to Yusa. I only get Yusa have never had a problem with them.
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Had a weird intermittent start issue on a 1200 Sport that would only show up every few hundred tries, but once it failed all the on-offs and re-tries did not help. Push the button and nothing. Had done all the fixes, load test on battery positive, and still no joy. Only thing that seemed to work was disconnect the battery, wait a half hour and then it would start up like nothing happened. So I installed a remote start button under the seat that went straight to the starter solenoid (fused of course). Tested it out and bike would start up. Funny thing is once I installed that start button, only needed it once in the next 20,000 miles. took the button off before I traded the bike in (put the bike back to complete stock). I think it had to do with the replacement dash going out again. Don't really know for sure.
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Did you grease the battery terminals to stop them corroding? Most times you can get away without but every now and then it will bite you.
To test the battery and the starter take a wire from the spade connector on the solenoid and touch it on the battery positive, if it cranks those two items are fine.
IMPORTANT note Make sure the bike is in Neutral before doing above, hold the clutch in to be sure.
If it cranks then we can go from there.
http://www.thisoldtractor.com/guzzi007/schematics/2005_Breva_1100.gif
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Had a weird intermittent start issue on a 1200 Sport that would only show up every few hundred tries, but once it failed all the on-offs and re-tries did not help. Push the button and nothing. Had done all the fixes, load test on battery positive, and still no joy. Only thing that seemed to work was disconnect the battery, wait a half hour and then it would start up like nothing happened. So I installed a remote start button under the seat that went straight to the starter solenoid (fused of course). Tested it out and bike would start up. Funny thing is once I installed that start button, only needed it once in the next 20,000 miles. took the button off before I traded the bike in (put the bike back to complete stock). I think it had to do with the replacement dash going out again. Don't really know for sure.
Darren, sounds like the SI fix wasn�t working. I recently bought an 07 Griso, the wire from the relay to solenoid was woefully undersized, I replaced it with an 18 AWG the solenoid now operates 3 x faster
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Darren, sounds like the SI fix wasn�t working. I recently bought an 07 Griso, the wire from the relay to solenoid was woefully undersized, I replaced it with an 18 AWG the solenoid now operates 3 x faster
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Pretty sure, maybe 75%, my problem was the dash. The relay was not getting a signal from the front of the bike and I checked the start button and it was making. The dash was starting to do wonky things all during this time, eventually getting worse and worse.
My problem was I only was able to really trouble shoot it once as it didn't do it very often, only once at home when I could start checking things. Sometimes it would "fix" itself quickly without me doing anything other than trying it again. Like I said above, disconnecting the battery seemed to be the only sure remedy, until the aux. start button/circuit.
And I have heeded your advice and Vaseline coats all my connections! :thumb:
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Darren
The 1200 sport must be interlocked inside the ECU not the Dash, signal goes in pin 27 and out pin 1, I have never seen the ECU logic published for any Guzzi, I think that sucks. I would be quite interested because that's part of what I do for a crust.
You say disconnecting the battery would fix it, I can see that causing a trip to reset.
Good idea to wire in a bypass button. :thumb:
http://www.thisoldtractor.com/guzzi007/schematics/2007_Norge.gif
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Darren
The 1200 sport must be interlocked inside the ECU not the Dash, signal goes in pin 27 and out pin 1, I have never seen the ECU logic published for any Guzzi, I think that sucks. I would be quite interested because that's part of what I do for a crust.
You say disconnecting the battery would fix it, I can see that causing a trip to reset.
Good idea to wire in a bypass button. :thumb:
http://www.thisoldtractor.com/guzzi007/schematics/2007_Norge.gif
There was a lot learned and shared around here after I traded my Sport in on a Stelvio. If I had to go back I may have kept that bike and applied the knowledge shared here to keep it going, but at the time I needed more dependability and the dash/ECU design with it's corrosion issues pushed me over the cliff. I did really like that bike.
The OP's Breva does sound more like a bad battery and then a defective replacement. Need to hear what is happening and let you smart guys help him out.
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Double check the ground wire under the plastic starter cover. Be careful as the funky bolt is not that strong.
Brian
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A way to just check the Batt and the starter is just hotwire it, 12V from batt to solenoid spade. It will turn over key on or not, you'll know if batt has enough poop or starter don't work.
Many a Guzzi out there w/hotwire switch, just so you can get home.
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A way to just check the Batt and the starter is just hotwire it, 12V from batt to solenoid spade. It will turn over key on or not, you'll know if batt has enough poop or starter don't work.
Many a Guzzi out there w/hotwire switch, just so you can get home.
:1: As Guzzisteve suggests it's really good to try this out, easy to do. Once you have determined if the bike will crank or not you have eliminated half the potential problems and it's easier for us to figure out what the problem might be.
Next step if it won't crank because the battery is drained is to bump start, doesn't hurt to practice that now and then.
There is no reason to ever get stuck on the road because the bike won't crank over, even a flat battery should have enough to fire the spark if you leave the ignition off for 15 minutes.
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Hey Flip,
Any updates on your no start issues with your Breva?
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Hey Flip,
Any updates on your no start issues with your Breva?
I haven't had much free time lately and when I when I did, I just haven't felt up to messing with it. Maybe next week...
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Before it wouldn't start:-
a) did you ride in the rain
b) the speedo have a hissy fit and jump about or show warp speeds?
If yes to "a" or "b" check fuse D and read this http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=91817.0
You might be lucky
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A similar problem with my B11 a few months ago. Battery ok, relay ok, but kept blowing fuses. Turned out starter itself was broken.