Wildguzzi.com
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: fotoguzzi on April 09, 2018, 09:03:35 PM
-
a Guzzi is for sale near me with a reasonable price.. Not my first choice to get back in the Guzzi world but interested in your take on it.
it's a 2 valve motor, right?
should I have concerns about the dash?
just how heavy is it?
the trunk would have to go, or save for when I need it.. I'd be looking for HB bags and mounts, anyone?
what else should I check out or ask about..
I sent message to see if he's the original owner and asked for more pics.
https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ank/mcy/6556716822.html
(https://images.craigslist.org/00A0A_1MjQE6obWk_600x450.jpg)
-
Good price. Fun bike to ride.
-
Hey, it even comes with T-shirts!!!
Worth a closer look.....
Jeff
-
a Guzzi is for sale near me with a reasonable price.. Not my first choice to get back in the Guzzi world but interested in your take on it.
Good price for a 1200. But, I'd likely never buy one, as my Breva 1100 experience has soured me on the Breva/Norge lineup. That said, maybe the clutch design was improved over the 2006 (see comments about the clutch and dash below).
it's a 2 valve motor, right?
Yep.
should I have concerns about the dash?
Absolutely :angry: I put two in my 2006 Breva 1100. Loved that bike, got sick of replacing dashes. Sold my spare one to OhioRider for his 1200 Sport.
just how heavy is it?
If the same as the Breva 1100, about 540# wet.
the trunk would have to go, or save for when I need it.. I'd be looking for HB bags and mounts, anyone?
what else should I check out or ask about..
HB bags are great, I had the 30L ones on my Breva.
Does anyone know if the clutch design was improved on these over the B11? The original clutch on my B11 delaminated and came apart at 23k miles.
-
Yes, 2 valve head. It is a Norge with less fairing and different bars. Very good bike as far as I know.
-
Big torquey 2V twin, a little heavy but great mile muncher and do everything bike.
I've been halfway looking for one, if you don't want it, I might. :thumb:
-
Per Jas67 post above, I think the clutch was improved but don�t know details. I have not heard of significant issues with Norge or 1200 sport clutches, I don�t think there are issues to speak of. Some of the earlier Norge also had issues such as oil pumps that were also fixed by the time the 1200 Sport was produced.
-
The custom exhaust has been moved to the right and looks higher, with what can be seen.
Might be an issue if mounting bags... :undecided:
Never mind, I see the seller says the stock exhaust is included :embarrassed:
It also has what may be a Laminar lip, a good thing if integrated well.
-
I believe the Breva/Sport dash issue is overblown personally. I’ve only ever had to replace one on a Breva but I know that anecdotally they have a higher failure rate than say Griso’s or Stelvios.
The clutch is the same twin plate that has been used forever. Periodically the factory got bad batches of plates but the design itself hasn’t really changed since dinosaurs ruled the earth.
Looking at it my guess is that that pipe hidden behind the bike is a Guzzitech right hand exit pipe. If it is it will completely screw the fueling if it’s still running a closed loop factory map and will be deafeningly loud. If it has also has the full PCV/AT/reflash done it will almost certainly be an overfuelling monster that gets lousy mileage and grossly underperforms. If that is the case just take all the crap off, put the original pipe back on and remap it either with the factory map or a decent one from another source and go ride.
Unless they’ve had ‘The treatment’ it will probably need new swingarm bearings and a shock linkage con rod and depending on miles/climate maybe steering head bearings.
As others have said it’s basically a naked Norge with handlebars rather than riser bars like the Norge. I have several customers who have racked up big distances on 2V 1200 Sports, they are a good, rugged platform and a superb mile muncher. As long as it fits you? Why not?
Pete
-
I've no clue about the bike itself, but you can greatly improve the top box (trunk??) by removing the ridiculously over-sized back rest.
Its held on with 4 self tappers IIRC and you can fit a few plastic plugs to make it watertight again
(http://thumb.ibb.co/hMCWux/WP_20170520_16_15_45_Pro.jpg) (http://ibb.co/hMCWux)
-
It's sort of like a Norge without a fairing but the suspension and brakes are better. It would benefit from thicker fork oil and resetting the air gap if it hasn't already been done. HH pads seem to cure the rotor warping issue. My dash failed within a year. Remove the GuzziTwerp exhaust immediately and sell it to one of his fawning disciples. That exhaust is obscenely loud and makes the bike run like wet dog poo. As Pete said it's probably running pig-rich. It almost has to have a PC-V because of the exhaust. You could remove the PC-V(again, you could unload it together with his exhaust to a rube on his site) and load a Beetle map. You could also leave the PC-V but add an Auto-tune. Either put the stock exhaust back on or a Mistral and leave the DB killer in it. Then use the Auto-tune trim feature to get the bike running right again using the Mistral or stock exhaust.
Norge panniers fit the 1200 Sport. HB bags and racks cost about the same as Norge Panniers. The Norge setup is factory and the bike looks a lot better when you take them off than it does with the HB mounts bare, IMHO. The seller added a larger windscreen over the stock one. That may or may not work for you. If he drilled the stock screen to add the new one and you want to remove it I think I still have my stock screen and a spare tail cover floating around in the shed. They're yours for shipping costs if you want them. If it's running the stock Metlezer M3's I suggest swapping them for a sport touring tire. M3's are designed for 400lb sportbikes. It's really easy to overheat the carcass of them with a 550lb bike if you ride aggressively and then they get greasy. They also have the triangular profile on the front tire that makes the bike fall into corners under braking. I wasn't a fan. Michelin PR2's or PR3's have a rounded profile so it will take a hair more effort to turn but it's a lot more linear as you bank it over. Just my .02
-
If it's running the stock Metlezer M3's I suggest swapping them for a sport touring tire. M3's are designed for 400lb sportbikes. It's really easy to overheat the carcass of them with a 550lb bike if you ride aggressively and then they get greasy. They also have the triangular profile on the front tire that makes the bike fall into corners under braking. I wasn't a fan. Michelin PR2's or PR3's have a rounded profile so it will take a hair more effort to turn but it's a lot more linear as you bank it over. Just my .02
Agreed. Poor tire choice from the factory. With only a slight amount of wear, I found the bike to be a handful wanting to fall too far into a turn, requiring constant correction. Ended up initially on Metzeler 880s, but went to PR3 and now PR4. Nice, confident. neutral-handling bike with the Michelins. Michelins seem much more compliant than the previous 880s.
I've been riding mine since April 2010. Now at 67,000 miles. I made a few mods to mine shortly after buying. Mostly ergonomic. I'm 5'8", 32" sleeve, 30" inseam. 160#.
- stock bar too wide, low and far forward for me. Replaced with Aprilia Mana bars, as did many other owners.
- adjustable foot pegs by MFW (pegs slightly lower and forward.)
- Sargent re-padded my stock saddle. Stock way too soft. Corbin for traveling. Day rides modified stock is ok.
- installed centerstand.
- installed heated grips (cheapies, but they work fine).
- installed HB mounts and 30L bags with liners.
- have Bagster tank cover and small tank bag for traveling. Need to put it back on. Very handy accessory.
- have HB rear rack (or is it Guzzi??) that I install for traveling. Adequate for tent, sleeping bag, Thermorest.
- running stock exhaust and map.
From the first ride home, the 1200 Sport felt like a bike worth investing in. Yep, the stock bars almost killed me on the 500+ mile ride home, as did the too-soft saddle, and foot pegs too high and far to the rear for me personally. But she rode so nicely, handled so nicely, shifted so nicely, accelerated so nicely, on and on, I knew this one was a keeper.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIyCC7IPL7Y
First ride from Swanzey NH to Hudson OH
Bob
-
I found it too top-heavy, in Italy. It would probably work better heading across the Great Plains to your west than, say, a Griso. I didn't like it, but it's a matter of personal taste.
I would be concerned about the dash enough to take it apart and coat the PCB, but you might get lucky. I would also ask about any symptoms before you buy: Has the dash display ever gone blank, in whole or in part? Do you see condensation on the inside of the dash's lens on bright, cold mornings, or any other times?
Moto
-
I found it too top-heavy, in Italy. It would probably work better heading across the Great Plains to your west than, say, a Griso. I didn't like it, but it's a matter of personal taste.
I would be concerned about the dash enough to take it apart and coat the PCB, but you might get lucky. I would also ask about any symptoms before you buy: Has the dash display ever gone blank, in whole or in part? Do you see condensation on the inside of the dash's lens on bright, cold mornings, or any other times?
Moto
The problem with the dash is that the drain holes are too high in the assembly and water collects, corroding the PCB. I don't know if the problem was corrected but most of the ones I heard about were 2008's.
-
I'v been very pleased with mine having had it nine years with no issues. Clock cluster works just like it was new, as does the clutch as does everything else. Like most have said it's a great do it all bike.
Pegs are a bit high and aft, but there are simple fixes to help with that.
-
I really like them, I just worry about the weight and the dashboard.
Otherwise, the best 2v big block engine that came from the factory... solid suspension, decent looks in my opinion, great luggage options, comfortable, affordable...
-
Otherwise, the best 2v big block engine that came from the factory... solid suspension, decent looks in my opinion, great luggage options, comfortable, affordable...
:thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Love mine. Rode it from Chicago to Phoenix last year. It eats the miles. Best of the CARCS IMHO.
I use a top box when I tour. Butt ugly and a bit top heavy. But sooo handy and it comes off the rest of time
M
-
Almost bought a new one back in 2007...fit me like a glove...cool bike overall...and very capable...all the deficiencies / issues CAN be sorted. Go with your heart! :thumb: :1: :cool:
(http://thumb.ibb.co/hADpgc/Guzzi_1200_Sport.jpg) (http://ibb.co/hADpgc)
NOTE: I wanted a Centauro for many years...never bought one because several of my Guzzi "expert" friends said:
* Oh they are problematic...
* Oh you can't get parts for them...
* Oh they can't be modified / sorted / upgraded....
* Oh they are unreliable
* Oh you can't tour on them
* Oh - Oh - Oh :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
ALL BS of course, and a few years ago, I finally stopped listening to everyone...and bought this one ('98 Centauro GT)...and it is the most fun of the 5 Guzzi's I have ever owned!! No regrets... :thumb: :cool: :1:
(http://thumb.ibb.co/f3wmSH/IMG_5569.jpg) (http://ibb.co/f3wmSH)
delete kik (https://deleteacc.com/kik)
-
You may want to change the bars out as they make you reach quite a bit, one day I realized why they were like that, it will come into its own at about 120 MPH, then the bars are correct. DonG
-
Almost bought a new one back in 2007...fit me like a glove...cool bike overall...and very capable...all the deficiencies / issues CAN be sorted. Go with your heart! :thumb: :1: :cool:
(http://thumb.ibb.co/hADpgc/Guzzi_1200_Sport.jpg) (http://ibb.co/hADpgc)
NOTE: I wanted a Centauro for many years...never bought one because several of my Guzzi "expert" friends said:
* Oh they are problematic...
* Oh you can't get parts for them...
* Oh they can't be modified / sorted / upgraded....
* Oh they are unreliable
* Oh you can't tour on them
* Oh - Oh - Oh :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
ALL BS of course, and a few years ago, I finally stopped listening to everyone...and bought this one ('98 Centauro GT)...and it is the most fun of the 5 Guzzi's I have ever owned!! No regrets... :thumb: :cool: :1:
(http://thumb.ibb.co/f3wmSH/IMG_5569.jpg) (http://ibb.co/f3wmSH)
delete kik (https://deleteacc.com/kik)
I wasn't trying to dissuade FG with my post. The 1200 Sport is a fantastic bike, and maybe my clutch problem was a fluke, as it doesn't seem to be a common problem, as I've not read of anyone else having the problem. But, the dash problem is real. But, again, it seems to be a small percentage of bikes actually affected. Having had to pay for TWO replacements, plus the clutch, I'm a bit jaded on the whole Breva/1200 Sport/Norge lineup. BUT -- maybe I was just unlucky.
Expensive problems aside, I really did enjoy riding the Breva. It's a great sport tourer, IMHO, and I would think that the 1200 would be even better.
And to follow up DonG's comment on "coming into it's own at 120", yes, these bikes are long legged. The sweet spot for the Breva 1100 was about 80 MPH, though it was quite happy to go faster, maybe a little too happy :evil: :copcar:
-
You may want to change the bars out as they make you reach quite a bit, one day I realized why they were like that, it will come into its own at about 120 MPH, then the bars are correct. DonG
I'm not sure if he still makes them but Mike Bui used to make risers for the Sport. They're super nice.
-
I've got Mana bars on mine. They don't have much more rise, but more sweep. Kind of like the old Superbike Bar bend.
A tight bolt on and a major improvement in comfort.
M
-
I wasn't trying to dissuade FG with my post. The 1200 Sport is a fantastic bike, and maybe my clutch problem was a fluke, as it doesn't seem to be a common problem, as I've not read of anyone else having the problem. But, the dash problem is real. But, again, it seems to be a small percentage of bikes actually affected. Having had to pay for TWO replacements, plus the clutch, I'm a bit jaded on the whole Breva/1200 Sport/Norge lineup. BUT -- maybe I was just unlucky.
Expensive problems aside, I really did enjoy riding the Breva. It's a great sport tourer, IMHO, and I would think that the 1200 would be even better.
And to follow up DonG's comment on "coming into it's own at 120", yes, these bikes are long legged. The sweet spot for the Breva 1100 was about 80 MPH, though it was quite happy to go faster, maybe a little too happy :evil: :copcar:
The "POS" Veglia Borletti tach "died" on my Centuaro GT shortly after I bought it. It had about 6500 miles on it.
I was fortunate enough to source a "new" OEM tach on here, thanks to one kind Guzzisti, and sent the old one to the UK to be rebuilt, so now I have a spare. So, yes, it cost me some money, but I hate things that don't work right, so I paid the piper and now it is fine and I have a spare, just in case. That's the "sorting" process on any motorcycle...new or used. :wink: :thumb: :cool:
-
I wasn't trying to dissuade FG with my post.
Don't worry about that I'll go in eyes wide open and not planning to buy yet. it's had 2 owners (-)
I get it about the pipe and fueling(-)
still waiting for pics..
it's a good hour away and I don't have a lot of time for this.. If it was a Nero Corsa i'd be there already.
so I'll update when I have more..
-
So I have the '08 Norge. Same motor, same color.
I must say that is one heck of a deal. I wish something like that was available in 2010, when I bought mine.
I have over 30,000 miles on mine, and very few problems.
I would not hesitate to get THAT bike in a heartbeat.
-
Don't worry about that I'll go in eyes wide open and not planning to buy yet. it's had 2 owners (-)
I get it about the pipe and fueling(-)
still waiting for pics..
it's a good hour away and I don't have a lot of time for this.. If it was a Nero Corsa i'd be there already.
so I'll update when I have more..
My point is, with any used motorcycle, there will always be things you will want your way after the purchase, including upgrades, mods, things that need fixing / replacing, etc. That's all part of the sorting process...and my experience is that it usually takes about a year of riding, hand-wringing, researching, etc., until you get it "sorted" where you want it. :thumb: :1: :cool: Even a new bike can have warranty issues, etc...all part of the fun of ownership... :1:
-
Fotoguzzi has owned more Guzzi's than I have....Well maybe :grin:
I sure like my 1200, though Judi is not strong on it. Sits her up pretty high. She is spoiled by the sidecar!
-
I like your 1200 too. :thumb: :evil: For those that don't know. Chris let me use it for the last IA National in Elkader. Had loads of fun on it. :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: Ahem....mahalo Chris. By the way, when is the WI state rally? I don't think I want to go to the pending fiasco in Woodinville, WA. :tongue:
-
1st full weekend in August (3,4,5) many of us there on Thursday too. Look forward to seeing you. Bike is waiting for you :thumb:
See wmgr.org (http://wmgr.org)
I like your 1200 too. :thumb: :evil: For those that don't know. Chris let me use it for the last IA National in Elkader. Had loads of fun on it. :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: Ahem....mahalo Chris. By the way, when is the WI state rally? I don't think I want to go to the pending fiasco in Woodinville, WA. :tongue:
-
Bought mine in Nov. 2013 with 3,800 miles on it and rode it 1,400 miles home from Oklahoma. Foot pegs were way to high for my 32" inseam so I duct taped my rain suit to the seat to get my legs a break. Once home, I got 1.5 inch lowered foot pegs and added an inch of foam under the seat. Now it fits me like a glove.
Handlebars are fine. Fell in love with it on the ride back from Oklahoma. The only real problem was the startus interruptus and I put that kit in and it's been fine.
I now have 29,000 miles on it and it's my Guzzi of choice. For me, it does everything I want a bike to do. Last September, I put H&B bags on it and I took it on an 8- day trip down into North Carolina and Virginia and had a fantastic time. Ive never been a "Black" vehicle person until now. In black, all the parts flow together and it looks beautiful. Guzzi got it right.
-
I Bought my 08 1200S with 7500 miles on it and it is one of my favorite bikes. Problems were No-start at 12000 miles,instrument panel failed at 17500miles,oil pump failed at around 30,000 miles.
If I were buying a 1200S or a Norge I would replace the oil pump immediately just to be sure and add a separate starter relay before you are forced to figure out the starter problem on the road.
Mods are Griso bars with Moto international bar risers, foot pegs lowered 1 inch and a Corbin seat with 1 inch add height. Engine and transmission is from a 2013 Griso.
The bike has been on multiple trips on the PCH from Washington to LA, Idaho and Montana.
(http://thumb.ibb.co/gauFPx/1200_Sport.jpg) (http://ibb.co/gauFPx)
-
Nice drivetrain swap!
-
A guy wouldn't notice unless he *looked.* Nice job..
-
No one really has brought this up but according to my calculations, only about 125 1200 Sports were brought into the states in 2008.
Figuring, Moto Guzzi imports about 750 bikes per year. Divide that number by 6 models (1200 Sport, Norge, Griso, Cal Vin, Nevada Classic and Breva 750) and you end up with about 125 here. ~63 Red and 63 Black. That's pretty rare.
P.S. Installing the center stand is well worth it!
-
I Bought my 08 1200S with 7500 miles on it and it is one of my favorite bikes. Problems were No-start at 12000 miles,instrument panel failed at 17500miles,oil pump failed at around 30,000 miles.
If I were buying a 1200S or a Norge I would replace the oil pump immediately just to be sure and add a separate starter relay before you are forced to figure out the starter problem on the road.
Mods are Griso bars with Moto international bar risers, foot pegs lowered 1 inch and a Corbin seat with 1 inch add height. Engine and transmission is from a 2013 Griso.
The bike has been on multiple trips on the PCH from Washington to LA, Idaho and Montana.
(http://thumb.ibb.co/gauFPx/1200_Sport.jpg) (http://ibb.co/gauFPx)
Well that answers the question of whether you can stick an 8V in the 2V chassis. Nice job.
Pete
-
(http://thumb.ibb.co/gauFPx/1200_Sport.jpg) (http://ibb.co/gauFPx)
Nice!
:drool:
-
Hey Brad, did you ever make any move on the Sport 1200?
-
No, I figured if he can't be bothered to send me some better pics it's not worth my time.
it's still listed.
-
Yo Seth !!
I too have been interested in the Guzzi 1200 Sport. I have gathered this engine information which I believe to be true but which could be completely wrong (will those who really know for sure please correct):
2008 1200 Sport (and Norge) and prior have 2V cyl heads.
2009 1200 Sport - 1st (& only) year for the 4V cyl heads (therefore one must be sure the roller tappet mod has been made).
Therefore, looks like you are "safe" with the 2V heads on the 2008 in the CL ad you linked.
Dan
-
The 4v head 1200 sport was never sold in North America.
-
Well that answers the question of whether you can stick an 8V in the 2V chassis. Nice job.
Pete
Okaaaayyyy...??
Hmmmm..
-
Well that answers the question of whether you can stick an 8V in the 2V chassis. Nice job.
Pete
Is that the same frame as mine Pete ?
Would have loved that free Stelvio that was "too far away" for any bugger to go and get... :wink:
-
Everyone seems hot to put the Aprilla Mana bars on their bike, but where can they be had for under $220???
I put the KX High bar from Protaper on my breva with the Sport 1200 clamps and faring... $45!
-
Everyone seems hot to put the Aprilla Mana bars on their bike, but where can they be had for under $220???
I put the KX High bar from Protaper on my breva with the Sport 1200 clamps and faring... $45!
I put ProTaper (I think the 621?) bars on mine, at Dave Richardson's recommendation. Much more economical and gave me the ergonomics I was looking for.
-
Foto I believe this bike was originally sold by Caswell to a guy from Mora, he had it for a few years but wasn’t riding it much,he owned a septic service in Mora. I saw the bike at the Money Creak rally but I can’t remember the year, his wife didn’t like riding 2 up so he was talking about selling. I was considering it but next year he wasn’t at rally and Caswell told me he sold it very cheap to a guy near Cambridge. I can’t remember the guys name but around the Caswell camp site he would sing country western songs at night,he had a great voice, maybe you can recall.
Anyway if you get vin # you could check with Caswell,he did all the service to it.
Dave
-
I recently purchased a 2008 1200 Sport for $3,200 with 33,000 miles on it. It has many upgrade components such as PCV w/Auto Tune, Mistral Exhaust, Air intake snorkel removed, HH Sintered brake pads, front fork springs changed to Progressive, rear shock changed to Traxxion Dynamics, dash changed 3000 miles ago, Mana bars and extended risers.
What else can I do to improve power output ?
It has an undersized rear tire on it 170/60. Is there any handling or gearing advantage to this ?
Bill.
-
Everyone seems hot to put the Aprilla Mana bars on their bike, but where can they be had for under $220???
I put the KX High bar from Protaper on my breva with the Sport 1200 clamps and faring... $45!
I don't remember what I paid for mine. But you're right, the bars weren't cheap. However, since I've owned and ridden the bike for 8 years since purchasing, it's sort of a pro rated thing.
Bob
-
Remove and throw away the PCV/AT, make sure it’s got a real air filter in it, tune it properly and try a 180 section rear, (You can always revert to the 170 if you find you prefer it.). Real maps are available to make it run better if desired.
Pete
-
Remove and throw away the PCV/AT, make sure it’s got a real air filter in it, tune it properly and try a 180 section rear, (You can always revert to the 170 if you find you prefer it.). Real maps are available to make it run better if desired.
Pete
Pete please tell me more about the PCVAT. Are there problems with it ? Yes it has a real pleated paper filter in it. Looks new and is very clean. How are maps loaded into the ECU ? I have and use TuneECU for my Triumph Rocket III.
-
Bill, if *it runs fine, gives good fuel mileage, plugs look good, etc.* I'd just ride it. If not, I'd listen to Pete. :smiley:
Welcome to WG, btw. It's a good place to learn about all the foibles and fantasticnious of Guzzi. :grin:
-
Bill, if *it runs fine, gives good fuel mileage, plugs look good, etc.* I'd just ride it. If not, I'd listen to Pete. :smiley:
Welcome to WG, btw. It's a good place to learn about all the foibles and fantasticnious of Guzzi. :grin:
Aside from routine maintenance, some grease on the swing arm bearings and splines, that's what I've been doing for the past 67,000 miles, Oh, and a used dashboard at about 60,000 miles. She's been a great bike! If you want a spreadsheet service record, send me via PM your email address, and I'll send you the excel file.
Anyway, a heavy bike that is an absolute mile muncher!
BTW - talk to us about the need for more power.
Bob
-
Everyone seems hot to put the Aprilla Mana bars on their bike, but where can they be had for under $220???
I put the KX High bar from Protaper on my breva with the Sport 1200 clamps and faring... $45!
I have a set of Mana bars I had fitted to my Breva that I would sell for a very fair price. Shipping would probably BE 15-20 CONUS.
-
Can any of you guys tell me what is available for a service manual and where one can be obtained ?
-
You’ll probably find it’s available on Greg Bender’s ‘This old tractor’ site.
Most important thing for novices to know is that you don’t try and alter the idle speed by playing with the throttle stop screws.
For tuning you’ll need a laptop with Guzzidiag installed or one of the other proprietary tuning interfaces.
Pete
-
Can any of you guys tell me what is available for a service manual and where one can be obtained ?
If your email will accept a file that is almost 8meg, (and if mine will permit me to attach and send it,) drop me your email address and I'll attach and send it to you.
Bob
-
Shift at 6K. Cruise at 5K.
-
I had one and enjoyed it. As others mentioned, there are a number of mods to be done- bars, seat, startus interuptus, swingarm bearings/linkage/driveshaft, replace half plastic fuel filter inside the tank, replace starter immobilizer that fried (surprisingly difficult to get to and time consuming). I had real problems with the high idle issue. I did everything recommended short of cutting out the stepper motor (or whatever rewire was recommended). There was no permanent fix (and yes, I did follow the instruction of St. Roper). It was always worse at temps below 60 deg F. The bike just would not idle below 2000rpm in lower temps. Really irritating. I had the guzzi software and was in there resetting CO and TPS many times. The bike is definitely top heavy. The plastic tank swells with ethanol gas and in some cases can distort. Mine seemed to get longer- so removing the tan k became a chore (I had to use a ratchet strap to get the rear mounting hole to line up). The motor is fine and was reliable. However, the last straw was the impending doom of the dash. I never had problems, but wanted to sell the machine before anything happened.
-
So, it was essentially trouble free,then, Jonathan? :smiley:
That would definitely have soured me on Guzzis..
-
I had real problems with the high idle issue. I did everything recommended short of cutting out the stepper motor (or whatever rewire was recommended). There was no permanent fix (and yes, I did follow the instruction of St. Roper). It was always worse at temps below 60 deg F. The bike just would not idle below 2000rpm in lower temps. Really irritating. I had the guzzi software and was in there resetting CO and TPS many times.
My 1200 Sport has similar fast idle symptoms, though at temps of 50F or lower. Makes me think it may be the ambient air temp sensor or engine temp sensor not sending the proper data to the ECU. In other words, the ECU thinks the ambient air temp (or engine temp) is colder than 'true' temp, and bumps up the idle to compensate. I don't think the dash temp sensor provides data to the ECU, but not sure about this. The analog output specs for these sensors are available. I found them on line in some training materials for the B11. Any thoughts from those who know these engines? I'm only speculating.
-
The plastic tank swells with ethanol gas and in some cases can distort. Mine seemed to get longer- so removing the tan k became a chore (I had to use a ratchet strap to get the rear mounting hole to line up).
I had the same problem of the lengthening fuel tank with my 2006 Breva 1100, and also with my 2009 V7 Classic.
I also had to use a ratchet strap to get the rear mounting hole to line up on both bikes.