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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Ncdan on April 18, 2018, 08:48:10 PM
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I’m looking at a 2015 California 1400 listed in my area 2000.00 less than NADA average book value. Bike is like new condition with 2600 miles. I’m thinking about a buy and keeping my 07 Calvin, which is also mint condition with 11000 miles and ridding both and see if one wins over the other. Anyone who has one of these new 1400 California bikes please speak out and give me your opinions on the 1400. Thanks in advance.
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I�m looking at a 2015 California 1400 listed in my area 2000.00 less than NADA average book value. Bike is like new condition with 2600 miles. I�m thinking about a buy and keeping my 07 Calvin, which is also mint condition with 11000 miles and ridding both and see if one wins over the other. Anyone who has one of these new 1400 California bikes please speak out and give me your opinions on the 1400. Thanks in advance.
I have a 2014 1400 Custom that I now have over 27000 miles on. I’ve never owned a Calvin 1100 but I do have a Lemans 5. The 1400 is going to be about 100 lbs heavier but is lower to the ground and well balanced. The motor is an absolute gem and is FAR superior to the 2 valve in smoothness and power. Go ride one and see for yourself.
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I don't own one or desire to but I do have advice if you like them... TEST RIDE.. tell the owner your serious but need at least 30
hours minutes seat time..
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I don't own one or desire to but I do have advice if you like them... TEST RIDE.. tell the owner your serious but need at least 30 hours minutes seat time..
I've ridden one ... TEST RIDE it for sure, see if it's what you want. It's a great big ol' touring bike, if that's what you're after, you're on the right track.
Lannis
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Or, keep BOTH!
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Thanks for the responses guys. Yea I would definitely ride it. So Thur far no one has pointed out any real negatives. I realize it’s a little heavier than my 07 but I understand it’s also right much lower center of gravity. It the power much more significant than the 1100?
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It the power much more significant than the 1100?
Danny, the 1400 has about 20% more power, and 30% more torque. You could pull down small buildings with one.
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I went from a 1100 Cali to the 1400 touring. Admittedly mine was the older 1100i but there's really no comparison between the two.
I intended to keep both as I had owned the 1100 for 20 years & many happy miles but riding both bikes back to back the 1100 felt like what it was, something from another era & almost toylike in comparison to the 1400.
I sold the 1100 & haven't regretted it.
Jon
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I have an 14 California Touring, and absolutely love it! Great touring bike!
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Thanks a bunch guys for the responses guys. I definitely want to ride it. Like I said i can get the bike for 2k under the book and it only has 2600 miles!
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Dan,I really enjoy my 1400 custom and it has been stone reliable since purchased new in 2014. Used primarily for two up touring it has been great for that purpose. You will go through rear tires in 6,000 miles, but the handling and braking belies a machine of its size. The engine is extremely smooth once off idle and the cruise control, abs and traction control are all pluses. It is a beast to push around the garage but it is wonderful out on the road. I was looking at road kings and then test rode the 1400. Game over. Hope you get a test ride and give us your take on it.
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I had a 2008 CalVin, great bike, but doesn't hold a candle to my 1400 Eldorado. Go for it!
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I went from an 1100 EV to a Cali 1400 tour. I had figured on selling the EV, but found that it made a far better city / work bike than the 1400 for shorter trips. After riding the 1400 for a while, the EV feels very light and nimble, so it's staying.
The 1400 is a rocket ship. the controls will feel a mile out in front in comparison, but you'll adjust to this in a matter of blocks, not miles.
The shifter throw is larger, and needs proportionally the same "authority" when shifting as the EV.
I personally feel like 6 gears is overkill. 5 gears spread over the same range would have done just fine with such a strong motor, resulting in more gear changes than necessary.
Know beforehand that 1st gear on the 1400 is at the bottom of the shifter travel, thus lacking the reassuring "dead space" below 1st gear that the old ones have.
The stock seat is wonderful on mine, and the seating position geometry is near perfect. I have no need to shift around on it as I do with my 5'11" frame on the EV.
The 1400 has a lumpy rumble at idle that borders on the obnoxious, but this disappears the instant you come off idle.
It's really a different animal, and as such not properly comparable to the old Calis. How you use a bike will dictate whether or not it's actually a replacement.
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Dan,I really enjoy my 1400 custom and it has been stone reliable since purchased new in 2014. Used primarily for two up touring it has been great for that purpose. You will go through rear tires in 6,000 miles, but the handling and braking belies a machine of its size. The engine is extremely smooth once off idle and the cruise control, abs and traction control are all pluses. It is a beast to push around the garage but it is wonderful out on the road. I was looking at road kings and then test rode the 1400. Game over. Hope you get a test ride and give us your take on it.
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Lucian provided a concise and accurate summary. 24,000 trouble free miles on my 2014 Custom.
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Great evaluations and comparisons guys, this greatly helps my task at hand. The main issue I think will have the most weight in my decision will be that my Calvin is a low mileage, 11,000, pristine condition bike. With the assistance of Mr Beetle making me a great map and the Calvin running flawlessly, it will be a tough decision to part with her. Therefore the 1400 will have to have something real special to simplify the decision, to make the change. I think it’s a good recommendation a couple of you guys made to keep both and ride for a while, which would be feasible for me as I have the room.
In the event I would buy the 1400 and decide to sell the Calvin I will offer it here first for around or a little under the NADA value.
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Other than weight and tire wear the only negative I have heard is that ignition switches tend to short out leaving the owner stranded (2 cases that I know of)and cracking crossover pipes on early units.
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I wish I could get 6000 miles. At 4,480 miles, I just put on Metzler 888s in hope of greater mileage. But, in my years of riding, I have never gotten what people say I will get. Only complaint. One difference is you won't need a new map. Very powerful bike, but easy to modulate. I bought mine used with 400 miles last summer. So, judging by the current mileage and including a not riding friendly winter here, you could say that I love it. Fabulous to look at. When I ride to the local watering hole and park next to the chrome ponies and squib bikes, mine always gets the compliments and the eyes, but this could also be due to the Agostini exhaust which makes stealth approachs difficult. Like all Guzzis, it has that difficult to describe perfect handling making it a joy to ride and sneaky fast through corners. If you ride it, I am sure you will like it, but buying is up to you.
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Blueguzz, Are those the Agostinis in the pic? I have been waiting for a slip on with the look and finish of the original pipes. Did not know they existed yet.
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sorry for any confusion, that picture was pre-Ago's. They are reverse cone, smaller and lighter.
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I wish I could get 6000 miles. At 4,480 miles, I just put on Metzler 888s in hope of greater mileage. But, in my years of riding, I have never gotten what people say I will get....
Not to hijack the thread, but I am getting 6,000+ miles out of the Avon Cobras I have been running. About to mount my Third one on the rear. Plus, I really like the way the Avon’s handle.
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I'll add my 2 cents. I agree with everything said as I too have had a couple EV's prior to the 1400 Eldorado. The EV seems more nimble on twisties, but the 1400's are no slouch for what they are either. It is heavier and moving it around in the garage or where ever is where it is most noticeable. I have no regrets having gotten the 1400!
As for tires: For whatever reason, Guzzi decided to use bias ply tires on this particular version of the 1400. The Eldo also uses a 180 rear rather then the 200 series on the Touring/Custom/etc. Point is, I got a bit over 12K of the original set. I have read in these pages that some have fitted a 180 on the other models with success. That gives a much larger selection of tires. (You would need to ask those individuals about the particulars.)
I am very happy with my bike. I'm glad I got it and would do it again.
John Henry
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Here is Blu with the Ago's.
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Blueguzz, Are those the Agostinis in the pic? I have been waiting for a slip on with the look and finish of the original pipes. Did not know they existed yet.
They do exist and sound amazing! Here is a sound bite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4YXKnMRXgI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4YXKnMRXgI)
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Keep them both. I now generally use the Special Sport for weekenders and the Touring for longer trips, but I would go anywhere on either one.
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Thank you Bluguz and Vintagehoarder for taking the time to share those pic's. Those Ago's look nice. Are they chrome or stainless? I 'm sure they sound great. Are they overly loud at highway speeds? We do a fair amount of touring and too loud can get old on long days. I do feel it's a little too quite with the oem exhaust. Also , did they require a re map? Both are beautiful machines ! :thumb:
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I wear ear plugs. No problem for me. They are noticeable on take off and when getting on it, both times when I like hearing them. I just took a run this afternoon to dry after her bath and left plugs out but wore full face and I could see how it could get old, but that also accounts for the wind noise coming over the fairing. I just want to try and save some hearing so generally always use them.
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Thank you Bluguz and Vintagehoarder for taking the time to share those pic's. Those Ago's look nice. Are they chrome or stainless? I 'm sure they sound great. Are they overly loud at highway speeds? We do a fair amount of touring and too loud can get old on long days. I do feel it's a little too quite with the oem exhaust. Also , did they require a re map? Both are beautiful machines ! :thumb:
They are just right. A low Rumble but when you really get into it they Bark nicely.
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at the watering hole, there were the usual harleys with pipes, a metric with pipes and me. i have to say that the ago pipes sound every bit as menacing as the harley, but you can tell it is not a harley easily. i have never heard a metric with pipes that sound right to me. they can sound loud, but maybe it is their perfection of idle that just makes them sound like a loud drone and i include my former victory in that lot as well. blu settles into a lower idle around 850 so it is just a little stacatto which is real nice and adds character.
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at the watering hole, there were the usual harleys with pipes, a metric with pipes and me. i have to say that the ago pipes sound every bit as menacing ....
I've never figured out why anyone would want their motorcycle to sound "menacing"?
We generally have a bit of a public perception problem anyway, I don't think that helps ... ?
Lannis
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The other thing that is becoming a problem here is annual inspections. They are really getting tough on aftermarket cans. They have db apps on there phones and check the volume level. I don't know if that is a requirement for them now or not but several here are now doing it. Funny thing is they are happy to sell you an after market exhaust , install it and then deny you an inspection sticker. How messed up is that? Last summer the state troopers went into a few HD dealers and requested them to take the Rineharts off display. The times they are a changing.
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I absolutely love my '15 California 1400, it has plenty of torque and handles better than most bikes of that style. I've had a V11 California Vintage and I like the 1400 a lot better.
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Thanks for the responses guys. Yea I would definitely ride it. So Thur far no one has pointed out any real negatives. I realize it�s a little heavier than my 07 but I understand it�s also right much lower center of gravity. It the power much more significant than the 1100?
Don't forget to ride it in VELOCE MODE
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One more question for you guys that own the 1400 California Touring. I�m meeting the seller Thursday to ride it and make my final decision. On my 07 calvin the floorboards are about 1-2� to high for me. Is the ridding position the same on the 1400? Also this bike is a one owner, older gentleman who came down with cancer a course years ago and had to stop riding, thus I�m looking at a 2015 with 2600 miles total showroom condition. He does not want the headache of any haggling or lowballing so has priced it for me at 8500.00 which is dealer trade in. This seems to me as being an extremely good deal, any opinions on these issues?
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One more question for you guys that own the 1400 California Touring. I�m meeting the seller Thursday to ride it and make my final decision. On my 07 calvin the floorboards are about 1-2� to high for me. Is the ridding position the same on the 1400? Also this bike is a one owner, older gentleman who came down with cancer a couple years ago and had to stop riding, thus I�m looking at a 2015 with 2600 miles total showroom condition. He does not want the headache of any haggling or lowballing so has priced it for me at 8500.00 which is dealer trade in. This seems to me as being an extremely good deal, any opinions on these issues?
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The boards are in a much more comfortable position on the 1400. I never did like the Cali boards on the older ones.
ZZ
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The boards are in a much more comfortable position on the 1400. I never did like the Cali boards on the older ones.
ZZ
Thanks Zoom. I forgot to ask, do they have hydro valves or are adjustments required?
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$8500 is a crazy deal. I got my california touring for $11k and I thought that was nice.
As many on here have already said, the California 1400 is a sweet bike. It handles way better than it has any right to - I've never had any scary cornering moments. I had to mess with the windscreen because of a ridiculous amount of buffeting, but apart from that, I've had to do nothing to it. Even the stock seat is comfortable for me, and I always change out stock seats.
Also, I've gotten more compliments on the California than any other bike (except maybe my Bonneville).
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Thanks Zoom. I forgot to ask, do they have hydro valves or are adjustments required?
Ifters are solid.
ZZ
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The only thing that I'd add is the Cal-Vin (like my Jackal) is very similar in size/weight/performance to my Sportster and I have no reason to get rid of it just because I have an RK (like the Cali 1400, a bigger tourer).
So I agree with those who say get the Cali and hang on to both.
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In regard to the word "menacing", it was just a descriptor that came to mind. With that said, I agree about the image problem with the general public so thanks for pointing that out. But, in this forum I felt more free to use this expression because I am posting among friends who understand. I will try to be more circumspect when talking with non-riders.
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Thanks guys for the, first hand knowledge, responses. A couple guys have suggested keeping both bikes. I�ll probably keep the 07 calvin for long enough to be sure I�m willing to make an extended time commitment to the 1400 then offer someone a good deal in the one that doesn�t get chosen. I am OCD and a daily choice would drive me crazy:( I�ll offer a good deal on one or another.
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In regard to the word "menacing", it was just a descriptor that came to mind. With that said, I agree about the image problem with the general public so thanks for pointing that out. But, in this forum I felt more free to use this expression because I am posting among friends who understand. I will try to be more circumspect when talking with non-riders.
I understand; but I just had a letter-writing experience with "RIDER" magazine for describing the bikes they were testing as "menacing", and writing like it was a positive thing.
It's not just sound, the kind of sound that makes 4-year-olds cry and hold their ears when a outlaw-uniformed badass straddles his bat-wing bike and starts it.
It's the "skull mask" bandanas, the "Get-Back" whips, and all the other paraphernalia designed to make a motorcyclist look "threatening" to the general public. I have an opinion as to why some "riders" do that, but I'll keep it to myself this time, as the word "testicles" might get snipped by an auto-editor ... :grin: :thumb:
Lannis
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I understand; but I just had a letter-writing experience with "RIDER" magazine for describing the bikes they were testing as "menacing", and writing like it was a positive thing.
It's not just sound, the kind of sound that makes 4-year-olds cry and hold their ears when a outlaw-uniformed badass straddles his bat-wing bike and starts it.
It's the "skull mask" bandanas, the "Get-Back" whips, and all the other paraphernalia designed to make a motorcyclist look "threatening" to the general public. I have an opinion as to why some "riders" do that, but I'll keep it to myself this time, as the word "testicles" might get snipped by an auto-editor ... :grin: :thumb:
Lannis
Yea I just returned from the spring rally at Nags Head NC and it was about 30 % hardcore biker trash, 60% “ want a be “ bikers that actually come from all walks of life and the remanded 10% old burnt out farts like me and my other 5 buddies :). Now back to my 1400 California tourer. Keep the info coming as I’m meeting the guy Thursday morning with 85 big boys in an envelope. If I dont hear any bad reviews from any of the guys that own and ride these bikes looks like I may be the proud owner of one and possibly have an extremely nice 07 Calvin to pass on to fellow Guzziest.
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regarding the floorboards. The Calvin has the same boards as my EV but the CalVin has a lower seat causing a little more cramped riding position IMO. The 1400 is a little more feet forward with lots of room, in fact it might be long reach for some. The foot (heel) shifter is a little cumbersome on the 1400, I think some folks have taken a hack saw to it.
$8500 seems a good deal. The power, handling and braking are first rate for large Touring bike. it's a whole higher class than the CalVin so far as touring bike. I am not enamored with the feet forward riding position. Which has caused me hot-cold and can't make up my mind if I want one or not.
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Keep the info coming as I�m meeting the guy Thursday morning with 85 big boys in an envelope. If I dont hear any bad reviews from any of the guys that own and ride these bikes looks like I may be the proud owner of one and possibly have an extremely nice 07 Calvin to pass on to fellow Guzziest.
Hope that wish comes true! At least with cash in hand, you're on track to get the best deal rather than going back and forth over the phone!
Lannis
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On keeping both bikes.... I have not ridden a 1400, but I do have an EV that is much like your CalVin. I think that you MAY find the CalVin better for local daily riding and the 1400 better for long rides. If you can, keep both. They are both paid for already right? Insurance and tags would be the main cost of keeping both!
Tom
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Just took our first spring ride on the 1400 today. I have been riding the griso for the last month or so. The cali feels so roomy, smooth and comfy in comparison. Every time I ride the 14 I am re impressed on what a super bike they created with it. I think 8,500 is a fantastic deal for that example. I have never ridden the ev but I'm sure you will be taken back by what a pleasurable ride the 14 touring will be. We have put 20,000 trouble free miles on ours and look forward to the next 20. The valve adjust are the same as you are used to and are similarly easy bikes to home service. Good luck on Thursday ! Look forward to your ride report/ comparison. Here is a couple that turned up on Me CL for comparison.
https://nh.craigslist.org/mcd/d/2015-moto-guzzi-california/6541756521.html
https://nh.craigslist.org/mcy/d/2014-moto-guzzi-california/6561766230.html
One more thought on the 14. I don't think I could have it as my only bike. It is too big and heavy to be an every day around town bike. I love it for what we use it for which is mainly two up day rides and touring. I opted for the Custom model so I could add removable bags and rear box. The thought being I could downsize it when wanted. I still found it over kill for an around town, errand , commuter bike. Hence came the Griso. I think the touring, along side a light weight around town bike is a great option. Maybe trade the ev for a small block Guzzi of your liking. :thumb:
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Just took our first spring ride on the 1400 today. I have been riding the griso for the last month or so. The cali feels so roomy, smooth and comfy in comparison. Every time I ride the 14 I am re impressed on what a super bike they created with it. I think 8,500 is a fantastic deal for that example. I have never ridden the ev but I'm sure you will be taken back by what a pleasurable ride the 14 touring will be. We have put 20,000 trouble free miles on ours and look forward to the next 20. The valve adjust are the same as you are used to and are similarly easy bikes to home service. Good luck on Thursday ! Look forward to your ride report/ comparison. Here is a couple that turned up on Me CL for comparison.
https://nh.craigslist.org/mcd/d/2015-moto-guzzi-california/6541756521.html
https://nh.craigslist.org/mcy/d/2014-moto-guzzi-california/6561766230.html
Sorry for the thread drift, but I have been missing my Griso lately. Been looking at a leftover Griso the local dealer has. So Lucian, remind me what itch does the Griso scratch that the 1400 misses.
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Sorry for the thread drift, but I have been missing my Griso lately. Been looking at a leftover Griso the local dealer has. So Lucian, remind me what itch does the Griso scratch that the 1400 misses.
All I can think of Mike is the Goldilocks fable. " This ones too big , This ones too small, This one's just right" For one the Griso is such a beautiful bike to just look at, I would miss that alone. Also the visceral feel of the 1200 is unlike anything else , I would miss the hot rod sound and sport bike feel. And lastly after learning how to rollerize the top end[ thanks Pete] and re map the icu[ thanks mark] grease the swingarm and dog bone [ thanks Leafman] and familiarize myself with the routine maintenance and nuances I couldn't possibly part with it.
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I hear you guys when saying keep the 1400 for the heavy Touring bike and a the Calvin for the around town and sporty ride and respect and appreciate the opinion on that point.
Until I got the Calvin my one and only bike was an 03 electrc glide full dresser which was my around town as well as Touring two up bike. Personally I Don�t have an issue with a heavier bike and the 1400 is two hundred pounds less than Harley. Add my wife as no longer rides we are talking 350 pounds less than I�m use to. We will see. I plan to keep the Calvin until I�m sure about the whole deal.
Thanks for all the responses, lots of gaps have been filled in for me through them.
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I'm closing in on 50000 miles on my 1400T. After the first set of Dunlops I've been using Bridgestone Excedra Max tires, as are most of the 1400 owners in the Northwest. I've been getting 10000 out of the rears and got almost 20000 on my last front. I've been riding my 01 EV the last few days, and it's a nice change up. The 1400 actually gets better mileage on the road. Keep both bikes, you won't regret it. There's a very nice 1400 T on Seattle Craigslist for $9700 with a little over 10000 miles on it. It's very well equipped with the big touring box, and corbin heated seat. I've got the same stuff on mine, for almost $20000 when I bought it.
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I don't own one or desire to but I do have advice if you like them... TEST RIDE.. tell the owner your serious but need at least 30 hours minutes seat time..
30 mins wouldn't be within a bull's roar of being long enough would it FG ?
You'd think anything is comfortable under 4 hours.
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Add my wife as no longer rides we are talking 350 pounds less than I�m use to.
In ISOLATION that's a really scary sentence. :shocked:
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In ISOLATION that's a really scary sentence. :shocked:
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The pleasing sound is half the reason why I ride.
I do not think electric motorcycles will fulfill the satisfaction that a regular motorcycle gives.
The shifting gears, the vibration, and the sound all contribute to a very enjoyable motorcycle experience.
It seems like a great deal for a great bike.
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I went through a 200 rear Metzler in about 5400 hot summer miles. I was out of town when cord started showing and all I could find was a 180/65 to replace it with. I ain't going back to the 200. The 180 makes the big girl handle even better (as you would expect).
Great bike, I also have a Stelvio, but the Cali gets the nod for 2 up touring. My Cali also has the large tourpak on the back.
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I bought a California Touring last year. I'll repeat what everyone else said. It's kind of a pig to push around the garage. The controls are forward and take a little getting used to. The windshield buffets my helmet over 60mph but shimming out the bottom is supposed to help. On the plus side the bike has a ton of torque barely off idle. I think it shifts well and I also think it handles great for such a big bike. It's very comfortable two up. I have Mistral exhausts on mine. With the DB killers out it rattled nearby windows. It was fun for a while but eventually I put them in and while it's still loud, the bike isn't obnoxious and it runs a lot better.
When you test ride it make sure the throttle is in Tourismo mode. Veloce is miserable around town and might give you the impression the bike has fueling issues. It doesn't but IMHO Veloce is a little too aggressive for what the bike is. I also keep the traction control in the least intrusive setting.
Test ride it. Maybe you'll like it and maybe you won't. Regardless, it's always great to try a bike you've never ridden before and it sounds like if you do like it there's a good deal to be had on it. Good luck.
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With regards to the wind buffeting, I had it as well and for me, the biggest difference was with the lower deflectors. I watch these old Harley dudes with their long gray beards blowing up from the bottom behind their RK shields and got the hint. I also have an MRA X-screen touring on top of my stock screen. I will concede it's not the most attractive solution, but functional......... .yeah! My wife noticed the biggest difference with the X-screen, I noticed the lowers. About 3 bills for the set, so take that into consideration.
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The last three post gave me some answers to questions I had in my mind.
On the wind issue one of you guys addressed. I like to look throw windshield not over, old motor cop style, I’m 5, 10” will I need a taller shield? Also on the lowers issue. Are there lowers available from guzzi or will I need to use Harley fork wind deflectors like I modified to fit my Calvin, they work great and only cost 60 bucks!
Also I’ve noticed from pictures of the 1400 that some cone with backrest that can’t be removed. Some come with backrest luggage rack combination and some with neither. Personally I like a removable backrest and rack. The one I’m looking at appears to be a backrest only and built into the grabrail. I would prefer to be able to remove the back rest as 98% of my ridding will be solo.
Your thoughts and information on these subjects would be great!
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I went through a 200 rear Metzler in about 5400 hot summer miles. I was out of town when cord started showing and all I could find was a 180/65 to replace it with. I ain't going back to the 200. The 180 makes the big girl handle even better (as you would expect).
Great bike, I also have a Stelvio, but the Cali gets the nod for 2 up touring. My Cali also has the large tourpak on the back.
That’s interesting on the tire issue as I was thinking the 200 series is more costly. So it’s safe to assume the 180 is acceptable and the tire height is about the same as not to throw off the speedometer?
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As a point of comparison, I was always looking just over the windshield on my EV. I'm just looking over the one on the 1400 as well. For my preferences, it is perfect.
I have the exact same one that comes on the Touring, although the Eldo does not come with one so I needed to add it.
I don't know if the shield on the Vintage is taller/shorter/same as the EV's, but I know it's a different style.
How ever many mentioned the "lowers", I second or third or whatever, what they said. They actually bring some air up behind and help with the low pressure. It didn't completely eliminate the buffeting, but it is tolerable. I have a modular helmet, and ride with the visor open, barring bad weather. It stays there just fine except for the big truck coming by stirring up the air flow. (Usually oncoming.) There is more I could do if I wanted. I bought an extension curved piece that I have as yet to put on due to its lack of aesthetic value. Having ridden a bike so equipped, was fantastic. Nice calm air. It really doesn't look that bad, I just cant decide to put it on since it isn't bad the way it is now.
This is what I got: http://www.laminarlip.com/california.php
John Henry
edit: I'm keeping a close eye on the weather as I near departure day for Cedar Vale. Depending on the forecast, I still might stick the laminar lip on. Don't know????
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The pleasing sound is half the reason why I ride.
I do not think electric motorcycles will fulfill the satisfaction that a regular motorcycle gives.
The shifting gears, the vibration, and the sound all contribute to a very enjoyable motorcycle experience.
It seems like a great deal for a great bike.
Well put, Scott! :grin:
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I have googled and cannot find any site that offers the accessories for the 1400 tourer. I’m pretty sure if I buy the 1400 I’m going to want a taller windshield and fork wind deflectors like I have on my CalVin. I can’t find nothing. I called the only dealer 100 miles from my location and ask about available accessories for the 1400 and was told they didn’t show them on their website and the only way to view them was to come to the dealership. What a crock of bull$#|+ !!
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Harpers offers the Swany fairing with choice of shield height. Friend has one on his 15 Cal Tour and loves it.
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You will find the 14 accessories here Dan.
https://www.af1racing.com/store/ProdImages/st3/mgaccy.pdf
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That�s interesting on the tire issue as I was thinking the 200 series is more costly. So it�s safe to assume the 180 is acceptable and the tire height is about the same as not to throw off the speedometer?
The speedo difference is negligible 200/60 is 120 mm sidewall, the 180/65 is 117 mm. I have not noticed a big difference in the accuracy of my speedo relative to the GPS. And the tire selection goes up HUGE!
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The speedo difference is negligible 200/60 is 120 mm sidewall, the 180/65 is 117 mm. I have not noticed a big difference in the accuracy of my speedo relative to the GPS. And the tire selection goes up HUGE!
Excellent information!! The tire cost of the 200 series tires are quite sufficient!
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I realize I�m that guy who gets the wagon before horse but unless some unforeseen happening breaks the deal I�m going to be the proud owner of a 2015 California Touring SE. I already know from talking to a couple guys here that have these bikes, that the OEM windshield is not going to work for me as I look through a shield and not over it. I connected with a company in Canada that deals in the factory accessories for MG. Sit down before I tell you guys the price of an oversized factor MG shield for the 1400, ready, 630.00 US DOLLARS and no that does not include brackets. Now the good news. When I got my calvin I ordered a two inch taller windshield from CLEARVIEW WINDSHIELDS which bolted right on and has preformed great for 2 years. Great tough hard to scratch shield. I paid 150 bucks for it. I contacted them today and was told they have just completed the making of a windshield for the 1400 tourer and will be available for order in a couple days. There is no price available as of today however the owner said it should of a small increase, if any, over the shields for the vintage. The best of my memory 2� taller shield was around 150.00 and the 3� taller 2� wider and tented shield was 200.00 bucks. Give them a call and ask for Lance and tell em NC Dan recommended them. Maybe I�ll get a discount 😂
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I realize I�m that guy who gets the wagon before horse but unless some unforeseen happening breaks the deal I�m going to be the proud owner of a 2015 California Touring SE. I already know from talking to a couple guys here that have these bikes, that the OEM windshield is not going to work for me as I look through a shield and not over it. I connected with a company in Canada that deals in the factory accessories for MG. Sit down before I tell you guys the price of an oversized factor MG shield for the 1400, ready, 630.00 US DOLLARS and no that does not include brackets. Now the good news. When I got my calvin I ordered a two inch taller windshield from CLEARVIEW WINDSHIELDS which bolted right on and has preformed great for 2 years. Great tough hard to scratch shield. I paid 150 bucks for it. I contacted them today and was told they have just completed the making of a windshield for the 1400 tourer and will be available for order in a couple days. There is no price available as of today however the owner said it should of a small increase, if any, over the shields for the vintage. The best of my memory 2� taller shield was around 150.00 and the 3� taller 2� wider and tented shield was 200.00 bucks. Give them a call and ask for Lance and tell em NC Dan recommended them. Maybe I�ll get a discount 😂
Super, and good to know. Are they under Clearview on the interwebs?
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Super, and good to know. Are they under Clearview on the interwebs?
1-970-223-2301 I have been dealing with a feller, Lance, you may have to leave a number but they will call you back.
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I have the windshield lowers which dropped 75% of the buffet and the Laminar Lip $84, which you can spend a few miles playing with, to get an excellent pocket of clean air. I love this bike.
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Good grief, for $630.00 there should be brackets and a tech to drop by your house to install it!
John Henry
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I'll make a comment on the windshield from the perspective of my EV.
I purchased the bike with Plexifairing 3. This one had lowers on it and it was marvelous. Worked great.
Alas, the PF3 broke in two due to a crack and a direct replacement was no longer available. So I purchased a Plexifairing 2, very similar but no lowers. That one just buffeted terribly. I was able to mitigate it my raising it to the max and sloping it to the max. It's acceptable but not nearly as good as the PF3.
If I were to do it again, I'd get the current PF3 and take a hairdryer and hacksaw to it and make it fit the EV.
But now, I might add lowers to my PF2 given from what I have learned here.
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I'll make a comment on the windshield from the perspective of my EV.
I purchased the bike with Plexifairing 3. This one had lowers on it and it was marvelous. Worked great.
Alas, the PF3 broke in two due to a crack and a direct replacement was no longer available. So I purchased a Plexifairing 2, very similar but no lowers. That one just buffeted terribly. I was able to mitigate it my raising it to the max and sloping it to the max. It's acceptable but not nearly as good as the PF
If I were to do it again, I'd get the current PF3 and take a hairdryer and hacksaw to it and make it fit the EV.
But now, I might add lowers to my PF2 given from what I have learned here.
I had the exact same setup on my 04 EV, the PF3 however the updraft wind in my face did not stop until I installed the fork wind deflectors. This is what completely stops updraft and creates that calm air space. On my Calvin I modified a set of Harley fork deflectors by turning them around backwards to put them behind the useless running lights which there is not enough power to pull.
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Good luck on the test ride tomorrow :bike-037:
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The little sub-conscious voice on your shoulder "this is going to be awesome"........... it's right!
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She’s mine all mine, now how to figure out how all this stuff works, y’all ready for the questions to roll as I can’t read the tiny print in the manual :(
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She�s mine all mine, now how to figure out how all this stuff works, y�all ready for the questions to roll as I can�t read the tiny print in the manual :(
As expected! :thumb:
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She�s mine all mine, now how to figure out how all this stuff works, y�all ready for the questions to roll as I can�t read the tiny print in the manual :(
LOL, hands on. I bought mine last year this time, after messing with things it will come to you. The ride modes are controlled with the start button after the bike is running, that's a leap of faith the first time.
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For a small fee, we'll tell you how to turn on the cruise control. You have to have a slight breeze out of the North at 4.2 miles per hour and then........... :evil:
John Henry
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Lol, you guys are so much help ;). With the assistance of wife and my buddy, John in VT, I got about half of the electronics figured out. The use of the starter button would have been impossible to figure out on ones own. Best I can figure at this time, the Touring mapp will be my full time mapp and the first traction setting will be fine and my 50+ ridding years experience should fill in the gaps.
The power this things has, places it in the BEAST category, unfricking real!! Smooth beyond goldwing class, quite, and feels nimble, even at slow parking lot speeds with feet on the boards like in police training. I didn�t get to ride much today but I�ll keep erbody posted as I take rides. I had planed to keep the Calvin for a while to be sure I�ll like the 1400 enough to keep it but I�m pretty sure it�ll go on the market soon. Keep your ears open for someone who may be in the market for a low mileage 07 calvin.
Thanks for all the responses, advice, guidance and support guys. Y�all a bunch of gentleman and scholars l!!!! :)
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So which half ya still workin' on??
John Henry
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So which half ya still workin' on??
John Henry
I’m getting some numbers on the dashboard that’s in kM’s and I have no idea what they are referring to. I gave the trip meter, average mpg active mpg, volt meter, clock, all in US mode. Then the two KM readings. ??
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Congrats ! It's one of those bikes you have to ride to believe. One piece of advice, take advantage of those big front brakes. I made the mistake of relying too much on the rear because of the nice big pedal and because it is the first big bike I owned with a rear brake that actually works well. Anyhow I wore the rear pads out very quickly . Keep an eye on the rear pads, if they wear down enough the caliper pistons can cock and stick in the bores and your rear brake will be locked up. Don't ask how I know. :laugh
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Lol, you guys are so much help ;). With the assistance of wife and my buddy, John in VT, I got about half of the electronics figured out. The use of the starter button would have been impossible to figure out on ones own. Best I can figure at this time, the Touring mapp will be my full time mapp and the first traction setting will be fine and my 50+ ridding years experience should fill in the gaps.
The power this things has, places it in the BEAST category, unfricking real!! Smooth beyond goldwing class, quite, and feels nimble, even at slow parking lot speeds with feet on the boards like in police training. I didn�t get to ride much today but I�ll keep erbody posted as I take rides. I had planed to keep the Calvin for a while to be sure I�ll like the 1400 enough to keep it but I�m pretty sure it�ll go on the market soon. Keep your ears open for someone who may be in the market for a low mileage 07 calvin.
Thanks for all the responses, advice, guidance and support guys. Y�all a bunch of gentleman and scholars l!!!! :)
told you so :grin:
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Lol, you guys are so much help ;). With the assistance of wife and my buddy, John in VT, I got about half of the electronics figured out. The use of the starter button would have been impossible to figure out on ones own. Best I can figure at this time, the Touring mapp will be my full time mapp and the first traction setting will be fine and my 50+ ridding years experience should fill in the gaps.
The power this things has, places it in the BEAST category, unfricking real!! Smooth beyond goldwing class, quite, and feels nimble, even at slow parking lot speeds with feet on the boards like in police training. I didn�t get to ride much today but I�ll keep erbody posted as I take rides. I had planed to keep the Calvin for a while to be sure I�ll like the 1400 enough to keep it but I�m pretty sure it�ll go on the market soon. Keep your ears open for someone who may be in the market for a low mileage 07 calvin.
Thanks for all the responses, advice, guidance and support guys. Y�all a bunch of gentleman and scholars l!!!! :)
Knew you would love it, and the 1400 with a Calvin is the perfect pair! Ride safe you'll love it more and more.
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Lol, you guys are so much help ;). With the assistance of wife and my buddy, John in VT, I got about half of the electronics figured out. The use of the starter button would have been impossible to figure out on ones own. Best I can figure at this time, the Touring mapp will be my full time mapp and the first traction setting will be fine and my 50+ ridding years experience should fill in the gaps.
The power this things has, places it in the BEAST category, unfricking real!! Smooth beyond goldwing class, quite, and feels nimble, even at slow parking lot speeds with feet on the boards like in police training. I didn�t get to ride much today but I�ll keep erbody posted as I take rides. I had planed to keep the Calvin for a while to be sure I�ll like the 1400 enough to keep it but I�m pretty sure it�ll go on the market soon. Keep your ears open for someone who may be in the market for a low mileage 07 calvin.
Thanks for all the responses, advice, guidance and support guys. Y�all a bunch of gentleman and scholars l!!!! :)
Congrats! But PLEASE try out VELOCE mode! You will never go back. It makes Turismo look tame.
Pics, please! :gotpics:
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I find veloce too sensitive for my taste.
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Dan, is your Cal Vin a black or a white model?
I'm, uh, just asking for a friend... :wink:
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Dan, is your Cal Vin a black or a white model?
I'm, uh, just asking for a friend... :wink:
Black, 12,000 miles, minstrel Hpipe, tall windshield, guzzi matching tail trunk, custom all day ride saddle, Beetle map, no cosmetic issues, near mint condition.
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Congrats! But PLEASE try out VELOCE mode! You will never go back. It makes Turismo look tame.
Pics, please! :gotpics:
The Touring mode is a monster. I’m afraid if the sport mode is even stronger I won’t get 4000 miles out of the rear tire. This thing will pull you off the seat even in 3 rd WOT.
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Update:
I did get all the electronics figured out on a 50 mile ride today. I finally got the cruise control to work and it works well. The way I got it to come on is not to press in in the middle of the button but to press it at either 3,6,9, or twelve, I the button and it came right on. Everything works like clock work.
I did notice that while in the sunlight today I noticed there had been a little water that has gotten into the unit at some time as I could see water runs on the backside of the glass. Anyone else had water to get into the unit?
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Update:
I did get all the electronics figured out on a 50 mile ride today. I finally got the cruise control to work and it works well. The way I got it to come on is not to press in in the middle of the button but to press it at either 3,6,9, or twelve, I the button and it came right on. Everything works like clock work.
I did notice that while in the sunlight today I noticed there had been a little water that has gotten into the unit at some time as I could see water runs on the backside of the glass. Anyone else had water to get into the unit?
Very efficient and fairly easy fix for the cruise control. Took about 45 minutes and made the cruise so much easier to work.
I posted as Don Bowen on guzzitech http://www.guzzitech.com/forums/threads/cruise-control-issue.17540/#post-133134
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I have had a little fogging but I had ridden through a torrential downpour for several hours by then.
As for the CC, you have to hold it in for 4 or 5 seconds to start with.
So what was the dash thing you mentioned?
John Henry
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I have had a little fogging but I had ridden through a torrential downpour for several hours by then.
As for the CC, you have to hold it in for 4 or 5 seconds to start with.
So what was the dash thing you mentioned?
John Henry
If you run the daytime running light only then the light can fog up, not enough heat to drive out the moisture. No, the thing is not water proof. The fix is easy enough, run the headlight.
AND, the cost of more tires is well worth the extra grins in VELOCE mode!
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If you run the daytime running light only then the light can fog up, not enough heat to drive out the moisture. No, the thing is not water proof. The fix is easy enough, run the headlight.
AND, the cost of more tires is well worth the extra grins in VELOCE mode!
I’ll definitely try the sport mode when I get the nerve,lol. Do you run it in that mode all the time and what would be the pro and cons in just leaving it there?
As far as the lights, I still trying to figure out now to coordinate the two different light switches.
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I�ll definitely try the sport mode when I get the nerve,lol. Do you run it in that mode all the time and what would be the pro and cons in just leaving it there?
As far as the lights, I still trying to figure out now to coordinate the two different light switches.
I use Veloce almost all the time — much more lively feeling.
The headlight switch on the right grip just turns the headlight on/off. When it is off the running light LEDs switch from merely decorative to super bright.
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I use Veloce almost all the time � much more lively feeling.
The headlight switch on the right grip just turns the headlight on/off. When it is off the running light LEDs switch from merely decorative to super bright.
Engaged the veloce mode today. I don’t think I need that much instant power to the rear wheel but it’s good to have in the event a crochet rocker need a spanking;)
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Engaged the veloce mode today. I don�t think I need that much instant power to the rear wheel but it�s good to have in the event a crochet rocker need a spanking;)
Believe me, they need a spanking. Thus, Veloce mode.
LOL glad you like it, I dig it for sure. Gonna take my 1400 Eldorado out for a nice long lap tomorrow.
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but it’s good to have in the event a crochet rocker need a spanking;)
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I think my grandma used to crochet in a rocker.
Unless there are now old Rockers who crochet?
But either way WHY would you spank them? (even if they wanted it)?
I'm so confused...
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If you run the daytime running light only then the light can fog up, not enough heat to drive out the moisture. No, the thing is not water proof. The fix is easy enough, run the headlight.
AND, the cost of more tires is well worth the extra grins in VELOCE mode!
Thought Dan was referring to the gauge cluster. I don't recall noticing fog in the headlight. Might have been, just wasn't paying attention.
A note on the DRL's though. Once you turn on the headlight, they dim a bit. When they are on bright, as in headlight off, they are very conspicuous to other drivers. I decided some time ago to use those during the day simply because I think they are more noticeable, but that's just my opinion. Others may disagree.
I tend to use Veloce only when I need a more crisp throttle and I think it gives a bit more engine braking as well. For general every day stuff, Tourismo is fine with me. I can count on one hand how many times I have used rain mode, but maybe it would be a good thing to use under the right circumstances.
John Henry
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I think my grandma used to crochet in a rocker.
Unless there are now old Rockers who crochet?
But either way WHY would you spank them? (even if they wanted it)?
I'm so confused...
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The advent and helpfulness of the Spell Checker has changed our world, that's for sure ... !!
Lannis
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Dan, glad to hear you got the 1400, sounds like you are really going to enjoy it.
Will be looking forward or seeing you and the bike on Tuesday if all goes well..
Ride safe
Earl.
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I think my grandma used to crochet in a rocker.
Unless there are now old Rockers who crochet?
But either way WHY would you spank them? (even if they wanted it)?
I'm so confused...
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LMBO, I’m going to have to start reading my comments before hitting the SEND button. Maybe I should have attempted to say ROAD KING;)
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LMBO, I�m going to have to start reading my comments before hitting the SEND button. Maybe I should have attempted to say ROAD KING;)
Where would be the fun in that? :grin:
John Henry
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LMBO, I�m going to have to start reading my comments before hitting the SEND button. Maybe I should have attempted to say ROAD KING;)
That wouldn't have helped. It would have ended up as TOAD BLING and there would have been a really ugly picture to go with that .... !
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Thought Dan was referring to the gauge cluster. I don't recall noticing fog in the headlight. Might have been, just wasn't paying attention.
A note on the DRL's though. Once you turn on the headlight, they dim a bit. When they are on bright, as in headlight off, they are very conspicuous to other drivers. I decided some time ago to use those during the day simply because I think they are more noticeable, but that's just my opinion. Others may disagree.
I tend to use Veloce only when I need a more crisp throttle and I think it gives a bit more engine braking as well. For general every day stuff, Tourismo is fine with me. I can count on one hand how many times I have used rain mode, but maybe it would be a good thing to use under the right circumstances.
John Henry
I was talking about the dashboard. In the right light you can see what appears to be water runs on the glass. I hope water can�t and don�t get in there due to electronics. Maybe something from the factory.
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That wouldn't have helped. It would have ended up as TOAD BLING and there would have been a really ugly picture to go with that .... !
Lol lannis, Kev always holds me accountable. He’s one of my, go too guys, when I need advice and it’s always well researched when he responds. I ask him one time about going to the Minstral H- pipe and spelled it MENSTRAL, wow, you should have seen the response I got for that one😂 wish I could remember but it was some time before either of us could get our composure back and get back to the subject at hand. Got to love some of these guys:)
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LMBO, I’m going to have to start reading my comments before hitting the SEND button. Maybe I should have attempted to say ROAD KING;)
I know right, I type some doozies too. I go back and read my own texts or posts sometimes and I'm like I couldn't have been that funny if I was trying...
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Oh have I opened a can of worms.
Ive been ridding the 1400 since Thursday after it followed me home and there no doubt that it�s a fine well engineered machine of the latest Technology. It�s blessed with tremendous amounts of HP and torque, handles well and is as smooth as a goldwing. All that been said here�s my dilemma. I decided to ride the old CalVin today and in its own right, it�s a marvel of vintage old school raw fun that touches an old cyclist, right in the heart. I dare say and would bet good money, that this 1400 won�t hold a candle to the Calvin, on the dragons tail ( 180+ hairpin curves in the Smokey�s Mts in NC) both being ridden by professionals or idiots, whichever:) there are just times that modern technology just don�t fill that hole in a mans heart like things that are much simpler and raw.
A couple of the guys here were saying �keep them both � and I must say I�m leaning that way. Wife says I need to stay off this forum and stop listening to you Guzzi nuts before she leaves me:(
As a last thought..... I�m going to miss that lady😂
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And there it is.....
It seems like riding both allows you to more acutely recognize the admirable aspects of each in a way that doesn't happen when sticking to one or the other. I've been asked which one I would part with if I had to, and it's not as easy question to answer.
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Awesome!
Enjoy!
And yes... Both.
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First, congrats on the new bike! I love my Cali 1400 T and it gets about 80% of my annual miles. The other 20% goes to the old BMW oilhead that I just can't part with. The 1400 is better than the oilhead in almost every way: The oilhead is a little quicker through the curves. But if I sell it I'll get almost nothing, I've maintained it well so it should last as long as I can ride, and it might cost $300 per year in insurance / maintenance / tags. Does this story sound familiar? Just resign yourself to the fact that you're a two bike guy now. I mean, unless that perfect Stelvio / V7 / V9 comes along and makes you a 3 bike guy.
And if you have trouble deciding which one to ride on any given day, just set a schedule. The Beemer is my Friday bike and I always take the long way to work on Fridays.
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And if you have trouble deciding which one to ride on any given day, just set a schedule. The Beemer is my Friday bike and I always take the long way to work on Fridays.
I tend to mostly use a linear rotation to cycle through the cycles...
...I mean sometimes I don't WANT to ride the Ducati, but I do because I'm a responsible adult.
Or I'm reasonably a dolt, or something like that...
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And there it is.....
It seems like riding both allows you to more acutely recognize the admirable aspects of each in a way that doesn't happen when sticking to one or the other. I've been asked which one I would part with if I had to, and it's not as easy question to answer.
Do you just mean the bikes, or the lady as well???? :evil:
Tom
PS: again, keep all three or both if you can!
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Do you just mean the bikes, or the lady as well???? :evil:
Tom
PS: again, keep all three or both if you can!
Now that’s another whole can of worms 😜
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Do you just mean the bikes, or the lady as well???? :evil:
Much easier question.
Ladies come and go. Guzzis are forever.
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As much as I enjoy my 1400, it's not what I'd call fun around town. It's big and heavy. Riding downtown to get the Sunday paper or going to get a gallon of milk with it seems like using an Abhrams tank to swat a fly.
The 1400 is extremely competent at what it does and is a blast on longer rides but I'm seriously considering picking up one of the new Honda CB300R's or another TW200. Sometimes I just want to ride around for an hour on a really light, responsive bike rather than a beast of a thing. I also really, really enjoy tooling along 30-40 mph on gravel roads all day and frankly the 1400 sucks on gravel, IMHO. For me, the CalVin would have too much overlap with a 1400 but I can understand how getting off the 1400 and onto the 150lb lighter CalVin would feel very different.
I took my daughter's CT90 for a 40 mile ride Saturday and giggled like a simpleton the entire time. If the CalVin makes you do that, don't sell it. Swapping back and forth between the two for a month before deciding whether to sell the CalVin is a good idea and you'll have plenty of summer left to sell the CalVin at a decent price if that's what you decide. Just my .02
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As much as I enjoy my 1400, it's not what I'd call fun around town. It's big and heavy. Riding downtown to get the Sunday paper or going to get a gallon of milk with it seems like using an Abhrams tank to swat a fly.
The 1400 is extremely competent at what it does and is a blast on longer rides but I'm seriously considering picking up one of the new Honda CB300R's or another TW200. Sometimes I just want to ride around for an hour on a really light, responsive bike rather than a beast of a thing. I also really, really enjoy tooling along 30-40 mph on gravel roads all day and frankly the 1400 sucks on gravel, IMHO. For me, the CalVin would have too much overlap with a 1400 but I can understand how getting off the 1400 and onto the 150lb lighter CalVin would feel very different.
I took my daughter's CT90 for a 40 mile ride Saturday and giggled like a simpleton the entire time. If the CalVin makes you do that, don't sell it. Swapping back and forth between the two for a month before deciding whether to sell the CalVin is a good idea and you'll have plenty of summer left to sell the CalVin at a decent price if that's what you decide. Just my .02
Good advice John!