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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Thirtyaughtsix on April 23, 2018, 08:24:11 PM
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I've recently been looking these up and decided I want to know more about them. What can yall tell me about them? Are they old enough to where there's been books written about them or anything like that? Any good websites where I could get some good solid general information? I think I've fallen in love with them with how different of a bike they are, seeing one in person seems to have made me realize this
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Get yourself over to the Griso Ghetto and start reading. https://www.grisoghetto.com/ (https://www.grisoghetto.com/)
More information concentrated there and a bunch of folks who really know this bike. Main thing to watch for is the early 8-valve engine with flat tappets - must be upgraded to roller tappets before the engine self-destructs. After that it's mostly little Guzzi things to manage. Maybe the most iconic CARC model produced. Sold mine for a smaller V7 to save my back but wish I had the budget to keep it.
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If you go for one, get a 2013 or newer, they don't have the flat tappets issue. I purchased a new 16 in 2016 and its pretty much been reserved as my weekend Hooligan bike. Just about nothing that I've owned in 40 years of riding has had the character, uniqueness, soul and fun factor that the Griso has for local urban riding and short to medium type of trips. Its one of the most charismatic, unique and capable roadsters that I've ever ridden, with a little quirkiness thrown in. Tons of torque, pulls like a freight train and pushing this thing just a little, truly awakens the human sensory perceptions. Its one that I will keep until I no longer can ride.
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one F/S near me, not really interested but it has the Guzzitech treatment.. whats your take Roper?
why did the pipes turn so blue?
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https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ram/mcy/6569714668.html
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why did the pipes turn so blue?
They're titanium.
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I have to agree with what's already been said.
Couldn't resist getting a Griso just over a year ago as well as my V11 Sport, it just puts a grin on my face riding it.
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That's a good deal on the Minneapolis bike
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one F/S near me, not really interested but it has the Guzzitech treatment
Guzzitech full fueling upgrade with closed loop wide band O2 and PC V and programmer
Guzziech open filter
It'll be a fuel guzzling slug with an intake that makes a fatigue inducing raucous din.
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I thought so, thanks Beetle
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Yet another one tht’s Had the full treatment and then is immediately up for sale? What does that tell you?
Pete
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I do not currently own a Guzzi, but I like them and have ridden a few, and one is a shortlist contender for my next bike.
My last bike was a 1993 Ducati M900 Monster, which I bought new (at Sonny Angel's in San Diego -- he also sold Guzzis for many years). I rode that Duc for 24 years and 265K miles, until we got taken out by a hit-and-run minivan last October. I'm about fit to ride seriously again, and am looking to my next bike. Something I would be wanting to turn over 250K on in about the year 2040.
I want to aim a bit more to sport-touring than the M900 was. I could ride it 500-600 miles a day pretty easily, and rode it to 35 states plus parts of Canada and Mexico, but it wasn't really best suited for that.
My top contenders, of what I've tested so far, are: Ducati 939 SuperSport (the easy safe choice), Moto Guzzi Griso (grabs me every time I ride one, also the cheapest on my list), KTM 1290 SuperDuke (the gonzo choice), or Motus MST (the topshelf choice, but a bit of a risk).
PhilB
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Yet another one tht’s Had the full treatment and then is immediately up for sale? What does that tell you?
Pete
Just like my Norge. The epidemic is spreading into the hinterlands now. I thought it was just a So Cal thing. What a shame.
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To the OP, ride a Griso. I’ve owned many bikes over the years from many brands. The Griso is easily my favorite. If I could only have one bike for the rest of my life, Griso would be it. You can pay a lot more money for less bike.
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Howdy PhilB. Good to see you on WildGuzzi. I’ve followed your high mileage Ducati saga for several years.
Condolences on the loss of a tried and true friend. :sad:
If you are looking for Italian iron that has character and can rack up serious mileage, you have come to the right place. Guzzis can do that. And the valve adjustments are stupid simple.
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To the OP, ride a Griso. I�ve owned many bikes over the years from many brands. The Griso is easily my favorite. If I could only have one bike for the rest of my life, Griso would be it. You can pay a lot more money for less bike.
I would love to as financially dangerous as that may be, it'll probably seal the deal. I have an odd feeling of liking the bike but not knowing why, there's just something about it. And I would definitely buy newer, not trying to mess with any flat tappets.
I think more than anything this bike is choosing me, I may have chosen the 850T but I feel like this one is choosing me, it feels very reminiscent of when I was shopping for my guitar and found the one I liked, haven't bought a guitar since
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Yet another one tht�s Had the full treatment and then is immediately up for sale? What does that tell you?
Pete
Oh, I dunno..
Let me guess.
That they're no bloody good no matter how much money you throw at them..?
Just a guess. :evil:
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Huzo, throwing money at a Griso works a treat. You just need to throw it in the right direction.
:laugh:
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Maybe I'll let Huzo ride my bike tomorrow, that'll fix him. Then he won't want to ride his any more. Or he'll plague Pete until he sells him the 1200 donk out of his Stelvio. LOL.
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I have a '07 1100 2 valve with 50,000+ miles. Right now it's torn apart. I'm doing the swingarm bearing grease, driveshaft spline grease, new rear brake pads, oil, valve adjustment and spark plug service. Then it needs another set of tires. Call it $550 for parts.
The only real problems I've had is a oil sending unit (< $40) and an electrical short in the fuel pump ($10 in fuses to diagnose).
The 10,000 mile service takes me less time to do than just driving to the local dealer. who is relatively close
I keep looking at shocks & springs but at $1800 or so for front & rear it's probably not going to happen. I've spent to many years riding mountain bicycles / road bicycles with no suspension offroad to stay seated. I normally "lift" my arse off the saddle over bumps and I'd rather put the money toward another bike.
My longest time in the saddle is 13 hours in one day.
I don't want or need the 4v as the 1100 is plenty quick enough for me.
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Huzo, throwing money at a Griso works a treat. You just need to throw it in the right direction.
:laugh:
As if I had any doubt !
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Maybe I'll let Huzo ride my bike tomorrow, that'll fix him. Then he won't want to ride his any more. Or he'll plague Pete until he sells him the 1200 donk out of his Stelvio. LOL.
I wouldn't subject you to my old thing.
We've been getting on well up 'till now.
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The huge Achilles heel of the Norge�s and Sports is their forks. Sure they are comfortable but if you want to push the envelope? Well, fleabay is full of much, much better kit that can be made to fit for pennies.....
Just sayin.....
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The huge Achilles heel of the Norge�s and Sports is their forks. Sure they are comfortable but if you want to push the envelope? Well, fleabay is full of much, much better kit that can be made to fit for pennies.....
Just sayin.....
I was a Postie from 1978 to 2013...
I've pushed enough envelopes.
Conservatively 400,000 k's on CT 110 Hondas.
I had an MV Augusta SPR for a while and the rock hard ride gave me the screaming shits.
The so called soft front end isn't what stops me going faster.
I just get too scared... :embarrassed:
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I purchased my 15 as a zero miles leftover first week of 17
It's a daily rider put about 16 thousand plus km on it only trouble was a foggy speedo and worn stitching on the saddle both replaced
Under warranty, by far the best mc I've owned by far
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I keep looking at shocks & springs but at $1800 or so for front & rear it's probably not going to happen. I've spent to many years riding mountain bicycles / road bicycles with no suspension offroad to stay seated. I normally "lift" my arse off the saddle over bumps and I'd rather put the money toward another bike.
Traxxion in Atlanta re-sprung and re-valved my rear shock for less than $400. I think they will do the other end for about the same, but I don't have many complaints about the front. They know the Sachs.
As for the Griso, well I lusted after them when they first came out in 2007. My wife rides with me and a Griso doesn't make for a happy pillion so I had to wait until I could afford a "luxury item" like a second bike. When I finally got mine it didn't disappoint and it's found its forever home in my garage.
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I have a '07 1100 2 valve with 50,000+ miles. I don't want or need the 4v as the 1100 is plenty quick enough for me.
I, too am enamored with it's visual appeal and the accolades it receives in this forum. I saw an '07 red version with LOW miles for sale near me as a trade-in for a Harley, listed for only $3900. a 2V would be fine for me, but I don't think I'll see one at that price with that low miles again.
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I, too am enamored with it's visual appeal and the accolades it receives in this forum. I saw an '07 red version with LOW miles for sale near me as a trade-in for a Harley, listed for only $3900. a 2V would be fine for me, but I don't think I'll see one at that price with that low miles again.
Except for the one SLDMRossi just posted for sale in Gainesville. Grrrrrrrrrr
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OP, I don't think it's been mentioned above - I find the Griso a fine bike for touring, too. Just get a little luggage rack, strap on a suitable bag, and you're good to go for a loooong ride. Get some wind protection.
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Ride one. One that hasn’t been futzed about with by someone who hasn’t got a clue how to tune one. If there is one thing that is guaranteed to put off potential owners of any W5AM Guzzi it’s riding one that is poorly or incorrectly tuned. Incidentally there has never been an easier motorbike to tune so I can’t for the life of me understand how certain people can get it so wrong.
Be aware that Griso doesn’t speak to everyone. That’s fine but if he does speak to you you will probably have a bike for life. It is an amazingly versatile motorbike and can be adjusted to fit most people if they aren’t happy with the original ergonomics. Most common criticisms being the bars being too wide and the pegs being a bit high.
To those of us who are Griso tragics the fact is we’ve probably spent far more on modifications than we need too as the stock bike is pretty damn good but I’ve been developing my 8V for a decade and rode an 1100 for two years before that. The list of mods is extensive but the underlying heart of the bike remains essentially unchanged. The 1100, indeed even the 850’s, are superb motorcycles. It’s just that the 8V offers much *More* fun. The only real ‘Elephant in the Corner’ is the flat tappet fiasco that affected pre-mid 2012 8V models. That and the absence of grease in swingarm and shock linkage bearings are the only real bugbears to ownership. The first can be avoided by simply buying a 2013 on model and the latter requires a couple of hours work to rectify.
Pete
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Truly a great bike.
IMO, the 4 valve motor better suits the 'thug' nature of the bike. I wouldn't like mine near as much if it had the same motor as my Norge. Yes the 4V is slower, yes it has less power and a lower redline, yes it's older Tech, but I just like it more.
That said, as others have mentioned head over to the ghettto, good Guzzi content in general, but mostly focussed on the Griso.
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I never thought much of the Griso until I took the time to look one over closely. Grows on you real fast. The owner was tripping 400 mile days without a problem, and that was beyond his regular comfort zone, so whatever...?
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Eric (who posted earlier) was good enough to entrust me with the future of his 8v Griso. It shares a garage with a Norge and a Stelvio, and definitely gets more than its share of use. Each of the bikes has its own charm and character, but the Griso is the go-to bike when the goal is sheer joy in riding with no other considerations.
Well, maybe one other consideration - if I want to draw an extraordinary number of compliments, the Griso is the machine to ride! :laugh:
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Howdy PhilB. Good to see you on WildGuzzi. I’ve followed your high mileage Ducati saga for several years.
Condolences on the loss of a tried and true friend. :sad:
If you are looking for Italian iron that has character and can rack up serious mileage, you have come to the right place. Guzzis can do that. And the valve adjustments are stupid simple.
Thanks. A good Griso is definitely among the top contenders. I know that the bike itself will last forever. Do we have any good feelings about Piaggio supporting the marque in the long term, though? Owning an orphan has its drawbacks.
PhilB
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I like my 1100 better than the 1200 I tried (admittedly with the early map). The latter just wound up too fast for me to enjoy the rush!
I've ridden mine long distances, out to the Rockies and back, for example. It's not a real touring machine, but it's comfortable enough I guess. I fitted two windshields, with the bigger one coming on and off over the smaller one as wind conditions dictated. Also an electronic cruise control, and reasonable luggage.
It is an incredibly beautiful, powerful design. When I return to it in a parking lot, I still can hardly believe I own it.
Moto
P.S. Grisisti don't need factory support. We make do.
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Thanks. A good Griso is definitely among the top contenders. I know that the bike itself will last forever. Do we have any good feelings about Piaggio supporting the marque in the long term, though? Owning an orphan has its drawbacks.
PhilB
Going from Ducati to Griso? I've ridden my brother's S2R 1000 back to back and they are quite different animals. I certainly know which one I prefer :thumb:
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I don't really have anything to add on the Griso, except that I would buy one in a heartbeat if I didn't need a house and a family car first. It is probably one of the only newer bikes that I would buy from Guzzi, I tried the 1200 sport in NZ and loved it, but I'm not sure I loved it enough to pay the price of it in Denmark.
First time I saw a Griso was this one in a German petrol station. I still think that is a killer paintjob!
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-Ulrik
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Well, in order to be fair- there should be another viewpoint. I'll take the heat for the following- I owned an 07 1100 and ended up having to do a LOT of work to it. It was a fun, if quirky ride. Good suspension. However, really odd ergos. The original build quality is pretty much shameful if you have to be honest. You can expect to have to fettle with things, refasten things that fall off, or tear some things completely apart. If you enjoy the tinkering, great. One thing is definite- the support network here on the forum is outstanding.
My last Guzzi was a 1200 sport. I thought it was a better overall machine than the Griso 1100 (heresy!). For the money, it was a fun bike. However, I wanted to sell it before the dash decided to crap out. I bought a BMW R1200R last year and it has been wonderful. I have all the tools and all the manuals...and haven't had to use them once.
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Have you ever loved a woman
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Well, in order to be fair- there should be another viewpoint. I'll take the heat for the following- I owned an 07 1100 and ended up having to do a LOT of work to it. It was a fun, if quirky ride. Good suspension. However, really odd ergos. The original build quality is pretty much shameful if you have to be honest. You can expect to have to fettle with things, refasten things that fall off, or tear some things completely apart. If you enjoy the tinkering, great. One thing is definite- the support network here on the forum is outstanding.
My last Guzzi was a 1200 sport. I thought it was a better overall machine than the Griso 1100 (heresy!). For the money, it was a fun bike. However, I wanted to sell it before the dash decided to crap out. I bought a BMW R1200R last year and it has been wonderful. I have all the tools and all the manuals...and haven't had to use them once.
I had a ride on a nice 2 VPC Griso in U.K.
Couldn't wait to get off the bastard.
Never knew how good my Norge was/is...
Pissy little tank, electric toaster hanging off one side, shithouse looking exhaust system, 4' wide 'bars, seat like a barn door, suspension like a John Deere combine harvester and slower than my Beetled/ Ropered Norge.
Other than that it was nice..!
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Have you ever loved a woman
Yes but it only happened once and it meant nothing.
In my defence, it was very cold and it was a survival thing.
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I've owned a 1200 Breva (Norge without fairing), 1200 Sport and a 1100 Griso all 2 valve motors.
They were all are/were excellent machines with very similar performance, so it all comes down to ergonomics which is best for the individual. In a ideal situation I would have a Norge and a Griso in the garage. The Griso would be for day to day use and the Norge for distance work.
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I'm sure these issues have been discussed before on this site somewhere, but I don't know where.
a) Are there any significant design or build flaws with the Grisos? I've heard about the valve tappet thing, and been told to get one after 2013. Anything else?
b) What are some of the best options for that gawdawful muffler?
c) What are some of the best options for bags? I don't need the full monty, just a decent pair of saddlebags would do nicely.
Thanks, all.
PhilB
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a.) The swingarm bearings and shock linkage need greasing, (See Cali 14 problems thread.). That's about it.
b.) Mistral Hi-Pipe is the best readily available pipe. Whatever you choose I suggest running it with the dB killer in.
c.) HB 'C-Bow' bags are popular and don't screw up the styling too much.
Pete
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Thank you!
PhilB
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C- Bow bags with Guzzi tail bag
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Sans bags
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I can�t add much to this thread that hasn�t been said already. I joked they should rerelease the Griso and call it The Roper cause Pete is such a go to guy on all this stuff. It�s one of the most gorgeous bikes ever manufactured IMHO.
The first 8V Griso (�15) I owned didn�t light any kind of fire for me. I stuck Onur�s risers on it, saddlebag racks, peg lowers, barnish screen, ceramic coated the headers. Other money I threw at it but I can�t even recall all of it. It still hurt my back to tour on and still didn�t have enough leg room in my harsh assessment. I was shoving a lot of expectations upon it as I did with many bikes following the Griso even. I happily sold it to Rosso Woody on here.
Several years and many bikes later, I found a low mile �09 for peanuts on the dollar and decided I would try the Griso again, only this time I would just totally leave it as it is (minus fly screen and small tank bag). I told myself I would only ride it up to 80 miles or so a day so I couldn�t/wouldn�t whine about it hurting my compromised back. I made myself promise that if the bike started hurting me I would merely pull over, step off it a while, gaze upon it with loving eyes, and then get back on and proceed. You would not believe how incredibly much more I am enjoying the bike and am enamored with it since these things :thumb: :grin:
And it is a surprising motorcycle indeed. You can just ride it around town and it rewards you like any Goose will reward you. Nothing too spectacular or shocking, just totally stable, solid, and soulful; yet, get it into the 5k-8.5k rpm range and whoa boy you will be surprised and smiled for sure. I�ve owned some bikes with ooodles more horsepower and much greater top speeds and 1/4 times, but I seriously don�t know if I�ve owned anything that is that quick and charging in THAT mid to upper rpm range. :bike-037: