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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Smithy on June 02, 2018, 05:45:01 PM
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I have liked the look of the V9 Roamers since they were released and have always thought they would be a good around town bike. Now the Australian price has been lowered to where it should have started I am very tempted.
Sales dont seem to have taken off though in any market.
Anyone care to share their thoughts or any owners like to share your review?
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900cc small block. Remember what happened with the Ford T-bird? It started out small, like the V35, and got ridiculous. Now guzzi has made the small block huge. History might not always repeat itself, but it always rhymes.
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900cc small block. Remember what happened with the Ford T-bird? It started out small, like the V35, and got ridiculous. Now guzzi has made the small block huge. History might not always repeat itself, but it always rhymes.
Amen I don't mind not having excess HP but I want lighter not bigger
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There are a variety of reasons why the V9’s sell like rat sandwiches, tiny tank, weird ergos, stupid tyre sizes, lousy suspension and odd looks but the main reason is when anyone who isn’t a Guzzi tragic does a comparison between the V9 and other machines in the *Niche* market it is aimed at it is abundantly clear that the V9 offers considerably ‘Less’ in almost all ways than its competitors.
While some will say this is just my dislike of smallblocks, (Which in itself is a red herring, there are aspects of them that I really like.) this isn’t the case at all. John at Motocicolo in Sydney has had a demo on the floor since their launch several years ago and the last time I saw him it was still there hanging around like a stale bottle of DA. He said very few people had taken it for a test ride and those that had had come back with a bemused look on their faces and asked “Who would actually buy one of them?” And then rushed forthwith to the nearest Triumph dealership to purchase a Bonnie or some such.
The V7’s sell much better. Why? Well because they address at least some of the problems listed above and most importantly they *Look* right! They do after all have the facsimile of an early Sport/LeMans tank which was and remains a style icon rather than the V9’s rather odd looking pessary! You can also ride them as the ergonomics are good and for most people looks and comfort are very important.
Pete
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4,600 miles on my Roamer in the last 16 months. My Cali Custom gets most of the riding attention, so do not discount the the low mileage on the Roamer.
My enthusiasm about the Roamer has been on rolller coaster. Currently it is on the upswing. I have added the OEM rear sets and have replaced the stock handlebars and risers so the riding position differs significantly from stock.
I am convinced it is impossible to get less than 50 mpg out of the bike, regardless of how hard you ride it. Handling is similar to the last generation Triumph T100 Bonneville, not spectacular but adequate for most riding situations. It is great around town, it is not a canyon carver but is enjoyable in the curves if you do not push it to the limits. Performance is comparable to the aforementioned Triumph or a 1200 Sportster. Seat is ok for about 2 hours. I have owned a V7 and feel the V9 is a better motorcycle in every way.
I am looking to build out a lightweight touring bike as an alternative to my 700 lb Cali Custom. I love the Cali, but I am not a spring chicken, so I want to build out a sub 500 lb tourer. I had hoped the Roamer might be a good base to start with. Weight is correct, 450 lbs. Range is adequate, 180 miles. The Roamer will need a serious suspension update and a better seat. I have a number of Hepco-Becker CBow bags so I will add the mounts to the Roamer. I am thinking I will do this, just need to do the cost analysis vs the options.
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Sales don't seem to have taken off
Could a contributing factor be that motorcycle sales in general are declining? Apparently younger folks just aren't interested.
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They (V9s) seem to answer a question that was not asked..... :grin:
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They (V9s) seem to answer a question that was not asked..... :grin:
The Ducati Florida of our time.
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I don't know why they built both V7 and V9. I'd thought they would just convert most of the V7 line into the V9 line. Seems redundant to have both.
Same bike + better power
Now they are going to throw that 85HP small block in the mix. A lot to sort out. But why have anything but an 85?
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"Now they are going to throw that 85HP small block in the mix. A lot to sort out. But why have anything but an 85?"
Because people like me do not need 85 hp to have boatloads of fun.
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There are a variety of reasons why the V9�s sell like rat sandwiches, tiny tank, weird ergos, stupid tyre sizes, lousy suspension and odd looks but the main reason is when anyone who isn�t a Guzzi tragic does a comparison between the V9 and other machines in the *Niche* market it is aimed at it is abundantly clear that the V9 offers considerably �Less� in almost all ways than its competitors.
Pete
Well, in our German magazines the V9 has been compared to Sportster 1200 and Triumph Bobber a lot of times. And in each single case the Guzzi stood out favourably against it competitors. It was well-build with a lot of attention to details, and the ride was in each case absolutely the best. Of course the V7 III is the better ride, but people do not always by the better ride for obvious reasons. Otherwise everybody would ride Street Triple RS or Aprilia Tuono.
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Well, in our German magazines the V9 has been compared to Sportster 1200 and Triumph Bobber a lot of times. And in each single case the Guzzi stood out favourably against it competitors. It was well-build with a lot of attention to details, and the ride was in each case absolutely the best. Of course the V7 III is the better ride, but people do not always by the better ride for obvious reasons. Otherwise everybody would ride Street Triple RS or Aprilia Tuono.
Both bikes are an entry into a more extensive range which Guzzi simply doesn't have.
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There will be a more expensive range in the future. Will I buy a bike out of this range? I think not. Why not? Because my V 7 Stone is exactly the bike I want to own and to ride.
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Looks like a mini Harley to me which i hate. The tank is too futuristic looking , the seat looks horrible ,wheels look horrible and therefore i couldnt care less if its a good bike. I have never even read or watched a review because i just dont care. I love my V7 though.
Young guys are not buying bikes like they used to but seem to like 2 types. Sports bikes which Guzzi should steer clear of and Cafe/scramblers like the Triumph or Duke Scram. Why do they pick a Triumph over the V7? Thats what Guzzi should be asking.
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Sports bikes which Guzzi should steer clear of
In the words of an oxygen thief, plz explain?
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I honestly think it’s the tank. It’s like a turd in a punch bowl.
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Yeah, I can't wait to get a Roamer in five years with 1000 miles at 1/5 of the retail price...I'm doing the best I can to support the brand!.......... :popcorn: (snapping red suspenders)
I think it'll make a great smaller tourer...take the money you saved, build the seat and suspension, clear plexi shield out front, decent bags, your good to go...
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Does anyone have actual sales numbers to support the claim of poor sales?
I suppose all Guzzi bikes ever made could be "sales failures" if compared to Harley or Triumph etc. Sheesh.
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I’ve yet to see one on the road. Personal taste, but not an aesthetically attractive bike like the V7. No offence meant to owners.
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In the words of an oxygen thief, plz explain?
Because they cant compete against the rest of the sport bike market. They can in the retro market though. Naturally this is purely my opinion. there is a huge market in the cafe /scrambler style bikes but on paper and perhaps off the showroom floor the guzzis are not as good as their competition. The need a V7 1100 or something. Look at the range of Ducati Scramblers available and also the BMW Nine T bikes. Retro is selling .
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The need a V7 1100 or something.
The V85 motor will likely end up in a V7-styled bike -- hopefully :food:
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Because they cant compete against the rest of the sport bike market. They can in the retro market though. Naturally this is purely my opinion. there is a huge market in the cafe /scrambler style bikes but on paper and perhaps off the showroom floor the guzzis are not as good as their competition. The need a V7 1100 or something. Look at the range of Ducati Scramblers available and also the BMW Nine T bikes. Retro is selling .
Agree 100%. The V7's are honest machines. They're elegant little bikes that have a pedigree going back 50 years. Riding one is a choice that's a lot like deciding to wear a mechanical watch when everyone else is wearing quartz.
I find the V9 discordant with Guzzi's past and present. I understand why the company introduced them. The bobber thing is popular and they're trying to expand the product line but I believe they missed the mark and for me, the tank is just so goddamned ugly I could never own one.
A gentleman's express in the tradition of the Le Mans would make sense. The Griso and 8 valve Sport only got about 60% of the way towards one. The Norge is a fantastic bike. The Stelvio is a pig but if the V85 reality is as good as the buzz it'll also be very, very good indeed. My Touring has an incredible engine and it looks good but the handling could be a lot better. The more I ride it the less I like how it wants to wander in corners. I'm also not convinced the 1400 engine would be the best choice for a Le Mans tribute bike.
IMHO, thinking Guzzi can introduce a sportbike is sheer fantasy. The drivetrain is simply not suited to the role in the modern world. If they'd paid homage to their rich history, the way they have with the V7 line, and introduced a big block, gentleman's express Le Mans...I think it would sell. I'd certainly buy one. I'd buy a new one, without waiting 5 years for secondhand ones to start selling at a 30-50%% discount from new like I did my California. Of course, this is all just my opinion, which is worth just about nothing in the grand scheme of things.
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Pete...
DA..?
If they'd done a homage to the Le Mans', same orange/black, triple discs, stand off similar styling and called it a V8, no black on the motor/drive train, but dragged it kicking and screaming into this milenium, they'da sold much better.
At least they'd have sold one for sure..!
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Because they cant compete against the rest of the sport bike market.
All they need to do is flush the ancient platform they are hanging onto for sentimentally's sake and go back to been a engineering company like when they started out.
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Whether it's "possible" or not to have been able to produce an MGS 01 with a warmed up Griso donk or not, every sportsbike does not have to be the most powerful on the road.
If that was the case, there'd only be one sportsbike make/model registered.
If there were 50 MGS 01's and 50 Panigales in a super dealership and both were ready for the road, what would be the % spread between the two sales wise ?
If I were in that position, I wouldn't stop to take a leak on the Duke as I rode past on the Guzzi.
'Cos these days, if you're caught above 130 k's, you're gunna lose your bike here in Oz. The Guzzi has raw appeal the the perfumed Duke can't match.
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The V9 is a Nevada with a better pair of shoes, but it’s still a Nevada.
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...If that was the case, there'd only be one sportsbike make/model registered.
If there were 50 MGS 01's and 50 Panigales in a super dealership and both were ready for the road, what would be the % spread between the two sales wise ?....
Ride any new Ducati, other than the Scrambler, and you will answer your own question.
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New Panigale V4: 12,000 km (7,500 mi) / 12 months. Every 7,500 miles I have to take the bike and give the local dealer $1,000? OK. Granted, I’m not going to put a lot of miles on the bike, but.....
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Whether it's "possible" or not to have been able to produce an MGS 01 with a warmed up Griso donk or not, every sportsbike does not have to be the most powerful on the road.
In 2004 when the MGS came out and the 8valve griso didn't exist that may have been a thing 14years latter a clean slate design is the only way forward IMO instead of stop gap measures.
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The v9 is certainly not discordant with Guzzi past. The Nevada and other similar cycles sold only in Europe and elsewhere kept Guzy of float through much of the lien 80s and 90s. They sold a far more of these lovable work horses live they ever did any of Le Mans or even California models.
I find the bike kind of cool, and many of you ripping on it have yet to see one on the road. You might find it's not the abomination you think it is once you see one up close
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I�ve yet to see one on the road. Personal taste, but not an aesthetically attractive bike like the V7. No offence meant to owners.
After 5500 miles in the last 3 weeks on the road, I have seen 2 other Guzzis. So....
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I owned a Roamer, a ‘14 Stone, and a V7III Stone. Roamer got far more positive attention and compliments from cruiser folks and people who just admire motorcycles in general. The V7s got far more positive attention from motorcycle enthusiasts, Triumph owners, etc.
As per sales, depends on how you define sales failure. Anyone got numbers to show for here in the States? I would estimate not nearly as many V9s sold as V7s, but I just bet they’ve sold more V9s than they did CARC bikes on their last year of production. I don’t suspect Guzzi will keep them in the line very long, however, as I figure they were hoping it would take off like the V7 did.
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In NYC I see Guzzi's all the time(in season), at least every few days I see one being ridden or parked and they are not the same bike, but they are almost all V7's in various designs. Roamer's, never seen one on the road or parked.
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In NYC I see Guzzi's all the time(in season), at least every few days I either see one being ridden or parked and they are not the same bike, but they are almost all V7's in various designs. Roamer's, never seen one on the road or parked.
All the more reason I personally would want one. Can’t argue with subjectivity but I suppose I’m in the vast, vast minority here when IMHO my former Roamer is/was prettier than my V7s in the flesh, but then again, I think Sportsters are gorgeous. So...
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Slightly off topic. But Pete said he was not a total small block hater, and that there were aspects of them that he really liked.
I’m curious. What do you like about the small blocks, Pete?
FYI, I am stealing “rat sandwiches”. Did not get the stale DA thing.
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The v9 is certainly not discordant with Guzzi past. The Nevada and other similar cycles sold only in Europe and elsewhere kept Guzy of float through much of the lien 80s and 90s. They sold a far more of these lovable work horses live they ever did any of Le Mans or even California models.
I find the bike kind of cool, and many of you ripping on it have yet to see one on the road. You might find it's not the abomination you think it is once you see one up close
I’ve sat on one. Not my cup of espresso. It’s good that you like it though. Maybe when they’re on CL for 3k in a few years you’ll buy one?
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I�ve sat on one. Not my cup of espresso. It�s good that you like it though. Maybe when they�re on CL for 3k in a few years you�ll buy one?
Probably too much competition from the $2500 Guzzis on Clist now :rolleyes: :laugh:
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Ride any new Ducati, other than the Scrambler, and you will answer your own question.
That answer is a bit too glib.
The opportunity to put an MGS on the road does not exist so there is no choice to be made.
The suggestion is, that there'd be a considerable percentage that would break out of the mould and buy one.
Why would anyone buy a rattly old Griso as a "sports" bike when there are BMW 1000 RR's to be had and Aprilia RSV 1000's etc...
They buy the crappy old Guzzi, because they want a GUZZI...!
Every cashed up, Nike wearing, perfume laden hipster these days, rolls into Chapel St (trendy district), in Melbourne on warm Saturday evenings to show off their 4 year old, 2,500 km Panigale or Testastretta for a toss over a cappuccino while everyone fawns around.
The Guzzi is a sportsbike riders bike, they're more ballsy.
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The v9 is certainly not discordant with Guzzi past. The Nevada and other similar cycles sold only in Europe and elsewhere kept Guzy of float through much of the lien 80s and 90s. They sold a far more of these lovable work horses live they ever did any of Le Mans or even California models.
I find the bike kind of cool, and many of you ripping on it have yet to see one on the road. You might find it's not the abomination you think it is once you see one up close
Only reason it's cool is 'cos it's never started.
I'd sooner buy a lawnmower.
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I I likely won't buy one even for 3K. I test rode one when they first came out enjoyed it but I'm 66 and is just too small for me I go back-and-forth on at styling I just don't have a viceral dislike for it like some folks seem to. I agree I don't think it's a hot seller for Guzzi , but it is hard to figure out what they're selling but the V7 seems to move pretty well.
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I think a lot of the not so nice reviews has to do with us old goats not wanting to accept modern technology. I rode HD's shovels and pans forever still have them. Nobody in my group even liked the evo's when they came out. I'm all for ride what you like and enjoy. Everybody has there on opinion. That's what makes the world go round.
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I�m curious. What do you like about the small blocks, Pete?
FYI, I am stealing �rat sandwiches�. Did not get the stale DA thing.
Their light weight, compactness, flat torque curve and with the advent of the II their gearbox. What I can’t stand is their terrible suspension, forty year old frame design, barely adequate brakes, (HH pads sort that easy enough.) and pissy little MUIG 3 TB/ECU.
Oh, and DA was a horrible beer. Resches ‘Dinner Ale’. Nobody liked it so if you went somewhere where there was the option for a drink the DA always used to be ‘The last turkey in the shop’! :laugh:
Pete
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Against the wishes of my back and my accountant, you boys almost got me ready to buy another one. :thumb: :afro: :grin:
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My understanding was the Roamer and Bobber were build at the request of the UK distributor.
That said, the V7 just looks "proper" which is, I believe, a good portion of the sales success.
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Well said
They (V9s) seem to answer a question that was not asked..... :grin:
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Went for a ride today out to Writewood by the back way then came home on the Angeles Crest Highway. I stopped my Griso for a drink of water and to get rid of some water and saw a Stone, V9 and a Roamer whoosh past. First time I have ever seen so many Guzzis on the road at one time. They were moving along at a good clip too. Made my day...
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I really wanted to like the roamer but the revised foot peg position position placed my knees in direct contact with the heads.
And no, I'm not going to ride around with my knees splayed to clear the heads.
Had Guzzi skipped the rake, gave it good and taller suspension, and placed the pegs 8 inches aft, I'd have had a yellow roamer.
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I bought a V9 Roamer a couple of years ago when they became available. I see on this thread the words most associated with these bike are words such as lousy, stupid, ugly, ratty, crappy, discordant, and hate. These words surprise me because the V9 is just a little old 850 that breaks the mold a bit, but my oh my does it stir up the negativity. I get it - that’s the nature of chat sites.
As a long-time Guzzi owner/rider, mostly large block Calis, I must say my V9 has been a pleasure for me. I have about 30k miles on it and am just getting going on the summer riding season. I find my V9 to be a fine canyon carver, both corkscrews and sweepers. I also ride long distance for camping and rallying, and the bike has performed beautifully for me. It feels light, athletic, and peppy, with good torque all the way through. The V9 is no big block, as has been pointed out, and it will not win many races with its same size brethren of any badge. Fortunately for me I am not a racer; for me fun remains the key to my motorcycling experience. In that respect my V9 fits the bill. I find mine to be a fine all-rounder. Some hear that and interpret that to mean it does nothing well. For me this bike works on many levels. For a fellow like me, the pitiful V9 feels just right.
(https://thumb.ibb.co/ckY8Sd/9224_FC59_8_FFE_484_F_A7_D2_EBC4_F01_BACA2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ckY8Sd)
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The V85 motor will likely end up in a V7-styled bike -- hopefully
and vice-versa
I'd buy a Roamer with a V-7 motor … That little funky looking tank need help though !
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That said, the V7 just looks "proper" which is, I believe, a good portion of the sales success.
Exactly, so why not do what Triumph did with their Bonny 120 and not change too much of a good thing but just do a high power version thats a bit bigger. Ducati did the same with there Monster also. Actually thinking about it even the GS 650-800-1200 ,KTM 990-1290 and duke scrambler all look similar to each other within the range.
I have a problem that i would like a bigger bike for 2 up touring. The V7 is a little tight for us. If they did a bigger version i could have as a tourer and then "cafe" my 750 again like Triumph did then that could be perfect. The Bigger Guzzis i just dont like the look of and never have.
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I'm sure i won't win many friends, but, man you guys get really tiring.
Complain about everything Guzzi does; and buy a new Guzzi for anything Remotely close to msrp, not a chance.
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I bought a V9 Roamer a couple of years ago when they became available. I see on this thread the words most associated with these bike are words such as lousy, stupid, ugly, ratty, crappy, discordant, and hate. These words surprise me because the V9 is just a little old 850 that breaks the mold a bit, but my oh my does it stir up the negativity. I get it - that�s the nature of chat sites.
As a long-time Guzzi owner/rider, mostly large block Calis, I must say my V9 has been a pleasure for me. I have about 30k miles on it and am just getting going on the summer riding season. I find my V9 to be a fine canyon carver, both corkscrews and sweepers. I also ride long distance for camping and rallying, and the bike has performed beautifully for me. It feels light, athletic, and peppy, with good torque all the way through. The V9 is no big block, as has been pointed out, and it will not win many races with its same size brethren of any badge. Fortunately for me I am not a racer; for me fun remains the key to my motorcycling experience. In that respect my V9 fits the bill. I find mine to be a fine all-rounder. Some hear that and interpret that to mean it does nothing well. For me this bike works on many levels. For a fellow like me, the pitiful V9 feels just right.
(https://thumb.ibb.co/ckY8Sd/9224_FC59_8_FFE_484_F_A7_D2_EBC4_F01_BACA2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ckY8Sd)
I don’t think anyone said it was pitiful! They just said it was unpopular and listed reasons why that might be so! I for one am overjoyed you like your Roamer but most people, especially over here, won’t look twice at them and prefer the V7’s. That’s all.
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I'm sure i won't win many friends, but, man you guys get really tiring.
Complain about everything Guzzi does; and buy a new Guzzi for anything Remotely close to msrp, not a chance.
Im having a winge about them because i care. I love my Guzzi and want to see the company do well and continue to make desirable bikes. Desirable to non Guzzi people that is.
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I bought a V9 Roamer a couple of years ago when they became available. I see on this thread the words most associated with these bike are words such as lousy, stupid, ugly, ratty, crappy, discordant, and hate. These words surprise me because the V9 is just a little old 850 that breaks the mold a bit, but my oh my does it stir up the negativity. I get it - that�s the nature of chat sites.
As a long-time Guzzi owner/rider, mostly large block Calis, I must say my V9 has been a pleasure for me. I have about 30k miles on it and am just getting going on the summer riding season. I find my V9 to be a fine canyon carver, both corkscrews and sweepers. I also ride long distance for camping and rallying, and the bike has performed beautifully for me. It feels light, athletic, and peppy, with good torque all the way through. The V9 is no big block, as has been pointed out, and it will not win many races with its same size brethren of any badge. Fortunately for me I am not a racer; for me fun remains the key to my motorcycling experience. In that respect my V9 fits the bill. I find mine to be a fine all-rounder. Some hear that and interpret that to mean it does nothing well. For me this bike works on many levels. For a fellow like me, the pitiful V9 feels just right.
(https://thumb.ibb.co/ckY8Sd/9224_FC59_8_FFE_484_F_A7_D2_EBC4_F01_BACA2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ckY8Sd)
Looks great in yellow and with the bags.
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The original price here had it too close to the BMW nine T range and Triumph retros. Add in less dealers and funky styling and it was always going to struggle.
The fact there are hardly any on the road and not well known appeals to me.
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I agree with jackr.
If you've only seen a picture and/or not really ridden one for more than a 10 minute test, you don’t know the V9. (true for most bikes I’ve found)
In person it is much better looking for sure.
With aft pegs a much better seating position.
Great motor, better than the V7 imho and I have had 3......
IF you’re considering one, take a LONG ride or better yet, several rides.
If not your cup of tea, no worries but don't rain on others parades please.
Hey I still wave at scooters and Harley riders though so what do I know
RideOn!
inditx
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I'm sure i won't win many friends, but, man you guys get really tiring.
Complain about everything Guzzi does; and buy a new Guzzi for anything Remotely close to msrp, not a chance.
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But Chad, if Guzzi would have only built one specifically for me. :grin:
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If you've only seen a picture and/or not really ridden one for more than a 10 minute test, you don�t know the V9. (true for most bikes I�ve found)
IF you�re considering one, take a LONG ride or better yet, several rides.
If not your cup of tea, no worries but don't rain on others parades please
RideOn!
inditx
Probably a fair point..
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Weren’t the V9s designed in California?
Enough said.
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I'm sure i won't win many friends, but, man you guys get really tiring.
Complain about everything Guzzi does; and buy a new Guzzi for anything Remotely close to msrp, not a chance.
I purchased a new Rosso Corsa, Norge and tried to buy a new MGS/01 but the local dealer couldn't deliver the bike. Personally, I don't like the California series because of the styling and the size, I don't like the Roamer because of the styling and while I do like the V7 series it's not a bike I need right now given the big block Tonti's that I own, but if that changed I'd buy a new V7 because I like the styling.
The V7 series is their best seller and I understand why they tried the Roamer, but sales have not been brisk for that bike, so it's time to move on.
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V9 -- well not for me.
I'm just happy Guzzi keeps swinging away looking for the next "V-7".
I figure the V9 is a place holder until the V85 ADV comes out.
Then I have hope for a V85 "griso", "norge" and lemans with the new engine compatible with the Euro standards of the 2020's+
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Ride any new Ducati, other than the Scrambler, and you will answer your own question.
I own two (Ducatis) right now and have ridden many other current generation Ducati's. I don't have a clue what you are talking about.
NC
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I took a strong interest in the V9 about a year and a half ago and yet my first MG ever will be a new V7III stone that I pickup this Friday. A week from now I should be cruising around the Oregon cascades.
I like the looks of both the white and yellow V9 Roamer and can handle the larger price tag save for one thing. The fuel tank is too small. I am sure they need the bike to NOT look like a V7 but they could have kept the teardrop shape and still had it up to 5 gallons. Yeah I know gas stations aren't that far from one another but something about the 5+ gallons on a V7 and an EASY 200 mile range really sold me on the bike. I still might rather have the V9 but the tank is a deal killer. Even 4.5 gallons may have been okay but 15 liters? That is less than 4 gallons. Did they not get input from the US market before making this decision?
In addition, and at least on paper, the engine does not appear much stronger. I am sure the torque curve is much meatier in the 3,000 - 6,000 rpm range and will offer a lot more real world performance than the V7, but I have yet to ride one to find out. But since I am committed to the new V7 I don't want to find out I like the V9 better.
So if the V9 had a larger tank I probably would have pulled the trigger as I really like the white color scheme on the V9 Roamer. My new blue, V7III Stone still looks really sweet, and will look better when the red valve covers come in, but for now I'll pass on the Roamer.
I just checked the specs on both bikes. The V7 III is listed as having 60 nm torque and they don't even show the V9. That has to be because they are hiding something or at least not proud that at least numerically it doesn't look like much of an improvement. 65 nm may not be much of a peak increase but the curve may be much flatter and more usable.
NC
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In large part the v9 was never intended to be a highly sought bike by current Guzzi riders. Sure if they were to buy them that would be great, but the bike was intended to reach out to a market Guzzi has not tapped into well. The majority of the type of folks who post here, ride bigger miles, know exactly how and where they want to use their bike, aren't going to go nuts for a v9.
How well it has worked to get new riders on board the Guzzi train, that's a different question.
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I think it is very interesting that the bike with less displacement (the V7s) are more popular than the version with more cubes (the V9). Maybe change is afoot amongst the motorcycle buying public.
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The V9 Roamer/Bobber are dubious styling exercises meant to evoke a Harleyesque American "cruiser". As such, they fall far short of the authentic originals. And they are, to my eye, ugly. I can only imagine that these models were targeted at the American market, the only place in the world where - due to Harley's strong presence - cruisers are more than marginally appreciated. But even in the American cruiser-haven, these oddly-styled smallblocks seem to have generated little following.
Far more to the point are the V7's, with their attractive, inoffensive retro styling, excellent ergos and functionality (eg. 5+ gallon tank), a much more congenial use of the smallblock platform.
As for Pete's comment about the "barely adequate" brakes on the current smallblocks, I agree that braking capabilities seem to have taken a step backward on the modern smallblocks compared to the original V35-V50-V65 series, the latter all fitted with THREE disk brakes (a linked system plus an independent front disk), and significantly lighter in weight than the V7 smallblocks. (The V50 was listed as 356 lbs. dry.) The combination of less weight and more brakes results in very strong brake performance, even without ABS. I think it is regrettable that a similar linked system is not offered, even as an option, on the modern V7 series, which at 450+lbs, is rather porky for a single front disk.
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I like being on a bike that looks like no one else's, but I lack the skills and time to build one. Guzzi played right into my hands with the V9 Bobber. I have yet to see another one in the Bay Area.
I don't find the riding experience to be vastly different than the V7's I've owned. A little better in the city, a little worse on the open road. A little more aurally pleasing when rolling on the throttle but the results are about the same.
As an attention-getter, it's up there with my former Griso.
I expect to take a bath on resale but I have no plans to sell it unless I quit motorcycling altogether. For my modest riding needs, around the city and up and down the coast, it's perfect and I've owned much better-performing bikes than this.
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I think it is very interesting that the bike with less displacement (the V7s) are more popular than the version with more cubes (the V9). Maybe change is afoot amongst the motorcycle buying public.
Totally different rider triangle. The V9 is going after the cruiser rider.
The V7 cant touch the ride my FZ-07 provides, but the look and fit and finish far surpass the Yamaha. Some bikes you buy to wear out. Some you buy to cherish.
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For me personally, I really want to like V9
On paper, it has more power (ya I know), more "relax & cruise" sitting position, and a more "updated" engine. What is there not to like.
Until I sat on one...I find myself wanting to move my legs MORE rear of the bike, the "extra" horse wasn't that noticeable (granted it was a demo bike so I didn't give it hell), and I just can't bring myself trading from a 21 L tank to 15 L tank...
out of all those things that strike me odd is def the tank...15L looks bloody small and feels bloody small...This is the exactly the same reason why I didn't go for a HD 48 as I had a good deal lined up before purchasing the V7.
Now that being said, I am waiting for how V85 turns out...honestly beside some weird but minor things they did on the patent such as the seat & rear passenger foot pegs, V85 is slowly shaping into a machine how a V9 SHOULD be...
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Yeah I know gas stations aren't that far from one another but
Speak for yourself. I've run the V7 tank dry on an excursion... ran outta gas 2km from the station.
Canada is a vast place, with a wee little population. The tank on the V7 was a HUUUUUUGE selling point for me.
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Speak for yourself. I've run the V7 tank dry on an excursion... ran outta gas 2km from the station.
Canada is a vast place, with a wee little population. The tank on the V7 was a HUUUUUUGE selling point for me.
Same here
I know I got gas station every 10~15 mins ride here in the city, but out on the road trip, there had been a few occasions I pushed my little red a bit far that I started to get worry...
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Speak for yourself. I've run the V7 tank dry on an excursion... ran outta gas 2km from the station.
Canada is a vast place, with a wee little population. The tank on the V7 was a HUUUUUUGE selling point for me.
A little rack and rotopax will help with the range problem. Heck I'm building a rack adapter/alum plate setup (in wood because that's what I work with) for my Griso & V11 lemans. The steel single plate mount weighs to damn much.
(https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.-7HCkDnGNTXJ53BojQZLBAAAAA&pid=15.1&P=0&w=300&h=300)
Something like this because if it leaks well gravity (and wind) will pull it away.....
(http://www.altrider.com/images/thumbnail/product_large/installed-rotopax-one-gallon-gasoline-pack-with-standard-mount-set.jpg)
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I think if you re-read my post you would see we think EXACTLY alike!
The reality is that most of the time gas stations aren't too far apart as rarely MUST I go even 90 miles. But that is assuming I go from station to station. But there are MANY times I want to go from small town to small town and criss cross an area utilizing smaller roads. Doing this can easily get me to the 200 mile distance with no gas station in the vicinity.
So rest assure I get what you are saying. When I mentioned that Moto Guzzi must not have researched the US market I should also have mentioned Canada and Australia. Glad many of us GET to live in areas where we can have long rides with minimal human interaction if we so desire. It is much easier to find the opposite.
The V85 will be interesting depending on what the final product morphs into.
NC
Speak for yourself. I've run the V7 tank dry on an excursion... ran outta gas 2km from the station.
Canada is a vast place, with a wee little population. The tank on the V7 was a HUUUUUUGE selling point for me.
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I think if you re-read my post you would see we think EXACTLY alike!
The reality is that most of the time gas stations aren't too far apart as rarely MUST I go even 90 miles. But that is assuming I go from station to station. But there are MANY times I want to go from small town to small town and criss cross an area utilizing smaller roads. Doing this can easily get me to the 200 mile distance with no gas station in the vicinity.
So rest assure I get what you are saying. When I mentioned that Moto Guzzi must not have researched the US market I should also have mentioned Canada and Australia. Glad many of us GET to live in areas where we can have long rides with minimal human interaction if we so desire. It is much easier to find the opposite.
The V85 will be interesting depending on what the final product morphs into.
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That is not even considering the lack of enjoyment in constantly stopping for fuel
Here in oz the cashiers (some not all) take great pleasure in not taking your money until you take crash helmet off. I am an old man in an open face ffs !
Glasses, helmet, glasses on to pay, glasses off, helmet on , glasses on gets boring,
Others enjoy the filling game, fill when half full, go figure.
Hope the v85 has bigger tank than it looks, stupid shrouds bother me, could be fuel instead.
200 mile range minimum, on the noise , I do not run at constant 60; never will,
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One of my hot buttons is 200 mile range. I hate having to fuel up in the 150 mile range (the EV I stored for a couple of years drove me nuts with the 130 out of gas tank!). Both the Norge and the Goldwing are 200+ mile bikes. Even my old C-10 was over 200 miles between fill ups.
As much as I like the styling of the V7 and V9s, until they get bigger tanks, there is (currently) no way I'd buy either - they just don't fit my riding profile. I'll have to ask Todd what the capacity is on the V9 he built with a V7 style tank.
For around town commuting I do have a scooter that doesn't get 200 miles out of a tank, but it does get almost 70mpg.
jdg
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Just to keep you in the know. v7 have a 21L tank, that's about 5.5 US Gallons. v7 typically get over 50mpg, so you're looking at a range of well in excess of 250 miles per tank.
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I never park my bikes without topping them off with ethanol free fuel. Smaller tanks on local ride bikes don't bother me.
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I never park my bikes without topping them off with ethanol free fuel. Smaller tanks on local ride bikes don't bother me.
Parking ? Towards or against curb?
Makes tipping the jug an issue.
Left side to pour?
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Just to keep you in the know. v7 have a 21L tank, that's about 5.5 US Gallons. v7 typically get over 50mpg, so you're looking at a range of well in excess of 250 miles per tank.
And my V9 actually got 4-8mpg better even than my two V7s. And even the V9 has a 3.9 gallon tank. I drive about 20k or more miles a year on bikes and tour a great deal. I just don’t see how range is an issue for anyone on either of these bikes. I think folks are just trying to find reasons to not like a bike they already don’t like.
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For me personally, I really want to like V9
...Until I sat on one...I find myself wanting to move my legs MORE rear of the bike, the "extra" horse wasn't that noticeable (granted it was a demo bike so I didn't give it hell)...
Riding position can be fixed - all it takes is money. Pictures of my V9 with the OEM kit to move the pegs (about 3 in back & 1 in up). Feet end up in a position similar to the V7.
(https://thumb.ibb.co/kNLiF8/IMG_5313.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kNLiF8)
(https://thumb.ibb.co/dHATho/IMG_5314.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dHATho)
I also changed the bars for something more aggressive.
(https://thumb.ibb.co/ncLB2o/IMG_5316.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ncLB2o)
(https://thumb.ibb.co/n7RjNo/IMG_5311.jpg) (https://ibb.co/n7RjNo)
...and I just can't bring myself trading from a 21 L tank to 15 L tank...
I get the concern regarding the tank size. However, given the crazy good fuel mileage most of us have seen on the V9 you can safely go 180 miles on a full tank. I know a lot of people feel the need to have a 200 mile range but as I've said before, 150 is about all my old butt and bladder can tolerate. As much riding as I do I can count on one hand the number of times I've gone more than 180 miles at one sitting in the last ten years.
...out of all those things that strike me odd is def the tank...15L looks bloody small and feels bloody small...This is the exactly the same reason why I didn't go for a HD 48 as I had a good deal lined up before purchasing the V7...
I'm not sure Guzzi did themselves any favors with the tank design, but I understand why they did it. 'Lifting' the tank up and away from the cylinder heads emphasizes the engine. This may be part of their designer's philosophy. Look at the way they highlighted the cylinders on the 1400s.
Guzzi doesn't care whether you buy a V9 or a V7. The V9 was targeted at the folks that would buy a Sportster, or Kawasaki Vulcan, or a Yamaha Bolt. The point of the V9 was market acquisition. Have they been successful? Doesn't look like it. However, I doubt if most of the buyers who chose a V9 over a Sportster/Bolt/Vulcan would be regular participants on this forum.
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Riding position can be fixed - all it takes is money. Pictures of my V9 with the OEM kit to move the pegs (about 3 in back & 1 in up). Feet end up in a position similar to the V7.
(https://thumb.ibb.co/kNLiF8/IMG_5313.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kNLiF8)
(https://thumb.ibb.co/dHATho/IMG_5314.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dHATho)
I also changed the bars for something more aggressive.
(https://thumb.ibb.co/ncLB2o/IMG_5316.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ncLB2o)
(https://thumb.ibb.co/n7RjNo/IMG_5311.jpg) (https://ibb.co/n7RjNo)
I get the concern regarding the tank size. However, given the crazy good fuel mileage most of us have seen on the V9 you can safely go 180 miles on a full tank. I know a lot of people feel the need to have a 200 mile range but as I've said before, 150 is about all my old butt and bladder can tolerate. As much riding as I do I can count on one hand the number of times I've gone more than 180 miles at one sitting in the last ten years.
I'm not sure Guzzi did themselves any favors with the tank design, but I understand why they did it. 'Lifting' the tank up and away from the cylinder heads emphasizes the engine. This may be part of their designer's philosophy. Look at the way they highlighted the cylinders on the 1400s.
Guzzi doesn't care whether you buy a V9 or a V7. The V9 was targeted at the folks that would buy a Sportster, or Kawasaki Vulcan, or a Yamaha Bolt. The point of the V9 was market acquisition. Have they been successful? Doesn't look like it. However, I doubt if most of the buyers who chose a V9 over a Sportster/Bolt/Vulcan would be regular participants on this forum.
Well as much as I do agree with you on your counter-points, I mean, yes, money can solve things, but that is usually the truth with all things in the world.
Throughout the history of my riding (which isn't that long LOL), I am always a cruiser dude as I like how the style/feel of the ride...had a bit of dirt when I was younger but nothing extensive.
This is the first time that a classic/naked style appeals to me, and probably also the first time I would prefer a classic/naked over a cruiser.
When V9 came out, I thought to myself: oh goodie! a cruiser made by Guzzi that doesn't weight a ton! (also my garage won't fit a bigger bike)...but came out of the dealership slightly disappointed...it just doesn't feel as finished as it should be...
The main thing: The tank looks "separated" from the bike by "emphasizing the engine" as you side...I know it sounds shallow, but that is a turn-off for me....
V9 is not a bad bike, not by a long shot. It is just that by having a V7 ALREADY, I just can't bring myself up to trade/get another one of V9, whether it's due to performance and/or the look...
I really really want to like that bike...but so far nothing of it is winning me over indefinitely from my V7......but again, that is my personal feeling.
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I can't quite explain it. I've tried.
But there's just *something* about the V9 that misses the mark for me.
it's not the fat front tires, I like them. It's not the "Guzzi entry into the sportster/shadow/bolt market", I get it.
it's not the ergos/positioning, it makes sense for the demographic.
it just... I dunno. Something.
If they had offered this as a V9 in V7 clothes, I'd probably have been first in line to trade my V7 in.
That said, the couple people I know with one, and couple that have done demo rides seem to like them... so they seem to have hit the mark. Bikes are made to meet the demands of specific demographics... and it seems to. I think this is firmly targeted at the aforementioned Bolt/Shadow/Sporty market, that's looking for something a bit different from a Bolt, Shadow or Sporty. Kind of like all Guzzis and their respective demos, no?
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I've never ridden a small block, but I've seen three or four V9s "in the wild." My conclusion: they look much better in the flesh than in photos. Much better...
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Pete Roper nailed it. It's a very homely looking thing; the Triumph competitors are far better looking and performing. Guzzi really has to get it together; it has as poor a model selection now as it has ever had.
I fear we're doomed to a Guzzi becoming a quaint life-style accessory for city and bar bikers, with function, performance, and design blown away by style and gimmickry. Like totally daft 21" front wheels (MGX-21), one-ton cruisers with 30 kgs. of added weight to make the engine shake, and 9 different "versions" of the same bike, only differences being color changes.
Whether you liked them or not, the Norge, Stelvio, and Griso were all big, classic, bad-ass, Moto Guzzi roadburners. Now gone.
Kristian
Sport 1100
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Oh brother. :rolleyes: I’m checking out of this thread. Guess I’m taking the bait here as I can’t stand it. It would be enough if folks just blasted the V9 for styling or ergos since those seem about the most valid points in the thread though styling is entirely subjective and pegs can be moved.
No, it does not underperform in comparison to other bikes in its class, especially not the Triumph. The V9 actually has more torque, more horsepower, and a flatter curve than the Street Twin. No, the Triumph isn’t finished better with its top notch Kayaba forks and Nissin brakes. :shocked:
No, the small tank does not limit your touring range unless 180-200 miles per tank minimum is your baseline, Mr. Suspenders. And if that’s the case, then I guess you can likely stick what, 85 percent of the motorcycle market in your range deal breaker category so smear the V9 if you want, but smear the vast majority of the motorcycle market with it.
No, the V9 is not somehow “less authentic” than other Guzzis. Less authentic how? Less Harleyish than the 1400? Please. And the Stelvio. Definitely authentic. Guzzi wasn’t trying to copy the GS model or steal sales away from BMW at all. And the Griso, took nothing from the trellis framed Monster. Especially not that big, exposed silver frame bar up there on top. No sir.
I love the CARC bikes too, got one in the garage now, have had many others, but they are woefully deficient in their so called classes if you’re talking about performance - and that’s what folks here in this thread seem to keep harping upon. The Stelvio, the Norge, and yes even the manly Griso all pale in numbers when compared bikes in their classes. And yet, here you guys are saying they are badasses or perfect examples of what Guzzi should be doing. Gimme a break. What they are is bigger, louder, and more visceral than a V7 or a V9. If that somehow qualifies them as badasses or more “authentically” Guzzi then I guess you got a point.
So tell me the V9 is not your cup of tea stylistically or tell me you need 200 miles per tank minimum. But everything else, pleeeeeeessssee. Are you kidding me. :grin:
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The v9 is certainly not discordant with Guzzi past. The Nevada and other similar cycles sold only in Europe and elsewhere kept Guzy of float through much of the lien 80s and 90s. They sold a far more of these lovable work horses live they ever did any of Le Mans or even California models.
I find the bike kind of cool, and many of you ripping on it have yet to see one on the road. You might find it's not the abomination you think it is once you see one up close
I always take exception with Nevada bashers (that's a little strong). Put a windshield, HBs in the rear, and they make a great lightweight tourer, just not that much to look at. They are super performers; everything the V7s are with better stock suspension. If you ride one you'll be impressed.
That being said, probably a lot of that is true for the V9.
I still choose the Calvin for my enjoyment and ride the NV to keep i from going to seed, but when I ride it, it puts a big smile on my face!
DB
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I�m outta here too
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V9 with V7 tank and seat..http://ridemalibu.com/bikes/v97/
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I�m outta here too
Hmmm, yes.
Must agree. What are we even arguing about ?
Nicely said bpr...
Styling is something that can't be argued about because of the subjective nature of it all.
After all, I bought a bike new because I thought I liked it, then changed just about every styling cue that I could, so what does that say about my mindset..?
Clearly, I wasn't as happy as I thought..!
Maybe the more pertinent point worth magnifying is..
"Why do potential buyers steer away from the V9, and is that where the V7 sales are coming from"?
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V9 with V7 tank and seat..http://ridemalibu.com/bikes/v97/
And again..
(https://thumb.ibb.co/iFXBJT/IMG_0468.jpg) (https://ibb.co/iFXBJT)
Honestly.
Different wheels, second front disc, better seat, decent pipes and I can't see anything to sneer at..
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Oh brother. :rolleyes: I’m checking out of this thread. Guess I’m taking the bait here as I can’t stand it. It would be enough if folks just blasted the V9 for styling or ergos since those seem about the most valid points in the thread though styling is entirely subjective and pegs can be moved.
No, it does not underperform in comparison to other bikes in its class, especially not the Triumph. The V9 actually has more torque, more horsepower, and a flatter curve than the Street Twin. No, the Triumph isn’t finished better with its top notch Kayaba forks and Nissin brakes. :shocked:
No, the small tank does not limit your touring range unless 180-200 miles per tank minimum is your baseline, Mr. Suspenders. And if that’s the case, then I guess you can likely stick what, 85 percent of the motorcycle market in your range deal breaker category so smear the V9 if you want, but smear the vast majority of the motorcycle market with it.
No, the V9 is not somehow “less authentic” than other Guzzis. Less authentic how? Less Harleyish than the 1400? Please. And the Stelvio. Definitely authentic. Guzzi wasn’t trying to copy the GS model or steal sales away from BMW at all. And the Griso, took nothing from the trellis framed Monster. Especially not that big, exposed silver frame bar up there on top. No sir.
I love the CARC bikes too, got one in the garage now, have had many others, but they are woefully deficient in their so called classes if you’re talking about performance - and that’s what folks here in this thread seem to keep harping upon. The Stelvio, the Norge, and yes even the manly Griso all pale in numbers when compared bikes in their classes. And yet, here you guys are saying they are badasses or perfect examples of what Guzzi should be doing. Gimme a break. What they are is bigger, louder, and more visceral than a V7 or a V9. If that somehow qualifies them as badasses or more “authentically” Guzzi then I guess you got a point.
So tell me the V9 is not your cup of tea stylistically or tell me you need 200 miles per tank minimum. But everything else, pleeeeeeessssee. Are you kidding me. :grin:
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I just saw a brand new V9 at the dealership. And it looked pretty decent to me in person. I sat on it and it felt really comfortable. And it looked pretty good from behind the bars. If it (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180606/419c02c85264ec3f360c14c1ac679368.jpg)had more power I could see owning it. It was brand spanking new, so they were not offering a test drive. I guess they knew I was more interested in the Griso.
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I just saw a brand new V9 at the dealership. And it looked pretty decent to me in person. I sat on it and it felt really comfortable. And it looked pretty good from behind the bars. If it (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180606/419c02c85264ec3f360c14c1ac679368.jpg)had more power I could see owning it. It was brand spanking new, so they were not offering a test drive. I guess they knew I was more interested in the Griso.
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Purdy.
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That's the thing about this, and maybe other boards. So many say, I really like xyz Guzzi, if only it had...
More power or a better seat, or more leg room, or a bigger tank, or smaller wheels, or dual exhaust or ABS, or a better dealer network, or if it only came it red, more usable bags, or tube free tires, and on and on and on...
I have become cynical of much I read here, when it comes to new bike opinions. Some folks make some good points, but others are obviously never going to buy a new bike, regardless of what gets put out by Guzzi. Well that's the internet, old fat guys, siting in their underwear yelling, "Get of my yard!"
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That's the thing about this, and maybe other boards. So many say, I really like xyz Guzzi, if only it had...
More power or a better seat, or more leg room, or a bigger tank, or smaller wheels, or dual exhaust or ABS, or a better dealer network, or if it only came it red, more usable bags, or tube free tires, and on and on and on...
I have become cynical of much I read here, when it comes to new bike opinions. Some folks make some good points, but others are obviously never going to buy a new bike, regardless of what gets put out by Guzzi. Well that's the internet, old fat guys, siting in their underwear yelling, "Get of my yard!"
And I predict: when the V85 is here, people will start writing: "I would buy it, if it had 100 hp..."
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Parking ? Towards or against curb?
Makes tipping the jug an issue.
Left side to pour?
parking in the garage at the end of a ride. A full tank keep condensation away.
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That's the thing about this, and maybe other boards. So many say, I really like xyz Guzzi, if only it had...
More power or a better seat, or more leg room, or a bigger tank, or smaller wheels, or dual exhaust or ABS, or a better dealer network, or if it only came it red, more usable bags, or tube free tires, and on and on and on...
I have become cynical of much I read here, when it comes to new bike opinions. Some folks make some good points, but others are obviously never going to buy a new bike, regardless of what gets put out by Guzzi. Well that's the internet, old fat guys, siting in their underwear yelling, "Get of my yard!"
I can't disagree at all. I would hate trying to market to this crowd. In the end, it's just all talk, no action.
One service manager of a dealer near me said there's nothing like Guzzista. A weird bunch. "Some" of those here do nothing to dispel that notion.
Regardless, I still enjoy this board.
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I can't disagree at all. I would hate trying to market to this crowd. In the end, it's just all talk, no action.
One service manager of a dealer near me said there's nothing like Guzzista. A weird bunch. "Some" of those here do nothing to dispel that notion.
Regardless, I still enjoy this board.
LOL Me three. Lots of folks harsh on the new stuff, I just don't get it. Meanwhile they probably drive modern cars that "you can't work on" LMAO.
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Funny thread. Just got back from a 'round US trip including following the Scooter Cannonball in which my friend participated.
Saw 2 Guzzis in the wild, both V7s. One Stelvio on a trailer.
Vespa 300 is enough to drop most riders on the twisties.. All the time he rode the rally he wished he had his Roamer. It's a nice bike!
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I test rode the V9 Bobber at Americade last week and was quite impressed with the ergonomics, handling and power! I wish I could put that engine in my V7ii!
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Could a contributing factor be that motorcycle sales in general are declining? Apparently younger folks just aren't interested.
I keep hearing say this but between my dozens of millenial & generation Y employees, my son's huge friend circle, my fiance's work crew.... I interact with tons of them day-to-day. I would say 'young people' have tons of interest in motorcycles (and scooters), probably moreso than cars... the problem is that they can't afford a new one. With the trend running toward bobbers, scramblers, and cafe racers... These kids want an old bike that looks the part and won't break the bank.
Most of these kids believe they will never own a home, pay off their student loans, or retire.... a brand new motorcycle isn't exactly in the cards.
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The V85 motor will likely end up in a V7-styled bike -- hopefully :food:
This is my hope. I don't have anything against the v9.. I just cant go for the styling & riding position. I bet if they had a v9 powertrain in v7 configuration (Tank, bar & bar &peg placement, passenger accommodation)... they couldnt keep them in stock.
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Most of these kids believe they will never own a home, pay off their student loans, or retire.... a brand new motorcycle isn't exactly in the cards.
What did they get their degrees in and what schools did they attend? All the millennials I know drive tuner or muscle cars and have so much cash that the receptionist sends out an email for found money at least twice weekly.
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I keep hearing say this but between my dozens of millenial & generation Y employees, my son's huge friend circle, my fiance's work crew.... I interact with tons of them day-to-day. I would say 'young people' have tons of interest in motorcycles (and scooters), probably moreso than cars... the problem is that they can't afford a new one. With the trend running toward bobbers, scramblers, and cafe racers... These kids want an old bike that looks the part and won't break the bank.
Most of these kids believe they will never own a home, pay off their student loans, or retire.... a brand new motorcycle isn't exactly in the cards.
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I keep hearing say this but between my dozens of millenial & generation Y employees, my son's huge friend circle, my fiance's work crew.... I interact with tons of them day-to-day. I would say 'young people' have tons of interest in motorcycles (and scooters), probably moreso than cars... the problem is that they can't afford a new one. With the trend running toward bobbers, scramblers, and cafe racers... These kids want an old bike that looks the part and won't break the bank.
Most of these kids believe they will never own a home, pay off their student loans, or retire.... a brand new motorcycle isn't exactly in the cards.
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Well I just love v9 Roamer.
Yes quirky and my shins can get warm and I have changed the seat to the latest edition and the shocks are stiff but I just love the thing.
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And I predict: when the V85 is here, people will start writing: "I would buy it, if it had 100 hp..."
I'll buy it if it's only got 65 Hp.
But not in Ronald Mc Donald livery.
That's the ONLY thing...
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I am not in the market for another bike, but would be more than happy with one. I would dearly like it to have a bigger tank though.
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This has been way more entertaining than a Penn and Teller show............... ............
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If there is no such thing as "bad publicitY", then the V9 is a hit, at least with this board. My dealer lets you test ride each model so I really should try one so I can be better informed. As to the tank range, like many here, I had a Sportster back in the day of the 2.5 gallon peanut tank. At about 85 miles, you had better be pretty close to a gas station. How many of those did they sell? Unless you are in the desert, the smallish tank should not be of consequence to most riders.
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I recently did a 4000 mile drive in my truck towing a trailer. I stopped between 50 and 130 miles and topped off. My range was 200 miles before the low fuel llight came on.
The only reason I like the tank on the V7 is that I can ride and fill up with pure gas at the station near my house bbefore I put the bike away.
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Guzzi V9 gets a little praise with these moto journalists: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy7o4m6RfQw
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FWIW I owned one (V7) and test rode the other (V9 roamer).
I really wanted to like the V9 but didn't. It was purely personal preference. The fit-n-finish was excellent, everything worked well, and the engine was sweet. I really like the looks of the V9 Roamer that Jack posted earlier in this thread. I think he (or someone) had posted that much earlier in a different thread. It was that picture that led me to test-ride the bike.
What didn't I like? Based on my one-year old memory...
My feet were in a farther-forward position than I liked. I know there was a fix for that but it wasn't on the bike I test rode. Thinking about it later, I don't believe moving the controls back would have been the answer (for me). The seat already felt low-ish. Moving my feet under me would have made longer rides pretty cramped.
Because my feet were forward and based on where the bars were, I ended up riding in a C shape (more core workouts?) that was somewhat uncomfortable for me by the time I took the bike back. I thought it would be an issue long term.
I didn't like the tank shape. I normally grip the tank as I ride; that didn't work for me on this bike. I would also have preferred a tank which held more fuel but it wasn't a deal breaker for me.
My memory is that it wasn't as agile as the V7 (I also test rode a v7iii around the same time). It wasn't ponderous but it didn't dart about as well as the v7iii.
So I kept my V7.
Ultimately I don't think I was the audience Guzzi was trying to appeal to and that's fair. It was a good bike, just not a good bike for me.
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I saw one recently at AF1 Racing in Texas. The salesman, who was wonderful by the way, we chatted for about 40 minutes on different things relating to Moto Guzzi. ANyway, when we got to the V9 he said it has been test ridden and exactly like Pete Roper posted earlier, people come back on it and don't really like it. He said way too many people hit their knees on the heads which is a major turn off right away. It certainly wouldn't fit me nor did not fit him. He was about 5'11" and I'd guess he weighs in at about 170 pounds. He said some people want to like it but by the time you add up changing what needs to be changed just to make it 'fit' it's then way out of line price wise.
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I don't get it? I rode a 16 Romer, I found it quite fun for the type of bike it is. The part I don't get is people would be hitting their knees on the cylinder heads? You would have to be shorter than 5" to have knees that would hit the heads, maybe you could hit your shins, but you can do that on most Guzzi. Since I rode, Guzzi has moved the pegs back, to a more neutral position, making hitting anything even less likely. I found it two small for my 6 and a 1/2 foot frame, but any normal sized person I would think would it well. I didn't really like the forwardish foot controls, but I guess Guzzi listened to me and moved that back!
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Every minute riding on my V9 Bobber makes me feel happy. If Guzzi wouldn‘t offer this bike I wouldn‘t drive a Guzzi at all. For my needs the V9 is the best motorcycle I‘ve ever owned and in my view, engine, handling and style are really outstanding.
Best
Lars
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So having reviewed this long thread, no one has posed the question: "What is the future of the V9?"
Tweek it, Revise, remodel, revamp, or drop it? There is little sense in building bikes that aren't selling on a good day at 90% of msrp.
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I purchased a Roamer because I always wanted a cruiser but I didn't want to sacrifice handling/performance - I "grew up" on sport/performance oriented bikes.
The V9 Roamer's looks (in person) initially grabbed me and a test ride was all it took after that. The bike has a great motor (never mind the 55 or whatever HP rating, it's plenty fast for the real world) and handles incredibly well off the showroom floor for what it is. It definitely hits the mark as far as I'm concerned - I enjoy riding it every bit as much as any bike I've owned, maybe more. I've tried both peg positions and actually like them both; the rear being a bit better for sportier riding but the standard position great for cruising (I'm 5'11 and just need to slide slightly rearward on the seat to avoid contact with the cylinders - it's really a shame people aren't figuring this out).
However, I'm clearly in the minority and I suspect the end is near for the V9. But I'm sure looking forward to the V85 in as many iterations as Guzzi gives us! :grin:
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So having reviewed this long thread, no one has posed the question: "What is the future of the V9?"
Tweek it, Revise, remodel, revamp, or drop it? There is little sense in building bikes that aren't selling on a good day at 90% of msrp.
Does anyone here know the real sales figures? If not all this is just speculation
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It's all speculation, Guzzi does not release sales numbers of any kind in NA. They never have as far as I know.
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I've posted here previously about my 2016 V9 Roamer that I bought new. As a grocery getter, canyon carver, and touring machine, I'm pushing 30k now, probably will get there next week when I ride to Datil (I live in Colorado). The bike has had one factory recall (clutch cable issue), and one warranty issue (replace faulty stator). Other than that it has been a fun and reliable workhorse. I like it now and look forward to liking it when it gets broken in. I find this Guzzi attractive as, to my eye, the design highlights the frame and motor, showing the simple, basic approach to motorcycle design; include only what is required and not much else. As for sales figures, I have no idea, but I enjoy riding something out of the ordinary (this is my 4th Guzzi), and the V9 fits that bill. Even most Guzzi folks don't care for this thing, adding great value (emotional, personal, spiritual, certainly not financial) for me. As long as I can get parts, I'm all for Guzzi abandoning this model to the few weird birds who like it.
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Went for a ride today out to Writewood by the back way then came home on the Angeles Crest Highway. I stopped my Griso for a drink of water and to get rid of some water and saw a Stone, V9 and a Roamer whoosh past. First time I have ever seen so many Guzzis on the road at one time. They were moving along at a good clip too. Made my day...
That was us! (http://www.guzzitech.com/forums/threads/v7-v9-ride-sun-06-03-angeles-crest-hwy.18489/)
Wish we would have seen you.
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Loving my V9 Roamer, have over 4k on it since November, but that's mainly due to winter and having other bikes I also like to ride.
Rode it ~500 miles one way to the VA Guzzi Rally and loved it on a long trip, light so I never got tired, bench seat allowed me to keep changing my seating position. I really liked how it handles the freeway well but twisties are still great as it is so light and manuverable versus my HD dyna, but is more comfortable with better luggage options for long trips than my Triumph street triple. I find it has quite amazing handling for a cruiser, nearly matching my Honda rebel 250 in maneuverability, but stable on the freeway; the V9 is now my preferred distance bike.
I suspect those who think it doesn't handle great didn't try different seating positions. I sit farther forward in the seat in twisties, with some bend in my arms the bike is almost twitchy and ridiculously easy to maneuver, and it's easy to hang off the bike in the curves. On the freeway I sit back in the seat, with my arms stretched out and the wider seat towards the rear the bike becomes more stable. The large surfboard seat allows the rider to change characteristics depending on seating position, which I find to be one of the most fun features of this bike. I suspect thought this causes some bad reviews as the bike changes so much depending on rider position, a tester who doesn't try this won't unlock the nature of this beast.
Been looking at these 'modern classic' type bikes for a while, first time I sat on one it was with the original controls and my legs rubbed the engine. Sat on it a year later though, the dealer had installed the factory peg relocation kit and took it for a test ride. The noticeable left/right shake which gives the sensation of a propeller plane, the crazy good handling when in the gentlemanly upright position towards the front of the bike, and there's this sweet spot when in the right gear going the right speed where the suspension feels like gliding on air with a put-put-put from the engine nudging forward; I bought it that day.
I had ridden a California, and honestly though it was boring; too smooth, not enough character, the V9 was just what I was looking for. It's definitely a weird bike with characteristics I've never experienced before. After this bike I was anxious to buy more Guzzi's in the future and try more of the line, and then our local dealer closed. :sad:
At least I'll enjoy the heck out of this one until the wheels fall off. My only gripe is the fuel capacity, for me the light comes on at 140 so I tend to start seeking fuel at 120 since I tend to be in the middle of nowhere and this bike needs premium, which can be hard to find in the sticks. But honestly I'm rather used to this since the rebel mileage is the same (although the rebel doesn't need me to seek out premium) and these two bikes in my stable are the best for picking random questionable roads and seeing where they end up.
This isn't exclusive to Guzzi but this trend towards premium fuel is obnoxious, it's pushing me towards Triumph in general since all their bikes take normal gas which I can get anywhere.
(https://thumb.ibb.co/euciWU/v9roamer_pick_up.jpg) (https://ibb.co/euciWU)
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Rode it ~500 miles one way to the VA Guzzi Rally and loved it on a long trip, light so I never got tired, bench seat allowed me to keep changing my seating position. I really liked how it handles the freeway well but twisties are still great as it is so light and manuverable versus my HD dyna, but is more comfortable with better luggage options for long trips than my Triumph street triple. I find it has quite amazing handling for a cruiser, nearly matching my Honda rebel 250 in maneuverability, but stable on the freeway; the V9 is now my preferred distance bike.
(https://thumb.ibb.co/euciWU/v9roamer_pick_up.jpg) (https://ibb.co/euciWU)
500 miles with no wind screen? Were you keeping off the slab?? nice testimony
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500 miles with no wind screen? Were you keeping off the slab?? nice testimony
I do generally minimize freeways, but I have spent plenty of miles at 80mph on the V9 (trying to go the speed limit on some PA freeways would be suicide). I avoid freeways because I find them horribly boring, but I don't hesitate to use them when I need to get somewhere fast. I've never understood why anyone wants windscreens when the temperatures are above 50F, I've been up over 100 on my Triumph which also has no windscreen, it's just no problem. Maybe it's because I wear full gear and a full face helmet, or maybe because I ride every day generally a minimum of 100 miles a day, but I've never had the wind bother me. I just relax and go with it.
Windscreens are for winter rides, in general when it's cold I'm on my Concours 14 for any longer trips, which is an awesome winter bike, although I summerize it in the spring and it sits until winter.
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I do generally minimize freeways, but I have spent plenty of miles at 80mph on the V9 (trying to go the speed limit on some PA freeways would be suicide). I avoid freeways because I find them horribly boring, but I don't hesitate to use them when I need to get somewhere fast. I've never understood why anyone wants windscreens when the temperatures are above 50F, I've been up over 100 on my Triumph which also has no windscreen, it's just no problem. Maybe it's because I wear full gear and a full face helmet, or maybe because I ride every day generally a minimum of 100 miles a day, but I've never had the wind bother me. I just relax and go with it.
Windscreens are for winter rides, in general when it's cold I'm on my Concours 14 for any longer trips, which is an awesome winter bike, although I summerize it in the spring and it sits until winter.
I see from your signature that you share the love for variety in motorcycles. I put 30000 miles on a Concours 14 and 60000 miles on a Voyager 1700.
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Well said
They (V9s) seem to answer a question that was not asked..... :grin:
Weren’t they designed in California, I seem to recall someone on here knowing the designer.
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One thought on the popularity, or lack thereof, of the V9 is that, while many who've voiced a negative opinion of it (myself included), are the US, this is a world bike, intended to replace the Nevada, which, if my memory serves me correctly, was still available in other parts of the world until not long before the V9 was introduced. That to me says that the rest of the world likes (and buys) a middleweight Italian cruiser more more so than the US.
If that is the case, I wouldn't say that the end is near for the V9, just that Guzzi my stop offering it in the US.
What I cam anxious to see is if they V85 motor eventually replaces the V9 and V7 motors on their respective chassis.
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After much going back and forth on what MG to buy to replace my CALVIN, I am seriously considering a black Bobber. The dealer in Sturgis made me a very good price for a low-miles demo. I like the overall appearance of the Bobber.