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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Shorty on June 18, 2018, 01:07:08 PM
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Got myself on the Indian M/C mailing list somehow. Here is a page with videos of their new scrambler/street tracker FTR1200 :
https://www.indianmotorcycle.com/en-us/ftr1200/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=selligent&utm_campaign=ind_1806_ftr1200_announced#explore-ftr-1200-gallery
Looks like it may be a hoss.... :laugh:
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Finally an Indian that I can relate to. Their other products so far have not been my cup of tea.
Rick.
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I'd like to check it out. I've asked the local shop when Indian was going to make a Scout with rear sets.
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Is it an actual production bike?
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I like what I’ve been seeing from Indian. I guess it helps that I adore the old ones...
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Is it an actual production bike?
No. But they are developing a production version for sale in the Fall.
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Is it an actual production bike?
"Production Version Coming 2019".
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Cool, sounds like fun. Maybe folks won't tear it down before they even get eyes on it.
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(https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2018/06/ftr1200-custom.jpg?quality=85)
I like the looks of it. Kinda. Have to see it up close to check the details. I'd be interested to know how much it weighs. Under 475 lbs (all fluids except fuel) and it could be great fun.
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I'd like to check it out. I've asked the local shop when Indian was going to make a Scout with rear sets.
HUH?
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Good to see Indian try something different, I kind of like it. But, that fuel tank looks awfully small, hopefully the production unit will have a decent fuel capacity.
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Looks like loads of fun :thumb:
Finally, an American motorcycle that isn't a cruiser (yes, I know XR1200 and Buell, but, those are no longer made). Hopefully, it last longer on the market.
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HUH?
what?
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(https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2018/06/ftr1200-custom.jpg?quality=85)
I like the looks of it. Kinda. Have to see it up close to check the details. I'd be interested to know how much it weighs. Under 475 lbs (all fluids except fuel) and it could be great fun.
remember, this isn't the bike that will be produced. This one is a show bike with a mixture of production and racing parts.
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Good to see Indian try something different, I kind of like it. But, that fuel tank looks awfully small, hopefully the production unit will have a decent fuel capacity.
Good point. 100 to 150 mile fuel range would be a turnoff.
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Watching the races on fanschoice Saturday night they did advertise a scout w/o the damn foreward controls. Caught my attention. That’s a bad ass motor on those scouts.
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remember, this isn't the bike that will be produced.
Hmmm. I remember when Victory teased us with the Project 156 hill climb motorcycle, and all they brought to production was a slightly restyled Scout, yet another feet-forward cruiser :sad:
(https://www.sportrider.com/sites/sportrider.com/files/styles/1000_1x_/public/bm6u0251.jpg?itok=bjhhFTzz&fc=50,50)
(http://motorcycle.com.vsassets.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/030316-2017-Victory-Octane-Introduction-DSC_7906re.jpg)
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Hmmm. I remember when Victory teased us with the Project 156 hill climb motorcycle, and all they brought to production was a slightly restyled Scout, yet another feet-forward cruiser :sad:
(https://www.sportrider.com/sites/sportrider.com/files/styles/1000_1x_/public/bm6u0251.jpg?itok=bjhhFTzz&fc=50,50)
(http://motorcycle.com.vsassets.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/030316-2017-Victory-Octane-Introduction-DSC_7906re.jpg)
man, both of those bikes are ugly as sin.
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man, both of those bikes are ugly as sin.
Yes, but, the first one would be a hoot to ride. The second one, at least for me, is an ergonomic disaster.
I HATE forward controls and ultra low seats + short travel suspension. That would KILL my back on the first bad bump.
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I like the 1st one, most of the victory’s were ugly as a mud fence as far as I’m concerned.
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what?
There are pillion accommodations on the scout.
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There are pillion accommodations on the scout.
what's that have to do with rear sets?
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I think it looks fantastic. To me, the Chiefs are way over the top. I have some respect for the scout. This thing could be fun and who cares about the tank? For the love of God, not everything is a touring bike.
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I�m no fan of high pipes, but the rest is intriguing. Best looking American bike I�ve seen since Buell.
HD best find some inspiration right quick. Polaris means business.
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This thing could be fun and who cares about the tank? For the love of God, not everything is a touring bike.
True, but having to get fuel every 100 miles would be a downer for me. No worries, different strokes, etc.
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I test rode a Scout. The fit and finish is great. The engine rips and has about 100hp. I absolutely hate the pegs and the rear suspension needs about 3" more travel. This bike addresses both. As for the tank, the Scout has a similar size tank as a Sportster. It's 3.3 gallons. I don't know if this bike will have the same capacity or not but the Scout is meant to steal sales from the Sportster so the size is fine for most people cross shopping them. The Scout weighs 560lbs so I doubt the FTR will weigh 100lbs less but we'll see. I really hope they don't stick with those enormous wheels. It's screaming for 17" wheels so premium rubber can be mounted.
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True, but having to get fuel every 100 miles would be a downer for me. No worries, different strokes, etc.
My Ducati Monster gets 90 miles to a tank. We go on lots of long rides and have to plan the route on me fueling up.
I would still rather have a good looking bike vs a huge tank. And a larger tank would wreck that Indian flat tracker.
That said, I bet the production version will be unrecognizable compared to that prototype. From the site "The new FTR 1200 will take inspiration, design and performance cues from these two predecessors, but will maintain a look and style all its own."
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Which doesn't make any sense when the show bike is what people want.
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True, but having to get fuel every 100 miles would be a downer for me. No worries, different strokes, etc.
My BSA Firebird Scrambler is like that. High pipes, birdcage exhaust heat shield, 2 gallon fuel tank.
It works well when you're ready for it. The heat shield is very effective; when you come to a stop, you can take both hands off the bars if you need to, and lean the shield against your leg to support the bike while you do whatever.
You have to refuel every 100 miles or so. I like big tanks myself; both my Norton Interstate and my Triumph Trophy SE get 320+ miles per tank, but when I'm on a trip on the Firebird, I just adjust. I wouldn't take it on Rt 50 across Nevada, or up the Canol Road, but for going from Virginia to Ohio or South Carolina, it's not an issue.
No pillion, though. The passenger peg is almost unreachable under those pipes.
It makes a good addition to the fleet when conditions are right. Once, it was my only bike; then I bought a Centauro ......
So I think if someone really wanted this Indian, they could make it work for anything except transcontinental touring ....
Lannis
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I like the styling but unless it's got a 200 mile range between fill ups, weighs 500lbs. or less, and doesn't overheat my leg, foot or ball, handles well, and is ergonomically comfortable …….. it's not for me. I've learned that the pleasure of riding eye candy alone doesn't last long for me.
Paul
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No. But they are developing a production version for sale in the Fall.
Hopefully FTR1200 won't equal Victory's Octane. LOL.
Victory made all that noise at Peak with a kick ass race bike, told everyone "a version" was coming to market, then all we got was a rebadged Scout cruiser with Bold New Graphics!
I wouldn't be surprised to see flat track looking bodywork applied to the existing Scout platform.
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I entered to win one on the website, now I can just sit back and wait for it to be delivered...
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Definitely a step in the right direction for the kind of riding the majority of us on here like to do. While I like the looks of the Scout and its 100 HP, I'm just not keen on the feet forward riding position, either. I'm just happy that the Indian brand is doing so well for Polaris.
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Just finished another trip out west with our Scouts. They are getting near 60 MPG now at back road touring speed, and about 55 at highway. 135+ until the fuel light, more than enough for our style of travel. But not important for the FTR target. Still might get one.
5900 miles in 3 weeks or so, only saw 2 V7s on the road, and 1 Stelvio on a trailer.
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I'm thinking the same as Rocker. Time will tell.
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Hopefully FTR1200 won't equal Victory's Octane. LOL.
Victory made all that noise at Peak with a kick ass race bike, told everyone "a version" was coming to market, then all we got was a rebadged Scout cruiser with Bold New Graphics!
I wouldn't be surprised to see flat track looking bodywork applied to the existing Scout platform.
I suspect that you are right. Doubtful that an expensive race derived frame and high dollar suspension would be cost effective. I'd hope for rear sets, or at least standard mounts and fly screen might make it. I'd hate to see a only number plate with mini headlight with front mounts. Hopefully, a street tracker and cafe version.
I've asked the local Indian shop about this bike a couple of times over the last year or so. They don't know anything and give me blank look when I ask about control mounts.
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what's that have to do with rear sets?
Oops. Read rear seats. Never pictured a cruiser with rear sets. Especially with that low seat height. I can't even ride one with mid controls.
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Oops. Read rear seats. Never pictured a cruiser with rear sets. Especially with that low seat height. I can't even ride one with mid controls.
I think the whole idea here is that a street tracker isn't a cruiser. Otherwise, there'd be no thread.
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I am a long time Guzzi fan and have 3 right now (Ambassador LAPD, Convert, and Cali III). But I have also become an Indian fan. I bought a 2016 Scout 60 which back then came with $1000 of free accessories. I did not like the forward controls and low seat so I put on the reduced reach controls, beach bars which require less reach, floor boards which allows me to rest my feet further back and a 1920s solo seat which sits up higher than the stock by about 3 inches I think. Also have a dual seat and the stock seat which came with it. I could not be happier with it. It is powerful and really fun to ride. Here is a pic:
(https://thumb.ibb.co/bxfGVJ/IMG_2163.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bxfGVJ)
(https://thumb.ibb.co/b7AQqJ/IMG_2168.jpg) (https://ibb.co/b7AQqJ)
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Hopefully FTR1200 won't equal Victory's Octane. LOL.
Victory made all that noise at Peak with a kick ass race bike, told everyone "a version" was coming to market, then all we got was a rebadged Scout cruiser with Bold New Graphics!
I wouldn't be surprised to see flat track looking bodywork applied to the existing Scout platform.
Perhaps and it'll be another nice running porky bike...
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That bike looks like a real "bun burner" to me. Cool concept though, but I do not like the hot exhaust location one bit.
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As for the tank, the Scout has a similar size tank as a Sportster. It's 3.3 gallons. I don't know if this bike will have the same capacity or not but the Scout is meant to steal sales from the Sportster so the size is fine for most people cross shopping them.
FWIW, about half of the production Sportsters come with a 4.5g tank, and you can always swap that onto the other half.
Like this guy:
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I'd tour anywhere anyone wanted to go on that .....
Lannis
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I'd tour anywhere anyone wanted to go on that .....
Lannis
Not every rider needs or wants a two wheel Buick....
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Not every rider needs or wants a two wheel Buick....
Of course, when I say "I", I mean literally one of me, which is what that Sportster is made for.
The "Buick" syndrome starts to take effect when the job of the touring bike is to carry two people and all their gear for a long trip in comfort.
When it's just Me, I'll ride anything and call it a touring bike. When there's two of us, you've got to have some seat and legroom, some storage, some power, and some brakes. And along with that invariably comes the other stuff, because that's how bike companies build them .... !
Lannis
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It would take sterner guy than me to tour on a Sportster.
Hail to you macho guys.
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It would take sterner guy than me to tour on a Sportster.
If I remember, that's a later-model rubber-mount Sportster with modern brakes, a reasonable seating position, etc. Shouldn't be much difference between that an a lot of other modern bikes.
I must say though, that I'd rather tour on my A10 or A65 BSA (which I do) rather than an old solid mount CH with a magneto. You can use electronic ignition and a balanced crank to smooth out a BSA twin very nicely - but the 45 degree crank geometry of the Sportster resists all such efforts ....
Lannis
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If I remember, that's a later-model rubber-mount Sportster with modern brakes, a reasonable seating position, etc. Shouldn't be much difference between that an a lot of other modern bikes.
I must say though, that I'd rather tour on my A10 or A65 BSA (which I do) rather than an old solid mount CH with a magneto. You can use electronic ignition and a balanced crank to smooth out a BSA twin very nicely - but the 45 degree crank geometry of the Sportster resists all such efforts ....
Lannis
Yup. I'd tour on that and I don't even really like Harley's. I don't know what the tires are but they look great for smooth gravel roads too.
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The "Buick" syndrome starts to take effect when the job of the touring bike is to carry two people and all their gear for a long trip in comfort. When it's just Me, I'll ride anything and call it a touring bike. When there's two of us, you've got to have some seat and legroom, some storage, some power, and some brakes. And along with that invariably comes the other stuff, because that's how bike companies build them .... !
Generally, not invariably...
(https://thumb.ibb.co/jGU1FT/C88_A3736_9_EBC_4_EF0_A4_C3_EB342602_C49_D.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jGU1FT)
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If I remember, that's a later-model rubber-mount Sportster with modern brakes, a reasonable seating position, etc. Shouldn't be much difference between that an a lot of other modern bikes.
I must say though, that I'd rather tour on my A10 or A65 BSA (which I do) rather than an old solid mount CH with a magneto. You can use electronic ignition and a balanced crank to smooth out a BSA twin very nicely - but the 45 degree crank geometry of the Sportster resists all such efforts ....
Lannis
I think you are made of the same stuff of guys who ride cross country on Shovelhead Harleys or god forbid, a non rubber mount Sportster....In my experience of riding many 650-750 Brit bikes over the years, none were what I call smooth over 60 MPH for any length of time.. But maybe I just hate long rides on bikes....I can't think of a time I went further than 150 miles from home on any bike...
As you may have read on Brit Bike I'm driving to NYC on Friday to pick up a 79 Triumph 750 I got off Ebay..I'm sorta dreading the trip alone in a pick up truck because of the time behind the wheel...About a 700 mile round trip
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If I remember, that's a later-model rubber-mount Sportster with modern brakes, a reasonable seating position, etc. Shouldn't be much difference between that an a lot of other modern bikes.
Yup, that's a 2016+ XL1200CX Roadster from someone who posts regularly at the ADV Rider forum.
Here's a shot from today actually:(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180620/98b3c84f30cfbf5a8f37789a6b8ea7d9.jpg)
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Mid set pegs & clearance in a V-twin - just what many of us prefer. I've ridden a mate's Scout - very impressed with the engine & gearing & the saddle, not so much with the suspension (or lack of it) & the forward controls. I like the tall wheels, & it looks like they may be narrow enough to handle gravel. It's supposed to be a street tracker, so it's unlikely the fuel tank would be large. But that's fixable. I'll be interested to see what finally turns up on the shop floor, and hopeful that Indian don't stray too far from the concept. Perhaps the time is right to open up a whole new market for American motorcycles. Hope it gets off the ground.