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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: brider on July 10, 2018, 08:30:47 AM
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Just read that George Clooney was "...hit on his motorbike..." on his way to a film set in Italy. He lives on the shores of Lake Como, not far from the Guzzi headquarters.
I love the Euro use of the term "motorbike", it makes them all sound like mopeds.
Wonder if he was on a Guzzi?
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I glanced at an article on it this morning. If the photo shown was accurate it looked like a Scooter (maybe Vespa) wasn't clear.
Image here on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/lanuovasardegna/status/1016601494274101248
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Vespa!
Bill
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It's funny how riders are more interested in the type of bike and such rather than the condition of the rider. From the looks of the photo it didn't look too serious, but anytime you go down, especially us old guys, things break that didn't used to. Hope he and the bike are OK!
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It's funny how riders are more interested in the type of bike and such rather than the condition of the rider. From the looks of the photo it didn't look too serious, but anytime you go down, especially us old guys, things break that didn't used to. Hope he and the bike are OK!
He was treated at the hospital with minor injuries to pelvis and one arm and leg, then released. Already in a limo home.
I suspect most who see the headline knew he was ok because the headline was that he crashed not that he was badly injured, dying, or dead.
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And at the same time, probably dozens seriously injured or killed in similar accidents but no one cares because it's not a celebrity...
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And at the same time, probably dozens seriously injured or killed in similar accidents but no one cares because it's not a celebrity...
I hear this a lot too, especially with shyte on FB, like we're supposed to be shamed for giving a crap about a celebrity and not about people we don't know.
But it's basic human nature. We FEEL like we know celebrities - because we literally know their names, their faces, and usually some of their work (which when it's entertainment means we connect with something about them - just like people do about artists, authors, hell politicians for right or wrong, or how about Evel Knievel etc.).
So really there's nothing wrong with giving a crap BECAUSE they are not at the same level of nameless strangers. Granted they're not much more... but it's something more and that's normal, not something to bitch about.
Look, the world's a big place, and I'm sure a lot of people will die today that I don't or won't ever know and I'm not going to likely mourn the normal course of life for the nameless masses.
But at the same time things happen and the world's attention gets drawn to the fate of a few and you get emotionally invested. There's a piece of me that was VERY happy inside when I heard those 12 kids and their coach got out of the caves alive in Thailand today. Well done Thai Navy Seals (RIP the one they lost) and well done the professionals and volunteers from all over the world. I think it was some Brit divers who found them in the first place. Cheers mates! You guys all have balls the size of church bells! Sleep well tonight!
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was the Vespa ok? :rolleyes:
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I hear this a lot too, especially with shyte on FB, like we're supposed to be shamed for giving a crap about a celebrity and not about people we don't know.
But it's basic human nature. We FEEL like we know celebrities - because we literally know their names, their faces, and usually some of their work (which when it's entertainment means we connect with something about them - just like people do about artists, authors, hell politicians for right or wrong, or how about Evel Knievel etc.).
So really there's nothing wrong with giving a crap BECAUSE they are not at the same level of nameless strangers. Granted they're not much more... but it's something more and that's normal, not something to bitch about.
Look, the world's a big place, and I'm sure a lot of people will die today that I don't or won't ever know and I'm not going to likely mourn the normal course of life for the nameless masses.
That's all very true, and even if we try not to fall into the trap of celebrity worship, no one can deny feeling differently when Olivia DeHavilland passes away from when Betty Jean Dodgeford of Utica, NY passes away, even if they both ARE 102-year-old nice ladies.
But I do make a concerted effort not to participate in any of the Dead Rock Star posts on any of the forums I frequent. Given the average age of this list versus the average age (and the usual s,d, and r&r lifestyles) of rock stars, it won't be long before one will be passing on every single day .... we could fill up the entire forum with eulogies.
Lannis
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I hear this a lot too, especially with shyte on FB, like we're supposed to be shamed for giving a crap about a celebrity and not about people we don't know.
But it's basic human nature. We FEEL like we know celebrities - because we literally know their names, their faces, and usually some of their work (which when it's entertainment means we connect with something about them - just like people do about artists, authors, hell politicians for right or wrong, or how about Evel Knievel etc.).
So really there's nothing wrong with giving a crap BECAUSE they are not at the same level of nameless strangers. Granted they're not much more... but it's something more and that's normal, not something to bitch about.
Look, the world's a big place, and I'm sure a lot of people will die today that I don't or won't ever know and I'm not going to likely mourn the normal course of life for the nameless masses.
But at the same time things happen and the world's attention gets drawn to the fate of a few and you get emotionally invested. There's a piece of me that was VERY happy inside when I heard those 12 kids and their coach got out of the caves alive in Thailand today. Well done Thai Navy Seals (RIP the one they lost) and well done the professionals and volunteers from all over the world. I think it was some Brit divers who found them in the first place. Cheers mates! You guys all have balls the size of church bells! Sleep well tonight!
Shame? No, I actually don't know any famous celebrities and for the most part don't read about them...However, all the boys and the coach are now rescued from the cavern..And one driver who took the risk did die in the attempt to save others...That to me is a better story than Clooney getting in a minor accident... But if ti were you, Kev, I would be interested :grin:
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He had a crash in California a few years back , some journalist asked if he was gonna quit riding , he stated flatly that motorcycles are his primary form of transportation , so "no" he wasn't going to stop.
Dusty
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I'm not saying you are necessarily trying to shame anyone. I'm just pointing out that's the tone a lot of people who say the same thing (questioning why we seemingly express care about one and not the other) seem to take.
But if ti were you, Kev, I would be interested :grin:
I tried to like this twice... I couldn't. :boozing:
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was the Vespa ok? :rolleyes:
I don't know, but I'll unselfishly volunteer to see to Amal's needs until he's back to 100 percent.
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He was riding his Yamaha X-City.
Here is a link to the story.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/10/europe/george-clooney-scooter-accident-italy-intl/index.html
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I don't know, but I'll unselfishly volunteer to see to Amal's needs until he's back to 100 percent.
Amal? Geez I thought she was a carburetor......... .
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I've talked to fellow forum members at NARs that don't post here because the feel that nobody pays a bit of attention or cares about, or responds to their posts.
I never thought about it but fact? is the human condition seems to require some acknowledgment of a persons contributions to the group.
I tell them that some are just uh...wordy and like to explain things. I am guilty of that for things that fly.
No matter how you cut it this and most likely (this is the only forum I go to) other forums are a bit "cliquey"
That's face it 20,000 posts has got to be close to 5,000 hours of sitting infront of a computer screen!!
Just say'n
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That's face it 20,000 posts has got to be close to 5,000 hours of sitting infront of a computer screen!!
Just say'n
Interesting calculation. Although when I figure that in the time since I've joined Wild Guzzi, I've spent about 438 hours standing patiently waiting to finish peeing, it sort of puts it all in perspective .... and 5,000 hours posting doesn't seem like long ....
Lannis
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5,000 was a conservative estimate based on 15 min per post.
208 days!
We appreciate your insight for sure.....no joke!
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5,000 was a conservative estimate based on 15 min per post.
How's that conservative? I just clicked over here and posted this in about 30 seconds.
But I sit in front of a computer for sometimes 8+ hours a day for work....
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(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/DE90/production/_102467965_clooneybike1_epa.jpg)
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How's that conservative? I just clicked over here and posted this in about 30 seconds.
Well, kirby's calculation made me think about that. I took typing class in high school (because my showing up made the class 15 girls and 1 boy), spent thousands of hours coding on everything from an IBM 026 card punch to a VT-220 on a DEC -, and as a result I can type as fast as just about anyone. This post here (reading yours, typing mine) will take about 4 minutes, which is average for a post for me.
So 23,000 posts in 10 years = 2300 posts a year or about 7+ per day, so maybe 30 - 45 minutes a day posting. So more like 1500 hours in 10 years. I know people my age who watch that much TV in a year, let alone 10, and I haven't had a TV in 30 years .....
Lannis
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"I took typing class in high school (because my showing up made the class 15 girls and 1 boy)..."
I took the same route because I didn't want to take auto shop class and who doesn't want to be the only boy in a class full of girls? I parked my ass in there for an entire year and it was one of my favorite classes!
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"I took typing class in high school (because my showing up made the class 15 girls and 1 boy)..."
I took the same route because I didn't want to take auto shop class and who doesn't want to be the only boy in a class full of girls? I parked my ass in there for an entire year and it was one of my favorite classes!
Exactly! Typing was one of the "Home Economics" sort of thing that girls did. Some of the boys gave me a hard time about it until they realized what the deal was.
I don't know why no one else figured that out, it wasn't like I was the stud hoss of my high school class or anything ....
Lannis
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Ha!
But here's the thing, its not just the typing its how long do you sit in front of the screen WITHOUT typing..if you do.
I timed my usage and once I'm logged on I stay about 15 min average and 85% of the time I post.
If you make your living sitting in front of a screen...my condolences..no offence intended.
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So he hit, or was hit, by a Mercedes Benz. Class, I tell, will always tell. :laugh:
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It's funny how riders are more interested in the type of bike and such rather than the condition of the rider. From the looks of the photo it didn't look too serious, but anytime you go down, especially us old guys, things break that didn't used to. Hope he and the bike are OK!
Who's George Clooney..
Is he that bloke that cured cancer...?
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I hear this a lot too, especially with shyte on FB, like we're supposed to be shamed for giving a crap about a celebrity and not about people we don't know.
But it's basic human nature. We FEEL like we know celebrities - because we literally know their names, their faces, and usually some of their work (which when it's entertainment means we connect with something about them - just like people do about artists, authors, hell politicians for right or wrong, or how about Evel Knievel etc.).
So really there's nothing wrong with giving a crap BECAUSE they are not at the same level of nameless strangers. Granted they're not much more... but it's something more and that's normal, not something to bitch about.
Look, the world's a big place, and I'm sure a lot of people will die today that I don't or won't ever know and I'm not going to likely mourn the normal course of life for the nameless masses.
But at the same time things happen and the world's attention gets drawn to the fate of a few and you get emotionally invested. There's a piece of me that was VERY happy inside when I heard those 12 kids and their coach got out of the caves alive in Thailand today. Well done Thai Navy Seals (RIP the one they lost) and well done the professionals and volunteers from all over the world. I think it was some Brit divers who found them in the first place. Cheers mates! You guys all have balls the size of church bells! Sleep well tonight!
Jeez Kev, that was bloody well put.
I've tried to make that point a few times here and there and never really did it so eloquently..
Good one mate.. :bow: :thumb:
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Amal? Geez I thought she was a carburetor......... .
A major part of me wanted to miss spell that carburettor name very slightly in the interests of childish toilet humour since we're touching obliquely on the needs of his missus, but Dusty WOULD kill me..
But jeez it would be understandable if I did, after all, the first consonant in that name only has to be one letter further on in the alphabet and....
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So he hit, or was hit, by a Mercedes Benz. Class, I tell, will always tell. :laugh:
Not a very "classy" Mercedes IMO. Just a W210 E-Class (1996-2002). They go for cheap here in the US.
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AMAL , as in carburetors is properly pronounced like canal , being noting more than the first two syllables from the word "amalgamated" , so the joke doesn't really work .
Dusty
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A major part of me wanted to miss spell that carburettor name very slightly in the interests of childish toilet humour since we're touching obliquely on the needs of his missus, but Dusty WOULD kill me..
But jeez it would be understandable if I did, after all, the first consonant in that name only has to be one letter further on in the alphabet and....
"but Dusty WOULD kill me"..
Maybe not, I think he knows you have a pretty good sense of humor, and meant no harm.
Dusty also seems to have a good sense of humor, as long as things don't get out of control.
You know, that clap-back, shade throwin', twitter erupting kind of stuff :wink:
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Who's George Clooney..
Is he that bloke that cured cancer...?
Lol, you crack me up Huzo, you definitely have to come to visit me in North Carolina, in good ole US OF A😂
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I've talked to fellow forum members at NARs that don't post here because the feel that nobody pays a bit of attention or cares about, or responds to their posts.
I never thought about it but fact? is the human condition seems to require some acknowledgment of a persons contributions to the group.
I tell them that some are just uh...wordy and like to explain things. I am guilty of that for things that fly.
No matter how you cut it this and most likely (this is the only forum I go to) other forums are a bit "cliquey"
That's face it 20,000 posts has got to be close to 5,000 hours of sitting infront of a computer screen!!
Just say'n
If I'd rather see a thread go away, all I have to do is make a comment. Call me "Thread Killer" Kirby???? who is that guy anyway????
And I don't have much sympathy for George........sorry .
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Lol, you crack me up Huzo, you definitely have to come to visit me in North Carolina, in good ole US OF A😂
I'll be chowing down on a hamburger outside the gate @ Cedar Vale
Also.
I'll admit to being a little embarrassed, now I remember him..
He's that guy who's mates with Harvey Weinstein, Kevin Spacey and that guy from Shawshank Redemption.
Ummm.....
Oh yeah, Morgan Freeman. (Pillars of the community).. :wink:
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unlike so many scooter riders, Geo had his gear on. :thumb:
His helmet was broken.
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His helmet was broken.
Yes but in the interests of full disclosure.
Early details are sketchy as we go to press, but it seems the helmet wasn't damaged in the crash. Dear old George caught a glimpse of his reflection in a puddle and the consequent swelling of his cranium took the shell of the AGV past it's design limits.
I'm glad he wasn't hurt though, popular cinema would never be the same without such classics as "Up in the Air" and the likes.
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unlike so many scooter riders, Geo had his gear on. :thumb:
His helmet was broken.
Where's a stunt man when you need one? Hope his hair is all right, geewizz. thankfully he didn't trash a nice guzzi.
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The reports I heard said he was going 60 mph when he collided with the car.
After seeing the damage to the car and the scooter (or lack thereof), I think the speed was MUCH lower.
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The reports I heard said he was going 60 mph when he collided with the car.
After seeing the damage to the car and the scooter (or lack thereof), I think the speed was MUCH lower.
My thoughts exactly. Probably 60 kph................ ................... .................35 -40 mph
Paul B :boozing:
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And now you can watch the surveillance video of the actual crash:
https://video.corriere.it/incidente-george-clooney-ecco-momento-dell-impatto/fa512762-847f-11e8-a3ad-a03e04fe079c?refresh_ce-cp
Link is from this MSN story:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/celebrity/video-shows-moment-of-clooney-crash-actor-thrown-in-air/ar-AAzPI7k?ocid=spartandhp
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Damn, he ran right into him.
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Damn, he ran right into him.
A classic left turn in front of the cycle.
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He was definitely moving at a pretty good clip
interesting the other scooter went between the car and the parked truck.
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A classic left turn in front of the cycle.
I see the car being stopped ,partly turned, before Clooney ran into it...As mentioned, the other rider made it past the car...Looks to me he failed to turn to the right most likely because he is unfamiliar with scooter handling...Or excessive speed.
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I see the car being stopped ,partly turned, before Clooney ran into it...As mentioned, the other rider made it past the car...Looks to me he failed to turn to the right most likely because he is unfamiliar with scooter handling...Or excessive speed.
I see a car stopped on the wrong side of the road taking up more than half of the lane only a split second or so before Clooney (riding staggered toward the middle of the road) fails to swerve into a seemingly narrow gap between the side of said car (stopped in his lane) and the truck that is waiting to enter traffic. The fact that the rider just ahead and to the right of him managed the swerve only tells us that is was POSSIBLE for THAT scooter/bike to make it and little more.
Speeds of the two riders seemed similar as best as can be judged from the video.
Screen shots:
Normal traffic flow showing lane that the offending Mercedes will incorrectly stop in:
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Mercedes approaching turn in its own lane:
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Mercedes incorrectly stopped in/occupying oncoming lane as first scooter rider approaches in right stagger, right before he swerves through gap:
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Right before collision:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/C0Cg8q8aAY-15sx1mr-BmVAO2wzVhYRPe-nMkkIa7x_NJtaDrbDNODIJG40zxXBy4nMstatfmZS8B8wCzDdIHCU70UoMXI29tPMfr6U6xpZoYs7DBVfCAOq33yTL-6-9pA9Ahm0VWtALScwPvlO5vhckWDyfFH8Z85j51eJ1KnjxdOBt2Kp_eJ1sDV24wEmaHVb-AMa20Y4w_jorszH5pgS82FPTS-10DqT-XNUK_gajR3gIyXTD0SVavRvVk1Ti5cULycMijFGKz6YbhxbQmy_SWfRHLjmqnAayo2w_7MURLd_QZmBR2Yse8rm_uG1RiP1_a9EtLqf8vZpVN8QB0SP_oDbtUJSIvfty4qpRM8MaExWKMaWeHcfK8b9z9cl1lAzfUX9wnHQK2Hc6XUGauPRKMeZ9zbb0OPuIhP09lJNp-T_mIZq7X35fylLGm2CXfkBVNpwDzWfUk1XX0aKHkYkUcW7Q7BLAL7DDppgXTmDPLFP1GhlJljgXykcfK7XyfGzgyrFXS5kgGZrbqhCzUJc5IYuVgEP47o41pi_l6d9eVR5EaZftpYxkrjSW60Q1yIum-f5kwEuRpy9pH9o2c9MTPd4I7v4wUs4F0vXXqc9oDFeoW9EQ_2Xh3Tp2zW_44_IK8OznA_FpWDtVtuU-XQT59fOxJRwPVA=w866-h550-no)
Not having any other information regarding speed, speed limit, expected traffic patterns, line of sight approaching intersection etc. I'm not going to make any other SWAGs on what Clooney could or couldn't have done. Maybe he could have swerved too, maybe he was already too far left. Just can't say.
What we can say with conviction is that the Mercedes shouldn't have pulled into and stopped in an oncoming lane of traffic. That seems pretty clear unless there's some bizarre difference with Italian driving laws of which I'm unaware.
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Agree: that video looks a lot closer to 60 kph than 60 mph.
As much fun as arm-chair quarterbacking is, based on what I'm seeing I have no idea if he (or I in his shoes) could have avoided or not. Even with slo-mo. Looked like he was too far left (looks around 3 ft? left of the 1st rider) to make that swerve/angle. I suppose he could have tried going on the left of the car but that is likely to create other crash potentials and not where natural split second instincts would take you (unless you're Brit or a Kiwi ;) )
The Mercedes obviously shouldn't have been in the oncoming lane. That 1st person through had a pucker moment.
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Amal? Geez I thought she was a carburetor......... .
Or in this case one of England’s leading human rights lawyers, who was doing high profile work before she met George, and who has continued to do so since. A very bright and able person.
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Just read that George Clooney was "...hit on his motorbike..." on his way to a film set in Italy. He lives on the shores of Lake Como, not far from the Guzzi headquarters.
I love the Euro use of the term "motorbike", it makes them all sound like mopeds.
Wonder if he was on a Guzzi?
We’ve had a spate of two-wheeled crime in London. The bad guys ride things like 350 trail bikes, but the press will keep referring to them as mopeds. I keep imagining them as outrunning the police pursuit vehicles on NSU Quicklys.