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Title: Oshkosh pix because Dusty sez so..
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on July 31, 2018, 06:45:46 PM
Scale B17. Yes, the guy built it and flew it to OSH from Illinois. Obviously,  too much time on his hands.  :smiley:
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/836/43614550721_cd7882b1ed_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29s4Yqr)2018-07-24_11-38-24 (https://flic.kr/p/29s4Yqr) by Charles Stottlemyer (https://www.flickr.com/photos/107188298@N06/), on Flickr
The Black fly prototype. Has several hours of flight time with a human piloting it. Vertical take off and landing. (!)
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/935/43564181752_b8b0df639c_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29nBPtW)2018-07-24_08-44-10 (https://flic.kr/p/29nBPtW) by Charles Stottlemyer (https://www.flickr.com/photos/107188298@N06/), on Flickr
I flew the simulator, and it was intuitive and easy to fly. Possibly a breakthrough? Time will tell.
More as Flickr loads.
Title: Re: Oshkosh pix because Dusty sez so..
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on July 31, 2018, 07:01:32 PM
Military stuff, of course..
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1794/41963914950_0882b98a3e_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/26Wd2V1)2018-07-31_07-43-26 (https://flic.kr/p/26Wd2V1) by Charles Stottlemyer (https://www.flickr.com/photos/107188298@N06/), on Flickr
A Sopwith 1 1/2 strutter. Typical aircraft woodwork.  :thumb:
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This is a "modern" cnc manufactured Gnome rotary engine. People are recreating some WW1 aeroplanes, and need a powerplant. The rotaries run at full throttle. There is no carburetor. engine speed is controlled by cutting off ignition to 2 or more cylinders. You can hear that happening here..
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1774/43056327354_4607e318d0_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28AJW4C)VID_20180725_110443766 (https://flic.kr/p/28AJW4C) by Charles Stottlemyer (https://www.flickr.com/photos/107188298@N06/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Oshkosh pix because Dusty sez so..
Post by: Gliderjohn on July 31, 2018, 07:04:58 PM
Thanks for the pictures. Wish I was there. Is the b-29 "Doc"?
GliderJohn
Title: Re: Oshkosh pix because Dusty sez so..
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on July 31, 2018, 07:06:54 PM
Thanks for the pictures. Wish I was there. Is the b-29 "Doc"?
GliderJohn

Yeah, Doc was flying all week, along with uncounted warbirds.
Title: Re: Oshkosh pix because Dusty sez so..
Post by: oldbike54 on July 31, 2018, 07:35:05 PM
 Thanks Chuckie  :bow:

 Dusty
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Post by: Guzzistajohn on July 31, 2018, 07:52:35 PM
cool stuff chuckles
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Post by: twowings on July 31, 2018, 08:43:11 PM
Sweet!  :thumb:
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Post by: Shorty on July 31, 2018, 09:39:52 PM
 :thumb:
Title: Re: Oshkosh pix because Dusty sez so..
Post by: fotoguzzi on July 31, 2018, 10:19:11 PM
got a link to that Scale B17? or other info? my Dad was the lead navigator of a squadron of them flying from N America to England and flew 26 missions with one emergency landing on a grass field in France. they all survived.. I'd like to show him some more info on the guy who would build such a thing..
Title: Re: Oshkosh pix because Dusty sez so..
Post by: nc43bsa on August 01, 2018, 12:11:09 AM
Digital videography does weird things to the prop in that video.
Title: Re: Oshkosh pix because Dusty sez so..
Post by: Zoom Zoom on August 01, 2018, 06:15:12 AM
It's cool that rotary engines are being reproduced. They have a unique sound. I would imagine all that rotating mass would make a plane snap quickly to one side while hampering its ability to roll quickly to the other side. (Torque) I was fortunate to hear some rotaries run at Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome a few years back. Rhinebeck should be on anybodies bucket list that likes aviation and old planes that still get flown.

John Henry
Title: Re: Oshkosh pix because Dusty sez so..
Post by: nobleswood on August 01, 2018, 06:23:08 AM
That looks like a great weekend. Do you have any more pictures ?  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Oshkosh pix because Dusty sez so..
Post by: chuck peterson on August 01, 2018, 06:28:44 AM
Great stuff! Thanks!
Title: Re: Oshkosh pix because Dusty sez so..
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on August 01, 2018, 06:39:04 AM
got a link to that Scale B17? or other info? my Dad was the lead navigator of a squadron of them flying from N America to England and flew 26 missions with one emergency landing on a grass field in France. they all survived.. I'd like to show him some more info on the guy who would build such a thing..

This should get you started, Brad..
https://www.eaa.org/en/airventure/eaa-airventure-news-and-multimedia/eaa-airventure-news/eaa-airventure-oshkosh/05-17-2018-scale-replica-b-17-coming-to-airventure
Title: Re: Oshkosh pix because Dusty sez so..
Post by: hidn45 on August 01, 2018, 06:39:12 AM
That's some cool stuff, Chuck!  Thanx!

Not sure why someone would call such an interesting craft the "Black Fly"....  Bit of a negative connotation to me, 'tho easily overlooked if I could get some seat time in it!  My understanding is it's an electric ultralight?  So no license?  Sounds VERY interesting!

Thanks again!
Title: Re: Oshkosh pix because Dusty sez so..
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on August 01, 2018, 06:59:04 AM
That's some cool stuff, Chuck!  Thanx!

Not sure why someone would call such an interesting craft the "Black Fly"....  Bit of a negative connotation to me, 'tho easily overlooked if I could get some seat time in it!  My understanding is it's an electric ultralight?  So no license?  Sounds VERY interesting!

Thanks again!

Yes, it is an ultralight. Limited to 62 mph by regulation. 80 something in Canada, eh? Don't get me started on that "everyman's flying car" thing, though. I see way too many idiots that can't even keep a car between the lines on the road  :evil: much less adding a third dimension.  :smiley:
I love the concept, however. I'm sure I couldn't have sat in a VR simulator for a helicopter for more than a few seconds without it ending up on it's side beating itself to death. :grin: This was *easy* to fly. Comparatively inexpensive to anything else that has the capability of vertical take off/landing.
Practical? Not yet.
Title: Re: Oshkosh pix because Dusty sez so..
Post by: brider on August 01, 2018, 07:22:05 AM
This is a "modern" cnc manufactured Gnome rotary engine. People are recreating some WW1 aeroplanes, and need a powerplant. The rotaries run at full throttle.

Anyone remember this, the rotary-engine motorcycle?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megola
Title: Re: Oshkosh pix because Dusty sez so..
Post by: John A on August 01, 2018, 07:23:05 AM
I was hoping to see a Storch with a Guzzi engine. There must not be many built
Title: Re: Oshkosh pix because Dusty sez so..
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on August 01, 2018, 07:48:40 AM
I was hoping to see a Storch with a Guzzi engine. There must not be many built

There is not much innovation any more. I guess it is related to the dumbing down of the country in general.. there are seas of "kit built" airplanes where all the thinking is done for you.
The last Storch light aircraft I remember seeing at OSH was maybe 10 years ago, and it had a Rotax in it. Friends don't let friends fly two strokes.. :evil: :boozing: The only Guzzi I've ever seen was driving the prop through the transmission. (!) Not a good idea..
Title: Re: Oshkosh pix because Dusty sez so..
Post by: John A on August 01, 2018, 08:10:51 AM
There used to be a company called Arizona Airscrew that either had a gear reduction for Guzzis or tried to run a prop off the cam, a screwy idea too
Title: Re: Oshkosh pix because Dusty sez so..
Post by: Trialsman on August 01, 2018, 11:57:42 AM
My two sons and I rode up from Milwaukee on Saturday to see the airshow. We didn’t go in this year but parked the bikes on the other side of Whitman. The”box” was right overhead. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180801/381263d2b83549910a3099f92cd81093.jpg)
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Title: Re: Oshkosh pix because Dusty sez so..
Post by: Gliderjohn on August 01, 2018, 07:34:59 PM
Great pics! :thumb:
GliderJohn
Title: Re: Oshkosh pix because Dusty sez so..
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on August 01, 2018, 07:39:17 PM
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Not sure why someone would call such an interesting craft the "Black Fly"....

The proof of concept vehicle was all black, and pretty crude looking. I didn't think to take a picture of it.
Title: Re: Oshkosh pix because Dusty sez so..
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on August 01, 2018, 07:48:05 PM
Imagine you are Glen Curtiss, and decide to bolt this sucker on to a bicycle and go for a world's speed record. And succeed. Gotta be big cajones involved.  :grin:
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Title: Re: Oshkosh pix because Dusty sez so..
Post by: John A on August 02, 2018, 07:57:12 AM
Imagine you are Glen Curtiss, and decide to bolt this sucker on to a bicycle and go for a world's speed record. And succeed. Gotta be big cajones involved.  :grin:
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I'd be the pit crew on that!  :grin:
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Post by: brider on August 02, 2018, 08:01:59 AM
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Is that a P-38???!!!
Title: Re: Oshkosh pix because Dusty sez so..
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on August 02, 2018, 09:30:06 AM
Need I say more than outrageous? :)


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Title: Re: Oshkosh pix because Dusty sez so..
Post by: RinkRat II on August 02, 2018, 09:51:34 AM

                 
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Is that a P-38???!!!
     Looks to be but at that angle,  I can't see the cockpit. all else looks right tho................

         Paul B :boozing:
Title: Re: Oshkosh pix because Dusty sez so..
Post by: Gliderjohn on August 02, 2018, 11:27:40 AM
I agree it is a P-38. You can see the air intake bulges on the booms right behind the wing.
GliderJohn
Title: Re: Oshkosh pix because Dusty sez so..
Post by: hidn45 on August 02, 2018, 12:36:57 PM
The proof of concept vehicle was all black, and pretty crude looking. I didn't think to take a picture of it.

Around here & points north blackfly is a 4 letter word, especially in the spring....  ;^)   But like I said, I'd be willing to overlook the moniker - this thing is just kewl!

i think I may be the target demographic for these - 25 mile rural/ urban commute, no license but pass the test & take the training, amphibious too - I think I want one....  I'd build a "solar shed" for it like they show in the propaganda foto's, but taking up 2 parking spaces at work might be an issue....  Well, that and the $$....

You said the sim was intuitive & "easy" - single stick?

Some REALLY neat stuff out there - my Dad always wanted to go to the Fly-In, never got there, mebbe one day I'll get there, for old times' sake....  I'd like to see a P-38 in the flesh.
Title: Re: Oshkosh pix because Dusty sez so..
Post by: Gliderjohn on August 02, 2018, 07:37:43 PM
You may be right Mike. Those engines do look a bit fat for inlines. The booms sure look like they are from a P-38.
GliderJohn
Title: Re: Oshkosh pix because Dusty sez so..
Post by: Trialsman on August 02, 2018, 08:11:55 PM
Not a P-38.  My son said it was two Extras (?) merged together.  It was extremely loud and we figured there was a jet engine of some sort built in as well.  If you look carefully you can see it in the middle.  It had the sound of a ram jet and could easily do a tail stand with power to spare.  I would have liked to see it up close.
Title: Re: Oshkosh pix because Dusty sez so..
Post by: Tusayan on August 03, 2018, 09:21:50 AM
There has been quite a bit of press on the twin Yak

http://inspire.eaa.org/2017/11/30/because-they-could/