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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: gearman on August 14, 2018, 06:35:43 PM
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I am having balance issues and am wondering if a different ride would give me more confidence.The bergs are about the weight as the Guzzi but maybe the cg is lower on the berg.I have to have an automatic tranny. Ideas?
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seriously not trying to seem mean but with balance issues, is any 2 wheeler safe? Having said that a Bergman is a good option.
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You are not mean. I have been asking myself the same questions. Thats why I built the two trikes,but they really dont float my boat, Thanks
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Had both, the scooter is better.
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If you want to ride and not wrench,get the Burgman. Burgman will have better storage, easier mount/dismount,better options for any electronics you may want. Guzzi has better handling at speed, but not in the parking lot. A 400cc Burgman will run at about the same speed as the Connie. Burgman will have better weather protection. You can park the Burgman for longer periods of time without clogging up the fuel system.
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Even a old Bergman is a hunnerd years newer than a Connie. My bro in law has a Bergman as well as a Goldwing which he never rides now. I'm impressed at how well that little scooter keeps up and it's easy to ride. It's not for me though, I'm scared to death on it.
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Piaggio MP ?
Dusty
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I'm a tech for a multi line dealership including Suzuki. The Burgmans give us very little trouble. But they are a supreme pain to do any repairs to just because of the body work. If you do your own maintenance invest in a shop manual. There is a sequence for removing the plastics and you just can't do it any other way. That said, they ask very little of the owner. I've only seen one engine failure and that was on a 400 with lots of miles, being ridden on the freeway in the heat.
The 400 has a lower seat height and is considerably lighter; two things that might be better for your situation. But the 650 is much more capable on the highway and is the only one to choose for two up if that's in your plans.
As far as c of g is concerned I've never sat on a Convert so I can't compare but if I were you I'd try to find someone with a Burgy that will let you take it for at least a short ride. Or even if you could straddle one off the stand. I'm 5-7, 30" inseam, 150lbs and 59 years old. I find the 650's a bit of a handful at low speeds.
Ken
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If you like the motorcycle stance I would check out the Aprilia Mana. Not very heavy and pretty easy to work on.
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If you like the motorcycle stance I would check out the Aprilia Mana. Not very heavy and pretty easy to work on.
Actually Steve they're as heavy as buggery! They just don't feel it particularly because the fuel is under your bum. In this case though I wouldn't recommend one for the simple reason their seat height is quite tall and it sounds as if the OP is looking for something low.
Pete
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The 650 is more capable of a ride than the 400. Lower cg for both. Rode both and the 650 has the power edge for long distance and packing a passenger/groceries/camp gear. :thumb:
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Well for 14 years now I've always had a scooter in the garage with my motorcycles and actually end up putting more miles on the scoots. I started with a 600 silverwing but like the burgmans I didn't like all the bulk and my piaggio/vespa have been at least as reliable as anything Asian. However with balance issues I'd look at that tri-king or just get a Miata. That would be my choice.
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I currently own a 2013 Burgman 650 that I bought new in 2014. The bike currently has 20k miles on it and was my daily commuter rain or shine, until I retired a couple of months ago. The only thing I've had to do on the bike were tires, and basic maintenance. It drives just as nice today as the day I drove it out of the dealership. It will do over 100 mph and smoke most cars in acceleration. I installed a large Givi top-box and that along with the large under seat storage, allow it to carry lots of stuff. I've often told folks if I could only own 1 bike it would be the Burgman, especially if I was just going to ride around town. Although I've ridden the Burg long distance on the interstate I find it a bit uncomfortable after about and hour, so I usually ride one of my other bikes when I go long distances. But when I need to run around town the Burg can't be beat.
Something to consider if you decide to get a Burgman and are trying to decide between 400 or 650. The 650 has a CVT that is much like what you'll find in a CVT car. The belt has metal links and is made to last pretty much the life of the scooter and the CVT is control by a computer. The 400 uses the typical scooter CVT rubber belt and weights, that need replacing after so many miles. So the 650 needs less maintenance, unless something fails inside the 650's CVT, at which point the bike nearly needs to be disassemble to remove the CVT to fix it.
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If your thinking burgman take a look at the Piaggo bv350....16" wheels, goes 90
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It begins to make the burgman look a little frumpy w small wheels
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Definitely my around town go to...I have 23k on a 250 version.
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Here you go...way overpriced. It'll sit there unsold. Everyone wants a burgman! Lol...
https://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/mcy/d/2015-piaggio-bv350/6665036636.html
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How about a tilting trike?
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How about a tilting trike?
Is that an inside joke? :grin:
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Maybe we should clarify the problem . Are you having balance or strength issues ? Maybe you should address whatever problem you are having instead of worrying about what type of motorbike will solve the issue , because no matter what type of 2 wheeler you choose won't really matter until you fix the underlying problem .
Dusty
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Maybe we should clarify the problem . Are you having balance or strength issues ? Maybe you should address whatever problem you are having instead of worrying about what type of motorbike will solve the issue , because no matter what type of 2 wheeler you choose won't really matter until you fix the underlying problem .
Dusty
You may be right.I have nph and had a shunt put in two years ago. It helped but I never was back to normal.My doc doesn't know whats wrong.The brain is a mystery to medicine for the most part.I AM 71 YO.
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a lower COG matters, a lot, but so does absolute weight and as scooters go, Burgman�s tend to be on the heavy side. You might want to look at the large frame Vespas. I have the 200cc variant, it tops out at 75MPH and feels positively feathery compared to my V7 (which isn�t really heavy for a bike)
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Fellas , I had some serious balance issues , it doesn't matter whether it is a MoPed or a Gold Wing , the motorcycle can't solve the problem .
Sorry Gearman , I know you really want to ride , and it is truly unfortunate that balance problems are preventing you from doing so , but until you get that problem sorted my best advice is stay away from anything that will fall over .
Dusty
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What Chuck P. said about the wheel size is why I don't like the Bergman. the small wheels make it feel scary to me. probly get used to it, but its not for me. There is a lot that can be causing balance problems, maybe there are some adaptive techniques that can help you ride. don't quit but make sure you can do it safely
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Rider 33 , the Vespa and V7 look absolutely beautiful together. The Vespa in black sure looks stunning! :thumb:
Rick.
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Mechanically the Burgman is excellent. But the seating position was a deal breaker for me. I just cant' do the 'foot forward' seating. Traditional scooter seating works better for me. Vespa!!
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A former Guzzi rider bought a 650 Burgman and ended up completing an iron butt on it when he in his upper 60s or so. He thought the seating was great. Each to their own.
GliderJohn
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Is that an inside joke? :grin:
Check it out. http://www.tiltingmotorworks.com/
Also the new Yamaha https://www.yamahamotorsports.com/sport-touring/models/niken
Just about any bike can be converted to automatic.
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Piaggio MP3 would cost less. https://www.ebay.com/itm/PIAGGIO-MP3-500-SPORT-3-WHEEL-2018-MOTORCYCLE-SCOOTER-ABS-GREEN-585-MILES-MINT-/253807930990
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Piaggio MP3 would cost less. https://www.ebay.com/itm/PIAGGIO-MP3-500-SPORT-3-WHEEL-2018-MOTORCYCLE-SCOOTER-ABS-GREEN-585-MILES-MINT-/253807930990
I test rode this at a dealer. I hated it.It did not feel like a motorcycle to me.I could not get back to the dealer soon enough.But it maybe just be me. Fifty five years of bike riding.
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a lower COG matters, a lot, but so does absolute weight and as scooters go, Burgman�s tend to be on the heavy side. You might want to look at the large frame Vespas. I have the 200cc variant, it tops out at 75MPH and feels positively feathery compared to my V7 (which isn�t really heavy for a bike)
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Both rides are pretty. I have a friend who has a black 150 Vespa like yours. I rode it a few years ago. He tells me that he doesn't feel safe over 55mph.
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Three wheeler
I plan on going sidecar first then adult trike when I have to give up my license.
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My biggest problem will be getting a leg over it and not forgetting how wide it is.
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I test rode this at a dealer. I hated it.It did not feel like a motorcycle to me.I could not get back to the dealer soon enough.But it maybe just be me. Fifty five years of bike riding.
I like the bigger engine because there is no axle between the front wheels, it's more tractable on uneven surfaces. I usually hold the throttle open and work the brakes for quicker acceleration. I didn't expect it to be a motorcycle but then again I have scooters in the fleet too. Sidecar set-up?
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Three wheeler
I plan on going sidecar first then adult trike when I have to give up my license.
(https://www.cyclechat.net/attachments/tricycle-association-slide-show-3-980x400-jpg.314263/)
My biggest problem will be getting a leg over it and not forgetting how wide it is.
OH! You are supposed to lean to THAT side in a turn? :grin:
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You do the same with a hack.
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Guzzi riding geezer to Newfoundland by Burgman (heading out tomorrow). No, I haven't suddenly become mentally or physically infirm - the Burgman is simply the best and most comfortable two-up long distance tourer in my stable. And yes it rockets up to 100mph + in a blink. I'm oddly excited about it. Especially the return trip which may be the long way round...
Nick
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Guzzi riding geezer to Newfoundland by Burgman (heading out tomorrow). No, I haven't suddenly become mentally or physically infirm - the Burgman is simply the best and most comfortable two-up long distance tourer in my stable. And yes it rockets up to 100mph + in a blink. I'm oddly excited about it. Especially the return trip which may be the long way round...
Nick
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Beautiful bike :grin:
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Guzzi riding geezer to Newfoundland by Burgman (heading out tomorrow). No, I haven't suddenly become mentally or physically infirm - the Burgman is simply the best and most comfortable two-up long distance tourer in my stable. And yes it rockets up to 100mph + in a blink. I'm oddly excited about it. Especially the return trip which may be the long way round...
Nick
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Y o u c a n t t o u r w i t h t h a t d o n t y o u k n o w.....!?!? :popcorn:
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Just to add another data point in the capable large scooter department....
Yamaha Tmax....sport spec suspension and brakes on these models, and a complete sales flop.
https://westernmass.craigslist.org/mcy/d/2016-yamaha-max-tmax/6672320723.html
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Just to add another data point in the capable large scooter department....
Yamaha Tmax....sport spec suspension and brakes on these models, and a complete sales flop.
https://westernmass.craigslist.org/mcy/d/2016-yamaha-max-tmax/6672320723.html
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At that price, I can see why it was a sales flop.
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Y o u c a n t t o u r w i t h t h a t d o n t y o u k n o w.....!?!? :popcorn:
Apparently you can Chuck. Already 120 miles this morning before breakfast at a steady 70 mph. Smooth and comfortable.
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... I have a friend who has a black 150 Vespa like yours. I rode it a few years ago. He tells me that he doesn't feel safe over 55mph.
thanks. Keep in mind the 150�s are the small frame, �very different. The large frames were introduced about ten years ago as their touring models (grandturismo) and are quite a bit larger. I actually enjoy passing sports cars on the freeway with it, they drop their frappe-lapa-chinos and get this WTF look.
Then again, I am nuts.
https://www.motorcyclistonline.com/2007-vespa-granturismo-review
PS- at the moment I’m fortunate to own 5 bikes, the Vespa, a V7, a Road King, a Ural, and a DR650. All of them have their charms and their place but when it comes to straight-up comfort, the Vespa wins, fast enough to be fun (faster than most cars up to about 50, much to their surprise) yet light and maneuverable. It also seems to be cut perfectly for my 6’2” frame. I don’t think I’ll be taking it out to Montana anytime soon but for around the city duty, it’s tops.
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Gearman, I don't know where you're located, but this seems a reasonable option, in Chicago
http://www.motoworkschicago.com/default.asp?page=xPreOwnedInventoryDetail&id=5705644&p=1&s=Year&d=A&t=preowned&fr=xPreOwnedInventory
'09 Burgman 650, $3500 ask
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I am in New orleans. My son lives in chicago though.This is a nice one with abs and electric mirrors.I was thinking I wanted a white one. Black is pretty though but show the dirt. I found a white one also.
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Total mileage for the day: 683 (1100 kms). The Burgman is a wonderful motorcycle....bette r than many actually, and fun and comfortable to ride. The only let down is the minimal fuel tank (15 litres) which gives considerably less than 200 mile range.
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Total mileage for the day: 683 (1100 kms). The Burgman is a wonderful motorcycle....bette r than many actually, and fun and comfortable to ride. The only let down is the minimal fuel tank (15 litres) which gives considerably less than 200 mile range.
(https://thumb.ibb.co/gk1V8K/20180816_135444.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gk1V8K)
Can you see with those low mirrors?
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Can you see with those low mirrors?
No problem. My fingertips are visible at the top of the mirror. Everything else is clear rear view.
edit...and for anyone shoter than my 6'2' they would be completely clear rear view
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Late to the party but is a CanAm out of the question?
Don’t hate, just asking.
inditx
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Total mileage for the day: 683 (1100 kms). The Burgman is a wonderful motorcycle....bette r than many actually, and fun and comfortable to ride. The only let down is the minimal fuel tank (15 litres) which gives considerably less than 200 mile range.
(https://thumb.ibb.co/gk1V8K/20180816_135444.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gk1V8K)
I don't know if I could ride something I couldn't grip with my legs.
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Something the wife told me once. 😱😁
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Total mileage for the day: 683 (1100 kms). The Burgman is a wonderful motorcycle....bette r than many actually, and fun and comfortable to ride. The only let down is the minimal fuel tank (15 litres) which gives considerably less than 200 mile range.
(https://thumb.ibb.co/gk1V8K/20180816_135444.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gk1V8K)
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Only 683? See what I mean you can't even get a decent 700 mile day in... :popcorn:
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Beating a dead horse one more time, here is the Piaggo BV model but in a used 500cc version. Nice and at the right price, too..probably can't do a 700 mile day on this either.... :grin:
https://vermont.craigslist.org/mcy/d/piaggio-bv500/6672857845.html
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Fellas , I had some serious balance issues , it doesn't matter whether it is a MoPed or a Gold Wing , the motorcycle can't solve the problem .
Sorry Gearman , I know you really want to ride , and it is truly unfortunate that balance problems are preventing you from doing so , but until you get that problem sorted my best advice is stay away from anything that will fall over .
Dusty
Exactly... The older scooters feel very scary to me , like sitting on a chair rather than feeling part of the machine. Maybe newer scooters are different.......... ........
I'm in good shape for 71 but I would be fooling myself to think my riding skills haven't deteriorated ever so slightly. I notice slow speed riding on the limited steering lock Monster are just a bit challenging. On the other hand, riding the 79 Triumph that weighs the same as the Ducati, It feels like an experienced dance partner at low speeds...Hmmmm If the OP can kick start a bike, an old Brit might be the ticket...And you'll always be busy working on it... :grin:
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Total mileage for the day: 683 (1100 kms). The Burgman is a wonderful motorcycle....bette r than many actually, and fun and comfortable to ride. The only let down is the minimal fuel tank (15 litres) which gives considerably less than 200 mile range.
(https://thumb.ibb.co/gk1V8K/20180816_135444.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gk1V8K)
I get 52 mpg with my Burg 650 in the summer time, and about 49 mpg in the winter, here in the Phoenix area. It will get more than 200 miles on a full tank.
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I would think pigtail Mp3