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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: aschem on August 30, 2018, 09:01:18 AM
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Received email from Moto Guzzi mentioning a new V9 Bobber Sport to be unveiled during open house in September. Also received one teaser picture of it with Ohlins on the rear. Looking forward to seeing more pictures of it next month.
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Received email from Moto Guzzi mentioning a new V9 Bobber Sport to be unveiled during open house in September. Also received one teaser picture of it with Ohlins on the rear. Looking forward to seeing more pictures of it next month.
Cool! Can't wait!
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(https://thumb.ibb.co/mGKMdU/2019_Moto_Guzzi_V9_Bobber_Sport_1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mGKMdU)
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I'll bite. I loved my former Roamer. But is a new paint scheme and Ohlins shocks gonna get more people to buy one?
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I'll bite. I loved my former Roamer. But is a new paint scheme and Ohlins shocks gonna get more people to buy one?
but you're forgetting that little screen thingy in front of the speedo...
Hows it doing in Europe? Maybe this is in response to a stronger presence in that market.
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A V9 with the V7 tank & seat, rear sets & a shorter wheel base would be just fine.
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Looking forward to seeing more pictures of the Bobber sport.
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seat looks real comfy :rolleyes:
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Guzzi needs to add better forks to all the small blocks.
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They should have went the rest of the way with USD cartridge forks up front.
My local dealer has cleared all his '17 V7s this past month and a few of the '18s have sold, but the '17 V9 bobber with a $2000 discount is still sitting there. I'll bet you could have it for $8000 out the door if you show up with cash.
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How can they call that "Sport" with that lump of a front tire still on it? Sounds like Harley marketing to me.
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How can they call that "Sport" with that lump of a front tire still on it? Sounds like Harley marketing to me.
That makes it sportier than the Roamer. :azn: Have you ridden one or are you judging only by looks and preconceived notions?
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Guzzi needs to add better forks to all the small blocks.
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I never thought my two V7s nor my Roamer had "handling" issues. The bikes are what they are and wonderful as that. Go buy a superduke if ya want more. Butt if someone would have asked me how I thought handling could be improved I would have said start absolutely with the front forks.
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I never thought my two V7s nor my Roamer had "handling" issues. The bikes are what they are and wonderful as that. Go buy a superduke if ya want more. Butt if someone would have asked me how I thought handling could be improved I would have said start absolutely with the front forks.
I want superduke handling with half the HP. Why is it that manufacturers only put quality suspension components on powerful motorcycles. A well sorted Ninja 300 is going to go around tight curves as fast as a stock ZX10R. I want to know when I lean the bike over in a curve and the pavement is less than perfect that the bike won't wallow and run the risk of the tire losing traction. That is the main job of suspension, keep the tire in contact with the road surface.
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"most" people don't want to pay the $$$$ premium for the top shelf suspension.
The OEMs can keep the pricepoint low by installing bargain basement suspension.
I, and other riders who RIDE, know the difference and are willing to pay the premium.
Guzzi should offer a "sport" version of every bike which includes Ohlins on both ends..
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"most" people don't want to pay the $$$$ premium for the top shelf suspension.
The OEMs can keep the pricepoint low by installing bargain basement suspension.
I, and other riders who RIDE, know the difference and are willing to pay the premium.
Guzzi should offer a "sport" version of every bike which includes Ohlins on both ends..
I traded my Concours 1400 that I put 30,000 miles on for a Triumph Trophy SE. I never missed the HP, and the Triumph with it's computer controlled suspension settings was much easier to ride fast on curvy roads. Of course it MSRP'd for $5k more than the Connie. Not many people are going to pull over and adjust the suspension because they just came off a nice set of curves and now have to ride less than stellar pavement to get back home. Having the electronically adjustable suspension definitely spoiled me.
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Guzzi needs to add better forks to all the small blocks.
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It’s not to expensive to drop in the Matris kit and have compliant fully adjustable forks.
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It�s not to expensive to drop in the Matris kit and have compliant fully adjustable forks.
Do you have a link? All I see on AF1 is adjustable preload kits from Matris. Don't see anything with compression and rebound damping adjustments.
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FWIW, I've never had to change any suspension on any motorcycle I've ever owned, except for replacing an air shock on a 1986 Kawasaki 454 LTD, and that was only because they were leaking. YMMV, but I've never felt the need and I ride in some pretty nasty conditions on a regular basis. I learned other tricks like oil viscosity in forks, etc to alleviate. Heck, I even live on a 3 mile long gravel road and still have never felt the need.
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FWIW, I've never had to change any suspension on any motorcycle I've ever owned, except for replacing an air shock on a 1986 Kawasaki 454 LTD, and that was only because they were leaking. YMMV, but I've never felt the need and I ride in some pretty nasty conditions on a regular basis. I learned other tricks like oil viscosity in forks, etc to alleviate. Heck, I even live on a 3 mile long gravel road and still have never felt the need.
Whenever I post that I can't see what the fuss is about, like seat, front forks etc.. on bikes like mine, I'm told...
"If it works for you, great... "blah blah
But really, I have never altered my forks in the Norge after 10 years and 155,000 k, and the whole thing works beautifully.
And an 87 kg rider is the same anywhere in the world.
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Is anyone else getting tired of satin/matt paint? That deep red would look so good with a gloss finish. I hope they dropped the checkerboard graphics, if so I'll give it a test ride.
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FWIW, I've never had to change any suspension on any motorcycle I've ever owned, except for replacing an air shock on a 1986 Kawasaki 454 LTD, and that was only because they were leaking. YMMV, but I've never felt the need and I ride in some pretty nasty conditions on a regular basis. I learned other tricks like oil viscosity in forks, etc to alleviate. Heck, I even live on a 3 mile long gravel road and still have never felt the need.
Have you had the opportunity to ride a bike with premium suspension components adjusted correctly for you? If not, don't or you will be spending money. Same goes for cars, trucks, etc.
I bought a set of Bilstein HD shocks for my truck and before I mounted them I ran a route at speeds that got the tires squealing. Then I mounted the shocks and ran the same route 10 mph faster than still had no tire squeal. The shocks kept the tires in contact with the road and transformed the drive. Same goes for motorcycles. It makes them safer and more comfortable.
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Is anyone else getting tired of satin/matt paint?
Yeah. Since about 2005.
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Is anyone else getting tired of satin/matt paint?
Yup. Looks either like primer, or like the clearcoat has oxidized away.
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Is anyone else getting tired of satin/matt paint? That deep red would look so good with a gloss finish. I hope they dropped the checkerboard graphics, if so I'll give it a test ride.
I'm just starting to get used to it. I would have never picked the Carbon Dark a couple years ago.
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Is anyone else getting tired of satin/matt paint? That deep red would look so good with a gloss finish. I hope they dropped the checkerboard graphics, if so I'll give it a test ride.
Yup, it’s probably what is keeping me off a MGX 21. Gloss black with just enough chrome is what I like, like my Cali Custom.
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I'm with twowheel on this. Spend time on a bike with quality components set up correct and, oh bot, it's a world of difference.
Some may not feel the need, and that's fine not everybody needs or wants that. But the difference is real and measurable.
In the end, though, it only matters to the owner. As it should be.
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http://www.motoguzzi.com/en_EN/news/Moto-Guzzi-V9-Bobber-Sport-makes-its-d-but-at-Open-House-2018/
Well, it does look more aggressive, and that's probably a good thing if you're going to call it a sport. I think they likely should have upgraded the forks a bit. Over all it looks better, but they apparently made no effort to up the power. Guzzi doesn't seem to agree with me, and perhaps they have good reason for not ($$$) as over the last decade they call something a sport, but don't add any more power.
But I suspect this will increase v9 sales, if they don't over price it, and it is a nice little boost until the v85 tears up the road!
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I guess it's the marketing departments idea of a Sport, but to me it looks like the Bobber with Ohlins and megaphone exhaust. Is that really enough to persuade buyers that passed on last year's V9s?
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Gorgeous. Probably is more the way the bike should have looked upon its debut, at least to appeal to more riders. Would I spend the what, extra 3.5 thousand dollars to own one over say anow heavily discounted Bobber or Roamer (as I previously owned)? Not a chance, but as King noted earlier that's all up to the rider. And I already thought the V9s were are snazzy machines. But I grant ya, it's a sharp bike and for MG's sake, I wish they would have introduced the bike originally as more like this in terms of styling. I personally think it would have appealed to more people in this trim, not necessarily the upscale Ohlins. Folks probably wouldn't have branded it as the cruiser clone many folks called the Roamer (again, I don't agree but they did/do) and somehow it also looks like it's not trying as hard stylistically as the standard Bobber buti know that's my opinion. Something about it to me looks more starightforward and sleek. I like it a lot. Plus, I think it would have helped more buyers better understand the V9/V7 distinction in this sportier platform. But that's all hindsight now. Or is it? What's the word, is Guzzi gonna keep sending over the V7s and the full V9 line again?
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"most" people don't want to pay the $$$$ premium for the top shelf suspension.
The OEMs can keep the pricepoint low by installing bargain basement suspension.
I, and other riders who RIDE, know the difference and are willing to pay the premium.
Guzzi should offer a "sport" version of every bike which includes Ohlins on both ends..
+1. I don't quite understand why people say that the stock suspension is fine. Especially the fork. I guess it depends what you've ridden and how. I suppose you could putt around and ride it like a cruiser and it would be ok. I know a lot of people here are into that and it's fine. Maybe it depends on where you live too and pavement quality.
When i see a twisty road i like to turn it up a bit - nothing crazy. My V7ii tended to scare me a bit when i did that. I did the Racetech springs, emulator, and oil weight mod. Wow - i am impressed.
And i agree that it's not about horsepower. I will take decent suspension and good brakes over an increase in power any day.
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I doubt they'd sell lots of them if they looked like this. We are definitely not the ticket to success for any manufacturer on this page.
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just putting $1500 worth of rear shocks on a bike with a spindly nonadjustable fork with a wallowing fat balloon front tire doesn't make it a sporty bike? Uh, at least it looks like they moved the pegs back from the original placement. Tank is still a monstrosity. The V9 is going to go down as one of the ugliest guzzi ever built, and that's saying something.
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I built the sport before they did and it was a great bike till some jackass ran a red light!(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180909/11952d32db81cb3b76ec97ba62e37147.jpg)
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jThe V9 is going to go down as one of the ugliest guzzi ever built, and that's saying something.
Florida will always hold top spot for ugly Guzzi.
I kind of like the v9 fuel tank. It reminds me of the Triumph X-75 Hurricane.
Anything 'sport' definitely needs nice inverted forks and sports bike sized rubber.
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+1. I don't quite understand why people say that the stock suspension is fine. Especially the fork. I guess it depends what you've ridden and how. I suppose you could putt around and ride it like a cruiser and it would be ok. I know a lot of people here are into that and it's fine. Maybe it depends on where you live too and pavement quality.
When i see a twisty road i like to turn it up a bit - nothing crazy. My V7ii tended to scare me a bit when i did that. I did the Racetech springs, emulator, and oil weight mod. Wow - i am impressed.
And i agree that it's not about horsepower. I will take decent suspension and good brakes over an increase in power any day.
My 2014 V7 Special front fork rated right up there among worst I've ever owned. And I owned a 1974 HD Sportster!
My V11 Nero Corsa was the best, but it had Ohlins forks. The Marzocchi M1 on my Sport 1100 is the best conventional fork I've owned.
Guzzi (Piaggio, I guess) has just chosen price point for the V7 / V9 bikes. Too bad, really.
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Couldn't agree more that the stock V7 front end is awful. However, as several here have mentioned over several posts, some are fine with it as delivered.
There are those of us who can't get with that, but that's us. Good for us that several well develop solutions exist, and I figured that into the V7 I purchased. That said, I do understand how some buyers question the poor offerings from most of the manufactures.
On a side note, the BMW G310R I purchased for my bride has the best stock front and rear end of any bike I've ever ridden STOCK that did not come with high end components, such as Works or Ohlins as part of a package. Astounding how good it is right out of the box. It does beg the question, does it not?
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http://www.motoguzzi.com/en_EN/news/Moto-Guzzi-V9-Bobber-Sport-makes-its-d-but-at-Open-House-2018/
Well, it does look more aggressive, and that's probably a good thing if you're going to call it a sport. I think they likely should have upgraded the forks a bit. Over all it looks better, but they apparently made no effort to up the power. Guzzi doesn't seem to agree with me, and perhaps they have good reason for not ($$$) as over the last decade they call something a sport, but don't add any more power.
But I suspect this will increase v9 sales, if they don't over price it, and it is a nice little boost until the v85 tears up the road!
To me and many of my friends 'sport' means better handling, not more power. Sport turned suspension.
More power without better handling is a waste.
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To me and many of my friends 'sport' means better handling, not more power. Sport turned suspension.
More power without better handling is a waste.
Agreed
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Is anyone else getting tired of satin/matt paint? That deep red would look so good with a gloss finish. I hope they dropped the checkerboard graphics, if so I'll give it a test ride.
Nope, though I might be getting a little tired of those who keep saying that people who can accept/live with cheaper stock suspensions:
* Don't really ride
And/or
* Don't know any better
I can scrape pegs with the stock suspensions on our bikes (though on some that really is faster than I feel I should be going on the street)
And I've ridden some press and friends bikes with really exceptional suspensions.
Though I wouldn't mind a little better front suspension on the smallblocks changing that's just not a priority.
Though I still want dual discs for my own irrational reasons, even recognizing they are fine with the single.
Anyway, a Sport Bobber sounded fine to me, but not without those duals.
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The obsession with suspension options amuses me too. Outside of losing all damping the stock suspension and/or lack of fancy suspension has never been an issue for me.
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Agreed
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Duh! That's why I said it should also have upgraded front forks to go along with the rear plungers! My contention is give it better "springs" all around, and at least bump the Hp up a couple clicks to generate more excitement. I mean really, would you rather have it the way it's currently configured, or would you like reasonable quality adjustable forks, and 60hp?
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Duh! That's why I said it should also have upgraded front forks to go along with the rear plungers! My contention is give it better "springs" all around, and at least bump the Hp up a couple clicks to generate more excitement. I mean really, would you rather have it the way it's currently configured, or would you like reasonable quality adjustable forks, and 60hp?
A suspension upgrade would have made my V7 quicker on the mountain roads I have been riding. More power? Nope. Didn't even get to use the power available. In fact, I dropped around 25 HP from the FZ-07 and the fun factor has not been diminished at all.
So if you live where the roads are straight and the speed limits high I could see where you would want more power. More power comes with many negatives IMO. More power requires larger contact patches, more braking power, beefier components which either add weight or more cost. In the end you have taken a nice simple bike and turned it into something no one can really use on the road and cost them much more money.
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A suspension upgrade would have made my V7 quicker on the mountain roads I have been riding. More power? Nope. Didn't even get to use the power available. In fact, I dropped around 25 HP from the FZ-07 and the fun factor has not been diminished at all.
So if you live where the roads are straight and the speed limits high I could see where you would want more power. More power comes with many negatives IMO. More power requires larger contact patches, more braking power, beefier components which either add weight or more cost. In the end you have taken a nice simple bike and turned it into something no one can really use on the road and cost them much more money.
I could make the same argument for suspension making you faster. I don't actually want to be faster in the Twisties, I'm good thanks.
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I could make the same argument for suspension making you faster. I don't actually want to be faster in the Twisties, I'm good thanks.
Think of it more as safer. The bike did wallow if the curve wasn't smooth. When a bike can't even go around the curve as fast as a honda civic 4 door without feeling unsafe, well you get the picture.
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Think of it more as safer. The bike did wallow if the curve wasn't smooth. When a bike can't even go around the curve as fast as a honda civic 4 door without feeling unsafe, well you get the picture.
I get a picture that doesn't agree with my bike. I have no problem riding it stock through the twisties faster than most/all traffic, even in less than ideal pavement conditions, which are relatively rare in my experience (which is amazing considering how awful many PA roads are).
I do agree you have a potentially greater margin of safety should you encounter such bad pavement. But since it's so rare for me it's not a compelling argument.
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I get a picture that doesn't agree with my bike. I have no problem riding it stock through the twisties faster than most/all traffic, even in less than ideal pavement conditions, which are relatively rare in my experience (which is amazing considering how awful many PA roads are).
I do agree you have a potentially greater margin of safety should you encounter such bad pavement. But since it's so rare for me it's not a compelling argument.
You have to go with what works for you. If I were 30 years younger and/or had a better body I could probably get away with the stock suspension.
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I'll bite. I loved my former Roamer. But is a new paint scheme and Ohlins shocks gonna get more people to buy one?
A different shape fuel tank mighta worked for me. :gotpics:
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For me, the design of the fuel tank is a work of art! :laugh:
You see, opinions about the styling of the V9 can be so different. :boxing:
Ciao
Lars
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As a former owner of a V9 Bobber, it gets no respect! I rode the wheels off it. Liked it much more then the V7 III racer I own. The biggest weakness was the rear shocks, so that has changed. Had no problem blasting out 500 mile rides at 90 mph. Did a great job in the twisties. :bike-037:
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For me, the design of the fuel tank is a work of art! :laugh:
You see, opinions about the styling of the V9 can be so different. :boxing:
Ciao
Lars
I can certainly agree with ya. For me a boxy tank with vertical sides would tickle my fancy. Something like the old XLCR.
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"most" people don't want to pay the $$$$ premium for the top shelf suspension.
The OEMs can keep the pricepoint low by installing bargain basement suspension.
I, and other riders who RIDE, know the difference and are willing to pay the premium.
Guzzi should offer a "sport" version of every bike which includes Ohlins on both ends..
Agreed. As long as bargain basement doesn't mean rock hard suspension. Lets have bikes from the factory that are designed for 130 - 160# riders. That might just match the younger demographic Guzzi would like to reach. For our Guzzi riders who weigh 190-240 pounds, well then ..... let them do what lighter riders have had to do for several years .... spend some bucks to make their suspension match their weight.
Bob
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Agreed. As long as bargain basement doesn't mean rock hard suspension. Lets have bikes from the factory that are designed for 130 - 160# riders. That might just match the younger demographic Guzzi would like to reach. For our Guzzi riders who weigh 190-240 pounds, well then ..... let them do what lighter riders have had to do for several years .... spend some bucks to make their suspension match their weight.
Bob
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Agreed. As long as bargain basement doesn't mean rock hard suspension. Lets have bikes from the factory that are designed for 130 - 160# riders. That might just match the younger demographic Guzzi would like to reach. For our Guzzi riders who weigh 190-240 pounds, well then ..... let them do what lighter riders have had to do for several years .... spend some bucks to make their suspension match their weight.
Bob
I weigh 240, and I found the 2014 V7 Special to have the most harsh suspension I remember riding. The front fork damping was terrible. Couldn't have been much worse. I don't know how the 130 pounders among us can take it.
Nothing worse than a poorly set up, cheap-ass fork assembly on an otherwise pretty cool bike.
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They should have went the rest of the way with USD cartridge forks up front.
My local dealer has cleared all his '17 V7s this past month and a few of the '18s have sold, but the '17 V9 bobber with a $2000 discount is still sitting there. I'll bet you could have it for $8000 out the door if you show up with cash.
Agree. I won't be buying anything new until the suspension is upgraded on both ends. I've got my 2013 Racer set up nicely and I don't feel like going through that exercise again. When the new models have better suspension all around then I'll move.
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I had 3 beemers from 1997 and up. They all responded well to upgraded suspension. Interestingly, my former Victory and now this Cali 1400 have really decent factory suspensions. Another person posted about the original Honda CBX 1000. I checked some old reports and the originals of those had 35 mm softly sprung forks and a flexible flyer swingarm with plastic bushings, ridiculous for such a large, powerful bike, but that was how it was in those days. So, to me, even the most basic of today's suspensions are probably better than what we had back then.
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I had 3 beemers from 1997 and up. They all responded well to upgraded suspension. Interestingly, my former Victory and now this Cali 1400 have really decent factory suspensions. Another person posted about the original Honda CBX 1000. I checked some old reports and the originals of those had 35 mm softly sprung forks and a flexible flyer swingarm with plastic bushings, ridiculous for such a large, powerful bike, but that was how it was in those days. So, to me, even the most basic of today's suspensions are probably better than what we had back then.
Ya Im wondering if the difference of opinion has a lot to do with past bikes.. Coming from 70's and early 80's bikes the new stuff is pretty good... but if your used to riding the more modern sport bikes... Well ya I can see the point..
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Ya Im wondering if the difference of opinion has a lot to do with past bikes.. Coming from 70's and early 80's bikes the new stuff is pretty good... but if your used to riding the more modern sport bikes... Well ya I can see the point..
Absolutely! If you don't know what you are missing it is easier to accept what you have. Knowing that whatever I buy is going to require $2000 in upgrades definitely makes me think carefully about my buying decision.
I got my first vehicle with automatic climate control in 2017. When I hop in the vehicle without it I realize what I put up with all these years. Vehicle getting hot or cold and constantly adjusting AC/heat for changing conditions.
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amazing how luxuries become necessities. for me it is cruise control on a bike, i don't think i could live without it now.
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amazing how luxuries become necessities. for me it is cruise control on a bike, i don't think i could live without it now.
Traded off my amazing Concours 1400 because I wanted cruise control since I had it on my Vulcan Voyager 1700 and got spoiled. Now, any "touring" bike has to have cruise control. Triumph is the only one I know of offering it on smaller bikes with their 800cc displacement adventure bikes.
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The Mupo - upgrade of the front forks of my 2013 V7 Stone was not expensive. Less than 400 Euros with work. I should have done that 5 years ago! I cannot understand that some think this is not a biiiig step upwards in ride quality and safety. I am weighting about 95 kg geared up. Only shortcoming: I will need to upgrade the rear suspension now. And this will be more expensive I fear. But the difference between front and rear is substantial now, it is annoying.
But riding is much more fun even now.
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News flash guys, Guzzi doesn't make sport bikes anymore. Haven't for a long time. If you want racy suspensions you're probably buying the wrong brand.
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News flash guys, Guzzi doesn't make sport bikes anymore. Haven't for a long time. If you want racy suspensions you're probably buying the wrong brand.
Ohlins piggybacks on the Bobber Sport. A set of Griso front forks, and they'd have completed the job.
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Well maybe these "sport" models are just filling the gap to when they announce the rumored V85 LeMans with proper suspension all around. That's the one I'm holding out for. I've got my Racer where I like it now so until they come up with something better it's not going anywhere.
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Joliet: I agree about the no real MG sport bikes, but in my experience, a better suspension improves any bike regardless of its mission. Take a cruiser for example, the usual short travel, oversprung rear boingers can really give you a pain in the spine and neck. An improved suspension that better uses the available travel can make the ride so much more enjoyable. It does represent an investment, but for most, an optional investment and those that are happy with stock do not have to pay the higher sticker price for parts they may not want. On the other hand, I hated spending over 15 large on a new 04 BMW RT and then have to turn around and buy a suspension for it. For that money you should expect it to be good from the factory.
Just my humble opinion.
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News flash guys, Guzzi doesn't make sport bikes anymore. Haven't for a long time. If you want racy suspensions you're probably buying the wrong brand.
I added good suspension to my V7III and still spent less overall than buying a bike with good suspension from the factory.
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I don't want a sport bike. I want the nice little, docile V7 with a good suspension.
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I agree with the decent suspension part, but what is that? A bike with a suspension for the dragon and curvy roads or one for expansion joints on I80 through Illinois. I don't think it's possible for both at least not an affordable amount.
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I agree with the decent suspension part, but what is that? A bike with a suspension for the dragon and curvy roads or one for expansion joints on I80 through Illinois. I don't think it's possible for both at least not an affordable amount.
Of course it is possible. You just need the appropriate spring rate for your weight, preload, rebound, and compression damping, and most importantly the knowledge to set it for the different riding conditions.
My '14 Triumph Trophy SE with the electronically adjustable suspension would go from the dragon to the expansion joints with a quick jaunt through the settings on the user interface. That bike was a dream to ride as long as the temps stayed cool enough.
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I agree with the decent suspension part, but what is that? A bike with a suspension for the dragon and curvy roads or one for expansion joints on I80 through Illinois. I don't think it's possible for both at least not an affordable amount.
I did the cheaper Race Tech spring, gold valve emulator, and oil change. Amazing. And the emulator has features to address both these scenarios. Great product, and my V7ii has improved greatly. The doubters should try and ride a modified bike to see how good it can be.
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Of course it is possible. You just need the appropriate spring rate for your weight, preload, rebound, and compression damping, and most importantly the knowledge to set it for the different riding conditions.
My '14 Triumph Trophy SE with the electronically adjustable suspension would go from the dragon to the expansion joints with a quick jaunt through the settings on the user interface. That bike was a dream to ride as long as the temps stayed cool enough.
Not sure what a 14 went for, but the 18 lists for 19,500. Considerably more than a v7 or v9.
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The Sport is starting to be available, there are actual dealer pics on CycleTrader. The seat height looks very low. Paint looks great and overall the bike looks much better than the MG press pics. I still don't get who the intended market is, but we will see.
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Not sure what a 14 went for, but the 18 lists for 19,500. Considerably more than a v7 or v9.
Got a $5000 discount plus $1500 in free accessories when I bought mine new.
I never made a comparison to the V7 or V9, just gave an example of how easy it can be.
My V7 Carbon new was $1000 under MSRP with $500 in free accessories. I spent $2000 to upgrade the suspension to give me a great ride. Take more time to adjust for changing conditions so I am mostly set in a compromise setting unless I know I am going to be hitting mountain curves or exploring farm roads.
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The Sport is starting to be available, there are actual dealer pics on CycleTrader. The seat height looks very low. Paint looks great and overall the bike looks much better than the MG press pics. I still don't get who the intended market is, but we will see.
The MSRP is $200 more than the standard V9 bobber. I would say the intended market is anyone with knowledge of suspension components. Upgrade the front end and you will have a very nice motorcycle that is not only stylish but rides as good as it looks.
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The Sport is starting to be available, there are actual dealer pics on CycleTrader. The seat height looks very low. Paint looks great and overall the bike looks much better than the MG press pics. I still don't get who the intended market is, but we will see.
I think I'd rather have a Sport Roamer than a Sport Bobber. But I can't get by that tank.
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I think I'd rather have a Sport Roamer than a Sport Bobber. But I can't get by that tank.
The bobber has a sportier stance than the roamer so it makes sense that they did a Bobber Sport instead. To sporty for me, but handlebars can be changed out.