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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: jas67 on September 08, 2018, 03:58:19 PM
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WOW!
https://www.gtmotocycles.com/specifications/ (https://www.gtmotocycles.com/specifications/)
Full Specifications
Engine: Moto Guzzi 90� V-Twin 1380cc
HP: 140+
Torque: 115 ft. lbs.
Weight: 396 lbs.
Quarter Mile: 10.62 seconds
Top Speed: 155 mph
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:popcorn:
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Looks better than most of what the factory is offering.
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Looks better than most of what the factory is offering.
Unfortunately that's not saying much...
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Ye Freaking Ha Hey!
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B E A U T I F U L, congratulations to the team at GT Motors.
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Hard to tell from the photos , but if they are running Tonto drive components , the bevel box will come with a 90/90 guarantee . That would be feet/seconds .
Pete will be along shortly to laugh at the claimed power figures .
Dusty
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I can’t be arsed.
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Hard to tell from the photos , but if they are running Tonto drive components , the bevel box will come with a 90/90 guarantee . That would be feet/seconds .
Pete will be along shortly to laugh at the claimed power figures .
Dusty
The famed Moto Guzzi Tonti frame of the 1970s is near perfect. It’s stiff, low, and bombproof. However, the original twin shock configuration is old school. That’s why we’ve married the modern CARC single-sided swingarm and rising rate mono-shock technology into the Tonti frame – giving you state-of-the-art suspension performance with the long low lines of a classic Guzzi.
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The famed Moto Guzzi Tonti frame of the 1970s is near perfect. It�s stiff, low, and bombproof. However, the original twin shock configuration is old school. That�s why we�ve married the modern CARC single-sided swingarm and rising rate mono-shock technology into the Tonti frame � giving you state-of-the-art suspension performance with the long low lines of a classic Guzzi.
Ahh , thanks Brad , I'll admit to not reading some of the hype surrounding these impossible creations, like Pete says , I can't be arsed :laugh:
Dusty
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That looks a lot like a bellagio frame. Even if they qlaim that they modified an old tonti frame to build it.
140hp does sound very optimistic
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Some of you are missing the forest for the trees.
It wouldn't have to make that hp or even be that lite. I'd hit that in a heartbeat if it was anywhere remotely in the ballpark, and I bet plenty of other people would too.
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https://www.gtmotocycles.com/contact
Ugly from behind, like where is the rest of the bike?
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Some of you are missing the forest for the trees.
It wouldn't have to make that go or even be that lite. I'd hit that in a heartbeat if it was anywhere remotely in the ballpark, and I bet plenty of other people would too.
Kev buddy , I literally have no idea what you are trying to say here :huh:
Dusty
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I think that he is saying that he likes it and if the price was right he would buy it and so would lots of other people
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I think that he is saying that he likes it and if the price was right he would buy it and so would lots of other people
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Thanks , sometimes that Philly speak is incomprehensible to an Okie :shocked: :grin:
Dusty
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I think that he is saying that he likes it and if the price was right he would buy it and so would lots of other people
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I don't think it's coming in a $8,500 bucks, so that will eliminate quite a few people.
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Looks to me Todd Eagan has built a one-off bike, with its own website to match.
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Kev buddy , I literally have no idea what you are trying to say here :huh:
Dusty
*hp
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I am one thats interested. So is GT moto the guys from Guzzi Tech, Ed and Todd? If so I assume these are put together in California.
I rarely go to the Guzzitech website but did find a similar bike made by a forum member, 1400 engine in a tonti frame with a more recognizable rear fender and seat. I am guessing anyone serious about one would be able customize some of the details.
Pete
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I am one thats interested. So is GT moto the guys from Guzzi Tech, Ed and Todd? If so I assume these are put together in California.
Didn't Ed and Todd have a very ugly and very public divorce like 5-6 years ago?!?
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hp what ? If you're suggesting that a big power number would convince you to buy it that seems to go against a lot of the motorbike philosophy you've been espousing over the last several years :huh:
Dusty
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Didn't Ed and Todd have a very ugly and very public divorce like 5-6 years ago?!?
Maybe, that would be too bad. I knew Ed but only spoke to Todd a few times and haven't had contact with them in over ten years.
That would affect my decision to buy one now.
Pete
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hp what ? If you're suggesting that a big power number would convince you to buy it that seems to go against a lot of the motorbike philosophy you've been espousing over the last several years :huh:
Dusty
Substitute the word HP for the obvious typo in my quote and you should be able to figure it out. Or go read the original (now edited) post again.
I am saying it doesn't need to make that claimed how.
It doesn't need to be only 396#
If it is anywhere in the ballpark (100 HP and 450#) I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
Or even less power and a little more weight.
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Oh hell , I just grokked that this is a Guzzi Tech creation . Take the hype with a grain of salt fellas .
Dusty
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Substitute the word HP for the obvious typo in my quote and you should be able to figure it out. Or go read the original (now edited) post again.
I am saying it doesn't need to make that claimed how.
It doesn't need to be only 396#
If it is anywhere in the ballpark (100 HP and 450#) I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
Or even less power and a little more weight.
Oh I agree , an honest 80 HP in a 450 LB motorbike is really all anyone can use on the street , I'm just curious why GT seems to feel compelled to make figures up .
Dusty
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Oh hell , I just grokked that this is a Guzzi Tech creation . Take the hype with a grain of salt fellas .
Dusty
I'm not saying I want THIS ONE. I'm suggesting the factory build something like it.
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I'm not saying I want THIS ONE. I'm suggesting the factory build something like it.
A street bike look on the bellagio base would have been a good start.
I don't know why they made it a cruiser style bike and not a standard instead. Like a new T3, or similar. Would have been a killer bike [emoji4]
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(https://image.ibb.co/mnkp5U/Screen_Shot_2018_09_09_at_9_40_20_AM.jpg)
I don't mind the bike, but I'd prefer a bench seat to make it more practical and have a better aesthetic appeal. And where the hell is the brake light and turn signals?
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I believe Todd put the lites in the frame rails around the seat. I read something like that in his build thread.
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(https://image.ibb.co/mnkp5U/Screen_Shot_2018_09_09_at_9_40_20_AM.jpg)
I don't mind the bike, but I'd prefer a bench seat to make it more practical and have a better aesthetic appeal. And where the hell is the brake light and turn signals?
These are custom builds, so, they'll build it however you like.
And yes, I'd take it with more bike behind the rider seat. I'm thinking a tasteful tail clone/hump, similar to the V7 Racer, but, w/o the stupid number plates molded in to ruin it. I'd run my racer with the plastic tail piece on it if it wasn't for those.
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Looks really loud...
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Just go an buy one of those king and queen convert saddles off of e-bay :grin:
How much is one of these Frankenstein's Monsters going to cost?
Power to weight ratio should be great, to bad about the trendy styling.
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Every time I see a bike like that, I picture the rider hitting a big ole bump in the road, and being thrown 'nads first onto that rear tire. :embarrassed: An overabundance of caution, I suppose. Abbreviated rear end does nothing for me. I'll pay the 5-8 pound penalty and have an honest fender and seat. Front of bike looks nice.
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Every time I see a bike like that, I picture the rider hitting a big ole bump in the road, and being thrown 'nads first onto that rear tire. :embarrassed: An overabundance of caution, I suppose. Abbreviated rear end does nothing for me. I'll pay the 5-8 pound penalty and have an honest fender and seat. Front of bike looks nice.
I see a long stripe of mud up the back of the rider every time I see one of these bikes with a rear end like that. I think the bike would have looked a lot better with a longer seat and a proper mudguard. But I guess many of these bikes rarely get of the display stand.
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Didn't Ed and Todd have a very ugly and very public divorce like 5-6 years ago?!?
That is correct, although I think it's been longer than that. I don't believe they are on speaking terms at all.
Looks really loud...
Not really all that bad. Nice throaty rumble. I suspect if it isn't sold by then, it will be seen at Lake Henshaw, along with the V-7/11 build.
jdg
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Too bad there are so many negative posts on this custom Guzzi. It's wonderful that someone (GT and/or Todd or whoever) took the time and the expense to build a custom Moto Guzzi. For this bikes intended purpose, it looks wonderful. They will likely find an eager buyer in and around the Hollywood California area. Maybe for others they'll build one with a Russel Day Long seat, Wixom bags and an old Vetter fairing. Turn signals you say. I'm sure some old LAPD style Dietz lights can still be found.
About the claimed power. I don't know, there's a company out of Germany I saw post on FB that makes a Big Block (1800) kit for the Guzzi 1400 and they claim big HP and Trq numbers. Does Piaggio still use HP and Trq figures optimistically 'measured' at the crank? It would be nice to see an actual dyno graph of how the bike makes its claimed power. Though that's true for just about any bike.
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About the claimed power. I don't know, there's a company out of Germany I saw post on FB that makes a Big Block (1800) kit for the Guzzi 1400 and they claim big HP and Trq numbers. Does Piaggio still use HP and Trq figures optimistically 'measured' at the crank? It would be nice to see an actual dyno graph of how the bike makes its claimed power. Though that's true for just about any bike.
The Griso is 109 h.p. vs 98 rear wheel. I think its about the same 10 h.p. drop for the 1400
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Shorty - I prefer a full seat and an actual fender too, but I don't think I've ever been bounced out of my seat and landed rearward on the back of the seat. Just saying.
Does Piaggio still use HP and Trq figures optimistically 'measured' at the crank?
Piaggio?!? You mean everybody. It's industry standard and has been got sometime. Hell I believe it's even regulated in the EU and Ducati a few years back had to publish revised HP figures found using the regulated method (because their method had been even more "optimistic" than the regulated method).
Anyway, as long as you're comparing apples to apples I wouldn't call it optimistic.
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A six inch longer seat and an actual fender would do wonders for the looks of this bike.
The problem with Todd has always been his wild claims not matching reality. Saying this bike has 140hp is a prime example. For some of you, that's not a big deal and you can look past it. For others, like me, it's a deal breaker because I'd never have anyone build a motorcycle for me that I couldn't trust.
As a static design piece it's very interesting.
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I fixed it, now it's good. - I added a convert tail and an LM1000 tails; liking the convert one :grin:
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Shorty - I prefer a full seat and an actual fender too, but I don't think I've ever been bounced out of my seat and landed rearward on the back of the seat. Just saying.
:grin: Just a continuation of rum inspired hyperbole...... :wink:
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Shorty - I prefer a full seat and an actual fender too, but I don't think I've ever been bounced out of my seat and landed rearward on the back of the seat. Just saying.
:grin: Just a continuation of rum inspired hyperbole...... :wink:
Ha ha, I can relate to that! :boozing:
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The Griso is 109 h.p. vs 98 rear wheel. I think its about the same 10 h.p. drop for the 1400
Thank you for this. 98 rwhp on a Griso explains the fun quotient at high revs.
Kev, I fully expect Hp and Trq figures from any and all mc manufacturer to be optimistic That's why seeing an actual dyno chart done in the real (non Marketing) world tells more of the story. Seeing the Hp and the Trq curve throughout the useable rpm range shows a lot. At least enough to peak interest. I see too many guys that brag about peak HP and Trq numbers but when you look at the details, it's often in an rpm range the bike may very seldom see.
This same custom Guzzi on the Victory forums is being very well received and apprciiated for the work done and the unique look and nature of it. Yea, I know, different strokes and all that. BUt I hope they sell a good number of these custom bikes. It would also be great to see the exposure for the Guzzi brand if this bike makes it into a few of the magazines.
If I had the disposable income to get a custom Guzzi similar to this I'd certainly do it.
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So what happens when and if someone actually puts this thing on a dyno and it really is only making about 105 HP and 95 LBS feet of torque ? Stock this engine makes about 95 HP and 89 LBS feet of torque , my understanding is that due to limitations created by cylinder head design that it is very difficult to gain much flow . Until I see a real verified dyno run , the claims of a 40% plus increase in HP seem like fairy dust . If I'm wrong so be it , but I am gonna need some proof .
Dusty
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Dusty,
I agree, that's why I mentioned the dyno graph and the German company making claims of huge Hp with their 1800 big block kit. Unless it's real, it's fairy dust as you say. Don't tell me 140 Hp and then show me 105 Hp on a dyno graph.
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Looks better than most of what the factory is offering.
Touche'
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Kev buddy , I literally have no idea what you are trying to say here :huh:
Dusty
I think the implication of Kev's statement is..
The damn thing is extremely desireable even though the real world figures will not be as claimed.
I don't think anyone is decrying the Hp/ Torque that the mill will produce, but why lie about it..,?
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Kev, I fully expect Hp and Trq figures from any and all mc manufacturer to be optimistic That's why seeing an actual dyno chart done in the real (non Marketing) world tells more of the story. Seeing the Hp and the Trq curve throughout the useable rpm range shows a lot. At least enough to peak interest. I see too many guys that brag about peak HP and Trq numbers but when you look at the details, it's often in an rpm range the bike may very seldom see.
Forget this custom for a minute. I'm saying that in the end of all manufacturers are giving crank numbers that are borne out later by independent rwhp tests that show a predictable frictional loss then the original numbers weren't optimistic.
That's all I was saying.
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So some of you think it makes sense to put a motor producing a claimed 140 hp in a 50 year old frame, designed to deal with 55hp?
I see something breaking when you least want it too.
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I think the implication of Kev's statement is..
The damn thing is extremely desireable even though the real world figures will not be as claimed.
I don't think anyone is decrying the Hp/ Torque that the mill will produce, but why lie about it..,?
Sorta. I'm saying forget this one off, but something like this from the OEM with realistic numbers would still be damn desirable.
Moreover I'm not really impressed by or interested in a one off bike. With enough money you can do a lot and ignoring the burdens of regulations and manufacturing you can do even more.
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Maybe it is just that, a dream.
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So some of you think it makes sense to put a motor producing a claimed 140 hp in a 50 year old frame, designed to deal with 55hp?
I see something breaking when you least want it too.
Bikes are not supposed to " make sense".
A beige Toyota Yaris makes sense..
And also..
Why do we spend so much time arguing the toss over power claims of stinking old Guzzies..?
They are all weak as piss compared to Aprilia RSV's, Suzuki B Kings, et al..
That's not where the appeal is.
Again it's not the relatively meagre output that people shun, it's being bullshitted to that bights...
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Something else I'm curious about , the site claims a 1/4 mile time of 10.56 seconds . Have they actually performance tested the bike , or is that based on some fictional power to weight ratio ?
Dusty
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I hate that single seat look it makes it into a toy for the jetski generation
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The specs also list a 10.62 quarter. A timing slip should quiet the skeptics on the HP number. You won't do that with a 100 HP.
Pete
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That's purdy and all but it's missin a lot of steel that a CARC bike has to keep the wheels pointed the same direction. I'll not ride that, it's just waiting to break.
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I was in a rush this morning so my post was brief. Now I'll say a couple more things;
Beetle knows more about 1400 re-mapping than anyone on the planet. When I jokingly asked him if he could remove the speed limiter on my Cali he said yes but it would probably disable the ABS(He wasn't sure. Probably because I'm the only idiot who wants a 140mph Touring, so he hadn't researched it). I find it incredibly hard to believe that Todd "re-mapped" the ECU to magically produce 140hp while retaining any sort of drivability and retaining the traction control and ABS. In fact, I don't believe the 140hp number at all. Not even if it's bored out to 1800cc. A 1400 puts out high 80's to low 90's on a dyno. Getting an additional 50+hp from an engine isn't possible with a 20% bump in displacement. Nor is it possible with fairy dust fuel mods. I'm not sure you could get 50hp using low compression pistons and a turbo running 10psi. How the hell would you get rid of all the heat from a 140hp air-cooled engine? It's not like the engine has big radiators hanging off it. Common sense says power=heat and you need a way to get rid of it if you want to make power more than once.
Does anyone here really believe that any motorcycle containing a Moto Guzzi V-twin with a shaft drive system weighs less than a 899 Panigale? 20 POUNDS LESS than an 899 Panigale? Does anyone here really believe a motorcycle with a Moto Guzzi V-twin...with a shaft drive system...can cut a 1/4 mile time within 2/10ths of a second as a Panigale? I'd be shocked if the 1400 engine and drivetrain alone aren't over 250lbs.
The work looks very high quality. It's cool to look at. I think Todd has a portable meth lab in his shop and he was overcome by the fumes when he typed out the spec's on his website.
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That's purdy and all but it's missin a lot of steel that a CARC bike has to keep the wheels pointed the same direction. I'll not ride that, it's just waiting to break.
Why do you think there's a lot of steel missing? Anything rear of the swing arm pivots and shock mount is really only there to hold the seat.
Look at the Bellagio frame. It is very close to an identical match.
First picture is the original setup of the Bellagio and it even have the small aluminium disks that sits in the tip of the frame triangle.
The second picture is a custom made by Officine RossoPuro. Much better seat and fender solution in my opinion.
I still believe that the gtm01 is just a bellagio frame with an 8v engine mounted. It looks so much like the Bellagio frame that I find it hard to believe that they have made it from scratch. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180911/fb3bd892045b74ced7fd4708fe904936.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180911/8e351a245732876a94e3145ac66d7805.jpg)
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Well, when you show a GTM01, you know there has to be a GTM02. Stay tuned. Anyway, I'd love to see the GTM01 on something like Willow Springs along with an actual dyno graph. I don't have any inside knowledge on the GTM01 engine but I would doubt it's stock. Who knows, there are a lot of things that can be done with head work, throttle body size, cams, intake, exhaust, timing and piston/combustion shape etc etc etc.
I know for a fact that a stock Victory 106 puts out about 62 Hp at 3000rpm and about 112 Ft/Lbs or Trq before the fun is turned off at 5500rpm. With very mild cams, an air filter, +4 timing, slip on mufflers and a PCV tuner Hp goes to about 107 at 3000rpm out to about 114 before the fun shuts off. That's a 45Hp improvement at 3000 rpm with 'low hanging fruit' parts totaling about $1000 and a day in your garage with basic hand tools. Trq in this same scenario goes from 65 to 114, (+49) at 3000rpm and it stays nice and flat till the fun is shut off.
All this at LESS engine heat (-50%) and better (+4) fuel economy. Remember, no matter what you think of your stock Guzzi motor, it's NOT tuned for power. It's detuned for government regulations. The numbers I posted are from 'tuning' in 4th gear. The 'power run' for the numbers in 5th gear will increase them both 3 to 4.
Add displacement, tank risers and 'touring' cams and numbers like 135 Hp and 135 Ft/Lbs of table top Trq are very common. Tuning and parts selection will determine where and how these 4 valve motors make power.
So yea, I do believe it's possible to wring more power out of a Guzzi 1400. 140 Hp peak? In the hands of the right tuner with the right parts, yup.
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As someone said earlier, trust is very important. My Norge came from the previous owner with the GT PCV/autotune setup. It was terrible. So bad in fact, that the poor guy gave up, bought an FJR, and sold the Norge to me at a huge loss. I removed the PCV/autotune and loaded Mark’s map. It has run perfectly ever since. In light of my experience, I don’t see this living up to the hype or the price tag. Buyer beware.
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Something was certainly installed and/or setup incorrectly on that Norge. A PCV with an autotune are very reliable and work very well. By design, the autotune will over write a pre loaded map. But good for you as someone else’s error resulted in such a poor running motorcycle that you got a great deal. Again, the parts are fine and work well in the hands of a competent installer/tuner. I intentionally chose not to use an autotune as I’m not a tuning expert and wanted to leave that to an actual professional.
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Seems to me we’re trying to discuss several subjects more or less simultaneously here.
Given the lack of details on the web site, we could also discuss if the discussion is worthwhile, but hey, it’s a forum! :grin:
I’d point to these subjects foremost:
- The looks of a custom build
- The frame
- The weight
- The motor and performance figures
- The credibility of the builder. I have the impression that this subject is being discussed on this forum from time to time, and have absolutely nothing to contribute here.
I will get out of my closet and say that I like the basic design of the bike, and I’m convinced a rear end could be devised to suit my taste and needs, also ergonomics. :thumb:
But I don’t understand why a Tonti frame is used. Registration / title reasons? Are those supposed to be original frames? I’m not convinced that a Tonti frame is the way to go for a chassis for a 140 hp bike (rather the opposite, in fact), but other people should know much more about that than I do.
Who would say no to a big block CARC Guzzi at 396 lbs? :drool: Certainly not me. I think this is by far the biggest (advertised) asset - but also a figure that’s hard to believe.
Is the «140+ hp» engine based on a 8V 1200, or on the 1400? Again, other people should know much more about the feasibility of this than I do. 140 hp crank or rear wheel? Wouldn’t matter to me, and in fact I’d rather have the original motor.
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But I donâ€[emoji769]t understand why a Tonti frame is used. Registration / title reasons? Are those supposed to be original frames? Iâ€[emoji769]m not convinced that a Tonti frame is the way to go for a chassis for a 140 hp bike (rather the opposite, in fact), but other people should know much more about that than I do.
I'm no expert, but here's one thing that stands out to me.
On a traditional frame like the Tonti, the frame itself does indeed provide most/all of the structural rigidity, though the engine may contribute when mounted solidly like a structural member.
However on a bike that uses subframe assemblies as I believe the CARC does the engine and and driveline provide most of the structural rigidity. The rear frame section basically supports the rider/bodywork and perhaps provides a mounting tie-in to the rear suspension, the front supports the front suspension and needs to be significant. I'm not sure a modified Tonti wouldn't be more than up to the task then since the motor/driveline is a large part of the work.
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I'm pretty sure that they use a Tonti because it is easier to get through the TUV with older bikes....Germany was allways very strict with homologation for street use.
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I'm dubious of TN Marks claims of easy Hp and trq numbers. Mark you are claiming as fact that for $1000 and one day in the garage a Vic 106 motor can be taken from 62hp to 114hp and similar rise in Trq! To make it even more off the wall, this huge power increase comes with 50% less engine heat, and better mpg! I admit I don't know a whole lot about motors, but I do know enough to be skeptical of your claims. I don't doubt that you believe these claims, but I suspect they are substantially over blown by those who would benefit from selling the story, and parts!
Where can we go to see the evidence that supports your claims? Have these claims been born out by folks who don't have a dog in the fight? Or are they just what the speed shops that sell the parts claim, etc?
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Well, Todd made the jump to sell bikes. I'm sure the buyers will review such machines and we will hear of it just like the other custom builders. All specs will follow said reviews, it won't be speculation. In fact ALL here can go to CA and ride the stuff if you want, it's sold to the public so go and try it out.
I'll bet if you showed up with real$$$ you could do such a thing AND see it on the dyno too.
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Why do you think there's a lot of steel missing? Anything rear of the swing arm pivots and shock mount is really only there to hold the seat.
Look at the Bellagio frame. It is very close to an identical match.
First picture is the original setup of the Bellagio and it even have the small aluminium disks that sits in the tip of the frame triangle.
The second picture is a custom made by Officine RossoPuro. Much better seat and fender solution in my opinion.
I still believe that the gtm01 is just a bellagio frame with an 8v engine mounted. It looks so much like the Bellagio frame that I find it hard to believe that they have made it from scratch. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180911/fb3bd892045b74ced7fd4708fe904936.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180911/8e351a245732876a94e3145ac66d7805.jpg)
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I don't think that it is missing. It is missing.
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Just needs NOS or a turbo!
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Why do they always chop off the rear of these bikes ?
I never understood.
Ohhh well...
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Too bad about all the negativity.
I think it is awesome that someone is offering this. They are custom, so if you want a rear fender have them build it with one. HP? It’s a 1400 8V engine, it will have plenty of power. Weight? It’s a pretty minimal bike, the weight will be less than any other 1400 Guzzi and the power to weight should be more than anyone needs. Honesty of the builder? Well, that might be a point worth considering but if you have ever purchased a new motorcycle you have already crossed that bridge. All manufacturers have routinely fudged power and weight numbers.
It reminds me of an MGS01 except much better looking (with a different rear end treatment). I would much rather have this than an MGS01. Kudos for building an interesting and desirable custom Guzzi and making it an option for us.
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Sorry...
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My opinion only. I like things I can ride all day long without wanting to commit suicide. But, who am I to judge? I'm sure it's a nice scoot, but just not my cup of tea.
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Too bad about all the negativity.
I think it is awesome that someone is offering this. They are custom, so if you want a rear fender have them build it with one. HP? It�s a 1400 8V engine, it will have plenty of power. Weight? It�s a pretty minimal bike, the weight will be less than any other 1400 Guzzi and the power to weight should be more than anyone needs. Honesty of the builder? Well, that might be a point worth considering but if you have ever purchased a new motorcycle you have already crossed that bridge. All manufacturers have routinely fudged power and weight numbers.
It reminds me of an MGS01 except much better looking (with a different rear end treatment). I would much rather have this than an MGS01. Kudos for building an interesting and desirable custom Guzzi and making it an option for us.
What one person calls negativity, another would call public opinion. That's the whole point of a discussion board. Sharing opinions to collectively appreciate each other and their viewpoints. :thumb:
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Custom bikes always bring out the armchair builders.
I'd build it this way.
I'd have done this.
I wouldn't have done that.
I'm calling bullshit on X claims.
Why did they build it the way they did? The way I like bikes is the right way.
Not to mention, seems like anything GT on this board is simply gonna get shit on. Hell, he could be doing straight restos, and someone's gonna crap on it.
Here's the thing... not everything is built "for you". Why is the rear end the way it is? Because that's the way people like them today. He's building for a modern market, and the guys that want single purpose, stylish machines will eat that thing up. There are an awful lot of people that want stylish, good looking, go fast machines for nothing more than... oddly enough... looking good and going fast.
As for power? If he's full of it, it'll come out in the wash. If not... anyone here that's calling him on it going to admit they were wrong?
Now, someone's gonna come by, and ironically tell me that my opinion about their opinion isn't a valid opinion, and how I should lighten up, because it's a public forum and that's just how it is.
I dunno. This whole WG vs GT shit rubs me the wrong way, both ways. It all feels so very... high school.
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Enough already , this isn't a WG VS GT thing , so stop with that nonsense , or I will stop it . Do we understand ? The GT site doesn't allow for anything non GT related to be discussed , talk to the owners about that fact then we can and will have the discussion . Until then , if someone here wants to critique one of GT's products , don't get all twisted out of shape .
Dusty
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Enough already , this isn't a WG VS GT thing , so stop with that nonsense , or I will stop it . Do we understand ? The GT site doesn't allow for anything non GT related to be discussed , talk to the owners about that fact then we can and will have the discussion . Until then , if someone here wants to critique one of GT's products , don't get all twisted out of shape .
Dusty
Who's twisted out of shape? And why can't I speak my own mind? Everyone else is. I'm discussing two different topics, here, and the GT thing is the least of them.
Also, I feel like maybe this part was missed?
"This whole WG vs GT shit rubs me the wrong way, both ways. It all feels so very... high school."
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This whole WG vs GT shit rubs me the wrong way, both ways. It all feels so very... high school.
There is no contest. None. Whatsoever. I was expressing my opinion as were others. Even if MG themselves built it, I'd say the same thing. Oh wait, I have. That's called diversity. Fact is, I didn't even realize it was a GT bike until it was mentioned, after I seen the photo.
Let's all take a breath now...
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seems like anything GT on this board is simply gonna get shit on. Hell, he could be doing straight restos, and someone's gonna crap on it.
This seems to be a recurring theme on every forum but GT.
Karma for selling lots of people expensive stuff that doesn’t work?
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That's because anything NON-GT is banned from the GT forum (i.e. he deletes it) so how could it become a recurring theme there?
Look I've got nothing against Todd and have been a customer (and would be again), but I don't like when someone deletes any talk of the competition. If you are better than the competition you don't need that to compete.
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Yeah, what Kev said, even though he is mostly wrong on everything else he utters. :wink:
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Yeah, what Kev said, even though he is mostly wrong on everything else he utters. :wink:
Even a broken clock... [emoji56]
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Back to TN Marks claims.
I went hunting at Victoryforums.com. First cycleworld published 2016 dyno numbers are 83rhp, not 62! If you're starting at 83 getting to 110 is a hell of a lot easier than starting at 87 and getting you 140. i have no clue where you got your 62 number from.
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:facepalm
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Uh, is that a real statement?
Uh, it was a segue to my point in my second sentence, that he�s earned his bad reputation on every forum but his own. :thumb:
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I boought a tweaked Cali 1400 Custom from Todd a few years ago. It performs as I expected it would. Power is not outrageous, but a significant improvement on stock (which is also shown on the dyno readings).
(https://thumb.ibb.co/cf7Q0U/Cali_1400_Dyno_Readings.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cf7Q0U)
This increase in power was achieved with airbox and exhaust modifications, plus a tweaked ECU with a power commander and autotune. There are those who poo-poo power commanders, but they are simply another tool for altering the ECU behaviour and can be manipulated in real time.
I'm simply not interested in his later offerings.
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Uh, is that a real statement?
That's because anything NON-GT is banned from the GT forum (i.e. he deletes it) so how could it become a recurring theme there?
Look I've got nothing against Todd and have been a customer (and would be again), but I don't like when someone deletes any talk of the competition. If you are better than the competition you don't need that to compete.
Yep I'm glad to have Todd's offerings out there and his "no crack" H Pipe ended what was an almost annual trip to the welding shop. I like his forums too, I just know that they have a decided bias to GT products.
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But I don’t understand why a Tonti frame is used. Registration / title reasons? Are those supposed to be original frames? I’m not convinced that a Tonti frame is the way to go for a chassis for a 140 hp bike (rather the opposite, in fact), but other people should know much more about that than I do.
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I believe it's a custom frame inspired by Tonti geo. On the GuzziTech forum, there are several pictures of the frame being welded together.
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Uh, it was a segue to my point in my second sentence, that he�s earned his bad reputation on every forum but his own. :thumb:
Oh, sorry... Posting distracted again, my bad
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Back to TN Marks claims.
I went hunting at Victoryforums.com. First cycleworld published 2016 dyno numbers are 83rhp, not 62! If you're starting at 83 getting to 110 is a hell of a lot easier than starting at 87 and getting you 140. i have no clue where you got your 62 number from.
Chad, You're quoting peak numbers on a stock Victory 106 at 5500rpm. The numbers I posted were at 3000rpm with the 'low hanging fruit' additions. There are hundreds, perhaps thousands between Victoryforums, thevog and the Victory fb pages who have a similar dyno graph with the numbers I posted. I�ll gladly email you a pdf of the graph from The Vic Shop showing a bone stock CCT verses one with a Lloyds VM1-DR cam, slip ons, Lloyds timing wheel set at +4, a Lloyds air cleaner, PCV and a dyno tune. It's not my exact dyno graph but one that Rylan Vos emailed me on Tuesday of last week. My exact stock v low hanging fruit graph was done back in the Summer of 2013 and Rylan no longer has that dyno graph in his system. Rylan Vos owns The Vic Shop and he's one of the nicest guys and best technicians/tuners available, anywhere. He's one of the top 3 Victory tuners in North America, Lloyd Greer (Lloydz) and Kevin Cross being the other top 3. I initially went to The Vic Shop because they're in Iowa and it was an easy ride out on a Sunday after church for a 'tune up' on Monday morning and a very nice ride back home to Chicago that afternoon.
Like I told you a few years ago, I�m a customer of The Vic Shop and the improvements are real, incredible and it's like a whole new and improved motorcycle. I just had a second dyno tune from Lloydz (Charlotte Indian). Go to VictoryForums and look at Nip & Tuck in the Cross bike section. I�m Chattanooga Mark over their.
Many people use advertised (Marketing) numbers, at the crank, peak and actual dyno verified rear wheel numbers interchangeably. Remember, I posted gains at 3000rpm, not peak. Gains in peak numbers from stock verses the low hanging fruit are about +15-20 Hp and +10-15 Ft/Lbs Trq. Those by themselves are a very nice gain for the money spent. But it's where the low hanging fruit adds power on the Victory 106 that matters most. It's right in the most used rpm range, 2500 to 5000. The +4 timing adds 7 to 8 ft/lbs of torque under 2500 rpm. The cams come on about 2900 and stay till about 5000.
The reason I don't care too much about the numbers at 5500 or 6000 (with a PCV) is because a Victory Cross Country Tour very seldom uses that rpm range. At 80mph in 6th gear the 106 is spinning at 3000 rpm and at 100 mph it spinning at 4000 rpm. The bike bike really doesn't want to pull much over 115 mph as at that point it's simply pushing too much air. The steel frame Victory's are a much different story in that those bikes can use the higher rpm ranges much more often than the Cross bikes can. Shifting at 5000 rpm is a whole lot different from cruising down the road at 5000 rpm.
-50% felt engine/exhaust heat on a CCT? YES SIR, most assuredly! I got +3 mpg with my original dyno tune at about 11K miles. With my latest nip & tuck tune at 61K miles, it's now a bit over +4 mpg from bone stock.
Imagine that, an engine tuned using aftermarket parts and expertise that adds a LOT of usable power, reduces engine/exhaust heat and improves fuel economy. Yes Polaris designers made a very easy and straightforward path between parts and the the fuel map they were mandated to use and what the motor is easily capable of. Lloyds and The Vic Shop have both made completely streetable 106 engines putting out over 200 rwhp and 245 ft/lbs Trq. Yes, forced induction is needed to do that as are stronger rods and a beefier clutch. Other than that, the rest of the drivetrain is up to the task. Josh Baird, the Lloyds tuner at Charlotte Indian told me he was unable to even break the drive belt with his 300Hp 106 engine.
Like the Victory 106, I fully suspect the Guzzi 1400 is also capable of nice improvements in power by making the same changes. The dyno graph posted above proves this out. Add cams to the Guzzi 1400 and it's likely even better. Again, the peak numbers at max rpm isn't all that needs to be looked at. Consider the gains made in the meat of the engine rpm range. That's a lot more usable than the higher peak numbers.
So, PM me your email address and I'll send you the dyno graph when I get home.
Anyway, back to the GTM01 - I wish the builder(s) all the success in the world as I love just about everything about it. If I had the disposable income I'd certainly buy one. I'm also anxious to see what GTM02 looks like.
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Just my opinion, but I have a 1400 with Todd’s tuning and it performs just as he promised. As for his custom 1400 offering I know that these motors have been built from the bottom up with custom cams so let’s just wait and see how it tests out. One of the magazines is supposed to be lined up to test his first bike. I know a lot of time, money and testing has gone into this first bike and if you were to see it in person you would drool at the quality and custom touches in this build. I can’t afford one but I can sure appreciate what Todd has built. Todd is a great resource for many of us in So Cal. His mating of the Carc swingarm to the Tonti frame is beautiful and a beefy.
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How about we wish him luck?
I can't see how his success harms any of us!
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How about we wish him luck?
I can't see how his success harms any of us!
Ahh, the voice of reason, and absolutely true. Attaboy, Kev.. :thumb:
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Three posts in a row that need a LIKE button. Where did that thing go anyway?
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I, for one, am glad we have Todd and Guzzitech.
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How about we wish him luck?
I can't see how his success harms any of us!
Amen Kev...
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I absolutely wish him luck. If it attracts new riders to the Guzzi brand, I'm all for it. I'm all for anyone trying something.
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Well my humble opinion is Frank Wedge kept Guzzi alive in this country from 1972 to the 90's when Guzzi did everything in its power to destroy the brand and now Wild Guzzi and Guzzitech and Todd is taking over for this century. Unfortunately Guzzi is still asleep at the wheel!
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How about we wish him luck?
I can't see how his success harms any of us!
Absolutely. The first bike is now at cycle world so it will be tested and reported on.
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I also wish Todd good luck with his new business. I've never had an issue with him or the items I purchased from him. He was even nice enough to take time to show me around his shop when I made a random stop there one time.
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Maybe this is GTM02? :grin: :wink:
(https://thumb.ibb.co/dgQcjp/Loop_8V.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dgQcjp)
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Maybe this is GTM02? :grin: :wink:
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OK
Please explain
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OK
Please explain
What is there to explain? It's a (bad) Photoshop job I found on the 'net of an 8V CARC drivetrain, modern suspension, etc. in a Loop frame.
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What is there to explain? It's a (bad) Photoshop job I found on the 'net of an 8V CARC drivetrain, modern suspension, etc. in a Loop frame.
Pretty sure that constitutes an explanation. :boozing:
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Yeah, if there is anything a Loop needs, it's over 100 horsepower.. :grin:
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100 hp loop with single leading shoe brakes! :evil:
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What is there to explain? It's a (bad) Photoshop job I found on the 'net of an 8V CARC drivetrain, modern suspension, etc. in a Loop frame.
OK
LOL
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OK change the subject, how about #2 that's coming, supercharged.
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OK change the subject, how about #2 that's coming, supercharged.
It'll just go boom sooner :shocked:
Dusty
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Shouldn't go boom at all for $45K.
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Shouldn't go boom at all for $45K.
For $45K it should cook dinner and keep the house cleaned and the yard mowed .
Dusty
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There are plenty of folks in SoCal that 45 large is pocket change..
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There are plenty of folks in SoCal that 45 large is pocket change..
So you're saying they could just send me $10K and never miss it ?
Dusty
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There are plenty of folks in SoCal that 45 large is pocket change..
^^^ This.
Celebritards and trust fund brats are the target market. The sort who won’t know or care if it runs like crap. The longest ride they’ll ever do is to the Rock Store. Most probably won’t even go that far. He’ll probably sell quite a few.
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^^^ This.
Celebritards and trust fund brats are the target market. The sort who won�t know or care if it runs like crap. The longest ride they�ll ever do is to the Rock Store. Most probably won�t even go that far. He�ll probably sell quite a few.
That's a lot of assumptions... just sayin'.
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That's a lot of assumptions... just sayin'.
Ever been around Malibu, for instance? :cool: :smiley:
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Ever been around Malibu, for instance? :cool: :smiley:
I live in the boonies, surrounded by farmers... I'd say that the average redneck has more toys, and more expensive toys than the average Californian. And they aren't trust fund brats.
Someone's gonna call me out for this and tell me to lighten up, I know it... but I just hate this sort of crap, the stereotypes and garbage like that. Just rubs me the wrong way.
Meh.
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It's a very cool bike. I'm more than skeptical about the claimed 140hp, 396lbs and 1/4 mile time quoted. By skeptical I mean I laughed out loud and shook my head when I read those claims. Like I posted earlier...those are Ducati Panigale performance numbers.
My biggest issue with the Touring is the ergonomics. I can't get my chest anywhere close to being over the cylinders so I can't make it turn like I want. I could on this bike. I admire the high spec of the components. I like the frame geometry. With a longer seat and a rear fender I'd buy it. I just wouldn't buy it from Todd.
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I just wouldn't buy it from Todd.
Ive known Todd for years, and he has always been more than fair with me.
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Ive known Todd for years, and he has always been more than fair with me.
That's been the case with many folks. He has contributed a lot to Guzzi enthusiasts in the States over the years and many bikes he's worked on run better than they did before. However, that was not my experience and unfortunately, I'm not alone. My issue is not necessarily with his products but with his over the top claims and poor business model. I wish him no ill will but I can explain in PM to anyone who's interested(complete with every e-mail between us). I will happily eat crow if someone puts the bike on the scale, runs it on a dyno and takes it to a drag strip and the claims prove to be something other than farcical. I will post a thread titled, "How An Idiot in VT Was Woefully Wrong". Shrugs....caveat emptor.
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If I guy were 50 years old and had been claiming for some years (10 years or more) that hes ridden over a million miles on a motorcycle, youd think he would imagine people doing the math...
If you were to ride every day from your 16th birthday to your 45th birthday, youd need to average 100 miles per day, and keep up that 100 mile/day average over the entire 29 year period to reach a million miles. Skip a day and the next day needs to be 200 miles. Judge the validity of that claim and in my direct experience youll have a fair metric to assess what else comes from the same mouth.
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If I guy were 50 years old and had been claiming for some years (10 years or more) that hes ridden over a million miles on a motorcycle, youd think he would imagine people doing the math...
If you were to ride every day from your 16th birthday to your 45th birthday, youd need to average 100 miles per day, and keep up that 100 mile/day average over the entire 29 year period to reach a million miles. Skip a day and the next day needs to be 200 miles. Judge the validity of that claim and in my direct experience youll have a fair metric to assess what else comes from the same mouth.
Our calculators have the same results :grin:. I wondered that too but since I flunked law school and am stuck working on stupid computers for a living, I'm in no position to judge. :evil:
I personally know some million mile riders. Some that immediately come to mind are Karl Werth and Ken Hand. Neither of those fellas are in their 40's. Heck, I thought I was doing good having 250K motorcyle (210K or so exclusively Guzzi) miles at 48. I'm still just a grasshopper I guess.
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Yeah , a million miles is , er , well a tremendous number of miles . I have maybe half that and have been riding for 50 years , and half of that mileage was done in my 40's and 50's when 20K miles a year was normal . Karl and Ken are much older than Todd and both made some really long trips on a regular basis .
Dusty
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Does it matter? It's all hype and hyperbole.
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That's a lot of assumptions... just sayin'.
Assumptions? Like assuming you know more about life in Southern California than someone who lives here? I wouldn’t presume to tell you about life in your neck of the woods, because I don’t live there. Some stereotypes are based in reality and the stereotypes I’m referencing are very much a part of reality in Southern California. Good for Todd if he can make a fortune selling this stuff to rich people who are happy with it. But I have witnessed his overpriced fueling remedies myself and that is all I need to know. His farkles and bolt-ons are great, but until he hires someone who really understands how modern engines work, he’s also selling high priced snake oil, which isn’t cool in my book.
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I doubt he'll make a fortune, guzzisti are notoriously cheap. If he builds ten I'd call it a success.
No matter the final weight and HP, I bet it'll be fun.
I still wonder if that is an imported bellagio frame.
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I doubt he'll make a fortune, guzzisti are notoriously cheap. If he builds ten I'd call it a success.
I don’t think Guzzisti are his target market. He did hire a good photographer. Time will tell.
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I still wonder if that is an imported bellagio frame.
No, it isn't. There are pictures of the welding together of the frame, the jig they made, etc. on their Facebook and no doubt their forum.
It's not my cup of tea, but if it makes someone happy that's great.
I'm too concerned with other things for the GT drama. :) I think there are definitely issues with the way they have presented themselves, and I don't visit their forum, but I'm still a sucker for all things Guzzi so it's interesting to follow.
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^^^ This.
Celebritards and trust fund brats are the target market. The sort who won�t know or care if it runs like crap. The longest ride they�ll ever do is to the Rock Store. Most probably won�t even go that far. He�ll probably sell quite a few.
Celebrities and trust funders don't want to ride around on clapped out T's,T-3's etc. with 1-1/2" copper sweat pipes for exhaust? Shocking.
Personally, I hope that Todd sell's a shyte load of them to the highest bidders.
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To bad the hoyte toyte who can peel off 45k at a whim, didn't get into Motus. :cry:
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That thing is total rubbish built from hyperbole. Foolish to take a perfectly good bike and severely reduce its usefulness and durability, and nuts to then sell it to folks. Perhaps even crazier to buy one.
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That thing is total rubbish built from hyperbole. Foolish to take a perfectly good bike and severely reduce its usefulness and durability, and nuts to then sell it to folks. Perhaps even crazier to buy one.
Then don't buy it. I wouldn't either, the style is not me. But others might, (or not). Who really cares?
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WOW!
https://www.gtmotocycles.com/specifications/ (https://www.gtmotocycles.com/specifications/)
jAY, wHY ISN'T THAT HOME IN YOUR GARAGE YET??
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I only post this because it came up. If someone tells you he has climbed mt. Everest, he may have just done so.
That's a good point, Mike.. I've heard, "I only have an hour and 45 minute commute" (!) or more from people I know in SoCal. Not my cuppa.. but many think it's normal. For sure a guy I know in Sandy Eggo thinks nothing of a 500 mile day. :smiley:
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True , 25K miles a year for 40 years adds up to a million miles , still , I haven't met many legit million milers .
I did climb to the top of a fairly high hill in the Gloss mountains out by Woodward OK about ten years ago , but there were stairs , don't really think that counts for much :rolleyes: It was very windy , does that impress anyone ? :grin:
Dusty
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The # of people that ride motos as a % of the population is tiny and out of that there are fewer still that ride long distance so not surprised you haven't met many...oh wait I know of one for sure!
Like I said...Doable if your can cut it.
Very impressed w/your climbing skills...I think.
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Don't be , there was a woman of about 80 accompanied by what was probably a great grand daughter who passed me going up , and going down . I tried to act like I wasn't in a hurry :laugh:
Dusty
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True , 25K miles a year for 40 years adds up to a million miles , still , I haven't met many legit million milers .
I did climb to the top of a fairly high hill in the Gloss mountains out by Woodward OK about ten years ago , but there were stairs , don't really think that counts for much :rolleyes: It was very windy , does that impress anyone ? :grin:
Dusty
I know two: Blaine Paulus (1.3 million documented) and Joe Gilmore (1.6 million documented).
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That thing is total rubbish built from hyperbole. Foolish to take a perfectly good bike and severely reduce its usefulness and durability, and nuts to then sell it to folks. Perhaps even crazier to buy one.
Have you seen any other �custom� motorcycles? The high dollar ones, the Dirtbag Challenge bike�s, the Smokeout Rally bike�s etc. if you can�t see the workmanship and the design that went into this bike, you�re likely choosing not to. Whether or not you want one or even like it isn�t the point.
So please post links to the products and services you�ve developed and offered for sale. Not links to your opinions but to actual products and services developed by you from your own ideas.
Most assuredly Todd isn�t marketing this bike to the average Wildguzzi forum member.
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Might be time to put this one out to pasture folks .
Dusty
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Might be time to put this one out to pasture folks .
Dusty
Gee... if only someone had seen it coming.
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Gee... if only someone had seen it coming.
Oh I knew it would come to a bad end , sometimes letting something play out makes a point better than just shutting it down .
Dusty
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Might be time to put this one out to pasture folks .
Dusty
Amen!
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I quite like the GT Motocycles GTMO1 bike.
I wouldn't mind owning that bike at all.
The first MG to catch my eye was the Griso, and a Griso 1100 was my first Moto Guzzi.
I loved that bike!
It had it's shortcomings ~ enough that I eventually decided to sell it, but I loved it.
GTM01 looks like it has addressed all of the shortcoming of the Griso and more.
I think I would really enjoy that bike.
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http://radicalguzzi.com/home
These guys are claiming 180 Hp and 200 Nm of torque from their 1700cc Guzzi. As the old racers say, there's no replacement for displacement.
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http://radicalguzzi.com/home
These guys are claiming 180 Hp and 200 Nm of torque from their 1700cc Guzzi. As the old racers say, there's no replacement for displacement.
Yeah , except an f1 engine makes twice the specific output of a big old NASCAR V8 .
Dusty
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He did qualify "the old racers" . :wink:
I was truly amazed when I found out how fast a European car with a "little" 3 liter engine could be.
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He did qualify "the old racers" . :wink:
I was truly amazed when I found out how fast a European car with a "little" 3 liter engine could be.
The old 1.5 liter f1 cars from the early 60's were freaky . There was an f2 Cooper from the same era at the AHRMA national in Park City , they were 1 liter cars (I think) and weighed about 700 LBS , that thing just howled around the track .
Dusty
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http://radicalguzzi.com/home
These guys are claiming 180 Hp and 200 Nm of torque from their 1700cc Guzzi. As the old racers say, there's no replacement for displacement.
Mark, there are so many reasons, not only due to the actual efficiency of the motor, that those figures are impossible, but well, y'know, carry on.....
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Mark, there are so many reasons, not only due to the actual efficiency of the motor, that those figures are impossible, but well, y'know, carry on.....
I think the guy reading the dyno had dyslexia so the numbers and decimal points were juxtaposed.
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IN before the lock
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With the same engine and transmission, what�s the HP penalty between a chain drive, belt drive and shaft drive? Is it in the neighborhood of 12%, 10% and 18% respectively?
I�ve seen several 4 valve high revving v-twins double and even triple their stock figures. So what�s makes the 1400 so limiting and incapable of doing the same? Especially with the ability to add capacity and alter things like intake, exhaust, timing, cams, valve sizes, throttle bodies, fueling and combustion chamber dynamics etc etc etc.
The end HP and Trq figures are likely much more dependent on a persons money supply than it is on the design of the Guzzi 1400. At least that�s how it works with other v-twin mc engines. So, again, why wouldn�t what is being and has been done with other high revving engines not work with the Guzzi engine?
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It's in the head design. I'm not going to argue about it as it's pointless but just throwing money at something won't miraculously produce power.
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Yeah , except an f1 engine makes twice the specific output of a big old NASCAR V8 .
Dusty
Indeed, in the mid 90s Indycars using 2.65L turbocharged motors were putting out far more than 850hp , numbers were kept secret but many claimed they were in excess of 1000hp. Fast enough for lap speeds averaging over 240 mph!
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It's in the head design. I'm not going to argue about it as it's pointless but just throwing money at something won't miraculously produce power.
Thank you for that Pete. At least now I have something to look at and compare to the head design of similar motors that can be made to make big numbers. Ive heard from some excellent tuners/engine builders and even some owners that the head design of the Polaris Indian 111 is a limiting factor in that engine making big power as well. It runs flat at much over 3000 rpm. Youre right, with that design throwing too much money at it will have limited success.
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Making exaggerated horsepower claims is the norm when it comes to high dollar custom bikes. It's not nearly as impressive to list all the custom bits, and state the tuning has netted an extra eight horsepower.
I don't blame them, as horsepower numbers don't tell the full story and there are many who obsess over numbers and dyno charts.
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A late arrival on this thread, but I must say I like the look of the front part of it. Sort of "brutal". :thumb: Like a Munch Mammoth or a Jota.
Don't like those "nothing at the rear looks" anyway so that part doesn't spin my wheels.
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FWIW there is a write up on CycleWorld regarding to GT Motorcycle & its GTM-01
https://www.cycleworld.com/gt-motocycles-gtm-01-moto-guzzi-custom-is-fast-and-beautiful?con=TrueAnthem&dom=fb&src=SOC&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+New+Content+%28Feed%29&utm_content=5c019d1bfb138b000138ac29&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR2BZbeiBbPjbKRbnbYD0XghbQMLu1HQq25TTxjbJj0ZJhsZYubI8PvGqEU
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FWIW there is a write up on CycleWorld regarding to GT Motorcycle & its GTM-01
https://www.cycleworld.com/gt-motocycles-gtm-01-moto-guzzi-custom-is-fast-and-beautiful?con=TrueAnthem&dom=fb&src=SOC&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+New+Content+%28Feed%29&utm_content=5c019d1bfb138b000138ac29&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR2BZbeiBbPjbKRbnbYD0XghbQMLu1HQq25TTxjbJj0ZJhsZYubI8PvGqEU
A puff piece. They didn't weigh it. They didn't dyno it. They performed no instrumented testing. It was written by a friend of Todd's.
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I don't have anything to add about the bike, and neither did the article. I really wish old school monthly mags could make it, Cycle World has completely lost its way.
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It was written by a friend of Todd's.
Ah....didn't know this
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I'd spend my hypothetical $45K on an MGS01...
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I cannot fathom how they fall for this BS. Supercharged? 200 HP from an aircooler? Utter nonsense. Silly bike.
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I'd spend my hypothetical $45K on an MGS01...
Exactly. I wouldn't even think twice.
"Custom cam profiles and ECU tuning add nearly 65 horsepower..." Right.
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For the discriminating Guzzisti. :tongue:
https://www.cycleworld.com/gt-motocycles-gtm-01-moto-guzzi-custom-is-fast-and-beautiful?CMPID=ene120418
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While this is way cool, and all fine and dandy... :cool: :thumb: :smiley:.... if I personally had $45,000-$65,000 of disposable income to splurge on a motorcycle, it would not be this...(just sayin'...) :wink: :rolleyes: :shocked: :huh:
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I'd round out the collection....ahem. ....the herd. :grin:
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Forty five grand and it doesn't even have a rear fender? Sorry, I'm not into that style - it's rather ugly.
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Is it just me or is the riding position as uncomfortable as it looks. His arms are really bent. I prefer to have them a lot straighter. It would also have the rider positioned further back, which I personally think would give it a lot more balanced look.
Having said that, yes, I would accept it if someone stupid philanthropic enough gave me one. :grin:
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90k if you want the other half too.
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Alternative: https://radicalguzzi.com/radical_guzzis_moto_guzzi_mgr_1200
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Finally, a Sport Guzzi. 1400cc, 140 hp, 400 lb, 155 mph
https://gtmotocycles.com/pages/builds
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Lowryter. Be prepared for the poopors, naysayers and people calling bullshit. Personally I have seen the bike and the Dyno sheets. This is not a 1400 that’s in the California and other 1400 models. It’s using ported 1200 heads, high compression pistons, custom cams and exhaust and intake. The whole motor is balanced. I find it pretty amusing that the some of the “experts” here will call bullshit on GuzziTech build but don’t bat an eye in excepting a higher HP and torque claims from a 4 Valve twin of another brand. I don’t get why it is difficult to accept that a mid eighties 2 valve Lemans motor could reliably make 100 HP but a modern Guzzi 1400 4 valve that is modified cannot make 140 HP.
Todd at GuzziTech has put a lot of time and development into the bike and it is a beauty build.
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I appreciate some of the info provided GH. I wondered the source of the engine and the mods done to it. I really didn't have any doubts about it since it came from Todd.
Pretty neat it's in a beefed up Tonti frame but I would like to have that engine in my Greenie.
Holy moly! :evil:
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It's missing it's butt. Where is the back end? Tires especially rear tires do not excite me. The rest of it is stunning. Every time I see a bike with it's back end missing revealing nothing but the tire and its rear drive I shake my head no matter what make or custom make it is. This is art and I think someone forgot to finish the painting by leaving off the rear patina.
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Lowryter. Be prepared for the poopors, naysayers and people calling bullshit. Personally I have seen the bike and the Dyno sheets. This is not a 1400 that’s in the California and other 1400 models. It’s using ported 1200 heads, high compression pistons, custom cams and exhaust and intake. The whole motor is balanced. I find it pretty amusing that the some of the “experts” here will call bullshit on GuzziTech build but don’t bat an eye in excepting a higher HP and torque claims from a 4 Valve twin of another brand. I don’t get why it is difficult to accept that a mid eighties 2 valve Lemans motor could reliably make 100 HP but a modern Guzzi 1400 4 valve that is modified cannot make 140 HP.
Todd at GuzziTech has put a lot of time and development into the bike and it is a beauty build.
If you don't understand or care about how the 8V works or what limits it the sky is the limit but carry on, it's your money.
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Wheres the beating a dead horse emoji when you need it?
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man, I think I should just set my laptop on fire
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I am in the same camp as Redrider 90... Where is its butt? There are so many ways to design a sexy rear end, why leave that undone? Reminds me of a bobcat. :grin:
Rick.
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I don’t know how you could have missed it John?
It was a pretty recent thread, it went on for days on end. It was a good one if you like two sides arguing politics! I fell on the nonbeliever side myself, but I’d love to see some independent specs.
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A mid 80s, sub 1000cc two valve motor making a reliable 100hp at the wheel???
That sounds like someone’s doing a few to many lines.
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Does it cost more if I ask for the other half..?
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Just add fairy dust ...
Dusty
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I don’t know how you could have missed it John?
It was a pretty recent thread, it went on for days on end. It was a good one if you like two sides arguing politics! I fell on the nonbeliever side myself, but I’d love to see some independent specs.
OK, sorry to drag up an old thread. Don't think I ever saw this thread (or had forgotten it) since I was out of the country in Sept when it was first posted.
I am pouring lighter fluid on my laptop now............. :violent1:
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A mid 80s, sub 1000cc two valve motor making a reliable 100hp at the wheel???
That sounds like someone’s doing a few to many lines.
Look up the bikes that Dr John built and endurance raced in the mid 80s. I believe that his 2 valve Lemans modified was making about 100 hp and was very reliable in race conditions. Bill Ross land speed 2 valve modified racer has many runs on it and has not failed. Just two that I know of.
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Okay, maybe I can give you that, for race conditions. But how often was Dr. John tearing down those motors for overhaul? I don’t know, but some body here surely does, I have to think they didn’t go more than 4-5 races without out some sort of tear down?
I’m talking every day drivability, maybe some head work around 80,000 reliability!
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Lowryter. Be prepared for the poopors, naysayers and people calling bullshit. Personally I have seen the bike and the Dyno sheets. This is not a 1400 that’s in the California and other 1400 models. It’s using ported 1200 heads, high compression pistons, custom cams and exhaust and intake. The whole motor is balanced. I find it pretty amusing that the some of the “experts” here will call bullshit on GuzziTech build but don’t bat an eye in excepting a higher HP and torque claims from a 4 Valve twin of another brand. I don’t get why it is difficult to accept that a mid eighties 2 valve Lemans motor could reliably make 100 HP but a modern Guzzi 1400 4 valve that is modified cannot make 140 HP.
Todd at GuzziTech has put a lot of time and development into the bike and it is a beauty build.
You must be the only person who's been allowed to see the dyno results. If the sheets really say the bike has 140hp at the wheel, I suspect that a stock V7 on the same dyno would show 75-80hp.
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I think the visual design is not good - the "old" V7 tank does not fit to the rear at all.
It needs a flat design e.g. a Griso tank.
The price is ridiculous.
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Well, one thing is a fact; Todd has built something that has gotten people talking. Credit where credit's due.
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It's been most entertaining to say the least.
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Look up the bikes that Dr John built and endurance raced in the mid 80s. I believe that his 2 valve Lemans modified was making about 100 hp and was very reliable in race conditions. Bill Ross land speed 2 valve modified racer has many runs on it and has not failed. Just two that I know of.
The bike he won Daytona with was a Daytona 1000 4 valve prototype from the factory and it had 95hp. His two valve race bikes didn't have 100hp at the wheel. The MGS-01 had 120 at the crank, which is about 100hp to the wheel from 1,225cc. A Griso 8 valve has about 90hp at the rear wheel. There's just no way you can go from 1150 to 1400cc with a Griso engine and gain 50hp. No amount of ECU trickery is going to net a 50hp gain with a 250cc bump in displacement. Not with a cam. Not with an obnoxious exhaust. Not with an ECU map.
If his claim was 140 at the crank from 1400cc, I could believe that. It would be almost 120 to the wheel. That would be impressive but relatively credible.
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The bike he won Daytona with was a Daytona 1000 4 valve prototype from the factory and it had 95hp. His two valve race bikes didn't have 100hp at the wheel. The MGS-01 had 120 at the crank, which is about 100hp to the wheel from 1,225cc.
The 140 RWHP figure for so bike is clearly nonsense but I think your numbers for the other bikes are a little low: an A-kit '93 Daytona or Centauro makes about 93 RWHP and a world-spec C-kit RS (stock engine) makes about 102 RWHP. I'd expect that Todero's prototype engine in the Dr John Daytona made well over 100 RWHP. The MGS-01s made considerably more than that due to roughly 20% greater displacement and some additional development work. My weak memory says the 120 HP number may have been at the rear wheel, which would be proportional to the displacement increase.
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The 140 RWHP figure for so bike is clearly nonsense but I think your numbers for the other bikes are a little low: an A-kit '93 Daytona or Centauro makes about 93 RWHP and a world-spec C-kit RS (stock engine) makes about 102 RWHP. I'd expect that Todero's prototype engine in the Dr John Daytona made well over 100 RWHP. The MGS-01s made considerably more than that due to roughly 20% greater displacement and some additional development work. My weak memory says the 120 HP number may have been at the rear wheel, which would be proportional to the displacement increase.
Power increases are never proportional to a displacement increase without additional factors. They're even less proportional when you have two giant cylinders rather than 4 or 6.
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A stock street tune C-kit 992 cc Daytona RS makes 102 RWHP, as delivered in markets other than the US and Switzerland etc. An MGS-01 that has over 20% more displacement and was delivered in race tune will obviously make substantially more than 100 RWHP.
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is there any documentation regarding the internals of the engine? Are the reciprocating parts lighter and balanced? Heads, valves and cams changes? Has the redline been upped?
With a high twin cam design, it's possible to get it to run more rpms.
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is there any documentation regarding the internals of the engine? Are the reciprocating parts lighter and balanced? Heads, valves and cams changes? Has the redline been upped?
With a high twin cam design, it's possible to get it to run more rpms.
My understanding is that Todd is using the 1380cc heads, custom cams, dual throttle bodies, higher compression, and 8,750rpm to get his number. At least that was what was posted early on for his build.
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My understanding is that Todd is using the 1380cc heads, custom cams, dual throttle bodies, higher compression, and 8,750rpm to get his number. At least that was what was posted early on for his build.
So, another 2k RPMs, better breathing and compression? I'd imagine he'd gain some power numbers.
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https://www.cycleworld.com/gt-motocycles-gtm-01-moto-guzzi-custom-is-fast-and-beautiful
In that article for Cycle World, 11/30/18, it lists some specs:
"Eagan claims 140-plus hp and 115-plus pound-feet of torque from the 90-degree, eight-valve V-twin that began its life as a 1,151cc Griso powerplant. Custom cam profiles and ECU tuning add nearly 65 hp and 40 pound-feet of torque over the stock unit as the entire system breathes and exhales through a short Y-pipe intake and GTM X-Fire exhaust system. Beautiful and functional."
FWIW, the author claims to be a Guzzi convert from his test ride of this machine.
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can't afford it, glad I don't like it. chances are he's aiming for clients that don't visit this forum or do their own wrenching and they like to use the word, "bespoke". Good luck on the build, he does do a great deal of work on Guzzi's and many folks are very happy with his products. I've purchased some small items from him and I'm glad he's out there doing stuff for Guzzi.
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If I was going to spend a lot of money on a high dollar MG, it would be on this bike.
https://raresportbikesforsale.com/featured-listing-2004-moto-guzzi-mgs-01-corsa/?fbclid=IwAR08x6o04P5bVoElE1b4EIkmqvk5A6aMCFuR1h29vP9IqoWQ_PgUCzw7lOE
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So with nothing better to do I've read a few threads on getting more out of the 8v motor (not sure why but anyway):
Beetle dyno'd at 100hp and 80 ft lbs with his Griso 14.
A customer of Todd's with a Cal 1400 got 100hp with fueling and pipes.
The "Radical Guzzi" 1380cc build dyno'd at 118hp and 100 ft lbs corrected for Denver (5,500ft). Stelvio motor with 1,380cc heads and cams, carbs and electronic ignition.
Splitting difference, I'd say you could reasonably expect to get 110hp and 90 ft lbs out of a 8v/1,380cc conversion depending on location, dyno and tuning preferences. So Todd has to get 25% more hp out of his "magic potion" that includes higher compression and higher revs.
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Appears to me the bulk of the back and forth discussion on this topic is about HP. Who cares what someone claims? I know that I don't.
That said, I will tell you that I dyno'd my X21 having 231 HP. Believing it or not is up to you. Nothing more will change in your life based on my claim :evil:
Maybe time to move on. FWIW, I hope he sells a semi-truck load of them. Anyone going Guzzi, regardless of the Guzzi or where it came from is a win in my book. We need more riders of our brand.
Disclaimer: I do not know Todd. Never met him. Never spoken with him. Couldn't tell you who he was in a lineup of 2 people. But, he is doing no harm whatsoever to the brand.
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The 140 RWHP figure for so bike is clearly nonsense but I think your numbers for the other bikes are a little low: an A-kit '93 Daytona or Centauro makes about 93 RWHP and a world-spec C-kit RS (stock engine) makes about 102 RWHP. I'd expect that Todero's prototype engine in the Dr John Daytona made well over 100 RWHP. The MGS-01s made considerably more than that due to roughly 20% greater displacement and some additional development work. My weak memory says the 120 HP number may have been at the rear wheel, which would be proportional to the displacement increase.
The RACECO 1288 Daytona’s maxed out at 140/145hp. The bloke that programmed the efi on mine ended up getting work with a race team (4 wheels). I was told by the new owner that the 1288 made his MGS01 feel like a postie scooter.
These were pretty extreme explorations rather than some head Work!
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Can't we just tell the truth ?
Ugly as a hatful of arseholes..! It doesn't matter how big it's calculated power figure is...
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Appears to me the bulk of the back and forth discussion on this topic is about HP. Who cares what someone claims? I know that I don't.
That said, I will tell you that I dyno'd my X21 having 231 HP. Believing it or not is up to you. Nothing more will change in your life based on my claim :evil:
Maybe time to move on. FWIW, I hope he sells a semi-truck load of them. Anyone going Guzzi, regardless of the Guzzi or where it came from is a win in my book. We need more riders of our brand.
Disclaimer: I do not know Todd. Never met him. Never spoken with him. Couldn't tell you who he was in a lineup of 2 people. But, he is doing no harm whatsoever to the brand.
I don't recall anyone decrying the fact that something new from "Guzzi" is being foisted on the buying public.
I get the feeling that it's the non factual claims being used to bolster the perceived desirability of the half baked concoction that irks those who are knowledgable enough to see the deceit..
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I don't recall anyone decrying the fact that something new from "Guzzi" is being foisted on the buying public.
I get the feeling that it's the non factual claims being used to bolster the perceived desirability of the half baked concoction that irks those who are knowledgable enough to see the deceit..
Eggs-attlee. That is my issue with it. I actually think it's pretty cool and if the bike had a 3-6" longer tail section and dual seat it would look great. I also think it would be a blast to ride. You'd be deaf after an hour or so from the exhaust(or lack of one) but it would be fun until then.
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Can't we just tell the truth ?
Ugly as a hatful of arseholes..! It doesn't matter how big it's calculated power figure is...
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His mouth looks like Pete's pet emu on another thread..!
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Huzo- better than damn killer bird!
I don't think I'd stroll around down there without 12 ga in my hands. I even remember the thread about the crazy neighbors much less the snakes, dogs and killer birds. I understand the whole place was settled as a prison- it sounds as bad as Oklahoma which was home to all the outlaws (James Boys, Belle Starr, Dalton's, Pretty Boy Floyd, even John Wilkes Booth). :evil:
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Huzo- better than damn killer bird!
I don't think I'd stroll around down there without 12 ga in my hands. I even remember the thread about the crazy neighbors much less the snakes, dogs and killer birds. I understand the whole place was settled as a prison- it sounds as bad as Oklahoma which was home to all the outlaws (James Boys, Belle Starr, Dalton's, Pretty Boy Floyd, even John Wilkes Booth). :evil:
Damn right.
I have never had a confrontational encounter with one, but when up around Daintree and such in the sub tropics, I have seen them wandering.
They are barrel chested things, with a body like a 44 gallonn drum...!
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Custom bikes always bring out the armchair builders.
I'd build it this way.
I'd have done this.
I wouldn't have done that.
I'm calling bullshit on X claims.
Why did they build it the way they did? The way I like bikes is the right way.
Not to mention, seems like anything GT on this board is simply gonna get shit on. Hell, he could be doing straight restos, and someone's gonna crap on it.
Here's the thing... not everything is built "for you". Why is the rear end the way it is? Because that's the way people like them today. He's building for a modern market, and the guys that want single purpose, stylish machines will eat that thing up. There are an awful lot of people that want stylish, good looking, go fast machines for nothing more than... oddly enough... looking good and going fast.
As for power? If he's full of it, it'll come out in the wash. If not... anyone here that's calling him on it going to admit they were wrong?
Now, someone's gonna come by, and ironically tell me that my opinion about their opinion isn't a valid opinion, and how I should lighten up, because it's a public forum and that's just how it is.
I dunno. This whole WG vs GT shit rubs me the wrong way, both ways. It all feels so very... high school.
well we dont have a like button but if we did.....
I think it looks cool as hell, I would love to have one.
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I've met Todd and spent time with him in Cali. He's a relatively young generation who is personable, nice and loves Guzzi.
I don't agree with everything he does, however.
On the 1400 Custom he is showing, I think it would look much better with a tail end. I've never liked these bob-tailed, exposed rear wheel iteration of bikes.
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In defense of the bike, it’s not meant for any of us. This is a generalization, but the type of person who participates on this forum is not going to buy one, so why would he make them to your style? Even if it had a tail, bag mounts and a Windgamer you’re not going to pluck down the cash it takes to play at this level.
I hope he sells a bunch, it’s good for him and Guzzi too.
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In defense of the bike, it’s not meant for any of us. This is a generalization, but the type of person who participates on this forum is not going to buy one, so why would he make them to your style? Even if it had a tail, bag mounts and a Windgamer you’re not going to pluck down the cash it takes to play at this level.
I hope he sells a bunch, it’s good for him and Guzzi too.
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In defense of the bike, it’s not meant for any of us. This is a generalization, but the type of person who participates on this forum is not going to buy one, so why would he make them to your style? Even if it had a tail, bag mounts and a Windgamer you’re not going to pluck down the cash it takes to play at this level.
I hope he sells a bunch, it’s good for him and Guzzi too.
Oh I completely agree. I like Todd's site and wish him well on this and hopefully many other builds. It's clearly not meant for me but he's in the capital of the customs world and there are probably plenty of buyers out there for these bikes.
It's the technical issue of how he's going to get to 140rwhp out of a 1,380cc naturally aspirated, air cooled twin that intrigues me. With the stock 1400 heads I think he can get to 110hp fairly easily, and the guy in Colorado got close to 120hp with that plus cams. Getting another 20% on top of those mods is a tall order. S&S can get HD motors to close to 160hp but that's with 124ci, and there's never a replacement for displacement!
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Oh I completely agree. I like Todd's site and wish him well on this and hopefully many other builds. It's clearly not meant for me but he's in the capital of the customs world and there are probably plenty of buyers out there for these bikes.
It's the technical issue of how he's going to get to 140rwhp out of a 1,380cc naturally aspirated, air cooled twin that intrigues me. With the stock 1400 heads I think he can get to 110hp fairly easily, and the guy in Colorado got close to 120hp with that plus cams. Getting another 20% on top of those mods is a tall order. S&S can get HD motors to close to 160hp but that's with 124ci, and there's never a replacement for displacement!
There's always RPMs.
And if that ain't enough, boost.
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I received an email from Todd Egan, saying the GTM-02 would be at the Hand Built show in Austin during MotoGP weekend.
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Our custom builds have been consuming us, but we managed to spend some time with Miguel Galluzzi at the Piaggio Advanced Design Center in Pasadena, CA and got some fascinating intel on what the future of Guzzi beholds. We’ll fill you in as we go. Our first build, GTM-01 was well received at The One Show in Portland, and we received special recognition on stage from Rev’it Apparel/Rizoma & Nexx Helmets. We are excited to show off the newest of our in-house built trellis GTM-02 Series in Austin, Texas at the Handbuilt Show in April, which will also highlight our “Ride a CARC Guzzi in, and a GTM build out” program. We hope to meet some new faces there.
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As many have mentioned, the overall style particularly the front of the GTM01 is a work of art. The rear leaves me cold. Not a fan of this trend of @$$less motorcycles. I too think the HP#'s are wildly optimistic, but Todd has clearly said that serious buyers $$deposit) can see the dyno sheet..........
I'm not a huge GT fan and am dissapointed to see his business model and myopic censorship on his site, but you cant argue with his contribution to the overall brand. My $$ is better spent elsewhere, but I wish him luck.
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Todd has clearly said that serious buyers $$deposit) can see the dyno sheet..........
Are you kidding me? You have to put down a deposit on something you can't touch, ride or sit on just to see a dyno sheet? Wow. So much for transparency. :rolleyes: If I was creating that bike, I'd showcase the dyno report all over the web. Heck, I'd video it doing the dyno and make sure the camera never cut away. That's the best way to prove you did something and to generate sales.
Good luck with that.
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I can't blame the guy. If my work was being picked apart and bitched about on the internet, I wouldn't share any data either. I can't imagine how many requests/ demands he is getting for dyno sheets.
This thread alone is more than enough reason for Todd to have a get F**'d attitude. Not taking a side, but I can understand it.
A nice sales feature would be a Dyno sheet for each bike at time of delivery ( if it gets to that point. )
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I can't blame the guy. If my work was being picked apart and bitched about on the internet, I wouldn't share any data either. I can't imagine how many requests/ demands he is getting for dyno sheets.
This thread alone is more than enough reason for Todd to have a get F**'d attitude. Not taking a side, but I can understand it.
A nice sales feature would be a Dyno sheet for each bike at time of delivery ( if it gets to that point. )
The way to stop criticism is to be transparent.
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Damn right.
I have never had a confrontational encounter with one, but when up around Daintree and such in the sub tropics, I have seen them wandering.
They are barrel chested things, with a body like a 44 gallonn drum...!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Vqs2ZOOirk
Much is said about our dangerous creatures but most are polite. These things are aggressive. They're sort of the true representation of us after a night on the rum :evil:
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Ran across this in some cycle/rider/world/hiphop jam spam in my emails-
https://www.motorcyclecruiser.com/guzzitech-unveils-gtm02?cmpid=ene20190414&utm_source=internal&utm_medium=email&cid=55633&mid=493948227
Not my particular cup of tea, but it's nice to see a niche market for CARC bike customization.
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Once I reached the line about him using "longitudal" Guzzi Vtwin driveline in the teaser, it didn't make me want to click here to read the rest of the article.....
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Once I reached the line about him using "longitudal" Guzzi Vtwin driveline in the teaser, it didn't make me want to click here to read the rest of the article.....
I clicked on the link, and Todd does spell "longitudinal" correctly.
It's an odd thing. Years ago, the Guzzi V2 engine was routinely called "longitudinal" which follows the established convention of using the crankshaft as the basis. The V8 in a Ford Mustang is Longitudinal, while the V8 in the Guzzi racer was Transverse. The Honda V4 in the ST is Longitudinal while the V4 in all the chain bikes is Transverse. The crank in a Guzzi V2 is Longitudinal, and so, therefore, is the engine.
But somewhere along the line, people referred to the Guzzi engine in relation to a Harley layout, and instead of saying Transverse-Cylinder, they called it Transverse. Even Guzzi in their recent ads uses that term even though they used to call it Longitudinal.
So, I guess we just need to add the words "Crankshaft" or "Cylinder" to whichever term we prefer, and all will be well.
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If you pay a bit more, will he sell you the back half as well ?
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If you pay a bit more, will he sell you the back half as well ?
How much back half do you need to ride to the Rock Store and park it?
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Ran across this in some cycle/rider/world/hiphop jam spam in my emails-
https://www.motorcyclecruiser.com/guzzitech-unveils-gtm02?cmpid=ene20190414&utm_source=internal&utm_medium=email&cid=55633&mid=493948227
Not my particular cup of tea, but it's nice to see a niche market for CARC bike customization.
Todd cannot get his fueling kit right, how the hell he would be able to develop and produce entire bike right. Another nonsense produced by him thanks to support from idiots like me. If you have few spare minutes read this:
https://advrider.com/f/threads/moto-guzzi-california-1400.841205/page-32
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When I was trying to dial in my '09 Calvin, I bought some things from Todd - H pipe and Power Commander. The PC was useless, and he refunded me the money. Finally had him reflash the ECU and all was good. Bought the sump spacer for my V7 from him too.
He always did right by me.
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Todd did a really good job of refueling my CalVin as well when I had it. I was always happy with whatever work he did on my bikes. I don't know why there's often such Todd bashing on this site.
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Todd hand delivered a set of brake rotors to me at an AZ Guzzi rally quite a few years ago. He brought them in his tank bag. He also offered to let me ride his tricked out Jackal. Seems like a good guy to me.
Rich
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Nice frame, and not at all what I thought.
(https://www.motorcyclecruiser.com/guzzitech-unveils-gtm02?cmpid=ene20190414&utm_source=internal&utm_medium=email&cid=55633&mid=493948227)
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Seems like a good guy to me.
Yep. I've known/dealt with Todd for years. He's always treated me like family.
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Todd and GuzziTech are friends of WildGuzzi, and the Guzzi community.
Be mindful of the WildGuzzi rules about dealers.
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I like Todd, and have had nothing but good dealings with him. I can imagine it isn't easy having a small custom bike shop in California. I also know it takes balls to make anything custom in this world. I was at his shop last month, and he showed me a new FI ECU he was testing which totally trims out a bike based on a few initial inputs. It literally writes the map as you go. You give it a few starting parameters, and the more you run it, the more data it collects and the better your map gets. For someone that feels burned, you may not feel like jumping back in, but it does looks like the solution to fueling for some of his more exotic 1400 builds.
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I saw the bike at the Handbuilt Show in Austin last Sunday. Nice looking bike. The butt is kinda brief. The bike didn't move me. He is asking a lot for his creation. It's worth it to some one. Guzzi needs him and his bikes. Just like Guzzi needed Dr, John. Todd moves the Guzzi needle forward. Guzzi/Aprilia aren't doing enough for their brand. I hope Todd sells a bunch of them.
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Just like Guzzi needed Dr, John. Todd moves the Guzzi needle forward.
I think that’s a ludicrous comparison, based on both the motorcycles and personalities involved.
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I like Todd, and have had nothing but good dealings with him. I can imagine it isn't easy having a small custom bike shop in California. I also know it takes balls to make anything custom in this world. I was at his shop last month, and he showed me a new FI ECU he was testing which totally trims out a bike based on a few initial inputs. It literally writes the map as you go. You give it a few starting parameters, and the more you run it, the more data it collects and the better your map gets. For someone that feels burned, you may not feel like jumping back in, but it does looks like the solution to fueling for some of his more exotic 1400 builds.
Didn’t Dynojet come out with Autotune ten years ago?
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Didn’t Dynojet come out with Autotune ten years ago?
Todd was the guy that got Dynojet to support Guzzis.
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Didn’t Dynojet come out with Autotune ten years ago?
Not even close. the autotune was an add on. Limited in range. What he showed me replaced the ECU entirely.
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I know the bobber versions are controversial but I like the GTM02.2 the best so far. That red is so gorgeous in person. I do like the traditional style of the GMT02 that has a more cafe style seat though.
This GTM02.2 had a really cool build in LED light setup in the seat which was stunning too. The red the photos doesn't do justice to it in person.
(https://i.ibb.co/DRRLysD/qlcIFmr.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DRRLysD)
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I'd venture to guess that if you were to pony up the cash for one of these, you could get any kind of banana seat you want.
I'll take a king queen seat with a diamond pattern tuck in crushed red velvet. :grin:
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I know the bobber versions are controversial but I like the GTM02.2 the best so far. That red is so gorgeous in person. I do like the traditional style of the GMT02 that has a more cafe style seat though.
Did you sit on it? That seat looks...interesting ...
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Just imagine...
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/t70AAOSwNSxVIdpl/s-l300.jpg)
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Just imagine...
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/t70AAOSwNSxVIdpl/s-l300.jpg)
That baby and a 'Jammer, and you'd be ready to rock.
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Did you sit on it? That seat looks...interesting ...
I did not. I don't think you can or are supposed to at the OG Motoshow. The seat is definitely not for me, but I will say it (the seat) was beautiful in person just based on stitching and the way the LEDs were incorporated and how it fell into the tank. But couldn't tell you how it feels.
I'd venture to guess that if you were to pony up the cash for one of these, you could get any kind of banana seat you want.
I'll take a king queen seat with a diamond pattern tuck in crushed red velvet. :grin:
This I do know is very true because I asked about it.